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If you're going to have 8 blues, you should probably round KP up Also for Darth Vader "Being checked by role will return a random blue role." - shouldn't Darth vader be able to choose what he returns as? Otherwise it's like, he gets checked as something and has to bullshit checks he can't know he's going to bullshit, stuff like that. | ||
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On May 28 2014 04:17 Foolishness wrote: This is supposed to be Mafia LXV, not LXVI.  shhhhhhhhhhh It happened with 52 & 51, I assumed it was on purpose somehow | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: and miss a chance to play with Dicksmash McIroncock? ^ pretty compelling argument | ||
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On June 03 2014 19:04 Palmar wrote: Oh and for the old timers. While not officially a hydra, who doesn't remember the good old Protactinium shitfest  We've been doing drama on TL since before it was cool. Link for history purposes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/216197-protactinium-mafia-xxxviii This thread is a fabrication, Incognito assured us in the Rule-change thread that there was never drama in the olden days. | ||
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Gosh. and i'm going to re- /in despite my better judgement | ||
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On June 03 2014 20:02 Koshi wrote: marv sneaky snake like always. sneaky. make Sentinel add me though t.t | ||
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On June 04 2014 07:36 TicaTica wrote: So I am /outed and /replaced. Confuseing should make give holyflare blowjob to darth punk. Blowjob make persons happy. darth punk need happy. Is why called gay. Gay make lots blowjob. Blowjob make happy. Happy make life longer. Moral of story need more make gay blowjob make life longer make happy. You must be a descendant of Wittgenstein | ||
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On June 05 2014 04:23 batsnacks wrote: If there is still a spot I would like to play if that's alright with everyone the word you're looking for is "/in" | ||
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On June 07 2014 15:53 DarthPunk wrote: This game does not look promising judging from the pre-game 'banter' au contraire, I think it looks particularly promising. | ||
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On June 11 2014 01:30 ExO_ wrote: this is taking an awfully long time to get started. I've never mafia'd on the TL forums before but I'm going crazy waiting every day when we have a full player list. could somebody tell me what hydra-ing is? Where two players play on one username | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote: You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. lol are you serious? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:30 justanothertownie wrote: Marv... at least wait until we got a solid read on him. Pfff honestly i just wanted to start going through my repertoire of synonyms for calm your tits | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:39 roundabound wrote: [ ] care [x] don't care [x] I WANT TO MOTHA FUCKIN WIN! pls undo the calamity that is your mammaries | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:52 Chromatically wrote: Designed to send a signal... to who? I don't get how it's scummy. yeah, I think mafia need to find a way to communicate privately somehow maybe with some form of anonymous messageboard | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote: In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass. and therefore your conclusion? | ||
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I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books. | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote: Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik. well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though. | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote: Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. sorry, why is it villagery that i'm not pushing the thought more, dear? | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:13 TicaTica wrote: To whome much is given, much is expected. Is ok for you to return bra to you upright and locked position for landing. I see. Well, I say I see, but I don't see. I guess I'll just leave you to it. | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:15 Chromatically wrote: marv, why won't you vote sinani with me? I'm not feeling this as a vote early game, so I won't* *unless I really want to# #which I don't right now | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Absolutely agree with bat, roundabound's response was incredibly scummy. I just reread Chris's filter and I don't see anything that nearly resembles a serious push so idk what to say. Did you play cell? That's what I was talking about with ritoky. It was a joke. what about it was incredibly scummy? | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself: ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early. im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help Chairman Ray: Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote: Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote: First scumread for me: roundabound The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. TehPoofter: Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. roundabound: Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote: The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote: You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote: Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote awkward corner aka might lynch will watch: Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first therefore the first six people to post are scum gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote: Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering. Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 TicaTica: Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote: Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote: Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote: Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. ##vote: TicaTica really? wow koshi | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:15 sandroba wrote: hi =) you do realise you're going to have to be super-sexy after your tryhard mode in Catastrophe. Taking umbrage with that Koshi monstrosity is a good start | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote: Sandro. Please to be town. Your maf game #1 scary it was only scary because it's like the first time in 3 years he actually bothered to try as mafia :/ | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:22 Tehpoofter wrote: Hate is a strong word but I did disagree with Koshi a bit. He had two of my village reads as his wolf reads so that was lame. Koshi can you go into a little more detail on TicaTic? It felt to me you had stronger feelings for Chrom but voted Tic Y4? I definitely hated. Hated is the appropriate word for me. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:23 sandroba wrote: No promisses. Not sure if I have the will to read this thread in detail if the amount of shit posting stays on this pace. I hope it's only because it just started. You misunderstand, I'm not I'm not saying they are mafia, I'm saying you are. I'll try make them stop if it goes too late into d1, I promise | ||
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get on my level i just say "wow really" and it's obvious what i mean | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:28 Tehpoofter wrote: I only go up Marv no reason to drop down to that level  Touché, sir. Touché. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:32 TicaTica wrote: You can answer. I were asking Sandroba however. he'll say the same as me, nothing Palmar has posted means anything or is in the slightest bit interesting | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Agreed. ExO very sketchy I don't think he read the first part of the thread. Sounded to be like he uses hydra here like a buzz word and trying to slide into the convo. @ExO you say you're getting used to the TL lingo where do you come from? Do you play Werewolf there or mafia? @Sandroba you care to elaborate on why Koshi is wolfy here? Like his post wasn't what I agreed with but not sure I got the super wolf tingles. Although I will say I'm not leaning village from it either. it's funny because it's exactly the same type of post you make as mafia but you tend not to as town. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote: marv, did you read what I wrote about palmar? if yes, thoughts on my conclusion? If not, go read it and then same question. no, whatever you wrote i don't care about it. explanation: see my last post (or maybe the one before) | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:27 yamato77 wrote: at p. 30, three posts I want to comment on This case is not good. Sinani is not mafia for how he's played so far, and marv agreeing with Chrom about this read is suspicious. Do not like the sinani = mafia read at all. This about sums up my thoughts on Robik. Not to be taken seriously. That said, I don't like the case on him either, however I find this post to be a more reasonable and townie one than Chrom's post about sinani. tl;dr Chrom and Marv bad, sinani and robik not good lynches, Chairman townish. you're bad because you fail at basic reading comprehension. go you. | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:39 yamato77 wrote: Please explain what I didn't read correctly. the only point i agreed on with sinani was jat's point about the qualifiers with his read on jat i didn't say literally anything about anything with regards to Chrome's points on sinani | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:41 yamato77 wrote: don't need you to call me terrible all game, thanks. you can just stop playing if that's how you're going to be if you call me bad because you're too shit to read, i will call you terrible if you don't want me to call you terrible, don't be terrible. i'm fair like that | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:42 yamato77 wrote: You said sinani looked scummy. That's all I read into your post. It's a bad read, period, and you should know better. pls stop being terrible | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:43 yamato77 wrote: bad as in scummy, because it's a scummy thing to do, what you did it wasn't, you just can't read. pls the terrible it hurts | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:45 yamato77 wrote: Marv is actually mafia. pls you're having a rack attack stahp | ||
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he could be both at the moment, I am zeroing in on the important aspect. | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:48 yamato77 wrote: Marv, did you, or did you not say that you thought sinani was scummy? I said the particular thing jat pointed out was kinda suspicious, which it was/is. i then added the disclaimer that sinani was posting quite a lot, and that was a teensy lean the other way i then showed no other interest i do love rehashing things i've said in the past couple of hours | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:51 Chairman Ray wrote: I haven't really considered how I play. I just play how I feel like at the moment and that has meant a lot of different things. That is correct You realise getting the correct alignments for the wrong reasons is like quintissential mafia play, yes? | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:53 ritoky wrote: hey gaiz, a hydra is when you have two roles right? like vigicop? it's so attractive when bitches play dumb. keep it up | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:28 yamato77 wrote: he acts like a shithead, makes really bad reads, and generally just doesn't seem very interested in actually doing anything. lol this is not in any way how i play mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote: Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far: Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras. vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first. exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. how come sandroba gets towncred for that when according to this list you don't even find koshi suspicious? towncred for calling out someone/something you didn't find suspicious yourself? | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:41 batsnacks wrote: Marv has said a lot of things I don't agree with. I can't even tell if Marv was being serious when he said that. Unless I'm missing something this still doesn't explain why you liked exo's early posts. it wasn't me who said that i have no idea how you think there are a lot of things i've said you disagree with, i haven't really said enough of importance to disagree with... | ||
