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/in first game, but understand the rules through lurking
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On June 04 2014 17:29 ketomai wrote: edit: actually nvm, didn't realize the other one was still open!
Why not join 2 games at once (like me)
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On June 10 2014 12:59 Epishade wrote:Don't think you're good enough to coach after voting on the wrong person and splitting your vote from Haruhi?
Who's haruhi?
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I meant it as a sarcastic way lol. If you want to refer to a unknowing god who nearly destroyed the world by putting it in a loop, oh well.
Haruhi dance anyone?
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On June 10 2014 21:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 20:38 DarthPunk wrote:I fucking LOVE that anime. Except the endless Eight was boring by the 4th episode or so. 2nd episode * The final movie was excellent though
Unlike you heretics I finished all episodes, and I even watched them in the suggested chronological episode.
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EBWOP I watched s1 and s2 twice.
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On June 10 2014 21:43 DarthPunk wrote:I hoped you guys watched it in Japanese with fan subs. The english dub was cringe worthy IMO. I haven;t gone that far yet. the only anime I have watched twice is Toradora! so cute.
Watched toradora once, was my first anime. much feels.
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On June 12 2014 00:43 ExO_ wrote: /out
Sorry but I'm having a hard enough time just keeping track of the other mafia, don't think I could do 2 at once very well
watch me do it
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Slam I hope you're okay with me playing 2 games at once. I can multitask very well :D
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Can't wait to play with JWZ again. Sorry how DM turned out!
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On June 17 2014 21:51 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 20:39 Teemursu wrote:On June 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote: I love tiramisu Let's roll town together! <3 im not allowed to join this game :'(
Dayum. I'll roll town in your honour
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On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are?
such a scummy answer.
##Vote: The_Templar
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On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are?
Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI.
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On June 18 2014 15:38 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote: You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. This makes absolutely no sense. Templar jumped on the Cats wagon to begin with after 2 people voted for Cats first. No way a mafia would jump at that opportunity to vote off their own member so easily. Cats' countervote was because he was suspicious of Templar being a third vote on him. How you conclude these two are mafia partners is beyond excuse. If it were allowed, I'd triple vote you, but for now, I'll just stick to double voting you instead. Not to mention you change your opinion about Haruhi between posts, when she's not even posted and there's been no discussion about her. I don't know what kind of game you're trying to pull here, but it smells pretty scummy to me. And then you believe I'm mafia for voting for you? I'd have appreciated a more in-depth analysis about myself here from you for your reasoning, but that appears to be the total extent to which you justify your vote (that being - my voting on you), as nothing is otherwise stated. But when you justify a vote for Templar based on Haruhi's flawed reasoning without any extra thought put into it, of course I'm gonna vote for you. You look incredibly scummy for just accepting Haruhi's case without any analysis of your own, and just sheeping off of what she said. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI. The use of 'they' implies at least 1, in some forms of colloquial English use. Haruhi's nitpicking here isn't entirely correct in that what Templar said doesn't tell us there is more than 1 scum. It tells us that there is at least[/i 1 scum, which we could already assume would be the case anyways as this is the norm in mafia. I'll excuse her for now though because she's from Singapore, and so I can only assume English is either not her first language or that she was brought up to believe that some words could not have multiple varied uses and meanings.
She's high on my list regardless, though, but I think your trying to sheep onto Templar instead of Cats could imply a partnership between you and Cats, and your willingness to vote for Templar based on flawed logic is what makes me more inclined to vote for you first.
Such personal attacks. Anyway, it's a he, not a she. In singapore, everyone's first language is english.
Now, your assumption of having 2 or more mafia is wrong. Yes, it's true it is a standard mafia game, but it is hosted by [I]alakaslam . He could have given 2kp to 1 mafia, or hoodwink us into thinking there might be more than 1, even though only 1 exists. Such is the unpredictability of alakaslam. Standard english definition of 'they' is for '2 or more'. Unfortunately, having english as your first language does not guarantee knowledge of colloquial english, which we must avoid in our further discussions.
Given how you're defending templar, one can only assume you are either helping your scum partner or earning town creds when templar flips town. We shall decide after lynch which case was it.
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On June 18 2014 23:31 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 13:23 Alakaslam wrote:On June 18 2014 02:25 Epishade wrote:
I'm gonna be out a lot of Thursday through Saturday/Sunday. As long as you can get at least some meaningful posts in it's generally not a huge concern. On June 18 2014 00:11 The_Templar wrote: Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon. Can I /out? My schedule also sucks.
Tell you what. Since I have work, and other folks have stuff, and GlowingBear seems to be gone, I will wait until Friday for the bear. If he does not confirm, jonhy- will replace GlowingBear by actually being here. Then, we will start any day between Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.
Deadline would be 04:00 GMT (+00:00) because I need it to be so late. Thawwee.
Lemme know.
Btw Templar you may out whenever, just after game start is discouraged. Even then though that is why I still want folks to /replace!
But again our schedules are similarly suxxu The deadline is exactly the earliest that I generally can not make it. Can you make it half an hour earlier? Sunday and Monday are fine for me though. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI. Can we not assume that there is more than one mafia? We can safely assume the host is not an idiot considering he has hosted this newbie game (therefore he has lots of experience with mafia and knows how basic setups work). If there is one mafia and there are only roles listed in the OP, there are 12 town. Impossible, even for a magician such as Alakaslam. You on the other hand, you are interesting. You quoted that post twice, claiming I was scummy, on the same page. What's up with that? And then someone comes out of nowhere and says your case is "solid". Yeah, ok. Trying to make your opinion look more popular, it seems, on a weak case. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 13:37 Teemursu wrote: HaruRH's case is solid.
Too town to be town. So I can't be town because I'm obviously town? LOL ok. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote: You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. I have also drawn some connections. Everyone that has posted recently except Teemursu is mafia. Including the host. These are the same connections that Teemursu has drawn. Obviously, we should lynch all the mafia. And since everyone that doesn't post, everyone except Teemursu will be dead before night 2. See what happens when you get as paranoid as you are?
No. I'm sure you, templar, is the godfather while everyone else who isn't in this game are all mafias, including the host. Stop trying to convince us not to lynch you. Of course, you can tell us to rolecheck you, which will turn out green anyway.
Tell your scumbuddies to hide in their scum QT. No mercy for marv/slam/anyone involved.
We ain't lynching nydus today. We are only lynching nydus on the last day so that we can laugh at the scum.
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On June 18 2014 23:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote:On June 18 2014 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 13:23 Alakaslam wrote:On June 18 2014 02:25 Epishade wrote:
I'm gonna be out a lot of Thursday through Saturday/Sunday. As long as you can get at least some meaningful posts in it's generally not a huge concern. On June 18 2014 00:11 The_Templar wrote: Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon. Can I /out? My schedule also sucks.
Tell you what. Since I have work, and other folks have stuff, and GlowingBear seems to be gone, I will wait until Friday for the bear. If he does not confirm, jonhy- will replace GlowingBear by actually being here. Then, we will start any day between Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.
Deadline would be 04:00 GMT (+00:00) because I need it to be so late. Thawwee.
Lemme know.
Btw Templar you may out whenever, just after game start is discouraged. Even then though that is why I still want folks to /replace!
But again our schedules are similarly suxxu The deadline is exactly the earliest that I generally can not make it. Can you make it half an hour earlier? Sunday and Monday are fine for me though. On June 18 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI. Can we not assume that there is more than one mafia? We can safely assume the host is not an idiot considering he has hosted this newbie game (therefore he has lots of experience with mafia and knows how basic setups work). If there is one mafia and there are only roles listed in the OP, there are 12 town. Impossible, even for a magician such as Alakaslam. You on the other hand, you are interesting. You quoted that post twice, claiming I was scummy, on the same page. What's up with that? And then someone comes out of nowhere and says your case is "solid". Yeah, ok. Trying to make your opinion look more popular, it seems, on a weak case. On June 18 2014 13:37 Teemursu wrote: HaruRH's case is solid.
Too town to be town. So I can't be town because I'm obviously town? LOL ok. On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote: You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. I have also drawn some connections. Everyone that has posted recently except Teemursu is mafia. Including the host. These are the same connections that Teemursu has drawn. Obviously, we should lynch all the mafia. And since everyone that doesn't post, everyone except Teemursu will be dead before night 2. See what happens when you get as paranoid as you are? No. I'm sure you, templar, is the godfather while everyone else who isn't in this game are all mafias, including the host. Stop trying to convince us not to lynch you. Of course, you can tell us to rolecheck you, which will turn out green anyway. Tell your scumbuddies to hide in their scum QT. No mercy for marv/slam/anyone involved. We ain't lynching nydus today. We are only lynching nydus on the last day so that we can laugh at the scum. Your claim isn't even possible, because nobody that's not in this game has a role from this game. At this point you're making stuff up. ##Unvote##Vote: HaruRH
Its the logical conclusion I arrived at through consideration of epishade's point (more than 1 mafia) and my point (1 mafia in game).
Or are you afraid I'll expose your secret of hiring 30 russian squirrels as mafia?
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Right, I'll use my mayor power today.
##Court
Through court, multiple lynch can happen. Also, I'll have (total no. of votes - total number of mafia = 9) votes, thus I can vote for 9 people, or split into 3 votes for 3 targets.
[B]##Vote:The_Templar [b] x3 [B]##Vote:Marv [b] x3 [B]##Vote:Alakaslam [b] x3
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Opps
##Vote:The_Templar x3 ##Vote:Marv x3 ##Vote:Alakaslam x3
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EBWOP: Judge power. Too long since I played mafia on wc3/sc2.
