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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 22 2014 07:58 YouKnowZhou wrote: Snickers is probably going to be targeted by... a cop check, or a vigi shot if for some reason we have one. But certainly not by scum. No, no no no no no. Snickers is town. Cop checks or vigi shots would be wasted on him. There are much much better targets. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On June 22 2014 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, no no no no no. Snickers is town. Cop checks or vigi shots would be wasted on him. There are much much better targets. Honestly, if people think I'm scum it would be better if the cop would check me, were it not for peoples' opinion of me. Since I claimed VT D1, though, I'm sure this request will result in noises from the usual suspects that I'm the Godfather and I chose VT or some other ridiculousness. Even if the cop claimed just before deadline and said "bh is green" or something and then got shot and flipped cop, people would still make noises that I'm playing some kind of really long game with all kinds of amazing plans that result in all this happening. In a way, I'm gratified that people think this of my scumgame, but it is at times annoying. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 22 2014 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, no no no no no. Snickers is town. Cop checks or vigi shots would be wasted on him. There are much much better targets. Honestly, if people think I'm scum it would be better if the cop would check me, were it not for peoples' opinion of me. Since I claimed VT D1, though, I'm sure this request will result in noises from the usual suspects that I'm the Godfather and I chose VT or some other ridiculousness. Even if the cop claimed just before deadline and said "bh is green" or something and then got shot and flipped cop, people would still make noises that I'm playing some kind of really long game with all kinds of amazing plans that result in all this happening. In a way, I'm gratified that people think this of my scumgame, but it is at times annoying. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:10 YouKnowZhou wrote: Honestly, if people think I'm scum it would be better if the cop would check me, were it not for peoples' opinion of me. Since I claimed VT D1, though, I'm sure this request will result in noises from the usual suspects that I'm the Godfather and I chose VT or some other ridiculousness. Even if the cop claimed just before deadline and said "bh is green" or something and then got shot and flipped cop, people would still make noises that I'm playing some kind of really long game with all kinds of amazing plans that result in all this happening. In a way, I'm gratified that people think this of my scumgame, but it is at times annoying. This from a guy who touts his own scum game as "GODLY". Maybe that pass was premature, considering you've spent all day doing exactly what I requested you not do. You can be next brah, I don't mind. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. What Koshi said is slightly confusing so one of you please explain like I'm 5. The way that Koshi explains it, it sounds like BH is Mderg's mafia teammate? + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 21:53 Snickers wrote: I did not call him out first (two people did before me) but I think I was the first person to do a passable analysis on him rather than just say "the above post if filled with scum. therefore my vote is ......" Replying to release here. Yea i still do not have a definition of ban wagon. I think one of the criteria is to not show new scummy points in a player and just vote for them with the ones already out. Never voted for 27nb and voted for mderg after giving new information. Also I was the first person to vote mderg and stay with it all day one. I was in class but i had a 15 minute break to at least read a few posts and change my vote. Yesterday i had work. I was still wanting to vote mderg but i saw no support after day one lynch. So i consolidated my post just like day one. I think maybe you think i am ban wagoning because i consolidate early, but I have been busy around vote times. Guess what, Sunday i have work so it will be like yesterday. Wednesday I have class if this game is still going by then. Also this needs to be said. VE was not telling me not to vote mderg because of how many mislynches he did from "bad town play". That was LazerMonkey. I saw people were thinking he may be scummy and he also understand this. The point is quickly becoming moot (and we are displeasing the Artanis) so I will leave with this: I still find you suspicious. Afk day 2 is the key recent point. However, considering only 2 mafia left, I think that YKZ and Lazer(pending Artanis/Koshi confirmed town explanation), are more suspicious at this moment. I agree with what SloOsh says about Lazer, except that I think Lazer played a very good Day 1, and a somewhat decent Day 2 that went to trash at the end. YKZ makes another promise so I'll think I'll wait to form a more firm opinion for now. For my reads, not too much has changed except Lazer has climbed into mafia candidate territory, VE is also slowly climbing back into mafia candidate territory, and Snickers has climbed out a little bit. YKZ remains. A lot of this still pending explanations. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
1. Lazermonkey is probably not scum for his vote on me at the deadline. My arguments are here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22414143 but basically it boils down to the fact that scum have nothing to gain from this move. His last minute vote doesn't further a scum agenda. Now, the alternative is that it reveals a scum mindset, but I don't see that either. As scum you don't feel a need to make a last-minute vote that's literally of no consequence. Town may feel an irrational need to "consolidate" even if it does nothing, and I think that explains his motivations better. Remember, there's almost NO time between his vote and the deadline, I was barely barely able to sneak in a post saying that if his vote hammered me, he should be read into. But his vote didn't hammer me, couldn't have hammered me, and could have only looked bad. 2. Koshi should not be lynched during D2, probably. His reads in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=40#790 are fairly crappy but look at what he's doing. He's analyzing Lazermo's vote pattern. His read on sloosh isn't great but taking time to talk about inconsistencies in of all things, consolidation, indicates to me that Koshi is making an effort at trying to understand Lazermo. Reading this post made me say "lazermonkey is probably not scum" instead of "lazermonkey is not scum" in the previous paragraph. That and his interaction with Lazermo during D2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=30#599 make me think that he is in fact genuinely trying to figure out the game. I don't like that his filter doesn't have a hyooj amount of content but people trying to lynch Koshi should be aware there are more likelty targers. 