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On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here.
We lynched who I wanted to lynch though. Both times.
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On June 22 2014 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:There is something that makes me think one of slOosh/YKZ is scum. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:20 mderg wrote:On June 21 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
mderg, does the fact that no one other than Chezinu scumread VE after his case on you not give you pause to re-evaluate VE's lynch or ask questions about why other people aren't scumreading him? Why do you not care about your main scumread getting lynched and only drop in to vote for an easy lynch on Snickers now? I honestly never thought about asking why people are not scumreading him. I don´t think I´ve done something like that in any game so far. I really don´t think someone who has a convincing reason to not scumread someone would just keep quiet about it when a case is made. It´s not that I don´t care but I don´t think there´s any way he´s getting lynched today and he also didn´t post much of value today. So it´s impossible to bring anything new to the table. I also don´t think this is a vote for an easy lynch because it´s still kinda close between Snickers and bh and I think my vote may actually be of relevance. As scum it would probably be easier to just afk for the rest of the day and let the lynch progress, unless bh and me were both scum.Also @ bh: I never voted a townread. I consider this something that he either slipped as momentum came crashing down upon him, or it's something scum planted to incriminate bh to capitalize on it later, which slOosh is doing. It looks so weird to just throw that out there.
Oh interesting!
The biggest thing in Detention that I recall is that mderg made a post as scum that Palmar was very impressed with that he gave him a town read for.
On June 05 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:Okay, before I start re-reading mderg, here's the reason I cleared him back on day 1: Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote:On May 28 2014 22:07 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though I don´t get how defending jabber like I did would make any sense, if we were both scum. That would be like the worst mafia play ever. Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that. But hard defending a scummate who will almost certainly be lynched anyway doesn´t seem like scum play. *clap clap* I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I'm giving you a townread for this. To explain why I thought this looks super townie, and I still do. Note the timing of his post. This is at the height of me doubting myself on the jabber lynch. mderg posted this shortly after I wrote my "too scummy to be scum" explanation for my hesitation. This post makes mderg town because of his intentions (note you also have to check him out actually doing the defending). These are the possibilities: 1. mderg mafia/jabber mafia 2. mderg mafia/jabber town 3. mderg town/jabber mafia 4. mderg town/jabber town The ones we're interested in eliminating are 1 and 2, if we want to reduce the chances of mderg being mafia. 1) Mderg explains it in the post himself. If he is mafia and knows jabber will flip mafia, why on earth is he hard defending someone who will almost certainly be lynched anyway. It makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't think mderg is capable of this meta play. Obviously we now know that this scenario also wasn't true, because jabber flipped town. 2) Mderg also addresses this, but he does it in a very particular way, I'll quote him: "Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that." I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that if mderg is mafia, he made a super ballsy play of literally planting the idea that he may be mafia based on something he already knew would come true. Hell townies don't like to claim they might be mafia, mafia absolutely hates doing it. It's really, really hard for me to believe that mderg would be capable of such an advanced mafia play. There is a really good reason I said this:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote:
I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I almost stand by that. This single post would be very, very impressive mafia play if mderg is mafia. I'm writing this to set a baseline. I need to go back and read why I at one point said fuba is town. I don't quite remember that as well as this mderg post. When I know why I called fuba town, I might do their filters, but no idea how much I'll be able to accomplish today. I'll do it before the deadline though.
What does it mean? I'm not sure. But interesting!
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On June 22 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release? Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction. D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed.
I still have trouble reading him because of the lack of interaction though, and I don't like how he's still going after Snickers who is pretty much confirmed town. His filter is pretty difficult to read through but I guess he ended up on the right wagon so I can't be too critical.
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On June 22 2014 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here. We lynched who I wanted to lynch though. Both times.
OK you get to be Prime Minister, but I'm clearly the President, cause I never made a post like this:
On June 21 2014 05:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I thought his case was pretty decent. I feel like my reads are utter shit this game though, so just gonna go and sheep you. ##Unvote
##Vote YouKnowZhou
So one of us has shown great leadership (me) and is therefore clearly a member of the executive branch. I gotta give you credit for eventually doing my bidding and corralling votes, but my confidence and executive style really means I'm Mr. President.