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On June 19 2014 01:00 The_Templar wrote: Feeling good about quadruple posting?
Only part of tl where it is appropriate to do so. So yea.
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On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote: Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society!
Stop lying about me being a girl. Lynch all liars.
##Vote: Epishade
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On June 19 2014 03:54 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2014 03:49 The_Templar wrote:On June 19 2014 03:48 The_Templar wrote:On June 19 2014 03:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote: Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society! He's just reaction testing you. You have failed. ## Unvote
## Vote: Epishade He made the correct reaction of using logic. Unfortunately, you have determined that since this is a newbie game, nobody actually uses logic unless he's working with other people to come up with logical-seeming statements, and that he must be town. This is absurd, of course, but in order to hide your fellow mafia's stupid statement, you have brought out the "Oh he was obviously testing mafia" line. ##Unvote
##Vote: NydusHerMain EBWOP: Sorry, didn't see the above post. ##Vote: NydusHerMain Not paying attention to the game... even bolded blue text... clearly mafia ##Vote: The_Templar The post was 2 minutes before mine. I spent 3 minutes writing that post and didn't refresh. But you can pretend that missing a post or two automatically makes someone mafia. ##Vote: NydusHerMain
lynch ALL liars
##Vote: The_Templar
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Let's do some introductions first :D
Hello, I'm Haru. This is my third official mafia game on tl.
I know templar since I was one of those who laughed at how scarlett called him out. I know nydus too, I remember your time as clg's sub. I felt sad that rainbows isn't playing here after I saw his popcorn post I also know jabberwockzerg from the last newbie mafia.
That's about all :D
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On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.
Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/
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On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game?
Just an exaggeration of the situation But it is not that far fetched, people did get modkilled and they posted around the same amount as you did.
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On June 21 2014 23:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hi, I'm jabber 2nd game here, 1st one ended with a day 1 lynch for me, so I'm hoping not to repeat that. Played with Haru before, possibly some others. I've been lurking on TL for a couple years, now I'm playing a lot of Magic: the Gathering and League, and I'm laughably bad at both. I'm lik ethe hugest Star Trek fan so I'm pretty hype about the flavor. Just got out of school, so I should have plenty of time which is sweet
Yay it's jabber :D
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On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both.
Uh, do you really think this is a play?
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Too early for scumtell in my opinion. Let everyone post first. I would like to hear an introduction from everyone :D
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On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people.
Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both.
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On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early.
I'm pretty sure you meant this for teemu and Templar.
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On June 22 2014 01:19 Amiko wrote: As a reminder, do not edit posts in the thread. You can make a second post which corrects the first.
Among other reasons, this is a rule so that people don't have different information depending on when they enter a thread and so you do not change/remove information you wrote earlier in the game
Where is the countdown timer?
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On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. Show nested quote + -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.
Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway.
I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy.
##Vote: lord tolkien
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Jwz? Epishade? Glowingbear? By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell.
I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy.
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On June 22 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 11:40 HaruRH wrote: Jwz? Epishade? Glowingbear? By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell.
I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy. Why would you lynch those 3? They have done nothing suspicious yet, while scott has. Scott may be a convenience for Tolkien, explaining his sudden appearance and lynch vote. It is more likely that you haven't read most of Tolkien's posts. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. Teemu has however been the main driver of the conversation. More (relevant) posts=good for town. It's my initial impression from someone who hasn't played with him, but he's as solid of a read as I have currently. Scott's post about modkilling (just saw that) continues the trend of non-contribution, yes. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Cut some unimportant parts of the last post out. He explained pretty thoroughly why he's doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's important to post something over nothing, but Scott hasn't actually posted anything. Scott's 'important' posts: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote: Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled. On June 22 2014 09:49 scott31337 wrote: Interesting bandwagon to start with - I'm often more passive and observant then talking a lot out of my ass - It's just how I am in real life.
The reason I personally see Templar as town so far is his reads on the others, and for his informative reads, someone we wouldn't out just yet.
Looks like I need to read more and get more experience, to be honest.
"I like this and I agree with you" "I have no leads. Being talkative can be bad. Templar seems town, anyone who hasn't posted might be scum." "Arguments are good, I like a point you made." "Interesting that you vote me. I still think Templar is town so far. I need to do more." And… he hasn't done any more. That will continue, whether he's mafia or town, most likely; therefore, he's pretty useless.
It's alright if both you and tolkien is okay with lynching unproductive lurkers. I'll just propose an alternative tolkien wagon.
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On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote: Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?
Teemu is certainly instigating talks at this point, leading the town for discussion. However, I normally do not use d1 for scumreads since most have not posted/posted little. In fact, any filters less than 3 pages isn't worth checking out tbh. Tolkien's intentions may be pure, but its still too early to tell. I honestly don't see town need to lynch lurkers so that 'people can contribute more'. Feels like a cover up to lynch town, since there are usually more town lurkers.
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On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote: Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again.
Hey, I won the last game through slaying the last mafia in a lylo situation too, despite everyone objecting to the lynch. Sqrtneg1 spoilt it* Yea, was a pity you left that game. But town won.
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On June 22 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:33 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote: Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. Hey, I won the last game through slaying the last mafia in a lylo situation too, despite everyone objecting to the lynch. Sqrtneg1 spoilt it* Yea, was a pity you left that game. But town won. Well, it was a 'first to reach 2 votes' lynch, which kinda sucked because nobody convinced Sqrt (I think) to change his vote, and so it was pretty much a 50-50 chance of winning or losing because of no vote consolidation. I think my hero status in my game was much more than your hero status in your game ^^.
T.T I tried convincing sqrt for so many days for different lynches, but he was intent on sheeping amiko and then afk. No other way to win other than first to 2 vote on mderg so that I can decide between fuba and mderg. I was the grim reaper. Not the hero gotham deserves.
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@epishade
I think I'll retract my statement of finding scum d1 on a newbie game. I forgot that its impossible to meta anyone d1, which was what we used to find scum d1 mostly.
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On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote: yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR: he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy. I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats: I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus: Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu: excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding: leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus: seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
What are your reads on jabber and tolkien?
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@scott
That is my pregame fun read. Don't use it as analysis.
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On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote: Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now.
??? What? You mean not pushing on d1 when theres hardly 10 pages, and nobody have a filter longer than 3 pages is a crime now? Now, where are your pushes?
I normally do these stuff d1 and then read off votes and flips. If this playstyle does not rub you in the right direction, then its fine
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In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable.
1) Contradicts himself
Let's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote: Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone.
By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises.
2) Does not stick to his reads
He initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he
seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon.
as explained by himself.
This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me.
##Unvote ##Vote: Meatpudding
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EBWOP: This is not an OMGUS vote from me. I did not vote him because he voted me.
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On June 22 2014 21:41 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote: if your town you should be fighting to the end.... Thanks for the vote of confidence, I do appreciate it.
Scott, I know this feeling of getting pressured for a lynch d1. Ask jabber.
Do not start being overly negative and thinking that you have been thrown out of the game. It is just that people find suspicion on you. Try and find other lynch targets for town - even if they do not like the method you're using, just do it. It's your method, not theirs.
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On June 23 2014 03:42 Epishade wrote: Ok, I just got back home guys. Reading through.
Read through my case on meatpudding. I would like your opinion.
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On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote: If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know.
Yes I do have many questions.
1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads?
In your read, you said that
8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with?
3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with?
4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott?
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On June 23 2014 04:37 Epishade wrote: Err, maybe Haruhi's case made him change his mind and he just didn't mention that then? Just thought of that.
I like how you're calling me haruhi now. The unknowing god approves
I think we need jabber to explain this vote of his.
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On June 23 2014 04:39 GlowingBear wrote: Hey guys! Late as always. As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it. I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice.
I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie.
TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda.
I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads.
I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH.
Sup there glowingbear :D Never too late
you can just call me haruhi like epishade or haru.
I think the first thing you should do is to read everyone's reads and comment on them. We would like to see what you think.
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On June 23 2014 05:13 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote: If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know. Yes I do have many questions. 1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads? In your read, you said that 8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
Can you give me some specific contradictions? 2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with? I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. And on Templar giving lots of information, which is most likely good. 3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with? Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway.
I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy.
##Vote: lord tolkien The first part is the part you retracted, I believe? If so, no problem there. Do you still suspect Tolkien bc he changed his target from meatpudding to scott? I thought his argument there was reasonable, it just makes me a little nervous that you saw it as SUPER scummy 4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott? You definitely have a point, neither are doing a very good job of substantiating reads. Like I said, I'm on the fence about scott, he has definite scum potential. I just think that, based off the rest of his posts, he has a better case for making newbie mistakes. @jabber can still change my mind
I was referring to my meatpudding read.
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Btw, question 1 and 3 were meant for your thoughts my meatpudding read.
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So I think I need to post my reads.
Lord Tolkien (fence)
My initial thought of lord tolkien was that I thought he was scummy - but I changed it when I realised he wasn't lynching lurkers for fun.
JabberwockZerg (slightly scum)
He is not substantiating his pushes, nor provides proper reads. Could be trying to skirt his way past d1.
Kotc (fence)
His scum meta is horrible - when he's scum, he posts so little it hurts. But he has certainly put in enough effort here. However, still lacking in decisiveness on a read.
Nydus (slightly scum)
His initial feeling given to me was that he is trying to solve the game - I don't see his attempt yet.
Solar
No cake.
Glowingbear
Have to wait for his posts.
Meatpudding (scummish)
His arguments can be used against him. Also, read my post on him.
Hobbitus (slightly town)
So far, attempting to solve the game. Reads were good.