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On June 11 2014 17:49 batsnacks wrote: Yeah sorry about that. I just sort of took Bill's word for it that you actually said that when apparently you didn't. So I was wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. Regardless of whether you said that or not I can't read you at all. well, if you don't know me pretty well, trying to read me this early is probably fruitless anyway, because i'll cast around until i find things to hang my hat on pro-tip: don't use hyperbole like "marv has said a lot of things i disagree with" as an extrapolation from one thing that you're taking someone else's word from. indeed my only obvious thread suspicion is koshi who you in fact agree with me about. | ||
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On June 11 2014 17:56 batsnacks wrote: Thanks I love pro-tips. But seriously you've just called a bunch of people bad so far which, while not alignment indicative necessarily, isn't town. no, only really yamato. and calling yamato terrible is always town because he is terrible "a bunch of people" - you have a penchant for the exaggerations, yes squire? | ||
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On June 11 2014 18:15 batsnacks wrote: Actually, you're right. It's actually just the 1/4 of your filter that you spend calling yamato terrible. Which I'll comment was warranted. It seems I was misrepresenting you marv. Sorry about that. Indeed. And honestly that's twice now. It makes it hard for me to put stock in anything you say. pls be careful about what you write, I don't want to have to doublecheck everything you say about anyone (obviously i happen to know everything I say, mostly, so that's easy). It'd be much better if we held hands, french kissed, and found ze evil scummers without making shit up. Unless you're scum in which case, do your worst D: now i should probably go catchup on the rest of the thread, i got sidetracked by arguing about myself (always tempting) | ||
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1: taking what BM said for granted and saying there were "many things" you disagreed with what i said (there aren't) 2: saying I called a bunch of ppl terrible (only 1) | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:51 Rainbows wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote: If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now. Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation. What strikes me odd was his next post: Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him. From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me. tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia. I don't get CR's goal with his postings. he comes to no conclusion, just that some post made koshi scummy but his next post made him more town. So is he mafia or town for CR at this point? I care not that CR is posting intelligently (this is a good thing!!!), but there's a bunch of text with seemingly no bite involved atm yes, i agree with this i think. | ||
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to clarify, specifically i don't like the bolded bits in the CR post, how it introduces itself and how it ends. Though i'm not particularly sure what i make of it right now. | ||
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btw how do you be "controversial" as well as "blended in the background"? | ||
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On June 11 2014 19:12 HaruRH wrote: By being so controversal, you're ultimately ignored and become blended into the crowds of foolishness? I wasn't looking for a philosophical answer, but thx Haru :p | ||
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On June 11 2014 19:18 Bill Murray wrote: I don't want to lynch Koshi for his post, because at least it was a consolidated effort, and it's the thought that counts, but I don't like his reads, which I feel were forced, nor do I like the content included within those reads. To further this point, I feel like his FoS + Vote on different people (he had a big case on 1, then votes the other) is very scummy, and indicative of scum FoSing their partner while voting someone else ummmmm... | ||
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On June 11 2014 20:46 yamato77 wrote: I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA And what has he done so far this game? While I agree with the sentiment expressed, it's still the same sort of hypocritical nonsense that Ver so accurately pointed out. VA as mafia loves to complain and argue about pointless shit. VA as town would have just posted what he thought about someone/something, right or wrong, and been done with it. Of course, it's only two posts, but it's a solid lead. ##Vote: VayneAuthority I'll be looking at Koshi and Chairman more in depth soon. I think they are town, but there is sentiment expressed that this is not the case, and I wish to solve the matter. you're completely missing the 2nd half of Ver's analysis, i.e. spending all his time talking about roles and other shit, which is the massive incongruency, and the incongruency is why he was mafia. That incongruency doesn't exist here because he's not doing anything else either. So using Ver to back up your read is pretty dodgerific | ||
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On June 11 2014 21:17 Holyflare wrote: "i don't have to believe you have law exams" - yamato 2014 Prob end up in a signature somewhere. Hakuna your tatas! (inb4 marv uses) fuck you | ||
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On June 11 2014 21:32 yamato77 wrote: I really don't care if you think I'm right, all you've done this game is call me terrible. If you want to talk about reads, go ahead, but for now, you're just shitposting like the rest of the thread. I am not saying that I'm certain about anything, because this game is always played with a large degree of uncertainty, but someone has to move the thread away from how it's been going. you're missing my point, but it doesn't matter although your post does kinda encapsulate what i was referring to pretty well. anyway, carry on. | ||
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On June 11 2014 21:43 yamato77 wrote: Does it not occur to you that he's playing different than his usual game intentionally? It's the first thing I thought when I saw "tryhard filter starts here" he writes stuff like that all the time at beginning of games | ||
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On June 12 2014 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey marv, tell me who's scum. it'd be much more fun for everyone involved (actually i'm just thinking of me) if you told me who was scum instead | ||
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On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? | ||
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On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote: This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten . Post by post is pretty bad actually, usually. | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote: You're right, we should all start hunting scum while we have no accessibility to the thread. Also, you contradicted yourself in here. Just sayin. I don't particularly like sinani's response either, as I said, it was forced noncommittal, and lacked substance. But I do agree with Koshi to some degree; I think your asking of the question in the first place is suspect. And then your follow-up is way too strong in proportion, it reeks of TMI to me. can you explain exactly what you mean by this for me, please? | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote: Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong. I am going to go with everybody else. remember oats on like d4 in ## and i was absolutely convinced he was mafia but eventually i had to let it go because everyone didn't seem to go for it no matter how hard i pushed it search in your heart | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:12 batsnacks wrote: Marv you need new adjectives. "Bad" and "terrible" are getting stale. you are just atrocious appalling despicable awful your hair smells of feces your aura has the consistency of sewage | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:18 Koshi wrote: No. Chrom can still easily be scum. People are just not seeing that I do not want him instantly killed. I just say that he should be watched. This entire wagon on me is wrong btw. And the one on batsnacks probably as well. I don't think I'm interested in pursuing either of you today. Can we be carebear scumhunting buddies now? | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote: meh, I can abandon ship on the tryhard stuff. It simply isn't working out. well i think i'm over you and Exo now, which is what i was feeling when i went to bed last night kingofcats, ritoky, ketomai may be interesting but i need more I'm not really sure on your MZ stuff, MZ can sometimes come across pretty useless as town at the start (he got lynched as town twice in two games just recently) whereas in PYP:LoL where Meapak was mafia, I thought Meapak looked really townie and productive early on until he went off the rails against you and turned really scummy. | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:32 HaruRH wrote: Different places have different meta, I guess. On the mafias that I used to play (warcraft 3 custom map mafia), the meta was to shittalk as much as you can d1 and lynch the guy who is the most serious. Tl mafia's meta is to over analyse everyone d1, get on a policy lynch wagon and cry. Don't shit-talk something you don't understand. TL towns over the past 6-9 months have had an abnormally high hit-rate on mafia day 1. | ||
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Hmm. *looks at Haru* hmmmmmm | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote: Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit. first game or not, the difference is striking. how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then? | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:40 HaruRH wrote: For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2. that's a totally incorrect lesson to take. Also not what I was referring to with regards to how you're playing. Anyway I'm going to sit on this for a while and see what happens. I'm pretty tempted to vote for you though, which I guess must be quite annoying for you because i haven't specified why. but i'm not going to right now. maybe i should read your filter ;D | ||
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why would you even ask? | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:54 ExO_ wrote: mmmm but I feel almost like it's rude to voice without good reasoning. For example, JAT has posted barely anything worthwhile imo, rarely posting more than a single sentence. I don't feel like he's doing anything to contribute towards town, and is just generally stirring things up while sitting back. But I don't have any major disagreements with the things he's saying, nor do I feel like me scrutinizing him is justified in this case as I have nothing really to go on. So I haven't said anything. Anybody else keeping up with the thread can clearly read what I'm reading and can make their own judgements on him. There's nothing I feel like I've noticed that needs to be voiced. Everybody else seems to have a better feel for everybody else, having played them in other games; this is my first game so I'm getting my first reads on everybody right now. I don't think it's fair for me to voice every thought and possibility that occurs to me just yet because I don't know everybody. I'm still forming my opinions, and I'd hate to undermine my ability to argue what I think later because I committed to an opinion too early (that I later changed my mind on.) that's silly, i'll probably change my mind 100 times over the course of the game, that's part of playing mafia it's through seeing your opinions and the reasons behind them that people can get a good read on you, and changing your mind doesn't undermine anything. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Hurray on the ability of being able to use a thesaurus! You should try using your vote. The voting thread is bleh 17 out of 30 people voting half way through the day. I know its not a majority lynch but we still need to get something going on someone, preferably 2 someones. Letting the leading vote getter being under 10 votes is just silly and easily manipulated by wolves. gtfo i don't use a thesaurus, i have a brain. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:30 Palmar wrote: I don't have a lot of data to support this yet, but there is a possibility marvellosity is mafia this game. and now there's the possibility you are mafia. Tension mounts! | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:32 Palmar wrote: No, you already know I'm not mafia regardless of your alignment. So I don't know why you're trying to act like you don't. I'd say the same to you. Or are you actually just bad? | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:39 Tehpoofter wrote: You're going to hate the post I'm going to make today its totally leveling on my scum meta but gotta make it as village sometime. more to come soon! it's about post-timings. that's why it's so sick. because it's dumb. but also true as far as i noticed when i was researching in YOSO | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:40 Tehpoofter wrote: Use said brain make some votes lets get something going. The fact that Koshi is lead wagon at 4 is silly. we won't be lynching Koshi today. but I don't know who we will lynch. That's going to have to wait until tomorrow for me, I think. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:48 Palmar wrote: Actually I'm backing out on thinking marv is mafia. There is an anomaly but I can't conclude what it means. that is *so* boring. cmon, make an effort. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote: Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons. The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all. And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off. could you answer my previous question to you pls? | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:50 Palmar wrote: i can't fight my own data, that would be counterproductive. However, I'm doing additional research on strongandbig now. Do you want to offer insight? well if you ask me something specific, then sure. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:51 Tehpoofter wrote: Don't tell me because I'll just abuse it next I roll wolf. ok. but you're very likely town according to it. lucky you | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Lynch is less than a day away. And I'm not asking you to vote forever just throw a vote up its not permanent WATCH ##unvote ##Vote Marvellosity ##unvote ##Vote Ketomai Don't be scared! the last thing you'll ever find me to be is scared, my friend | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:58 Palmar wrote: @MZ, if I held a gun to your head and told you to pick a townie at the chance of losing your life, who would you pick and why would it be BM? Objection! Leading the witness, your honour | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:01 Palmar wrote: Another 180 marv, you were annoyed and now you're joking. Please go find something interesting. Because my data doesn't quite add up I'll drop the issue of you being mafia for now, but go dig up something worth talking about. get lost? | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:02 gumshoe wrote: Doesn't this mean Plamer is third party? It would explain his prevalent apathy, questions regarding this. 1: Do we want Palmer to clarify? 2: Barring consensus on who to lynch (unlikely, we should be able to muster a lynch no matter what happens) is he a good fall back kill? 3: Do we even care about his reads if hes not on our side? 4: If he is claiming 3p, what are the odds hes still scum? I know Tl has left survivors alone fairly often considering theyre deaths seemingly bring town no closer to victory. Maybe hes taking advantage of the current meta? there's no 3p in the game. | ||
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that bodes badly for him. | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:27 ritoky wrote: sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information? as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia. is that the explanation you were looking for? but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing? | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote: ? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info. yes i got the wrong name. what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote: Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum. And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read. that's just random baseless speculation though. you can't say something reeks of TMI and then not even have an opinion on what the information is, that's ridiculous. it's quite a leap to go from "this reaction is over the top" to "this reeks of TMI" | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote: ? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info. like this conclusion makes absolutely no sense at all. | ||
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On June 12 2014 07:42 gumshoe wrote: Can you consolidate your case on him if you think he's scum? Cause these on liners just ain't doin t for me Mary marvel : P i'll think about it tomorrow. also i think my point is relatively clear. | ||
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On June 12 2014 08:06 yamato77 wrote: If he was town he wouldn't just ignore my meta post on him, I don't think. he would. he ignored me literally like 10 times in survivor series. | ||
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with no add-ons, because it was re-run. the original one. | ||
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On June 12 2014 18:58 Koshi wrote: marv, JAT is scum. I feel it in my bones. You should look into it. you need to tell me why though. because i'm leaning town on my broski. | ||
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actually flicking through his filter it was less useful than I had the image of it being. So i guess i'm more null after all. I dunno. There's a couple of one-liners i liked on his p3. nothing i want to concentrate on today anyways. | ||
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Obiwan, Koshi, sinani, poofter, BM, gumshoe, roundabound, Palmar, batsnacks, yamato, Chromatically (pending meta check) because i think they're townish to varying degrees then there's like sandroba, foolish, Holy, slam, Exo who I don't want to lynch atm for varying reasons (more time for 1&2&3, crapshoot for 4, good chance newbie town for 5) So that leaves ritoky, rainbows, jat, MZ, Erandorr, kush, Kingofcats, CR, Haru, s&b, Tica, ketomai, Vayne I could reasonably remove Erandor, kush, Vayne as total crapshoots similar to Slam (who was on a different list simply due to quantity of posting) that leaves ritoky, rainbows, jat, MZ, kingofcats, CR, Haru, s&b, Tica, ketomai as a stab i think i'd maybe want to leave tica, jat, rainbows alone today. so ritoky, MZ, kingofcats, CR, haru, s&b, ketomai probably i should concentrate mostly in that list. | ||
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On June 12 2014 20:43 HaruRH wrote: So you're meta-ing me based on 1 game? Lol thats the reason why I'm changing now, to avoid further meta reads. Not going to streamline my play into 1 category lol well if i thought you had been at all useful besides, the meta wouldn't matter... | ||
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On June 12 2014 20:57 HaruRH wrote: Hey marv if you wanna meta me, you need to re-read my posts to even use it as meta Heres a short little rap by me to show you what I mean i have no idea what you're trying to say. i don't care for you sitting around arguing with me about your previous game. | ||
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On June 12 2014 21:05 HaruRH wrote: I have no idea what are you trying to do here too marv. Firstly, you scumread me for not playing like the last game, to which I explain nothing much changed except for my attitude, even citing examples, and yet you dont care about arguing about my previous game....??? In what way are you supposed to be useful on d1? I'm not the type to scumread people based on 2 real life day worth of content, with no methods of deducing anything at all. Not everyone play like you all do. if i have zero reason to think you are town, you are a valid lynch target. it's a very simple equation. | ||
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Disclaimer: this may well change (so far I looked at ritoky, MZ, kingofcats) It seems from his intro post that he has at least played mafia a bit before. And his signature suggests this too. So I'm not going to give him a pass for weird things based on newishness. He made a couple of references to "filter diving", one which is quite odd On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Like in the 5-10 minutes it took him to write up a post, a couple of pages of thread went by? That doesn't mean more filter diving, that just means reading the thread. It's odd. His whole rationale for voting batsnacks comes across as really superficial. On June 12 2014 02:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Not liking Batsnacks atm. His reasons for voting Roundabound are "i don't like hydras" and "He called someone by their nickname" and when Roundabound pointed out his second reason made no sense (Round called someone by their nickname. Calling someone by a nickname is a scum tactic apparently. Therefore Round is scum. A train of thought so wrong i have trouble believing it came naturally as town) he just dismissed it. Really anyone with a passing acquaintance with mafia know that scum aren't very likely to give randomly bad or jokey reasons for someone being mafia. Especially as it was like right after the game started (as batsnacks pointed out) On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. But you do think that a mafia would genuinely try to lynch someone for using mafia nicknames as a scum tactic? Really? In what world do mafia ever do this? On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind. On June 12 2014 03:35 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Null for now. I need to read through both his and your filters carefully before i can come to a proper conclusion. such filter diving wow tldr: I can't find even a glimmer of why this boy is town I don't believe the push on batsnacks and the reasons presented for it, it feels so superficial - pushing batsnacks for reasons that he can't possibly believe batsnacks is serious about, and it's his only contribution weirld stilted filter diving references and general lack of cares for the game | ||
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maybe you did, but i can't remember what you said, which means it wasn't very substantial or important. he's been drifting under the radar quite well for reasons i'm not sure of. | ||
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maybe you could tell me why ketomai and s&b are or are not mafia, why you have reservations, why you don't, same with ritoky, MZ. Or anyone you like. Anyone can do this actually. | ||
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for reference i have temporarily discounted ritoky because although i find his "reeks of TMI" stuff really odd, in some way he didn't understand why it was odd and seemed quite angry I didn't understand, and also his posts in plenty of parts seem pretty direct. so maybe he is mafia but maybe also those could be reasons he isn't. MZ i might still lynch, i had a small gut town reaction when he said "omg how am i below koshi" to palmar's numbers list. and one or two things about he talked to someone, although i've totally forgotten what now. he's still kinda suspicious to me but... meh. | ||
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I wish he would address the meat of my case though (ergo, surely he cannot believe that mafia would genuinely try to use the silly reasons batsnacks did to try to lynch someone). I want that rationalised. | ||
