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On June 22 2014 23:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
I hereby declare that I am no longer busy! I will first and foremost try to reread D2 and update all my reads.


My reads didn't really evolve much during the day, sadly. Because I was so stubborn and lacked time I kinda kept my reads exactly the same as they were N1. I explained during N1 that I was slightly suspicious of YKZ and that I was uncertain on mdergs alignment at the time but I was leaning town on him. This is obviously a very satisfying answer but thats why I voted mderg over YKZ.

On June 23 2014 15:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:


Here are my thoughts.

VE has deffo lied about his willingness to lynch mderg, and his reasons for doing so. The fact that he has taken credit for things is supremely annoying given how unhelpful he has been this game, but is not on its own imo indicative of scum. I agree that he has not driven / led the game like he has the potential to as a town player. He has carefully opted out of interactions with a player like me with well-timed "afks" and "anger" and thus has not stepped into a position of leadership as much as you would expect of him. The fake anger was also broken off as soon as it was clear it was no longer useful to him and making him look bad. The extra helpfulness is not in and of itself a towntell imo since he's not using that co-operation with me to really do anything. Where is he ever asking for my input on anything? In a universe where VE was town, even if he thinks I'm scum he'd try to keep me talking about what he wanted to talk about (as many people do; everyone asks me questions) and try to learn more about my motivations.

Lastly, it's obvious VE didn't actually want to vote mderg. His reasons about "who's on what wagon" obviously broke down, then he post-hoc rationalized that "sloosh was his rock" which is not the explanation he gave before.

On June 24 2014 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Did you read the entire thread before you made that vote or were you strapped for time? And why did you talk about "between snickers and VE" when the vote was never between those two?

SNIP

On June 23 2014 23:57 Snickers wrote:
I do not think i made a long post about your alignment. Day 2 I made a post mentioning I read you as town. Then I told release I still thought you were town but I would look into it. I knew people were calling you scum for voting the first time I read your filter. It is worries me that your asking me questions that take time when I am super busy, almost like you planned that. I did say I would not consolidate on you but I have already switch my consolidate post to I would not lynch Release, unless he did the biggest scum slip.

On June 23 2014 15:03 Snickers wrote:


Are you saying the bold is scummy because I do not really see it. Am i casting suspicion on you or on LazerMonkey?

If you want the truth to why I asked that i will tell you but I would rather wait till after the lynch since I think VE is getting it.

I will tell you why I asked the goodkarma thing though. I think you are a good player (as in knowledgeable not alignment) after reading multiple peoples' filters.

Also I will read your filter to see where this LazerMonkey vote came from. I think I remember something about his votes day two being brought up.

On June 23 2014 15:20 Snickers wrote:
Release and YKZ if you are still around. What do you make of the day one posts. Sloosh highlighted the alignment of players. I do not think all of mafia would of been on 27nb. So i think it is very likely that, not to call you out but release lazermonkey or ve is scum. So it is obvious i think Ve is the most likely out of the mentioned three. Release is most likely not. As with lazermonkey, I read his filter and I thought it looked townie, somebody just mentioned he was playing well day one then dropped off day two or vice versa.

So you most def do not want me to harp VE. If you have not yet, look at my post where I comment on where mderg says "honestly". I think mderg slipped so much with words it may have clued us in on other scum.

On June 23 2014 15:29 Snickers wrote:
Yea so Release is looking very town to me now. Day one votes I was saying it was scummy for him not to consolidate, but now that it has flipped mderg as mafia (or now that I am reading more clearly), it would mean mafia decided to not choose a defensive backing. It also made release look initially scummy. So I made quite the fallacy by putting release on the same level of scrutiny as Ve and LazerMonkey.

On June 23 2014 15:38 Snickers wrote:
At this point, let not forget the possibility that LazerMonkey and Ve are both scum. I feel like we are starting to say One or the other. So Ykz, you think his anger was weird, I think his plea of do not let YKZ let you think this way and do not talk yourself into thinking I am mafia was weird.

On June 23 2014 16:24 Snickers wrote:
I get you/lazer/ve as in the five people that did not vote 27nb was me you lazer ve and 27nb. Mderg voted 27nb so assuming that mafia do not vote together. Now I am not scum so I left me out of it. Left 27nb out because she flipped vt. So that left you/lazer/ve . I posted after that post how I think you should not be put on the same level as lazer/ve since they voted mderg while you voted YKZ.

My opinion on Lazer is that I went through his filter and I read him as town. I was not around when the final voting was happening so I am kinda confused on what happened. So far I have that Lazer did something very scummy last minute. It seems like a lot of people agree with it (more than two) so I just believe it was.

I should probably reread his filter because I only had him and Chezinu as just plain town (as in not good town or bad town). I can probably do better with LazerMonkey but probably not with Chezinu. I do not think it is possible to say chezinu is good or bad town just different.

On June 23 2014 18:58 Lazermonkey wrote:

I cannot speak for others but theese are my main issues with you:

-You say that Bunnies is "supertown" yet you do nothing to defend her once she is up the blocks.

-You make your case on mderg but have no follow up. You say that you think both mderg and YKZ is scum yet you ONLY push YKZ. Its like you want to keep both doors open insted of taking an active stance.