Teemu (fence)
He is not quite willing to push targets and switch fast. However, he was leading discussion early on. Might just be indecisiveness?
Epishade (slightly town)
His reads were what I think too - reads on meatpudding were similar.
Scott (slightly scum)
Suffers from the same disease of not substantiating his reads, like jwz.
Templar (slightly town)
Reads were similar to what I feel early on. Yet to see what his reads now are though.
Mysterymeat (fence)
Does not push at all, yet throws out reads.
Blonde
No cake
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@Meatpudding
??? I did not mention not scumhunting on d1 in that quote. There you are again, pushing me without strong cases. I simply don't understand what did you not understand from that post.
1) what was contradicted? Against what?
2) not too direct with?
3) how and why did you even vote based on that post when you can't even explain what you thought was scummy about it?
4) why are you even pushing on teemu/templar/me when you don't even have a case, much less a case that is weak?
@hobbitus
Simply because of how meatpudding have been handling out reads. A scumread from me.
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@meatpudding
And if your strongest case for why you chose teemu/templar/me as your scumreads because we wagoned against you, I'll be really disappointed.
Here are some things you need to do:
1) re-present a scummread on templar. Your previous read was based on something you mistook.
2) paranoia =/= scumread. Wagoning d1 isnt scumread. I need a stronger read.
3) Mistook post =/= scumread. I want a better analysis on my posts instead of reading them selectively and thinking you got the post you can use to fake a read.
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote: Where is Haru, where is Teemo.
Just woke up, reading the thread. One thing stood out to me.
Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.
Meatpudding is already self-immolating. His cases have changed from 'weak with no substantiation' to 'weak with a pinch of bullshit'. This guy should be lynched today for his incoherent reads.
Even if Meatpudding don't get lynched today, I'll push for his lynch on d2 unless he gives something constructive.
The case on MM is nearly the same as Meatpudding.
1) reads that include points that they exhibit
2) incoherency
3) some form of kneejerk OMGUS
Therefore I'm fine with any of their lynches.
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On June 23 2014 12:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i said my reads weren't based on OMGUS, and there are people voting for me that i think are town.
You and meatpudding have a case of tunnel vision. Or what I call OMGUS.
1) scumreads the first few on your wagons MP: Templar/teemu/me MM: Nydus/cat
2) votes on 'scumreads' which comes with a near fabricated read.
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On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote: The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch. i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right.
OMGUSing to your death. Still fixated on Tolkien.
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Right, so I'll post a vote and flip analysis at n1. Don't expect it soon, I need to think what the votes stood for.
Most likely solar and mocha will be modkilled and replaced.
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On June 23 2014 13:20 Alakaslam wrote: "Let them bring their own cases before the jury, Bones." the Captian replied.
Sure, captian Slam.
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On June 23 2014 18:53 Teemursu wrote: Hi guys, I overslept a little bit and I seemed to miss half of the content day 1 (which seems to have appeared in the last 8 hours of d1 playtime). I'm starting to catch up now.
Can I post reads and respond to people, since people are posting now, or may I do it only once day begins?
Yea you can post reads anytime you want. I'm currently filterdiving.
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On June 22 2014 02:43 Teemursu wrote: Depending on how rest of the day plays out, I feel like I'm probably going to vote on either TheKingOfCats or Meatpudding today. Hobbitus so far is on the fence with me. If he doesn't believe the world where both Templar and I are mafia, I would like to hear from him about rest of the game.
Yes. Given how you were initially thinking of voting for kotc and meatpudding, I would like to:
1) see what changed in your views of Hobbitus, kotc and meatpudding
2) reads from reading reads in the past 10+ pages (lol what a pun)
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On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? Show nested quote +"Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. .
Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt.
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EBWOP
LOL I am posting after your posts.
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On June 23 2014 19:12 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt. I definitely agree. Since I assume you were in the middle of all of the clusterfudge, how are you reading Tolkien from all of the interaction?
No pun in ten did AHAHAHAHA
Guess you'll have to wait for my night overall read for d1/n1.
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On June 23 2014 19:45 Teemursu wrote: Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding?
Sure.
1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding
2) Nydus' s hard push on MM
3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch
4) Templar's vote switching
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Dude that's alot lol. Is there more
When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers.
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On June 23 2014 20:48 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:30 HaruRH wrote:Dude that's alot lol. Is there more When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers. I hope that wasn't too much, haha. I'll be happy to hear your thoughts on my ketchup.
I would like to know your read on me too. Brb food
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On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote: Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
Still contradictions in meatpudding's reads. You read teemu on potential scum, yet agree with him that tolkien feels scummy. So you think teemu is bussing tolkien now, or are you suggesting your scumread on teemu is lesser than tolkien?
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EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense.
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On June 23 2014 22:18 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:11 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote: Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Still contradictions in meatpudding's reads. You read teemu on potential scum, yet agree with him that tolkien feels scummy. So you think teemu is bussing tolkien now, or are you suggesting your scumread on teemu is lesser than tolkien? I read Teemu as scummier than Tolkien. But what Teemu has posted is a good analysis, he is trying to blend in with town after all. I am not going to go as far as suggesting that Teemu will bus Tolkien (assuming they're both scum). I will however keep an eye on how Teemu votes. He has stated that his opinions are subject to change. I don't see that as a scum tell, I think it's warranted to pressure me, Teemu, Cats and Tolkien next day. But I would pay attention to how his opinion shifts. I suspect Teemu will not give a scum read on Tolkien by day's end, and if so, I would look into the reasoning behind that.
You're just tunnelling on teemu at this point.
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On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a misslynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had.
Since you're here now kotc, can you reply some of my questions?
1) There was a seemingly pre-emptive defence on your cases before MM flip. Why?
2) If you thought he was town, why push then? If you thought he was scum, why the defense?
3) Explain your previous post again I don't get it.
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@Glowingbear
After you're done catching up, reply my questions below
On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote:
1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding
2) Nydus' s hard push on MM
3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch
4) Templar's vote switching
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On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
1)These 2 bolded quotes doesn't seem to agree with one another. So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. Or almost like you knew it would happen anyway.
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3) On June 23 2014 23:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:44 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 14:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:As soon as i saw this i knew he was going to flip green: On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote: The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch. i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right. Fuck. Anyway it's 6AM here and i really need some sleep so... Just noticed this. What the heck? MM posted that after his lynch was locked in. He knew he was going to die so he stopped fighting and instead gave his thoughts on people that no-one else was discussing at the time, as scum there's no reason to do that because if he knew he was about to flip red he wouldn't bother to give quick scumreads on anyone because he'd know that they would be discounted as soon as he flipped and those last minute scumreads of his would actually give the people he mentioned townie points thus hurting his scumteam and if he was mafia he certainly wouldn't say what he said about Epishade in the thread.
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Now that I re-read the whole situation, I think my question applies for Tolkien instead of kotc.
On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
On June 23 2014 10:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: Like, I can get GlowingBear jumping on me for being fine with a mislynch and not Cats because he wasn't loud about it. It's a plausible mistake. But I was loudly telegraphing my position on it, and he wasn't so it's fine. But to zero in on CATS and completely miss my stance and posts? NO FKING WAY.
On June 23 2014 12:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:Yes, I understand that it's certainly possible for me and GlowingBear to be mafia together: it would make some sense if you flipped green. It would suggest that me, GlowingBear, and meatpudding are mafia if you ascribe to that theory though (since there would have to be a clear motive to trying to push the bandwagon off meat...which doesn't match what I've been saying previously so... :psyduck: ). He'll probably be under my scrutiny D2. I still have no idea what kind of relationship I would have with you. It would be monumentally stupid of me to bus you as mafia (if you were mafia), since no one actually believed Cats until I supported his push. If you're town and I'm mafia, it would mean I would have to be pushing steam off meatpudding or Cats (the latter wasn't going to be lynched, let's be real)...despite me talking about lynching meatpudding as a preference, both before the Scott pressure votes and I withdrew it. If you're green, that makes no sense. :psyduck: I still don't see it. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote: if you tell a blue role how to play and in a newbie game they start playing like that, then you are essentially fishing for roles. If they start listening to you, and you notice then you can shoot them in the night. Possible yes, but I was also saying lurking IN GENERAL is bad. If you're vanilla town its bad because you don't do anything and will probably get policy-lynched for it in a forum mafia game eventually, it's bad for blues because you'll get either lynched or shot because mafia will notice, and it's bad for mafia because people will notice. Town thrives on posts, so POST. That's the crux of what I was saying and aiming to promote.
On June 23 2014 12:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote: who are you going to rule out when i flip green tolkien? ...they're ruled out when you're red. If green checking myself or Cats is a safe bet I would say and it means we probably will be under suspicion tomorrow heavily. And we won't die, most likely since we started the lynch.
On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die.
These few posts are just soft defense on himself. He is suggesting that he entertained the thought of a ML but went through with it anyway.
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Alright, here's my promised vote/flip analysis:
On June 23 2014 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:Final Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding Not voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha MysteryMeat1 is lynched with 8 votes.
Day 1 has ended.
Notes:
On MM's wagon:
TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding
Number of vote switches
4 The_Templar (scott -> meatpudding -> MM -> Meatpudding p> MM)
1 Lord Tolkien ( scott -> MM) Epishade ( meatpudding -> MM) Hobbitus (jabber -> MM) jabber (meatpudding -> MM) Nydus (Kotc -> MM) meatpudding (haru -> MM)
0 TheKingOfTheCats
Immediate notes: Templar is the outlier with 4 vote switches. Anomaly in calculations. Kotc started the wagon and did not switch. 4 are from previous wagons (Lord Tolkien, Epishade, jabber, Nydus)
My Observations & Reads
-Following the collapse of the Scott-wagon, Tolkien immediately jumped to the MM wagon. This is not really much of a tell, but Tolkien's reasoning for hopping to the MM-wagon could be used to hop back to the meatpudding wagon. Try it by yourself, you'll be shocked how close the case of both meats are.