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On June 12 2014 22:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ketomai: Weird start with the voting but not alignment indicative I think. Scummy post. Unwarranted martyring. He then promises one content post and delivers this: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote: I'm here and I realize you're just pressuring me to respond, but reading 50 straight pages of mostly spam is honestly exhausting (and impossible for me after a long day at work). I gave up in the middle and just took a cursory glance through filters and whatnot for current top votes. I also took a look at a few other people that showed up near the beginning of the thread. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Hopefully there's less spam in the future because missing 1 day so far seems to be catastrophic. Top votes: Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia. Exo: Leaning slightly towards town. He doesn't spam up the thread and has only posted the few times he's confident in his opinion. However, his last post that also contained his vote jumped to a conclusion really fast without much evidence. The way he said it leaves room for change, like my own vote, so I'm also not too suspicious of that. It feels more like he honestly doesn't know who to vote for because there's so much spam/finger pointing as a newer player. Roundabout: No read. When he was attacking me earlier I thought he was doing that to everyone to create some chaos, but after looking through the filters he hasn't really done much past the early game. The point about him not contributing much is true, but not enough grounds to seem mafia yet; the game is early. The jump on me was a bit strange since I, personally, felt it was useless garbage spamming up the thread, but I'll ignore that. I would like to see him post more now that the "heat" is off of him. strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying). Chairman Ray: slightly town. So far everything he posts is pretty logical. I disagree a bit with his leaps on roundabout, but he's defended himself and arguments pretty well, so I like that. He brings up his own arguments to add to town discussion as well, which is usually good if they make sense. MZ: Other than furthering the VA lynchwagon (unless I missed some great post about it), not enough info, no read. Anyway I made a post because I promised it, but as you can see my knowledge of the thread is not very thorough yet. You should view these as my initial thoughts. I feel strongest about ritoky out of the people I checked so I'll vote on him for now to get him to speak out. I don't really know if I think this post on it's own is towny enough to let him survive day1. Since he already announced that this will be all we get from him today. I think it is quite weird how he adds reads on MZ and roundabout that say nothing while leaving most of the players out of this post. Why include them? Also a completely non-committal read on SnB. yes I think this guy is a pretty good lynch also. | ||
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On June 12 2014 22:40 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: It's not as if i believe he's 100% scum for doing it. When i make cases on people i'm not sure about i exaggerate their scumminess to provoke a reaction. Judging what they and others say about the case helps me deduce people's alignments, it's worked in the past. Plus seeing as no-one was on him at the time i thought it would be a good idea to put him under the spotlight. Sadly Bat's reaction didn't help me get a read on him and i'm only more wary of him for trying to direct blues. i don't understand how you can think he is any scum for doing it, let alone 100%. also in what world do mafia direct blues? | ||
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On June 12 2014 23:07 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: He said Haru was breadcrumbing because he said he'd be posting cases N1. That is in no way a breadcrumb of anything and then he tried to get the medic to protect Haru because of it. It could be read as a bad attempt to divert the medic's attention away from more obvious targets. it could be... i just can't believe you'd think that though... like really? o.o what thought process would that involve? "hmm, here's a random post that I'm going to make look like it's a breadcrumb even though it isn't. Then I'm going to tell medics to protect this random dude based on this not-breadcrumb that the rest of the thread can clearly see is not a breadcrumb. the medics are bound to listen to me!" | ||
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On June 12 2014 23:26 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Coming from someone that said Round was scum for using a nickname i wouldn't put it past him to try that. The problem is it's difficult to tell if he's bad scum or just bad, that's why i FoS'd him. On their own they're not good enough reasons to lynch him but they count as points against him if he does something blatantly scummy down the road. I don't believe you: On June 11 2014 14:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Having said that here's a proper read. Exo (or is it EvO?) is town. Scum wouldn't be stupid enough to point out someone was breadcrumbing a power role in the thread and seeing as he's proved that he's a noob he wouldn't be smart enough to know the WIFOM potential of pointing it out as scum either. I think you are mafia. | ||
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"I don't think mafia would be stupid enough to pount out crumbs" nuh uh. | ||
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On June 13 2014 00:37 roundabound wrote: Marv, have you solved the game yet or are you mafia? You've had your 12-24 hours of quietness. Unless of course you're looking for me to carry you again i think you're not reading the game. | ||
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On June 13 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: marv, i think we can be friends. do you want to be friends? I love having new friends. | ||
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On June 13 2014 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: dude awesome. were going to have our own t shirts and everything. now take your pants off. you're teasing with the wrong dude | ||
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On June 13 2014 01:53 Bill Murray wrote: Yes there is. He has actually been decent in his filter. You just... had a weird interaction with him, and are now voting him. It makes no sense to me to rely on a bandwagon that has come about in a few pages I thought we were friends, marv. Is there a reason for this? Seems like you play maf like I play maf when I'm maf and I feel like you're maf now trying to protect your buddy you're just so bad it makes my head hurt. | ||
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I don't really think s&b is mafia. If there needs to be an alternative wagon, I think it should be ketomai. | ||
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then why are you characterising anything in my case as RVS when the point is he has made a sustained push across the whole game on points that he's called scummy but actually aren't? I mean... the mind boggles. | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:49 Bill Murray wrote: youre pushing something that happened during what would be the rvs you're the one misinterprettying OH THE IRONY haha you're making RVS up as a thing to justify bullshit and he has consistently defended the same arguments throughout the game. you know, not at the start. anyway, i'm done talking to you. you know what RVS stands for? Random Voting Stage Random Random Random Not "push someone for bad reasons and then carry on pushing those same bad reasons while adding other bad reasons" Random | ||
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anyway i'm out until 20-30 mins before lynch kotc - yay! s&b - kinda nay! ketomai - possiblay! etc | ||
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On June 13 2014 03:50 VayneAuthority wrote: "HurrDduRRr Im MarV Sheep me and if im wrong you never have to lsiten to me again HurRRP chillingly accurate except i always go back on the last bit | ||
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agreed, it isn't. further i can vouch for Holyflare's general schedule. and that's nothing to do with alignment. | ||
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huh? it's my opinion. I just like to state it as fact so that the town believes it's the actual truth. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:37 Bill Murray wrote: Marv, there's no guarantee we even HAVE A vig indeed, but with 8 blues i'm guessing we do. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote: can we switch to kush so i can go drink now? you should enjoy lynching a fellow brit with me. we're a terrible lot. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: kush should absolutely be vigged, no need to waste a lynch on that guy. but since holyflare is pushing him he must be like 1000% confirmed town. lol burn | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote: Relying on vig is bad. the simple fact of the equation is that we can't kill 5 people at once. so naturally people talk about vigis. it's just how things roll. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:49 ExO_ wrote: How is he playing even though? If you're town, what kind of strategy is it to go around telling people to lynch you? what kind of strategy is it as mafia??? | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:50 TicaTica wrote: Yah your wagon doesn't seem awful. I still don't like Obi though. I'm less fond of Palmer than you and sinani is giving me hesitations. go read Red Team's Prize then tell me sinani is the same alignment as that game | ||
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On June 13 2014 05:37 Alakaslam wrote: Skill Yeh so I Dinnae switch because I wasn't sure. See he's good enough at town that I don't like him as a d1 lynch. Feel free to vig me or something if you want. Otherwise any way I can conftown myself? that's precisely why you should have liked him as a d1 lynch. | ||
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I extrapolated it myself from his intro + sig, and you could easily have confirmed my theory on him but you chose to say nothing. Why didn't you tell me? | ||
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On June 13 2014 05:41 Holyflare wrote: that's what i was saying ~_~ yes but i stopped reading anything you said because you kept blabbering on about kush you see | ||
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"because" is not an answer for why you witheld that information from me. | ||
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On June 13 2014 06:13 kushm4sta wrote: something is deeply perverted in teh way people are getting plessure out of this game or waht or is it just me??? why aren't you calling anyone mafia? | ||
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On June 13 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: VayneAuthority Can you explain your poofter scum read? His big read post is just too insane for a scummer. Especially poofter scummer. call yourself scummer would be pretty insane | ||
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On June 13 2014 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote: sound familiar? that was from you only shoot once. so? he literally said "i'm gonna make a post just like i do when i'm mafia lol" i mean cmon vayne. | ||
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I'm not sure I like how he was on s&b, then he essentially agreed with my case but didn't move wagons. like... he said that koc could be bad or mafia, but he seemed way too certain on s&b being mafia who didn't seem to have done enough to warrant that certainty vs the umming and ahhing about koc dunno if i'm making too much of that or what. | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:17 mattisfoolish wrote: If it makes you feel better I checked all his past games before coming to that conclusion. would you mind telling me what led you to that conclusion then? | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:18 TicaTica wrote: Having played with him previously I'm pretty sure he's town. Specifically I find this game approach quite similarly to his first or second newbie game. He's a good player and I don't hate his targets. I'm actually more interested in why you think he's not town. i literally explained why? | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:40 mattisfoolish wrote: Biggest thing for me is the game where he's mafia here. Looks way different from this game (and is town games). In that game (where he's mafia) he's very abrasive, types in all caps a lot and goes "lol ur scum" a lot. His town games are much more laid back. For what it's worth I'm not as certain on Meapak as I was yesterday (when I would've day vigi'd him and not looked back). I want him to post a bunch so I can be sure. Also I thought DP was mafia yesterday but I don't think my opinion is shared there. It was me (Foolishness posting) Robik. Didn't sign it cause I had just posted and thought it would be obvious. ~Foolishness ok thank you, that makes sense. | ||
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On June 13 2014 17:30 Koshi wrote: nha, I agree with it. Just got to shoot the highest % chance scummer. Or shoot a guy that will get lynched the next day. If I had a gun I would shoot MZ over Kush. then you're silly. | ||
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If we want MZ to die then we try to lynch him, and as he is a pretty passable player by all accounts, he'll put up some sort of defence which will make it MUCH EASIER TO READ HIM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER the detritus won't. kush will just go "lolol i'm jester lynch me" as you can see. SLam will just go "hahahaha you can never read me". This isn't useful. MZ defending himself is useful. He is a lynch, not a shot. | ||