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Convenient that YKZ is interested in popping in to defend himself, but not at all in coming up with scum reads.
In any case my case can be summarized as "YKZ didn't really want to lynch mderg D2". You guys can reread D2 for yourselves and decide if it's true or I'm making stuff up.
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On June 22 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
Convenient that YKZ is interested in popping in to defend himself, but not at all in coming up with scum reads.
In any case my case can be summarized as "YKZ didn't really want to lynch mderg D2". You guys can reread D2 for yourselves and decide if it's true or I'm making stuff up.
If anyone has questions for me, I'll answer them, but in order to avoid getting shot or not shot strategically, my cases will all come just before deadline. :D
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On June 22 2014 07:15 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here. We lynched who I wanted to lynch though. Both times. OK you get to be Prime Minister, but I'm clearly the President, cause I never made a post like this: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 05:10 slOosh wrote:
Artanis, why don't you want to vote YKZ? I thought his case was pretty decent. I feel like my reads are utter shit this game though, so just gonna go and sheep you. ##Unvote
##Vote YouKnowZhou So one of us has shown great leadership (me) and is therefore clearly a member of the executive branch. I gotta give you credit for eventually doing my bidding and corralling votes, but my confidence and executive style really means I'm Mr. President.
If we're going to hold every bad post against players then you're going to end up being a janitor at best.
Also, I like that post slOosh. I'm warming up to the YKZ is scum idea but I'm going to need to reread a bit to get a few blank spots clear.
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I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row
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On June 22 2014 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release? Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction. D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed. I still have trouble reading him because of the lack of interaction though, and I don't like how he's still going after Snickers who is pretty much confirmed town. His filter is pretty difficult to read through but I guess he ended up on the right wagon so I can't be too critical.
The thing is that Snickers indeed was poking him for the longest time, so it's not too unnatural for him to still carry the suspicion of him. The voting thing, I didn't get until you / Koshi pointed it out, and the conversation wasn't too fleshed out so all in all nothing too alarming.
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On June 22 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row
Do explain me how you were right on two lynches in a row when one of them flipped town.
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Ughh that was messy.
EBWOP:
The voting thing, I didn't see until it was pointed out, so I could see how he would have missed it too, seeing as the conversation was like a couple of posts. There is nothing alarming about him.
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On June 17 2014 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Sloosh, you should totally release the good karma within you and LEAVE Artanis Alone!!!
Did you kill good karma because of me or because he was next to you in the vote?
On June 18 2014 07:36 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.
Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.
But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along. Why do you think slOosh reordered the votes?
Speaking of votes Why did you reorder the votes?? OH WAIT!! You reordered them again today! Order matters.
On June 20 2014 02:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum? Yesterday, I was thinking that if they didn't kill slOosh tonight, he might be mafia. He was one of the only one playing Day 1.
Why are you still here?
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On June 22 2014 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row Do explain me how you were right on two lynches in a row when one of them flipped town.
Well, 2 ways. First, 27nb was objectively scummy so the lynch on her was objectively good (link), even if it SO HAPPENED that she flipped town this time. I'm sure you, who wrote the same case as I did write after I did (link), would agree that 27nb needed to be lynched. We did what was necessary.
Secondly, both times the person I wanted to lynch got lynched, and might makes right  . Town following my lead is objectively correct.
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On June 22 2014 07:38 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row Do explain me how you were right on two lynches in a row when one of them flipped town. Well, 2 ways. First, 27nb was objectively scummy so the lynch on her was objectively good (link), even if it SO HAPPENED that she flipped town this time. I'm sure you, who wrote the same case as I did write after I did (link), would agree that 27nb needed to be lynched. We did what was necessary. Secondly, both times the person I wanted to lynch got lynched, and might makes right . Town following my lead is objectively correct.
EBWOP
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On June 22 2014 07:38 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm kinda amazed anyone thinks I'm scum tbh after being right on 2 lynches in a row Do explain me how you were right on two lynches in a row when one of them flipped town. Well, 2 ways. First, 27nb was objectively scummy so the lynch on her was objectively good (link), even if it SO HAPPENED that she flipped town this time. I'm sure you, who wrote the same case as I did write after I did (link), would agree that 27nb needed to be lynched. We did what was necessary. Secondly, both times the person I wanted to lynch got lynched, and might makes right . Town following my lead is objectively correct.