-Epishade jumped to the MM-Wagon next from a meatpudding wagon. This too have not much of a tell, but he managed to hop to the MM-wagon despite giving questionable reasons.
Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you.
-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird.
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town.
- I don't like jabber's voting pattern at all. He read pudding as a townlean, and voted for pudding less than 4 posts later. His hop to MM-wagon was met with little resistance - he was able to completely avoid providing anything like an analysis switching votes to MM.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it Seriously? This could be used as a reason to switch to MM?
-nothing much for Nydus since he provides better reason than any of the people here for switching.
-Meatpudding is the most horrible of them all. He voted for Haru (me) just as an OMGUS vote, then switched to MM so that he could survive this day 1.
-Kotc cannot run from this either. His reasoning for a vote on MM can be used on metapudding as well - try it out again.
Overall, we should look out for Tolkien, Epishade, hobbitus, jabber, meatpudding and Kotc tomorrow. If their voting pattern persists, it will be more than enough evidence to scumread them.
In terms of how their scum-rating (by me) is affected, scum %: Jabber - 30% meatpudding - 30% Tolkien - 30%
Epishade - 20% Kotc - 20% hobbitus - 20%
Templar - 10% (weird votes...)
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On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.
please don't think of me this way
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On June 24 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before? Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy
I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight.
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On June 24 2014 03:48 Epishade wrote:@Haruhi You don't mention that any scum could have voted elsewhere, and you seem to be focusing primarily on those that voted for Meat while leaving out the others that voted for meatpudding (which includes yourself). Meat warranted my vote for his displaced logic, which I mentioned too in my justification. Honestly, I wasn't satisfied with a bunch of his responses to everybody afterwards either. I wouldn't put it past people to vote for him just because of how erratic his replies were. Meat wasn't helping his case very much when he started posting just a few hours before deadline. Honestly, I think the scum votes were likely split between meatpudding and Meat. I don't think scum would all vote on the same person the same day as that establishes a clear link between them (though you could argue wifom here). I'm surprised you don't bring up anything else regarding people that didn't vote for Meat. Even so, without knowing meatpudding's alignment either, a lot of this is baseless, especially considering how many people voted for Meat to begin with. Also, you seem to have left out Nydus on your list for having a good reasoning to vote Meat. You also listed him as from a previous wagon, but I wouldn't consider 2 votes on Cats, 1 even by Meat - who was starting to get trashed to be a wagon. Of course he had to get off there, as Cats had no reason to be voted (at least, from what I could tell) in the first place. That was why Meat got so much flak. There's no way Nydus was going to stick there. He wasn't abandoning any wagon there. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1 You don't think it's a little bit convenient that when everybody started voting for Meat he rescinded his read on Cats so he could vote for Meat as well? Maybe he actually did change his mind about Cats. Idk. I'm not saying it's bad logic that Nydus voted for Meat for sheeping, but I don't think it's any better than what anybody else voted for Meat for. That's not enough for me to discount him from being scum just yet.
It would be more probable that they split 2-1 or 2-2 or even 3-2/4-1 in favour of MM. There were more reason to jump to a MM wagon given how aggressive Tolkien was in pulling people to the MM wagon, while the meatpudding wagon had less draw. It would be better to jump to the MM wagon at all circumstances.
Yes, nydus is definitely not discounted from being scum. It is just that his voting pattern wasn't enough to lock him in as scum for now. his read on cats was based on "I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing." His vote on Kotc was quite reactionary IMO to how Kotc replied to Teemu. This could obviously change anytime he wants.
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EBWOP Analysing MM wagon will lead to a higher chance to find scun over analysing meatpudding's - teemu did not change, I of course have no need to analyse myself and MM's votes is desperation vote. This only leaves GlowingBear in the 'questionable' list.
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On June 24 2014 04:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:12 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:34 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before? Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight. Hahaha I wouldn't worry if I were you. You have too many spotlights to be the first kill. Mafia will be roleblocked if they try to kill you. They will follow someone else. Umm… what? Doesn't roleblocking the mafia require targeting the right person? How would their choice influence whether they were roleblocked?
He probably meant jail on me tonight.
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Right, I'm off to sleep. Post any questions you have for me, including questions about my analysis. I'll try to be here by the deadline.
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I got roleblocked last night. Probably because of this.
On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
And no, haru is no woman. Haruhi is a girl in the anime, haruhi suzumiya. Thus epishade is going she she she.
I'll reply to all questions as soon as possible.
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On June 24 2014 23:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien.
Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. Can you explain this to me? I'm already writing thoughts on Tokien's death, but I think even after reading guides I'm not understanding roles quite well. How does the Nightkiller gets blocked and Vig (what is a Vig?) still manage to have the kill?
In my opinion, there are 3 scenarios as to why Tolkien got shot.
1) Tolkien got shot by scum, as explained by glowingbear.
2) Tolkien got shot by vigilante. Vigilante is probably someone who thought Tolkien felt scummy and decided to shoot him. The mafia who decided to do the shoot action probably got jailed/roleblocked and couldn't shoot.
3) Tolkien got shot by vigilante. Mafia shot someone who they decided was too town to lynch (at this point, it should be templar or nydus since we don't know if they were affected by night actions yet) but got jailed, so they got protected from the shot.
in my opinion, its either option 1) or 3). But this could change depending on who got jailed on n1. If either templar or nydus got jailed, I'm pretty sure its 3). If neither got jailed, 1) is the most probable.
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Option 3) is when the the mafia target got jailed, and jailed players cannot be killed.
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1) is explained by kotc.
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Btw, it is best to announce if any night actions occured. Since scum knew them anyway (roleblock actions could be from them), and knowing jailed targets (if jailer exists) can help us consider more scum role options.
Currently, I believe we have a vigi and a scum roleblocker (I got roleblocked and I dont see why town would want to roleblock me).
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On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game. It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well.Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote: From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.
Now that we know you were jailed, it is more probable that tolkien got shot by a vigilante and you were the supposed scum target.
The lack of need for scum to shoot tolkien (shooting tolkien had no real use for scumteam) led me to believe a vigilante had to have shot tolkien.
As mentioned by epi, it is surprising that tolkien died instead of me/epi/nydus/templar, who were really townread on d1 and would be hard to mislynch on d2. Thus it is more probable that scum tried to kill templar but failed as he was jailed.
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On June 25 2014 00:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 00:49 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 00:42 GlowingBear wrote: I'll answer you soon, Templar. Before that:
are there any clues on mod posts? I highly doubt it, considering it was never mentioned. Saying Tolkien was devoided of salt instead that he has been shot sounded like a clue of what happened this night...
That's host WIFOM at this stage lol.
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On June 25 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I'm too anxious to wait for a response LOL. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game. It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote: From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do. Templar: 1) If it was really that simple, I'd say that Teemu and Jabber are Mafia because meatpudding and Kotc were considered scummy much more than those other two. If Mafia killed Lord Tolkien because he was getting closer to a right path than everybody it's because he scumread people that weren't scumread a lot by others. 2) I don't believe it's as simple as (1) and I think you have good logic here. My stronget read was in meatpudding since from the beginning. I'm just afraid he is contradicting himslef out of newbieness lol. 3) My logic isn't strong behind this scenario. I'd say that they were focusing the nightkill on one of the top townies (because they might be blue in Mafia's head) but when I reavealed my thoughts on Haru they changed their target to an unlikely person to avoid wasting a nightkill on someone who could probably be protected. Is it clearer now? I'm having a hard time explaining my thoughts XD 4) Well... I'm like Vizzini from Princess Bride haha The Vigilante scenario is possible but... god, it's so hard for it to happen, don't you think? Mafia got roleblocked and Vigilante shot the wrong person? Why not shooting meatpudding or kotc or other people that bandwagoned(?) MM1? And there is a possibility that we may not even have a Vigilante on this game, right?And about Kotc, I'm getting better reads on him. He is sounding more like a townie to me, mostly because of his most recent posts. So, my scum radar is getting signals from two people now: meatpudding and epishade.
I'm still thinking about this, but I really think that mafia shot Templar, but Templar was defended by jail. I probably got roleblocked since you said those stuff about me being blue.
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On June 25 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, let's stop talking about blues and moreover, what happened this night. If you start saying what happened night after night it will narrow alignments for Mafia.
It is important to at least know what happened this night so that we can choose the correct people to lynch. Here's an example:
If Tolkien got vigi'ed, one person who scumread him probably shot him.
If Tolkien got scum'ed, one person in his scumread probably did it. Or many other factors.
I don't like lynching people who could be blues. I need the definite answer to this shot.
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On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote: I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right?
Explain. I don't see in any way, how would me or Templar be scum? If scum misshot, it would obviously be on Templar. So scum roleblocked me, another scum? ???
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EBWOP Sorry if I sound defensive, but this is quite complicated and I'm quite confused. Everyone have their own version of how this night turned out and I cant really understand most.
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On June 25 2014 04:59 GlowingBear wrote: Haru, what's your read on Epishade and meatpudding ATM?