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Although you'd think mafia would have learnt not to do that by now, I fucking love killing those people. | ||
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If kush is mafia how do you make a good case to lynch him? You don't, you just hope that him not playing the game makes him mafia and you hope that most of town agrees with you and votes for something pretty coinflippy. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote: point me to a town game where he plays like this x_x? do you make anything of KotC having him as his vote? | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:09 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, please give us a legacy before the end of the night. I could really see a doublestack here. And obviously a vig should shoot unreadables like Kush and not people who do shit. It is not even a debate. I've grown too lazy in my old age to do legacies. Really medic should be on me and if we can make mafia use 2 of their already reduced KP to kill me, then it's like I've done my job twice. And if they don't use 2 KP on me they have a strong townie who's all but confirmed running around day 2. It's win win. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:14 justanothertownie wrote: I mean it is not unheard of that all 3 wagons are scum but I don't think that is very likely. Would mean the scumteam is totally incompetent. Ace (6) poofter (2) gumshoe (1) anyone else (0) sound familiar to you? :p | ||
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He then made 1 lazy +1 vote to Chrome's ritoky case 6 hours later, no reference to anything else. me-no-likey. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:27 Koshi wrote: He voted for himself and The last 5 people who did that were town. The last and probably only scum that did it was Malongo in Titanic 1. Long time ago. he didn't vote for himself. he made a sarcastic vote on himself to antagonise me. | ||
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it's totally disappearing after being active when i made my case it's not contributing anything to the thread while kotc wagon was taking place it's lazy +1 of some random case later | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:34 Koshi wrote: Yeah well. I don't see scum motive. You make case. He is angry. He votes himself. He comes back and votes some random guy. The most incriminating thing is that he came back right when the dust settled and Cats had 8 votes. Scum motive is that he has no fucking idea what to do when townie with massive thread influence makes a case on his scumbuddy so he abandons the thread. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote: No. I watched the world cup (after sheeping chrom because I dont have time to read) with friends and slept after that for 12 hours. I have just finished catching up with the thread and will post my stuff later, when I'm on a computer. Of course, you can choose not to believe me. World cup wasn't on during that time period. World cup opening ceremony wasn't until about 7pm my time | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:37 HaruRH wrote: ??? World cup started right when the lynch happened. I was already gone 1 hour before it. That's not when I was talking about. I'm talking about how you were active RIGHT UP to the point I made my case on KotC and then you disappeared for many hours. Could well be coincidence. Could also not be. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:42 HaruRH wrote: Sorry, I had no interest to read any of your cases at that point because I was quite pissed. I don't even know the reason for lynching kotc, I just assumed what chrom said was true and it was a giant sheepfest. coincidence or not, I believed my initial vote, snb to be more scummy and since everyone decided to go off the wagon, I chose chrom to sheep. Of course it was a giant sheepfest, sheeping marv is a +ev town tactic please make some reads based on the lynch or whatever before deadline, that would be really lovely. | ||
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On June 13 2014 20:47 HaruRH wrote: Posts and votes* I like votes more. Sometimes I tunnel. how would you analyse your own votes and reasons | ||
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On June 13 2014 20:55 HaruRH wrote: How would I analyse my own votes and reasons? Am I supposed to say I am scum? you're not "supposed" to say anything, was just curious. just given you call Rainbows reasons for switching to s&b weak, how does that compare to your reasons for switching to ritoky for example? | ||
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On June 13 2014 23:53 batsnacks wrote: Posting from phone. The only thing anyone has said about slam is that he neglected to share his info on cats, even when he was asked to. No one is analyzing things slam said, they are analyzing what he didn't say when he could, and should, have spoken up. yes...? | ||
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actively lurking is just some buzzword jargon that encompasses a whole range of stuff without really having any implications. I mean if you think he's disconnected from the game or around and yet not engaging, stick to calling it that, that actually has meaning | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:15 Chromatically wrote: Okay, my point is that he's here throughout the day and yet choosing not to comment on anything other than direct questions/arguments to him, nearly all of which concern only his read on me. If he was town he would be interested in events in the thread and would give other reads, if he was scum he would want to post in the thread as little as possible and maintain as few strong reads as possible. it's definitely possible he is mafia i already said on d1 why i was hesitant about lynching him then, and Foolish also said some stuff. | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:31 ketomai wrote: I don't see the problem with not being confident about anything on the first day. In fact, the "stunning" case marv made for KoC actually did not seem that convincing to me personally. The lynch was so easy (among other reasons) that it makes me think he could possibly be bussing. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to use more concrete evidence like voting patterns and associative evidence, which is not available on the first day. it's available now, knock yourself out | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote: I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done. I'd love to hear your case against me, btw. IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo) Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though. | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:53 Palmar wrote: Like that comment on MZ is asinine. it's matt though. | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Calling my shot on VA. are you for realsies? | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: 100% Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out. VA is actually playing the game a bit kush is claiming jester and begging to be lynched. please don't be a poopyhead. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:01 ketomai wrote: Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement. I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later. Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now. only roundabound said that. If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town. Nothing you say is particularly logical. And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite? | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean VA told us to lynch him too but since you nailed cats I'm willing to sheep you marv. I'm changing it now. See yall later. O.o unexpected. but ok. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:06 ketomai wrote: Lol, I would accept that comment from you if it were 3-4 days in, but it's been 1 day and 1 voting cycle. Not everyone can find mafia after 1 day like you can. And by easy read I meant he thought people would ignore it and it'd be inconsequential. It could be he did not think who he found evidence for mattered as long as it was easy and it seemed like he contributed. but it's not easy to find evidence that a team-mate is town, because they are not town it's easy to find evidence a townie is town, because they are town that's kinda the point of it being easy you see | ||
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Also batsnacks is very likely to be town based on only KotC's filter. That's the two useful associations from that flip and filter. Like I said before, mafia almost never throw out an "easy" solid townread on a scumbuddy as their opening read. Even less likely that someone who is bad at scum would do so. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote: oh yea we know mafia has a bunch of sick power roles so MZ rolling around shooting the easiest targets really doesnt sit well with me. I am fairly certain that kush and me are not mafia. interesting to say the least but I guess its consistent I thought this also. But then I thought MZ is taking a risk randomly claiming vigi like that. If there's a real vigi then he'd be super suspicious of MZ right now and i'm finding it hard thinking of anyone that MZ would win a showdown with if there was a counterclaim (which i don't think should happen right now, town may have two town vigis, even though i find this pretty unlikely, partly because of the pregame talk where the worry was that mafia did not have enough KP, so giving town a lot of KP does not make much sense). | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:19 Holyflare wrote: i wouldn't think it's very unlikely that town would have 2 vig's i would. for the reasons i said. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:19 VayneAuthority wrote: yea if we're gaming the setup then I think MZ is 100% mafia from a logical standpoint he has done nothing wrong not much more to say about that, gonna wait for night. that makes no sense, and is the opposite of what i was saying | ||
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On May 27 2014 07:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I offset that by adding a mafia vig as well as the two-time janitor shot. I might edit those mechanics, although I want to keep the basic KP mechanic as is. Or I'll make the vig a shitty player. like i really don't think town would have two 2-shot vigis. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote: I thought he was joking tbh if making the vig a shitty player is his real balance strategy then xD the point is that if mafia having enough KP is a worry, he would be unlikely to give town a lot of KP (2 2-shot vig) so yes, i think a town-vigi would be very suspicious of MZ right now which makes me think that mz wouldn't randomly claim. possibly. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:27 roundabound wrote: I think the dude whose name starts with K TMId the shit out of that. I think it was a subconscious thing to do knowing that you are actually mafia and actually bussing your teammate. It also doesnt give you much credit if SnB is maf PR or whoever else was on the chopping block. Boy you're too good to be true. Cant keep my eyes off of you. i hope you are mafia, because if not it turns out you are awful. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:34 Holyflare wrote: cop checking robik tonight is that before or after you shoot kush? :p | ||
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On June 14 2014 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: I still don't like his early read on Koshi. Since we are already talking about TMI this could be a legit case. why were you strongly townreading me on d1 when normally you're super wary of me? | ||
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On June 14 2014 05:04 batsnacks wrote: Maybe it's me that's weird then. no. i've just played with palmar an awful lot. you haven't. that's all | ||
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On June 14 2014 22:16 Rainbows wrote: Also that "ill sac myself then lynch rainbows" is scummy to hell. if he is town he doesnt know im my alignment, and no town would put all eggs in basket at the risk of two mislynches. Getting yourself lynched is stupid to prove something in this situation. townies say this sort of shit way more often than mafia do btw i'm skimming and i don't even know who you're referring to. | ||