EBWOP
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On June 22 2014 07:05 YouKnowZhou wrote:
And you can criticize me all you want for lying about mderg to get him lynched, but as always, the ends justify the means. People claim I'm not a town leader, but the town lynches who I want to lynch, so clearly I am in charge here. I am willing to lie, willing to sell my soul, willing to call you guys bad or good or say anything, whatever it takes, to push my lynch. I don't care what you think of me. That whole "oh, i'm getting lynched anyways so let's talk" thing was in part to leave behind something in case I got lynched, but it was ALSO mostly because I wanted to not get lynched and to get mderg lynched, and I know you guys are all suckers for the "helpful martyr" strategy. I did it mostly because it helped me lynch mderg.
I'd do it again, too, and you should all be glad I would. There's nothing I won't do to win this game.
Yes this makes sense because mafia cannot vote. I would like to bring back my point in principles. Sloosh has been saying that YKZ made a case on mderg because mafia knew one of them was going to die(ie. YKZ) so they let one die but got a lot of suspicion off of another. Mderg almost got voted day one and i was still razing him day one before YKZ's first "case" which was really just my case from day one posted a little differently.
Now back to principles. The only reason scum would claim Vt would be to get an initial slight disadvantage that could become a big advantage. The principle is slight disadvantage but big reward. Think of the power ball or big lottery games with big money low chances. YKZ did that day two. initial disadvantage of throwing mderg away (it was not a 100% thing that YKZ was going to be lynched) but now the huge reward (YKZ) looks a lot less scummy.
Not saying that YKZ is scum but I did not think anyone else would point this out. Extremely important that YKZ only started to go for mderg after my catch on his slip of saying he said something that he did not actually say.
We all need to keep YKZ may (has a good chance) of being scum for the rest of the game. People have been putting good cases against Lm.
Also remember sloosh is the one that is calling out YKZ here but someone thought sloosh looked scummy.
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On June 22 2014 07:35 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Sloosh, you should totally release the good karma within you and LEAVE Artanis Alone!!! Did you kill good karma because of me or because he was next to you in the vote? Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 07:36 Chezinu wrote:On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.
Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.
But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along. Why do you think slOosh reordered the votes? Speaking of votes Why did you reorder the votes?? OH WAIT!! You reordered them again today! Order matters. Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 02:12 Chezinu wrote:On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum? Yesterday, I was thinking that if they didn't kill slOosh tonight, he might be mafia. He was one of the only one playing Day 1. Why are you still here?
With viscera eyes I have been promoted to master of oats. You know You Know you know?
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On June 22 2014 07:23 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release? Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction. D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed. I still have trouble reading him because of the lack of interaction though, and I don't like how he's still going after Snickers who is pretty much confirmed town. His filter is pretty difficult to read through but I guess he ended up on the right wagon so I can't be too critical. The thing is that Snickers indeed was poking him for the longest time, so it's not too unnatural for him to still carry the suspicion of him. The voting thing, I didn't get until you / Koshi pointed it out, and the conversation wasn't too fleshed out so all in all nothing too alarming.
I think it is weird that release is still going after. Why? He did not add anything to his case from night one or day two to go after me. Also you said you read him as town day one, but his first post in the game was just misreading 27nb and he admits to it.(Another or Also is the word she said) and just restating what we already knew of 27nb.
Like I have said multiple times i think he is scum or bad town (actually I know he is either scum or bad town/pr.)
Also just calling that I am probably going to be targeted tonight.
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On June 22 2014 07:52 Snickers wrote:
Also just calling that I am probably going to be targeted tonight.
I'm going to estimate the chance of this being similar to the chance of England winning this year's world cup.
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On June 22 2014 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:52 Snickers wrote:
Also just calling that I am probably going to be targeted tonight. I'm going to estimate the chance of this being similar to the chance of England winning this year's world cup.
Snickers is probably going to be targeted by... a cop check, or a vigi shot if for some reason we have one. But certainly not by scum.
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