-You were one of the main components in the YKZ-wagon.

On June 23 2014 05:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
So after rereading almost all of D2-D3 I have come to the following conclusions.

YKZ is 110% town.
The remaining two scum are found among VE, SlOosh and Koshi. However, while I stated that SlOosh was my top scum a few posts ago I have changed my mind. I still do think SlOosh is suspicious but that has more to do with him pushing ALL the wrong wagons and putting up some quite weak reasoning for not voting mderg. He says that he doesn't like the wagon and he keeps saying that mdergs posts are "consistent" but he never explain what is so consistent with his posts.

Koshi is still a scum read of mine. Not really going to repeat why I think that though, just look at my filter.

My top scum read atm is Ve though. @Artanis and all other non-believers in VEs scumminess: VE sure made a case on mderg D1. But look at his follow-up to that case. Practically non-existant. And look at the vote count at time where VE left the thread:

An mderg lynch is highly unlikely at this point making his vote on mderg not risky at all.

Back to why VE is scum though: First off, we have the fact that VE drops case on mderg and puts a vote on him D1. But doesn't push him. And not only does he not push him. He does not try to defend Bunnies at all despite claiming that Bunnies was "supertown".

Not only that but also keeps mentioning how he has both YKZ and mderg as his top scum reads yet he only keeps pushing YKZ. Convinient, huh?

##Vote: VE

On June 23 2014 02:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
SlOosh

On June 23 2014 15:20 Release wrote:
VE has always been on of my candidates for mafia outside you. Although you disagree, I don' think he has done anything blatantly mafia and therefore he has only remained a candidate, and not worthy of a vote. Lazer on the other hand when I revisited his filter went from strong town Day 1 to useless D2 and D3, which pushes him ahead of VE, and snickers. I'll leave this here while I visit address your case.

On June 23 2014 08:32 Release wrote:

I find this really weird because I see neither a strong nor even a weak case for sloOsh in your filter. There's this gem (reponse to Koshi's "give me your top scumread") but I don't really see where this comes from. In fact since day2, you've been flip-flopping like a bass, a very mafia bass. It seems like SloOsh has just been thrown into that list for the sake of adding an extra town as a suspect. Makes me feel like Lazer is starting to grasp at straws.

On June 23 2014 15:20 Release wrote:
VE has always been on of my candidates for mafia outside you. Although you disagree, I don' think he has done anything blatantly mafia and therefore he has only remained a candidate, and not worthy of a vote. Lazer on the other hand when I revisited his filter went from strong town Day 1 to useless D2 and D3, which pushes him ahead of VE, and snickers. I'll leave this here while I visit address your case.

On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:

1) I was absent during the main pushes of her lynch. This is the least active day of mine and this is evident in the thread. I can't push something when I'm not looking at the thread, similarly I can't push /against/ something if I'm not looking at the thread.

2) There's followup. I give reasoning for thinking he's susupicious (you may not like the amount, but it's there) and I ask a couple of times where votes are/why people aren't voting. Pretty standard "I don't have time to actually push here, but I think you should be lynching X" stuff D1. On D2, I make a case (which Snickers will tell you is his case, but I made it not even knowing Snickers was SUSPICIOUS of mderg) and yes, I vote for BH. But my active, stated stance is "I like both of these lynches". That is explicit in my posts, that's the active stance I take. It's not that I don't WANT to make a choice between them, it's that I don't have to because I think they both scum.

3) This is true, and unless you think BH is like supertown (lol) then I don't know what the problem is.

Ultimately your case boils down to you don't like my playstyle, which is NOT news, we've had friction before I think. However if you're on my team this game, you should really move your vote off me and onto BH.

On June 24 2014 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) While this is true, it doesn't make me scum nor would I spend my posts doing this if I were scum. WIFOM or whatever, but I'm just sayin.

2) I don't think coming in and poking fun at the way BH is reacting to things a "big attempt". Basically it was just me coming into the thread and reaffirming that I was on the right lynch. I never made ANY attempt to pull votes OFF mderg, which is the tack you have to think I was going for, but that's not what I did and that's not the effect of my "push" on BH. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch both of them.

3) Okay I'll disregard because subjective.

LM if you're town you REALLY have to not vote for me here. I don't know if BH is scum, but I DO know that he's wrong about me. I'm town, and I THINK BH is scum. If I'm wrong whatever, that's fine. But I KNOW FOR A FACT that he's wrong about me and you should not lynch me.

On June 24 2014 02:13 Snickers wrote:
So ve is talking about activity but the main point is hid activity pushing the game forward or not doing anything or defending himself. He is saying day two was when he was least active and if memory serves me right , that was the day no one was voting him or the day where he was least likely to get lynched. Now it seems like he is just defending himself which release said is scummy.

Anyway Lazermonkey last time I'm saying something about this. All those posts I was saying you were town with the possibility of you being scum. I was saying lets not make associations like everyone hates and goes on a witch hunt for. Every person that has not flipped is possible for scum.

What is the case on sloosh? Did I misss something ? (Requesting four lines or less) . He and koshi are my top town reads.

On June 24 2014 03:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I agree that VE sounds pretty townie, but it's lacking in capslock. Capslock is VE's town seal.