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I haven't really had the time or energy to parse all the cases flying around since the daypost, and i'm not sure I will do. Makes me pretty sad palmar died, he could've helped. i guess like jat/koshi will have to rally the troops Instinctively it feels like there should be a mafia in the ritoky-Chrome argument, but I don't have anything to back that up and it may not be the case after all. Curious that ritoky pointed out that i was "town as fuk". why bother. | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:05 Amiko wrote: Vote Count - Day 2: roundabound (2): batsnacks, Holyflare Rainbows (1): HaruRH HaruRH (3): Rainbows, Chromatically, TicaTica Ketomai (1): kushm4sta (3): yamato77, Chromatically (2): ExO_, ritoky sandroba (0): mattisfoolish (5): marvellosity, gumshoe (1): mattisfoolish ritoky (1): VayneAuthority Erandorr (1): Chairman Ray what the fuck is this vote | ||
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On June 15 2014 14:30 roundabound wrote: Vote me then ~moc where the crap did this come from. | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:19 justanothertownie wrote: I will sheep you but keep in mind sandro also promised to be back day2 and nothing happened. yes, but he will probably be modkilled at this point. | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:20 justanothertownie wrote: Errandor is still in the game. But ok. CR it is. day 1 is not day 2. just got to ritoky's post on page 135-6 or so. i swear he didn't feel this disconnected from the game in Cell 2 anyone agree/disagree? | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: someone said he was disconnected in the last game too. and palmar said he claimed scum in his goodbye post. ._. ritoky seemed less blandly serious in that game. although i didn't follow uber closely. | ||
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why do you like CR's Erandorr vote then Koshi? how do we feel about yamato? I could kill yamato. I'm ok with Poofter after all because he posted some more when i thought he wouldn't have | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:39 yamato77 wrote: I think today has been a monumental waste. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato77 what have you done to fix it, yam? | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Nah jat i claimed vig day 1 and mz doing it at night with a rber on the hunt wouldn't make sense no that is shit logic Holy. shit logic. MZ's claim was 100000000000x more believable than yours. | ||
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On June 16 2014 05:04 TicaTica wrote: Don't you think he'd do a bit more as mafia though. Like a hair more. He was 50/50 early on for me, but I don't think he's mafia. I can reread him but nothing he's done really strikes me as mafia him. No. He really wouldn't. | ||
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On June 16 2014 06:12 Koshi wrote: ofc. I wanted to shoot Kush but then the guy claims to shoot Kush. Meh. I thought he was mafia going for cred or so. Or when the real vig would shoot Kush he gets cred. w.e I shot him. On June 14 2014 05:01 marvellosity wrote: also i thought MZ was town but for all the wrong reasons great fakeclaim MZ. although i hate fakeclaims. Bad MZ. unless he got shot by town, in which case you, sir, are a fucking moron. :> shooting kush would be really useful. maybe he flips mafia and either way it clears up a lot of stuff. | ||
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On June 16 2014 06:28 yamato77 wrote: I looked at your votes. Pretty much all of them are sheep marv votes. Especially the ones near EOD. at least he was doing something with his vote and actions. | ||
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yes. i'm not actually offering an opinion on whether it is the case or not, because hf may have been legit roleblocked but if i roleblocked someone as mafia and they wound up dead, i'd claim it or tell a team-mate to claim it | ||
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On June 16 2014 07:39 ExO_ wrote: marv day 1 you were able to figure out KotC was mafia. But today I didn't seem like you had the same edge as you did day 1, and you didn't really lead like you did day 1. What happened? No great reads? Less interest in the game, or time for the game? I'm not saying I think your scum, but after day 1 I find your day 2 play really, really odd and would like an explanation. mostly it was because i was away most of the weekend, i only got home when i started posting 1h before deadline. | ||
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On June 16 2014 09:19 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hello there Banks. Who won? Also, Slam is still town, don't shoot him. what's the basis for this read? | ||
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On June 16 2014 09:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Gut read. And I've played I think 2 games with Slam so far? He's been town, and it seems in this game he's town as well. Plus his responses to me haven't been off. Something wrong with my read? just seems pretty flimsy to be so confidently asserting he's town. | ||
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On June 16 2014 09:47 roundabound wrote: We got a window to chat about 4hrs ago. Aside from that, fuck all. We've talked a few times, but its all been superficial i dont liek xyz, but no counter arguments. ~moc it's fairly worrying how it seems like you're essentially playing 2 different games within one slot. i have robik shedding silly suspicion on me across multiple posts, and i have you acknowledging that i am pretty obviously town. i have robik not knowing what cases you've been pusihing. it's quite disconcerting and i don't like it. i don't know what it means though. | ||
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On June 16 2014 09:56 roundabound wrote: What it means is pretty straight forward. 2 guys with different approaches who have not gelled yet. I had the same problem in the Hydra only game where I was with GoodKarma. ~moc weren't you mafia that game? o.o | ||
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On June 16 2014 09:58 Tehpoofter wrote: To me it feels like I feel when I'm in a game with Robik and he is village he spouts off a whole bunch of stuff that makes me think he is a villager even if I don't agree with all of it. As wolf I think they would make a point of making sure they were holding the party line on who they thought was what and why. At least thats my 2 cents. Also reads coming up i've played with a lot of hydras (indeed in 2 hydra-only games) and that's actually not usually the case, even though it sounds like it should be. | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Wow really? That is surprising I've never hydrad or seen a wolf hydra that I recall they've all been villager. I will rethink a bit but I really am reading robik as wolf and Moc as village for agreeing with me on Ketowolf. (Hydra only game sounds fun) strange that you have them so town given your disquiet over robik | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:16 roundabound wrote: You shouldnt town read me just for agreeing on one case. Hopefully you liked my approach to dealing and trying to understand Keto instead. As for the hydra; I think the situation marv is referring to specifically does occur when a mafia hydra is under pressure and both ppl are posting off the cuff /(read: bullshitting) at the same time. ~moc no, that's not what i was referring to. my example with syllo/sandro wasn't a case of that. VE/whoever it was in that first game were also mafia because they weren't playing the same game. | ||
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sometimes you just don't feel things or don't really agree even though you can't say why very well. Rest assured I am reading and evaluating all your posts, and i pay attention to everyone's posts. so don't not play just because you're not receiving the feedback you want, just keep at it. | ||
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On June 16 2014 19:51 justanothertownie wrote: Do you think he did what he could to not let the things he complained about happen day2? no, but he accepted responsibility within the post too. | ||
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On June 16 2014 23:42 Holyflare wrote: yes because you actually perpetuated that shitty nonsense in the new discussion about how much you hated playing here because of the attitude of players and how mean they were to other players and then you go around calling people noobs, saying you don't even want to play and telling people to play on other sites to pass the time instead of playing in this game and when push comes to shove and you actually have to go play in this game you just can't be fucked it's appalling yeah this is fair unfortunately. | ||
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On June 17 2014 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, lol. That's the case with a few people actually (for me at least). super fast skim of his filter and he still looks ok to me. | ||
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after colouring in some random names on my spreadsheet, i'm kinda left with this sort of list: ritoky/sandroba/mattisfoolish/Chairman Ray/strongandbig/ketomai/(holyflare)/(vayne)/(kush)/(ninjabunnies) | ||
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On June 17 2014 00:41 justanothertownie wrote: Still not opposed to any of that although it is kinda mean to group bunnies with those 3. Can we just agree to lynch sandro if he doesn't deliver again? well i didn't much like the Slam thing, and I didn't like her rainbows over haru thing either. yeah we probably need to kill sandroba if he doesn't deliver something | ||
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On June 17 2014 00:51 Holyflare wrote: what don't you agree with? he followed 2 of his scum reads twice to lynch someone that was inferior to the person he mentioned as following their scum meta before (sandroba) and then didn't end up voting for his actual scum read that does sound convincing but i'm not convinced by it. can't elucidate why, sorry :/ | ||
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On June 17 2014 05:28 yamato77 wrote: And aren't shooting... why? It's a rather elaborate play to not use vig KP early just so you can janitor your own scumbuddy (kush) in order to hide/disguise the vig KP. i've been jailed twice. | ||
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On June 17 2014 05:48 roundabound wrote: There's a distinction between jail and RB from mods? yup | ||
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On June 17 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i remember looking at it and thinking it had merit, but i cant remember it at all and probably need to look it over again. also, yes, it is bullshit. killing someone for sheeping is like newbie game level scumhunting. yes, i can't express how bad that line of reasoning is. Just terrible really. | ||
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I don't know what's difficult to understand about what I said :p he was pursuing batsnacks for quite a while but then dropped it when batsnacks explained it to his satisfaction, and that seemed kinda townie to me | ||
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On June 17 2014 06:23 justanothertownie wrote: Are you joking? You are the tyrant of this town. | ||
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In his first "notes" post, the apparent contradiction where he says he didnd't like Koshi's listpost and he didn't like Rainbows' case on Koshi arising from this. I think s&b would be wary of posting that as mafia I thought what he said about Rainbows wasn't so bad, about the overelaboration of the read, although i don't necessarily agree "also - I feel like mattchew would have no problem spamming as scum?" that line on the end of his post talking about mif/sandroba. don't know why i find that townie. he commented on CR as kinda suspicious but then said he didn't think he'd lynch him then. if s&b is mafia and CR is town, he could easily just hop on that wagon. if CR is mafia with s&b, there's literally no reason for s&b to go "yeah he's suspicious" and then not vote for him. s&b has hardly had any stellar activity, it would just be like 100000x simpler for him to say nothing at all at that stage. | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote: Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives. What really bugs me about this is that so often gumshoe actually doesn't play the games he signs up for properly. like he's telling someone what they need to do as town but just as often as town he's like "yeah lol not playing dis because i'm not interested" trying to think whether this hypocrisy makes him mafia. kinda hedging yes? | ||
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On June 17 2014 06:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: The thing is, I really don't want to lynch off the ones who were townie d1(imo), and then dropped off. that's like exactly what mafia do in practically every game. Poofter in Cell 2 not ringing any bells for you? | ||