Still the same. I still scumread meatpudding for his inconsistency and contradictions. I still read epishade as leaning town since he seems to be trying to solve the game. However, if I take into the account the flips, meatpudding would fare better since it doesn't make sense for him to try for either tolkien or templar. Both aren't hot on his heels like me or teemu (it could be possible that I was meant to be shot but bear 'accidentally' called me out) and it will not help him in any case for d2, where either me or teemu might wagon on him. Epishade would fare worse since killing templar could help him eliminate all the fringe voters, who aren't willing to commit and sheep his pushes This is just wifom but definitely food for thought
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On June 25 2014 05:17 Teemursu wrote: Why are we talking about WIFOMy scenarios on Tolkien's death and not looking at who and how MM1 was pressured/voted by?
Yes. I want to ask you about 1)what do you feel about MM's wagon and who are your suspects? 2) who do you scumread the most now? 3) how has your reads changed due to the d1 flips and n1 flips?
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On June 25 2014 05:05 Epishade wrote: Hey guys, I'm still working on my reads on everybody so far. This is gonna take a while, but I'll get it up eventually.
Take your time. I just want your opinion on: 1) who do you find more scummy : kotc or teemu? 2) what is your updated read on meatpudding? 3) how have the d1/n1 flips affected your reads so far?
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On June 25 2014 04:59 GlowingBear wrote: Haru, what's your read on Epishade and meatpudding ATM?
Also glowingbear if you're here, please answer my few questions:
1) if you get to shoot someone now, who will you shoot? 2) who are your current fence reads? 3) who have been removed/added to your scumreads and why?
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On June 25 2014 06:06 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote: Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again. This post is wolfy. JK You and every single person in the village better be participating its going to be a sad day if all the talk is me talking to me. I'll do it and still find the wolves but I'm going to have less fun.
Finally it wont be me and teemu talking to each other during this time.
Ask any questions you want. But please don't ask me questions like 'summarise d1 for me' etc such open ended questions.
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Top Town: Templar, myself. Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu Fence : hobbitus Scum: nydus, epi Top scum: jabber, meatpudding Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter
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Idk why is kotc in town. I want him in fence.
Fence: hobbitus, kotc
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Just woke up. Ask me any questions before I start filterdiving for votes.
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On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl
I'm not a girl too, but hey, if it pleases them to think that we have more females in this game than males, then so be it. Some people get really desperate online
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On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/
I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
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On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote: MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon.
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On June 25 2014 20:02 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was. Nevermind I think you're town
Please explain.
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On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus GlowingBear
Epishade Cats
Jabberwockzerg Templar Nydus Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward.
Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence???
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On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus GlowingBear
Epishade Cats
Jabberwockzerg Templar Nydus Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture.
You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol)
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Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you.
On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me.
On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone.
On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him.
So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you?
On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu [/quote]
I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that?
'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same.
##Vote: Epishade
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On June 26 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: HaruRHYou've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine: Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:48 GlowingBear wrote: Day 2 is becoming harder than Day 1.
I would like you to consider writing a strong case regarding your strongest scumread. I'm having a feeling that tehpoofter will come with some huge argument next to the EOD to manipulate the votes. It will be good if he is town, but if he is Mafia... And we don't have enough food on him to start deciding his alignment.
Also, I strongly advice to consider that Tolkien died "devoided of salt". Check the mafia roles on OP.
Teemu, Haru, Nydus and meatpudding, could you bring your thought on a scenario where Tolkien has been killed by Mafia and its consequences? I know some already did but I'd like an updated and extended version, if possible.
Voting for me won't automatically wake me up from sleep to reply to you, you know.
Anyway, to reply to your question : if tolkien got killed by mafia, I don't know what they want. I'll just roll with the fact that their identity were nearly compromised by tolkien so they had to kill him (but this means some of his scumreads are real scums).
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On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town.
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On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts?
Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now.
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On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die
Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.
##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini
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On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point.
You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO.
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On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die.
I know they're town the same way you know they're mafia. I don't.
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On June 26 2014 12:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote: My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy For actually getting shit done? Explain why you edited your post. Rules are clear
Hey gais they edited their post by accident cos they scum so lets lynch dem
Lololol I'm getting shit done
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On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then?
No. Tolkien died probably because the vigi thought tolkien to be more scummy than you, perhaps.
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On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules?
Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake
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On June 26 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:13 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? No. Tolkien died probably because the vigi thought tolkien to be more scummy than you, perhaps. That's my point. If Tolkien was thought to be scummy, he would have been lynched. We were leaning that way, but could have used the day to make a better read. I think an instant kill was unnecessary.
??? So if you were the vigi, who would you shoot on n1?
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On June 26 2014 12:26 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, do we know how many shots the vig gets? I assumed it was multiple...
Probably 1. This is a small game after all. Larger games have 2 shots on average.
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On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote: Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you.
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I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me.
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This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone.
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So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you?
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I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that?
'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same.
##Vote: Epishade
* Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus?
Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia.
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On June 26 2014 12:57 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:52 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
After this post I haven't seen you vote on me. Never voted on Epishade, eh? [/QUOTE]
I voted epishade, not meatpudding.
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On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Guity conscience of someone who voted on a town because he edited by mistake?
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On June 26 2014 13:14 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:12 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Guity conscience of someone who voted on a town because he edited by mistake? Sounds like you had a lot of perfect information on the matter, why didnt you defend him harder?
Cos he edited. 100% scum.
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On June 26 2014 13:23 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 13:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 13:12 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Guity conscience of someone who voted on a town because he edited by mistake? Sounds like you had a lot of perfect information on the matter, why didnt you defend him harder? Cos he edited. 100% scum. Im done with your sarcasm.
I was done with your irresponsibility about 3 pages ago. Nice to see you catching up.
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On June 26 2014 13:27 mtamburini wrote: Cop checking HaruRH would be a great check. His last posts have been nothing but troll and non productive. He calls Nydus town but does nothing to try and save him from being lynched.
What the actual f? Please quote where I said nydus was town. I simply said that voting on nydus because he edited is a stupid way to mislynch a town. Did I say he was 100% town?
Troll and non productive? Sounds like.................... you guessed it!
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On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote: [quote]
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Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself.
Quoting myself in case people say that I think nydus is town and thus didn't vote him/save him etc
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On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie.
Wat. Nobody had a proper case against nydus. Teemu voted nydus for pressure. He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target.
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On June 25 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote: @nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow. Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours.
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On June 26 2014 11:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 26 2014 10:43 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:33 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:31 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:18 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:16 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote: Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum? I would get on reading that thread ASAP, you have 3 hours to vote. Also lol at the bolded part, I wouldn't quite assume that yet with so little time, so I hope you're joking there. BROOOOOBER is that youuuu! Ummm… what? O.o I guess you're not the person I thought you were...... Lol, probably not Teemu, Banks, Simba and I thought he was big/lil temp too Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 01:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Nydus. You never explained the contradiction in these posts. On June 25 2014 11:38 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 11:16 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote: I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter. TheKingOfScum On June 25 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [quote] What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. So are you saying that you initially read my post as jumping on him for no reason and after rereading it realized that that wasn't what i was doing or are you saying that you missed my post completely and read it after you posted your initial read on meatpudding? Also he never said that i scumread him. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: [quote]
When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list.
Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: [quote] The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.
Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.
I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.
Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games). + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote + It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't. + Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. Ok, if we ignore the fact that the main reason you gave for thinking MM was scum is observably false was there anything else about his play that struck you as scummy? Also do you have any reasons to think me or Templar could be scum other than weak or non-existent reasons that are tied to one of your townreads flipping red? I skimmed through the posts and stopped around teemu/templar/mp's when the interactions happened and started focusing. Thought I read you saying you wanted to push or something like that. Reread, realized you said nothing about that. Er he didn't say you scumread him but he said you wanted to lynch him. We were voting at the time between MM and MP and I thought MP was towny, MM wasn't really pinging my town radar after I had given him a townread. The shit he was saying was weird and scummy. Templar I'm unsure about hence my fence read on him. For you, I'm actually starting to read you townier and townier as you start to fight with me but otherwise, gimme a minute and I can build a case. I'm just responding quickly so that you stop headbanging because I can't seem to respond to everyone at once. Really, you're now saying that at the time you voted for MM you thought meatpudding was townie? Because two hours ago you said this: On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: [quote] I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [quote] What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games). + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote + It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't. + Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. MM was a little scummier to you than meatpudding, implying you also thought meatpudding was scummy at the time but slightly less so than MM. Care to explain this seeming contradiction? Also. What about this post led you to believe that i was pushing meatpudding? On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Because even if you just "skimmed over it" i don't see how you could've come to that conclusion. Please do so. Also i want you to go into detail about what else you thought was scummy about MM because voting him for something you had to know was false unless you weren't even paying attention to your own reads and adding that his posts were "weird and scummy" isn't good enough. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 06:42 Teemursu wrote: I want to see more pressure on Nydus.
## Vote: NydusHerMain
I completely agree. Nydus had to have known that the main reason he gave for voting MM was false and unless he provides satisfactory alternate reasons for voting MM i can't see myself voting for anyone else today. ## Vote: NydusHerMain ##Unvote
##Vote: NydusHerMain
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On June 26 2014 11:22 mtamburini wrote: ##Vote : NydusHerMain
He edited a post thats a no no SCUMBAGS EDIT POSTS
He popped in for a second while ive been here and then he disappeared.
Kill him with fire!!!!
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Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his. Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question. Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.
What a bad lynch.
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On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote: Top Town: Templar, myself. Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu Fence : hobbitus Scum: nydus, epi Top scum: jabber, meatpudding Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter
Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus. How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch.
And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow, mtamburini .