3. VE should not be left off the hook. Remember, during the time when I was trying to get in a last set of reads (sorta) before getting lynched, when I was chipping in an we were having real discussion? Suddenly, VE is "angry" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=33#651 and afks until right before the deadline. I explain how VE's actions during the last few hours of D2 are pretty clearly scum-motivated here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=38#758 . His response is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=39#762 Take a look at how he responds. He talks about sloosh looking good, and leaves out the fact that I have had to prod him multiple times over everything, doesn't address the fact that his reasoning was that he liked Sloosh and Release on my wagon, and disliked snickers and me on mderg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=37#721 Remember, later on, when VE is in the thread, Release, one of the two guys he likes, is on mderg, and Snickers, one of the guys he doesn't like, is on me. So, he changes his explantion to "sloosh was my rock", which is NOT the explanation he was using during the lynch (again, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=37#721). It is, however, more convenient, just like VE's fake anger (until he got called out for it and realized I was being super reasonable), or VE's afking right after I start engaging my thread, up until riight before the deadline. In fact, it's also interesting that he tries to shut down snickers' posting here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=39#766 but hey, dont' worry guys, after he gets called out, half an hour later VE says it was a joke. Of course, I don't see ANYTHING joking about that read at all, so I guess I'm missing something, but it's awfully convenient http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22411055. Also, note that VE was pretending to be mad at me up until he realized it was looking bad, then decided to stop being mad at me just long enough to address the case I made against him. All these convenient afks, fake anger, and convenient "jokes" telling people to stop engaging the thread are all things that VE has tried to brush off, but this coupled with VE's low contribution amount this game (don't look at his filter size-- even though he has 3 pages he has spent a lot of it being afk or pretending to be mad at me) it's basically clear he's scum. 4. not snickers, ve first sorry out of time | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:56 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. What Koshi said is slightly confusing so one of you please explain like I'm 5. The way that Koshi explains it, it sounds like BH is Mderg's mafia teammate? + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 21:53 Snickers wrote: I did not call him out first (two people did before me) but I think I was the first person to do a passable analysis on him rather than just say "the above post if filled with scum. therefore my vote is ......" Replying to release here. Yea i still do not have a definition of ban wagon. I think one of the criteria is to not show new scummy points in a player and just vote for them with the ones already out. Never voted for 27nb and voted for mderg after giving new information. Also I was the first person to vote mderg and stay with it all day one. I was in class but i had a 15 minute break to at least read a few posts and change my vote. Yesterday i had work. I was still wanting to vote mderg but i saw no support after day one lynch. So i consolidated my post just like day one. I think maybe you think i am ban wagoning because i consolidate early, but I have been busy around vote times. Guess what, Sunday i have work so it will be like yesterday. Wednesday I have class if this game is still going by then. Also this needs to be said. VE was not telling me not to vote mderg because of how many mislynches he did from "bad town play". That was LazerMonkey. I saw people were thinking he may be scummy and he also understand this. The point is quickly becoming moot (and we are displeasing the Artanis) so I will leave with this: I still find you suspicious. Afk day 2 is the key recent point. However, considering only 2 mafia left, I think that YKZ and Lazer(pending Artanis/Koshi confirmed town explanation), are more suspicious at this moment. I agree with what SloOsh says about Lazer, except that I think Lazer played a very good Day 1, and a somewhat decent Day 2 that went to trash at the end. YKZ makes another promise so I'll think I'll wait to form a more firm opinion for now. For my reads, not too much has changed except Lazer has climbed into mafia candidate territory, VE is also slowly climbing back into mafia candidate territory, and Snickers has climbed out a little bit. YKZ remains. A lot of this still pending explanations. lol. A "little bit" damn this guy is not even trying to annoying like chezinu and YKZ but he still is. Also I did not afk day two. I afked 3 in a half hours before vote cause i had work. I was here just did not contribute a lot. Not much was posted before I had to go to work. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: In fact if a vigi wants to shoot me that would really help out town a lot probably because I'm so stupid and scummy. oh how martyr, how too late, clearly VE scum | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:53 VisceraEyes wrote: This from a guy who touts his own scum game as "GODLY". Maybe that pass was premature, considering you've spent all day doing exactly what I requested you not do. You can be next brah, I don't mind. I remember the first time I played with BH. He was mafia and broke the Chezinu Rule. He pretty much started the rule. He couldn't even get Chezinu lynched. He got lynched btw. Unfortunately, it wasn't day one.. actually I'm a bit fuzzy on my fragmented memories..Top line, Chez win and BH broke the Chez Rule, which means he lost and got lynched before Chezinu Rule was made public. PS: I didn't realize mderg broke the Chezinu Rule earlier.. I wasn't really reading the thread. I thought everyone loved me and failed to see his evil remark about me. Only scum think I'm confusing. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
IF not, THEN KEEP ME ALIVE!!! | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Day 3 Some of you folk tried to have some chill time. Gramophones up, vinyl on, chill time aboard. Shivers down the spine, hair dancing danse macabre, mind going around in grim fandango. You have woken up. It seemed quiet. + Show Spoiler + Nobody has died! You have 48 hours and 42 minutes to decide a lynch. I am sorry for the delay. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
I was not roleblocked or attacked this night. | ||
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