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On June 14 2014 19:36 gumshoe wrote: Never said I had a problem with you, merely that I expect great things? Why? Because I bilieve in you Exo : P which is more than I can say for myself. gumshoe spends an awful lot of time talking to Exo for someone he doesn't have a problem with :/ | ||
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On June 17 2014 15:29 roundabound wrote: yeah, no shit. we can leave him for later though. you are an idiot. this is your warning that your opinion in any future game holds zero weight, because you are so much of an idiot. | ||
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On June 17 2014 18:01 roundabound wrote: I have like 30 possible reasons -- two which stand out being: a bunch of mafia were being voted on or mafia weren't around. Assumptions can make an ass out of you and me though. Oh, it's really tough to push against a wagon of a mafia teammate who isn't there. Mafia would get really self-conscious about it wondering if it would make them look scummy. Having said all that, MIF has managed to escape lynch twice then, so mafia did something right if MIF is maf. None of that sounds very convincing though. Mafia all just afk? We managed to be on a bunch of correct wagons? Well we know that's not true, we know that Haru flipped town and Haru was one of the 3-vote wagons at that time. I don't think it's that tough to push against a 5-vote wagon, you just push someone else who you're not pushing for being afk :/ I hate having to rely on rank incompetence in order for something to be true. And that's how it seems atm. Although it's definitely possible. Maf doing something right would in this case mean not trying to save their buddy in any way and hoping marv changes his mind based on this (even though he did not even begin to look like he would on d1 when the wagon was easy) | ||
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On June 17 2014 19:24 Holyflare wrote: There's the alternate theory that they're all town and mafia didn't have to do anything yup. | ||
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On June 17 2014 19:27 Holyflare wrote: Far far far more people wanted to kill mif rather than sandroba even though they all say sandroba is playing to mafia meta which kinda implies the obvious well mif was posting, but posting badly/sparsely. sandroba was just literally totally afk. | ||
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On June 17 2014 19:29 Holyflare wrote: Actually no he returned for a crap vote in shadow yes, sandroba got lynched because he returned and posted a few really, really terrible posts. | ||
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maybe s&b is the safer lynch after all. dunno. it's kinda tempting to give robik what he wants. like life would be 100000000x easier if whoever is town out of that lot actually made a fucking effort and helped eliminate an option :/ | ||
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On June 17 2014 19:37 justanothertownie wrote: Correct. The amount of inactive/not rying players is too damn high. They can't all be mafia. The corollary to that is that it makes it super hard to figure out any active mafia player, because you spend all your time worrying about the horribly scummy lurkers. it's like a snowball of shite. | ||
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On June 17 2014 21:07 strongandbig wrote: ##vote: mattisfoolish Just to make sure I don't mess it up again why aren't you playing the game? | ||
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On June 18 2014 00:40 Rainbows wrote: I like his point about gumshoe calling out keto but not calling him scum. in an ideal world, that'd make them both mafia | ||
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On June 18 2014 00:44 sinani206 wrote: I've never played with gumshoe before. How experienced is he? Reasonably experienced. Not massively strong, but not weak either, overall. When he's invested as town he's pretty good. | ||
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On June 18 2014 11:56 batsnacks wrote: Roundabound, poofter, and sinani were my initial scum reads day 1. None of them ever sufficiently convinced me otherwise, but poofter flipped town so I was at least wrong about him. Bunnies' play is very similar to last game when she was mafia; it is worth mentioning I guessed her alignment correctly last game. One of marv/hf is mafia in my opinion because there is no way they are both still alive as town. Sand/MIF because afk scum tactics. CR maybe because he came into the thread all thoughtful, thorough and trying but now he doesn't care. how do you propose i should have died exactly? | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:00 roundabound wrote: JK needs to not JK marv tonight. Just let medic put a protection on him. Marv is needed tonight for serious business. oh please tell me you didn't. | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks, if we put any stock into marv's protection claim, then he's obviously going to be alive for quite a while. idk about hf though, i have him as town as of right now but its a toss up because his scumhunting is always weird imo. also, robik, answer my question. ive got a brand to maintain and im not gonna rep total shmucks. Any stock? It's virtually guaranteed to be true? lol. People are so weird. | ||
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What I don't get is why we have a massive discussion thread about behaviour when the "behaviour" that is really deleterious to our games is people not putting in any effort. Even if the thread is super long, you can still filter a few of the consensus mafia reads and give reasons why they are/aren't mafia. That's the real stain on mafia games, people not trying or giving a shit. Not someone saying fuck you occasionally or whatever. | ||
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On June 18 2014 20:45 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to have to look at your reasoning on the first three. Also, I'm going to check on the validity of the 27nb read. I disagree with the marv/hf reasoning in principle, as I've seen marv left alive for days and days and days as a town leader before. Sand/MIF isn't stunning reasoning, but meh. CR is definitely somewhat believable. Overall, though, at least you had some reasons when I put you on the spot. Looking at my database, I can't see anything obvious. YOSO I was left alive as a replacement even though we just lynched mafia one after another. Maybe Les Mafia I was vaguely town-leadery and left alive? Other than that I can't see anywhere obvious where I was left alive beyond 3 cycles. | ||
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On June 19 2014 02:09 TicaTica wrote: I don't see MILF as mafia. Sandroba's going to die regardless likely. CR was the only major thing that stuck out to me last night. His ketomai read was completely nonsense. can't even find a ketomai read in his filter? ... | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:58 justanothertownie wrote: Btw. marv where are you? Washing poop off my car. Then eating. | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:31 roundabound wrote: The lack of excitement in your tone/realization of this fact is quite noticeable. dunno what you're trying to say babe. also lol spain. | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:44 roundabound wrote: marv, have you figured out what's going on yet? possibly, although i'm known for being pretty stupid about such things. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:03 roundabound wrote: If 0/3 you're back on the chopping blocks bitch! na. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote: You are joking right? It was announced not voting again today would result in modkill. this this this this this | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: What an easy task with this many lurkers remaining. /s it does at least give information, it's not totally useless. just requires looking at everyone again to make use of it, which isn't very appetising right now. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:40 ritoky wrote: i am just going to say this much: people, including you have been pushing hard on lurkers. 3 lurkers just died, all vt. after it flips, the majority of the next targets posted by people thus far are more lurkers. you might want to re-assess your stances on a lot of the people you just cleared. do you think it's likely all lurkers are town? | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:43 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't know if I can speak the same for you, but after that flip, I kinda just want the game to end. It must be a pretty good boost for anyone who's mafia though. Also kind of fishy when you're the only one who's trying to figure the game out at the start of the night phase. You don't think that maybe the mafia might try to kill you for it? So what if they do? How is that even a point? Don't play the game because mafia might nightkill you? Are you fucking serious? | ||
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On June 19 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm just going to vote marv tomorrow. good plan. | ||
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On June 19 2014 07:19 Rainbows wrote: No mass claimarino until mylo i had lylo/mylo-1 in my head less wiggle room for mafia. anything goes in l/mylo | ||
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On June 19 2014 14:54 Chromatically wrote: This whole sequence is so bad. Like CR didn't do anything with the lynch today, and then he acts like he's super depressed after the flip? He hasn't been invested in the game at all, so why would he be so sad about the flip that he thinks round is scum for not being sad? ya. agreed. | ||
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On June 19 2014 16:27 ExO_ wrote: I'm keeping up with the thread, but right after I got active it seemed like the game went downhill. Yesterday was a disaster :/ The answer is not then "go totally inactive" | ||
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Not sure why VA is on your townlist? | ||
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On June 20 2014 01:48 VayneAuthority wrote: give me a reason to participate then. its your fault as much as anyone else's. the spam in this game and the sheeping is ludicrious. literally 0 reason to play so fuck off buddy. because you're normally such a beacon of effort | ||
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On June 20 2014 03:50 justanothertownie wrote: This is even worse now that we know that basically all the targets we would have given him were town. yes. | ||
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On June 20 2014 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: hf i dont get how you can scumread someone for tunneling people. like i made a big deal of this before and chrom/rainbows are still scumreading and fighting each other practically every time theyre in the thread, so whats the difference between ritoky and them? the difference is that they were constantly engaging each other. where is ritoky's engagement with chrome? | ||
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On June 20 2014 04:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: HF getting it the last few minutes of the night!!!! GJ buddy! Also, TICA, definitely on the list!!!! Almost forgot about that! And incase I die in the night, Ritoky, Batsnacks, Slam, Tica, VA, Keto, and (JAT cause I still don't want to let him slide for sheeping). Kaykay. you seem more and more like mafia to me, bunnies. | ||
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HELLO JAILER. I TRIED TO DROP HINTS YESTERDAY BUT YOU DIDNT GET THEM. STOP JAILING ME I WANT TO USE MY BLOODY ACTIONS | ||
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not quite the same ^_^ | ||
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please hold. | ||
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On June 20 2014 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont believe you. i am going to rub my stupid against your stupid so we can be stupid in unison. let us dance. don't care what you believe, that's what it was. | ||