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On June 26 2014 20:08 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:20 HaruRH wrote: Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his. Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question. Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.
What a bad lynch. COOL so its easy to say after the fact when someone is flipped it was a bad lynch when you did nothing to stop it. I call you out on you not defending him because you thought he was town and you deny that you say/thought that so then why didnt you vote on him then? If you think someone is scummy you saying it was a bad lynch contradicts your thoughts on Nydus.
Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.
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On June 26 2014 20:25 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:08 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 14:20 HaruRH wrote: Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his. Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question. Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.
What a bad lynch. COOL so its easy to say after the fact when someone is flipped it was a bad lynch when you did nothing to stop it. I call you out on you not defending him because you thought he was town and you deny that you say/thought that so then why didnt you vote on him then? If you think someone is scummy you saying it was a bad lynch contradicts your thoughts on Nydus. Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.
Inb4 HURR HALU DIDNT MENTION GETTING KILLED BY SKUM HE IS SKUM Doesn't matter if you're scum or not. I refuse to play in this game if you play like that.
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On June 26 2014 22:15 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:22 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote: Top Town: Templar, myself. Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu Fence : hobbitus Scum: nydus, epi Top scum: jabber, meatpudding Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus. How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch. And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow, mtamburini . Have him as scum but can't build a case? Y have him as scum then?
lel neither did I see a case from you
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On June 26 2014 21:47 Hobbitus wrote:Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does) Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end
So you're willing to look at this guy post everyday, until the game ends? Potentially 10-20 days? I won't, sorry.
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On June 26 2014 23:37 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 21:47 Hobbitus wrote:Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does) Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end So you're willing to look at this guy post everyday, until the game ends? Potentially 10-20 days? I won't, sorry. Since I've entered this thread all you've done is whine and bitch about eod yesterday. So stfu you sound like a 12 year old girl who didn't get their way and blame other people.
Out of arguments to use? Starting to insult people? Awww. Refusing to read any proper arguments, starting this game with own irrational reasonings, complaining that people disliking such irrational arguments are whiny. Sure. Too bad for you, such tactics don't work on me. I don't need to resort to personal insults to play this game, looks like you can't. I'll have to give way to you then, since irrationality is surrounding you so bad.
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On June 27 2014 01:02 mtamburini wrote: I thought you said you were leaving and done with this game? Go on be done. Your contributions this far since I've entered have been condicending and not helpful so you can go die in a hole for all I care.
no, I said YOU'RE leaving.
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On June 27 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 01:02 mtamburini wrote: I thought you said you were leaving and done with this game? Go on be done. Your contributions this far since I've entered have been condicending and not helpful so you can go die in a hole for all I care. no, I said YOU'RE leaving. I ain't going anywhere unless scum shoot me in the night so get used to it bud. Are you gonna actually try to play the game not or be a whiny condicending brat still?
I want to ask you the same question.
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On June 27 2014 01:06 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 22:20 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 22:15 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 20:22 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote: Top Town: Templar, myself. Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu Fence : hobbitus Scum: nydus, epi Top scum: jabber, meatpudding Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus. How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch. And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow, mtamburini . Have him as scum but can't build a case? Y have him as scum then? lel neither did I see a case from you Can't answer the question can you? I called him out for being scummy for editing , came into thread for a bit asked him for reads on people didn't give any. Order of events may be off I'm at work on my phone and i can't create tabs. Regardless I know he was on his computer and not afk and he was not answering any questions from me nor defending himself. He was best lynch in my eyes
Sure I can.
Nydus was slightly scumread to me because of his hard push on MM.
On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1
He gave a long paragraph on why he thought teemu was scum, then went on about meatpudding. Gave MM 1 short sentence 'I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought' and then voted for him. Never gave reason why.
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On June 27 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 01:02 mtamburini wrote: I thought you said you were leaving and done with this game? Go on be done. Your contributions this far since I've entered have been condicending and not helpful so you can go die in a hole for all I care. no, I said YOU'RE leaving. I ain't going anywhere unless scum shoot me in the night so get used to it bud. Are you gonna actually try to play the game not or be a whiny condicending brat still?
Anyway, look over here. you're the whiny little brat right now. I only showed my discontent with you, while you were whining away, oh haru so condescending etc. I was simply going 'lol mtam such good reasons wow'. Never went for any sort of attacks until you started it
So please whiny little boy/girl, leave your shit out of the thread. One more crappy sentence and ill flip it for you.
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On June 27 2014 02:48 mtamburini wrote: So describe how your play to condescend me and my thoughts on the game make you town.
so it's a play now to respond to your bad play? Ok.
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You know that I am so pissed off with you because you came in with lots of troll posts
On June 26 2014 11:52 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:47 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 11:36 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:25 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 11:24 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote: You edited a post you need to die. Teemu edited a post too SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!! Shoot him in the night then if there is a vigi This… is a bit of an over-reaction. >.> Not really as my first post was to lynch teemu hes scum and then I find out he edited a post. IT was a HAPPY reaction! Played too much video mafia today. I'm happy with the nydus lynch though. Ar eyou really lynching him just because he editted a post? Yes Teemu will be next
like this
On June 26 2014 12:07 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. You just hate the fact that I jumped into this game so quickly and Im more town than you could ever be.
And who said I only called you donkey now? I called you donkey ever since you wanted to vote for nydus for editing.
On June 26 2014 12:12 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote: My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy For actually getting shit done? Explain why you edited your post. Rules are clear Hey gais they edited their post by accident cos they scum so lets lynch dem Lololol I'm getting shit done
And now you're trying to act like you're doing something, and make me look like the fool who tried to troll? Sure.
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you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus?
On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote: [quote]
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Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?
Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia.
On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake
On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now.
On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini
So can I lynch you for lying now
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On June 27 2014 03:23 mtamburini wrote: I was 100% serious on lynching them both esp if nydus flipped scum. I really can't help the fact that you were jealous that I was being so much more town in two hours than you were the whole game prob.
Haters gonna hate
And you only proved my point more that you knew nydus was going to flip town and pushing and throwing as much scum on me as possible to get me lynched.
Your approach has been hey everyone look at me how right I was and how wrong he was let's get him!
no.
My approach was 'hey look at this guy with 0 reasoning but a policy lynch lets lynch him before he decides to policy lynch us for no reason!'
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I really can't help the fact that you were jealous that I was being so much more town in two hours than you were the whole game prob.
LOL try harder
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On June 27 2014 03:26 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:20 HaruRH wrote:you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus? On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote: [quote]
Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia. On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini So can I lynch you for lying now So you voting for me is supposed to make me not vote for nydus? Your best defence of him was these seen like pressure votes but he's not responding. Then you said mod warned him ong it's a newbie game. So where exactly did you tell me how he was acting town and not acting scummy?
Wat
You provide 0 reason as to why nydus is scum when you voted, and you expect me to put in the effort for you to prove you right/wrong? How convenient. Like I said, I was displeased that your reason was because he edited. I don't give a rats ass on whether he was town or scum. Come in with 0 reads, 0 contributions and want me to spoonfeed you with all the info. If you had a better reason and thus a conclusive read, this conversation would not have happened.
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On June 27 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:32 Teemursu wrote:On June 27 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, now that Nydus has flipped green, how do you read Epishade? Actually, what's your read on tambourine and tehpoofter? I still think Epishade is scum. I think Nydus really just came up with some read to appear more towny, since he didn't really have the attention spam for the game, as he said himself. I can never read Tambo, but what he's doing right now is his own way of pressuring people, I think. Haru's been one of my stronger town reads and he's reacting kind of poorly to the pressure, but it really could be the other way around as well. Banks (tehpoofter) I have as null. He hasn't really posted as much analysis/reads yet (he's a very good player), but I -really- appreciate that he's trying to get people voting and posting lists. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Nobody would respond well to this.
comes in, smack talks me, give a shitty reason to vote. Acts like the victim to my return smack talk and accuses me of doing nothing productive.
Started personal insulting and lying about almost everything (lied about me not stopping a troll lynch because that definitely can be stopped), while trying to use the counter reaction to her personal insults as a read for alignment.
this is beyond toxic.
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On June 27 2014 03:46 Hobbitus wrote: This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked
Someone actually understands me.
Even if we had to move to something else, we need to think about epi's wagon and why didn't it turn into a lynch over nydus.
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On June 27 2014 03:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 03:46 Hobbitus wrote: This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked Someone actually understands me. Even if we had to move to something else, we need to think about epi's wagon and why didn't it turn into a lynch over nydus. Why do you think epi would be a better lynch than Nydus?
I wrote my own reads about epi. His reads were greatly contradictory to himself.
Nydus is only a viable lynch because he didn't respond to his claims. Also, he didnt answer the questions on why he lynch mm over meatpudding when he said more about meatpudding and about how he was much more scummy.
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On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote: My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts. But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment. After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine: On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:Teemu On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote: Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL @meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target. On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote: I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes. I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes. I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly. Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me. Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber. Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself. Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town. The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely). I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again.
Also, as usual, meatpudding's reads are largely weird. Why would mafia save nydus or push epi? Why can't the opposite be true? His conclusion on why epi is town doesn't confirm anything. In fact, you can say that scum could have helped epi be off the hook by lynching nydus instead.
WIFOM is WIFOM.
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Your read is largely similar to mine. His vote on d2 also have a lack in actual reads that weren't personal opinions. He probably did not care who he voted for.
On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote: You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote: Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu. ##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade
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On June 27 2014 03:32 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:26 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 03:20 HaruRH wrote:you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus? On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote: [quote]
You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia. On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini So can I lynch you for lying now So you voting for me is supposed to make me not vote for nydus? Your best defence of him was these seen like pressure votes but he's not responding. Then you said mod warned him ong it's a newbie game. So where exactly did you tell me how he was acting town and not acting scummy? Wat You provide 0 reason as to why nydus is scum when you voted, and you expect me to put in the effort for you to prove you right/wrong? How convenient. Like I said, I was displeased that your reason was because he edited. I don't give a rats ass on whether he was town or scum. Come in with 0 reads, 0 contributions and want me to spoonfeed you with all the info. If you had a better reason and thus a conclusive read, this conversation would not have happened.
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On June 27 2014 04:06 mtamburini wrote: It was never a troll vote I've made it clear. He did not respond to me at all after my accusations of him being scum for editing and never gave a read while he was at his computer playing another game. He did nothing to defend him self to my pressure and attacks.
You say you defended him and quoted some bs stuff which doesn't prove you defended him.
Defending someone goes along the lines of
I think x is town because 1 2 3
anyway, your reasons only make jabber way more scummy than nydus. Jabber did not even vote.
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On June 27 2014 04:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:57 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote: My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts. But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment. After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine: On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:Teemu On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote: [quote]
Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [quote] I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.
As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL @meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target. On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote: I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes. I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes. I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly. Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me. Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber. Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself. Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town. The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely). I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again. Also, as usual, meatpudding's reads are largely weird. Why would mafia save nydus or push epi? Why can't the opposite be true? His conclusion on why epi is town doesn't confirm anything. In fact, you can say that scum could have helped epi be off the hook by lynching nydus instead. WIFOM is WIFOM. Are we actually in agreement that the meatpud post was bs?
meatpudding have never wrote something that I couldn't find contradictions in, so yes.
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On June 27 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town?
Don't think you understand the value of having town that are able to express their own opinions properly, make a proper case to push and help identify scum. Lol I never said he was scummier than anyone.
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On June 27 2014 13:23 Hobbitus wrote: Last note of the night, I promise. HARU, YOU CONFUSE ME SO. Some posts you seem so town, others so scum.
I'm willing to be called scum if it drives everyone to meaningful and substantiated reads and votes. After all, it's a newbie mafia game and we should all learn to engage in proper analysis and stuff instead of trolling.
I'm pretty harsh on trolling in mafia games during critical junctions.
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On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote: Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
I'm ok with hobbitus's arguments but this weird. So you mean that you scumread him during the mm/meatpudding lynch d1, but gave him a townread??
Are you trying to jump ship so that you won't be held accountable for voting a strong townread?
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On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote: Beginning wake-up processes… Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts
So what do you have to defend yourself? Please don't run away from defense like jabber/scott/nydus.
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On June 27 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm) HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer) Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details) GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night) Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against) Epishade-scum (see post) mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night) Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3: -why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him) -take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie. -possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid
Your knee jerk reaction that quickly scumread both me and Templar for consistency have made me decide to scumread you now. Your arguments on my scumminess 'says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer' is not a good point at all. Epishade said the same thing. Meatpudding said the same thing. Granted, you scumread epi, but no good reason was given either.
Either you're panicking or your knee jerk reaction is to lead town towards lynching all their top town targets. Scum motive.
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On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that?
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On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote: I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting. For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation. I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM. Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote: I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2? I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think. Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote: okay first thing's first: ##: Unvote I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill. I understand that it looks scummy. I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I wrote this in response At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote: Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote: yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR: he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy. I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats: I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus: Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu: excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding: leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus: seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote: yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR: he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy. I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats: I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus: Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu: excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding: leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus: seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote: Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote: I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now. *On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim. *On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me. *On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read. *On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now. *On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads. *On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point. The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy. Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility. Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler + "Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum. ##Vote: HaruRH Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me. I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off. Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here. On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info. Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here. Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads. That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote: Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads: JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia) meatpudding Teemursu Cats
His townreads: Haruhi Templar me Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads: Nydus
Dunno reads: GlowBear Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler + meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote: Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler + He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg
Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch.
On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through.
So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches.
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On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote: Beginning wake-up processes… Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
so Templar's 'no confrontation' behaviour was scummy, but your 'push Templar with different reasons but tried to link them' behaviour isn't scummy?
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On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches.
On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote: Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through.
Why are you trying to persuade me that ML is due to contradictions in posts? Are you opening some sort of way for scum to post contradictions and not get called out for bad logic? 1 bad lynch only, MM, which at most clears meatpudding since both of them makes bucketloads of contradictions.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate.
What. So your new method of thinking is accurate because kotc flipped town and your new thiking put him as town? Why? So who are your townreads and scumreads now?
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On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches.
I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too.
Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.'
Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).'
what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc.
D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.'
Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.'
Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch.
Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too.
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Look here. Even if your wagon on Templar was right, epishade was allowed to basically afk past n2 and post a useless post.
On June 26 2014 14:43 Epishade wrote: I'm all for lynching mtamburini after that vote.
I don't know about you, but for me, who still scumreads epishade, I don't think we should neglect him. I want epishade to start talking right away.
##Vote: Epishade
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On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol.
So d1, did my meatpudding lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went to MM's wagon. D2, did my epishade lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went crazy and voted weirdly.
Nobody mislynched because of either mine or Templar's opinions. Even if both of us were read as scum, nobody would still lynch because of our opinions because it did not happen. What are you trying to do now?
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Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
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On June 28 2014 00:01 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:56 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol. So d1, did my meatpudding lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went to MM's wagon. D2, did my epishade lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went crazy and voted weirdly. Nobody mislynched because of either mine or Templar's opinions. Even if both of us were read as scum, nobody would still lynch because of our opinions because it did not happen. What are you trying to do now? Lol, because the MM/mp argument wasn't exactly the same and couldn't have gone either way. ...You didn't vote for epishade?
I did. I changed in the end because mtam was pissing me off.
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On June 28 2014 00:05 Hobbitus wrote: You could have voted epi if you weren't so distracted by tamburini. In fact, that's really the only "frivolous" thing you've done this game, everything else has pretty much made sense.
I admit I was distracted by mtam. I considered him as a bad town, one that may screw our logical thinking aspect part up. Someone that I do not one with town (with that attitude) during later days. but he changed a bit. So i'm willing to wait to see how he changes and no longer be a distraction of town.
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On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote: Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid.
Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town.
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On June 28 2014 01:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote: I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting. For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation. I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote: [quote] Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right?
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[quote] I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. 1) Why does the mafia start the mislynches? You don't explain this at all, only that the lynches aren't necessarily contradictory. 2) Can't you make your own list? Go ahead and do it, it might help your point better than if GlowingBear (who disagrees with you at this point) did it, so why bother asking for one? It's not terribly difficult or time-consuming either.
1) Mafia probably started the mislynched (like this one) so that they could get away with responsibility.
2) My list would be something like my scumread list. After all, vote analysis affects it.
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On June 28 2014 04:12 Epishade wrote: Well, I didn't really have much to say during Night 2. Still don't really. Cats seemed like an objectively good shot, to me, unlike Token, which nobody else seems to care about why Token was shot.
I really don't feel like I have much to add now. Nobody but me thinks Teemursu is scummy, so I guess arguing for that is a lost cause. Whatever...
If anybody cared to want to know my current scumreads, I could only tell you who I think is mafia, but I really have nothing to back that up with. Just hunches right now.
Hobbit seems a little suspicious to me, but nothing to really go on for him, and I don't feel like filter diving anymore. mtamburini, I kind of change my mind right now. I think he's just trolling, and I was with Haruhi for lynching him over that, when it's not exactly the right move to make, as much as I think he deserves my vote. Teemursu I haven't changed. Poof I also think may be scum, for finding things that I'd do regardless of my alignment alignment indicative, such as caring how others perceive my posts and taking time to word my posts carefully. meatpudding I've never seen as clear town, and, though I've never seen him as clear scum either, I think he has the possibility to go either way. His lynch would probably give the most information (outside of maybe Haruhi or Teemursu imo) if he came up scum, so I wouldn't mind voting for meatpudding at this point. He was on Token's scumlist too, which is partially what I've been relying on this whole game for forming my opinion. Everybody else except Templar, idk about. I still think Templar is town. Also maybe GlowBear.
##Vote: meatpudding
so what do you intend to do from now on? Lurk?
Answer my 2 questions.
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On June 28 2014 05:50 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 04:30 HaruRH wrote:On June 28 2014 04:12 Epishade wrote: Well, I didn't really have much to say during Night 2. Still don't really. Cats seemed like an objectively good shot, to me, unlike Token, which nobody else seems to care about why Token was shot.
I really don't feel like I have much to add now. Nobody but me thinks Teemursu is scummy, so I guess arguing for that is a lost cause. Whatever...
If anybody cared to want to know my current scumreads, I could only tell you who I think is mafia, but I really have nothing to back that up with. Just hunches right now.
Hobbit seems a little suspicious to me, but nothing to really go on for him, and I don't feel like filter diving anymore. mtamburini, I kind of change my mind right now. I think he's just trolling, and I was with Haruhi for lynching him over that, when it's not exactly the right move to make, as much as I think he deserves my vote. Teemursu I haven't changed. Poof I also think may be scum, for finding things that I'd do regardless of my alignment alignment indicative, such as caring how others perceive my posts and taking time to word my posts carefully. meatpudding I've never seen as clear town, and, though I've never seen him as clear scum either, I think he has the possibility to go either way. His lynch would probably give the most information (outside of maybe Haruhi or Teemursu imo) if he came up scum, so I wouldn't mind voting for meatpudding at this point. He was on Token's scumlist too, which is partially what I've been relying on this whole game for forming my opinion. Everybody else except Templar, idk about. I still think Templar is town. Also maybe GlowBear.