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On June 20 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote: Piece of shit team actually the worst of it is that i think we've generally played pretty ok, better than we usually do at big events in the last 10 years. but no dice. | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:04 VayneAuthority wrote: chairman ray is gumshoe tier, this could honestly be a scum or town lynch there is no way to tell no, his comments after the last flip is a big thing that differentiates him from gumshoe. | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:12 VayneAuthority wrote: im speaking in general from previous games, he is similar to gumshoe in that no matter what they say or what they do, it doesnt mean anything it does. dunno if you remember YOSO but i had gumshoe as slightly town until he came in and dropped the case on you, which was a "ping" moment and he was very suspicious from then on. those CR comments are a "ping" moment | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:30 ExO_ wrote: If we're not gonna go after chrom, then I think CR is a decent lynch. Suspected him since day 1. ##ChairmanRay need you to play a bit more than you're playing atm buddy. | ||
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On June 20 2014 07:05 ExO_ wrote: I am playing. I tried being super active and talking, and that didn't do anything. The people in charge are the ones making short posts spamming and voting all over the place. That seems to be effective this game, so I think I'll stick to this. I'll continue to do what I can for town and to win, and I don't see anything else I could post that would help. Or do you want my advice on who I think is mafia and why, because let's face it last time I gave that nothing came of it in the slightest. Pretty sure I already talked to you about exactly this. You need to participate so people can get a (better) read on you, and people do read your posts. "what you can do for town" is making yourself really obviously town by getting your thought process on players into the thread. | ||
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you best tell us who you think these active mafia players are and why | ||
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On June 20 2014 17:24 TicaTica wrote: HF is probably scum. Let's just be honest. Alive d3 or 4 or whatever it is and... I don't think I actually need a case. To be fair though, Marv could be mafia here instead of HF. Marv's case wasn't quite one that I really got; it kinda reminded me of HF's Suki bus in whatever game that was. Regardless, he is likely unlynchable until mylo and HF I don't think would want to double stack Marv. Palmar: "the case was good enough that I immediately sheeped it" Only good players got it? | ||
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in YOSO he said Poofter was "very townie" or words to that effect. Not to bash Foolishness but I don't particularly trust his townreads in a game he barely bothered to play. | ||
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he was pushing hard for a Haru (town) lynch on a day when there was a wagon on mif (town) and yamato (town). Only small possibility is if CR is mafia (the guy I wagoned in between like mif and yamato). Even then though I remember Tica pushing Haru pretty hard once I was wagoning yamato at the end of the day. Like he really wanted that lynch. That's pretty good reason for Tica-town. | ||
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The "small possibility" means "he could be mafia in this case, but I would still find it pretty darn unlikely, given yamato was the EOD wagon and he was still pushing it super hard then" | ||
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On June 20 2014 18:22 Holyflare wrote: Geript does this all the time as either alignment. His post before the mif lynch yesterday is retarded and completely outweighs the +town points for doing what he does normally. no, it's quite different as both alignments. not spending one moment more talking about it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + who am i kidding, yea you do | ||
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On June 20 2014 19:02 TicaTica wrote: Iirc I think he's an ok lynch but I'm not in a mindset to filter him now. I think I had a weird townread on him early though so I'd have to go back and weigh the two. In one of the quotes Holy just quoted, you stated that the only thing that jumped out at you was "CR's nonsense read on ketomai" | ||
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On June 21 2014 02:56 roundabound wrote: I wanna lynch the shit out of SnB for his recent posts. He's blatantly trying to push us away from lynching his scum partners at this point. He is calling towny people scum for playing towny and trying to clear scum based off of an illogical argument. ##vote SnB this only makes sense if you flip the people you say he's defending and they flip mafia. you don't lynch someone for defending unflipped, potential mafia -.- | ||
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I wonder if CR's "filter diving" was anything like KotC's filter diving... :> | ||
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On June 21 2014 04:51 VayneAuthority wrote: if chairman and snb are truly the only choices id rather go with snb because at least that is an information flip. they aren't. ketomai/ritoky are pretty valid choices also. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:29 ritoky wrote: well i do, so all i am gonna say is that you and 27nb aren't sippin da same cool-aid na, now you've said this, please be totally explicit. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote: this seems to happen in every game, the people that get the most important town roles are always morons so much this. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:42 ritoky wrote: how about this, now that you know 27nb and you aren't the same alignment, could you go read her filter and give me some thoughts sir? this is literally totally unnecessary. if nb came back mafia, then no-one needs to give any thoughts. we just lynch her. | ||
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There was once a player called ghost_403, and a game called Emergency Mafia. ghost_403 was a real cop! And it was MYLO. And he had a RED CHECK on someone. What did ghost do? He said nothing! And town lynched town! So town lost, right? No! The mafia got modkilled! And town ended up winning the game. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote: because people have been setting up an easy low hanging fruit ML on me for days now, and every indication from you has been that our 1 protective role is a jailkeeper, not a straight doctor; i was in no threat of dying and wanted 1 more check. i also wanted you alive as long as possible, if i come out yesterday you die or i die. but we could have lynched mafia yesterday... omg. | ||
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christ on a bike. | ||
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fucking precisely. | ||
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Just clearing that one up. | ||
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On June 20 2014 05:01 marvellosity wrote: you seem more and more like mafia to me, bunnies. ##Vote: ninjabunnies | ||
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Fin. | ||
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EVERYONE STOP POSTING ANYTHING UNTIL HE REVEALS HIS CHECK | ||
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i'd love to have this resolved by then. Not knowing will make me really really mad. | ||
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oh well. 15 mins ritoky, don't let me down. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote: could you tell me why it is such a big deal that someone basically just tjsalt ragequit? i don't think that wanting the 2 people who have opposite alignments to give reads before i give out the alignments is the worst play ever. so please explain it to me. because there are 11-12 people in the game who just want to lynch mafia, and you are stopping them for no reason. If I were the townie and you had checked me, I would know my alignment and I would tell you to fuck off and vote the other guy. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote: could you tell me why it is such a big deal that someone basically just tjsalt ragequit? i don't think that wanting the 2 people who have opposite alignments to give reads before i give out the alignments is the worst play ever. so please explain it to me. Put it this way: I am telling Chrome and bunnies explicitly that they do not have to do anything. There, now there's no extra information. Now let us lynch god-damn mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:07 ritoky wrote: i am stalling them with the hopes of getting more info so that we can lynch more subsequent mafia. because either i am going to be kept alive and roleblocked by the jailkeeper (no more checks) or die (no more check) well fucking stop it They aren't going to give you more info. There's a reason everyone thinks you're being a dick. And it's not because you're not being a dick. | ||
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and i'm going out in 5 minutes or so T.T | ||
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roundabound: don't you remember what I said in our fun about bunnies? ^^ | ||
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So either you're a newfound genius overturning all the knowledge of people with a wealth of experience, or the people with a wealth of experience might be right. | ||
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who was the 3rd check though? who did you try? | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:18 roundabound wrote: I FOS everyone that insta-assumed it was bunnies btw. Knowing that bunnies is the red check before he outed it is fucking scummy mc scummerson yeah good luck with that :> mainly i misread/interpreted and then two ppl followed me i think :/ | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:59 Rainbows wrote: marv is there amy reason to not lynch ritoky right mow? if he is town game is pretty much over imo. And we would lose this game because all town is lurkobg or fakeclaiming like mafia There is a decent chance he could be town, but we have to lynch him. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:04 ritoky wrote: i am gonna be mad as a bat if the mafia ends up being chrom (GF), rainbows, 27nb cuz then it was just lack of confidence in my reads at that point. No it was fakeclaiming like a moron. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:08 ritoky wrote: as opposed to sitting through 50 total post day phases where the only thing said is "lynch lurkers!" now mind you i wasn't really helping that the last day phase. but i play mafia for fun, and this game had reached a 0 fun level for me. like i said, it ended up being a bad play, and i expect to be lynched for it, but at least the game is more fun and alive again. Just no. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:08 TicaTica wrote: I had the reverse reaction. Like there are lots of god awful town claims but they rarely come out this bad. Like I really didn't believe this shit at all. It felt absolutely nothing like Wave (shoutout Wubby) claiming in The Game. This isn't right at all. | ||
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That said there's little point in berating you anymore | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:54 VayneAuthority wrote: i cant believe the AtE is actually affecting some people, but then again epicmafia has hardened me towards this since in 10-15 minute days it is some of the most effective mafia tactics in a pinch because people dont have as much time to think and will make mistakes. It's nothing to do with ate. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: ketomai | ||
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On June 22 2014 02:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ketomai probably isnt mafia. but i really dont care if we lynch him because hes being dead weight and seems to be totally content with that. his existence in this game aggravates me. name 5 mafia then. | ||
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Carry on. | ||
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On June 22 2014 04:38 roundabound wrote: Marv, what the shit are you doing? voting for someone i think has a good shot of being mafia instead of the dude i think is town? | ||
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but i didn't think so round. and i didn't argue the fuck for people to vote for anyone because i wasn't sure. that's just what i think. | ||
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Back to the football. | ||
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On June 22 2014 05:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: told you ketomai was town. im not townreading marv anymore, this is getting ridiculous. boohoo. | ||
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the janitor thing is so god-damn annoying. i hate janitors. | ||
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On June 22 2014 23:12 Holyflare wrote: Much afk here. Don't give up. i'm still ok. out till 9am this morning so a bit worse for wear :/ | ||
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