##Vote: meatpudding so what do you intend to do from now on? Lurk?Answer my 2 questions. More than usual, yeah. Nobody seemed to care about my points made about Token's death, Poof's claim that I have a scummy mindset because I generally think about how people will view my posts before I post, or Teemursu's dismissal of just about everything I say,. Everything I brought up was just discarded as wifom, which I still thought should be taken into account for. If you're going to treat everything as wifom, why even bother conversing with each other, when surely a mafia could say anything to sound townie and someone could dismiss that as wifom, too. If I have something to say, I'll say it, but don't expect me to do anymore digging, as much or as little as I may have been doing this game. I answered your question about my current reads right now up above. Though as for Hobbit and Glowbear, I change my mind on Hobbit right now. I reread what he said last night. I think they're both town. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. Makes sense to me. Is town. No reason for mafia to bother switching votes and changing opinions. Oh wait, that's wifom...can't take that into account... + Show Spoiler +For clarity, I do consider Hobbit town right now. Screw wifom.
You know this is potentially lylo right If there are 4 maf, then its 5/4. A ML would change it to 4/4 and 3/4. Scum wins. If there are 3 maf, then its 6/3. A ML would change it to 5/3 and 4/3. 1 last day left.
This could be your last day to make the case. Bring it up and let's discuss this properly. Ignore all previous comments about wifom.
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And I'm not letting you lurk.
1) why is cats an objectively better shot?
2) why is a tolkien shot bad? Who could be responsible and why?
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On June 28 2014 11:08 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:Look here. Even if your wagon on Templar was right, epishade was allowed to basically afk past n2 and post a useless post. On June 26 2014 14:43 Epishade wrote: I'm all for lynching mtamburini after that vote. I don't know about you, but for me, who still scumreads epishade, I don't think we should neglect him. I want epishade to start talking right away. ##Vote: Epishade Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 05:56 HaruRH wrote:
You know this is potentially lylo right If there are 4 maf, then its 5/4. A ML would change it to 4/4 and 3/4. Scum wins. If there are 3 maf, then its 6/3. A ML would change it to 5/3 and 4/3. 1 last day left.
This could be your last day to make the case. Bring it up and let's discuss this properly. Ignore all previous comments about wifom. "Yeah, Templar might be scum but let's vote for a lurker like we did every mislynch even though it might be lylo."
"Lets ignore the fact that pressure votes exist and all votes are final"
Hey meatpudding, your read on me is horrible. So im scumread for thinking vigi exists, and then apparently I'm 'misdirecting' town? Great analysis there. I want you to re-read all the things I've said out loud and see if they make sense. If they still don't, then I'm giving up on you.
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On June 28 2014 11:16 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:29 HaruRH wrote:On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote: Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid. Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town. ... Are you serious? Mafia are careful, WHY would they switch up their game if their strategy was working???
Exactly. Why switch up when they can lurk past this game?
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No seriously hobbitus. You're not making any sense now. I suspect you're just dumping all you can because this could be lylo. Trying to make a play? Trying to let potential scum lurk? Instantly flipping all your townreads and expect everyone to do the same? Wifom the shit out of everyone? You're misdirecting town so bad, if templar flips town, both you and glowingbear are getting the axe. But of course, this could already be lylo and lynching templar would win you the game.
##Unvote ##Vote: Hobbitus
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I have filter dived hobbitus properly (I made sure to re-read all posts and link them to context, such as what he was replying to, when was it and what was he thinking at that time). I came up with a few damning evidence. At least, for me.
1)Rapid change of tone and willingness to throw away their image
At the beginning, hobbitus was playing very passive with no strong pushes at all. He was mainly interested to read people's response and come up with ideas, then go with the general flow. He has never strayed away from the general lynch targets (D1, MM (lynched->town)) (D2, epishade ->not lynched). His reasoning have also been very politically correct thus far. (Nothing that seems scummy at all, answers all questions properly)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2014 07:26 Hobbitus wrote:Bear, I am leaning slightly town on you. I can follow the logic of your arguments and you put a decent amount of effort into your reads, which is a good start. Well, that precisely, it's a start. You were a little later to the game than the rest of us, so I need more time/posts to get a stronger read. I think this is your most interesting post so far: Show nested quote + I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I read Haru as town as well, but I like that you are still thinking of him even when he is in your town pile. On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote: MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ On June 27 2014 09:50 Hobbitus wrote: Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all. PS: Notice the use of words 'might', 'quite', 'think', which indicates passivity
Will hobbitus hard push anyone? you asked. Well, on n2, on a flip of a switch, hobbitus instantly turned into aggressive|hobbitus, with nearly 0 uses of such passive tones. He turned aggressive overnight, over a span of an hour, because of a slight suspicion of Templar that turned into a full blown 'case'. Not only hobbitus, but glowingbear as well. This is generally not a good sign, since they are not consistent with their own image and are willing to blow their towny image in exchange for a potential mislynch. 'Why would that be a threat? If Templar flips green, we can lynch them both, right?' My answer is that today might potentially be the last day, because of how we don't know the scum count. If there are 4 scum, we have 5 town left and today would be the final day. Their image will not matter as long as they get the last town lynched. If there are 3 scum, we have 6 town left and today will not be the final day, and all mislynches will cause tons of havoc given how much they are pushing right now. Therefore, I came up with 2 conclusion: 1) both hobbitus and glowingbear are scum because both showed that they are willing to 'flip their reads altogether' just to lynch today. 2) Either one of hobbitus or glowingbear is the scum, and one of them is leading the Templar train while the other is hoodwinked into following him. The third option exists, which is that 3) They are masons and agreed to push together, but I highly doubt this is the answer.
2) General lack of empathy for town
This is even more apparent when he turned into aggressive|hobbitus. + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2014 11:28 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5) (1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear. (2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment. (3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors. (4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town! (5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here? 1. Maybe you haven't noticed but town is fucked. Scum has no reason to risk anything with an "against the grain" play. 2. What? I have no control over what he says? 3-5. What are you even talking about? I am not a total moron, if I realize something is not working for me, I try something new. Cats flipping town fits with my new way of thinking. Does that mean I'm 100% right about everyone? No, but at least I have a theory about how scum is playing that makes sense now.
Definitely, this is not a major point and can easily be disputed, but for someone like hobbitus, who I read as flowing with town agenda for the past few days, this is not a good read.
3) Flipping reads
Granted, this is another disputable point, but surprisingly enough, most scum flips their read during the last day. For example, in TL Order Mafia, all the scum flipped their reads almost immediately during the lylo (I know we shouldn't be talking about other games, sorry!). This could be explained by the fact that most people are exhausted with the game by now (D3~D5 is where people start being exhausted with games. Likewise, I am exhausted and this is my final big push) and people are more susceptible to any strong reads thrown at them. They are willing to end the game quick, even if it means a loss. However, his flips are backed up with last minute reasonings that doesn't mix well with me.
+ Show Spoiler +his reads on N1 On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny D2 On June 25 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote: templar Town: haru Wolfy: kotc OUTTED WOLF: jabber
Everyone else I have no idea rn, like I said, after the flips I really feel I need to reevaluate.
N2 On June 27 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm) HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer) Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details) GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night) Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against) Epishade-scum (see post) mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night) Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3: -why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him) -take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie. -possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid Reasons for flip: Templar: On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote: Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar: Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile jabber glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd) pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1. On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote + Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to. Note: I am not going to bother trying to argue why the scumread on me 'says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer' is bs. also, : mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum)
Copchecks are usually used on players that flip opinions too fast, faster than flipping burgers during the night because this is just suspicious, especially if Templar flips green. normally, people would not flip their reads so quickly, over a span of 12 hours. none of his reads on n2 and d3 rubbed well against me simply because there was too much of a dramatic change in opinions that could not really be explained. Most of his reasoning shows panic or hastiness to end the game fast:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. On June 27 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town? note: I am also not going to dispute why this read is wrong. On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol.
I normally condense all my points into 3 major points, but I think this warrants a point by itself:
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Interaction with GlowingBear
Glowingbear apparently came up with the same conclusion as Hobbitus during the course of N2:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2014 10:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote: Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Admitting this makes me worried. There's a huge problem in this. That's what I wanted to know about Hobbitus when I asked poof filtering him, but it turns out that it came out as a read on you. Gonna filter dive you after dinner. On June 27 2014 11:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote: Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that? I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
Note: and of course, most of his 'facts' about the game isn't true. Only 1 mislynch was because of contradictory posting, while the other 3 deaths definitely do not include people whose posts are contradicting. Note2: His points could be used on hobbitus, surprisingly. On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote: Beginning wake-up processes… Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised.What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. note: Again, this can be used on hobbitus (point 1) and surprisingly, glowingbear himself. Note2: Again, a false fact. 1 mislynch only because of contradictions. On June 27 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote: I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting. For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation. I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote: [quote] Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right?
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[quote] I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. I've said they don't compromise themselves, they follow the mislynches. I'm not saying that mafia is starting those mislynches, I'm saying the mafia is identifying these mislynches and are following them. I'll expand what I wrote at the end of N1 as soon as I get to my pc so I can clarify it better Note: Again, can be used on Hobbitus, both his votes were for people who had bad reasoning (MM and epishade).
I think I have rattled on too much. This interaction with glowingbear is weird : glowingbear puts up points that obviously can be used on hobbitus, but calls him towny for the same reason he called Templar scum. (Let's not lynch by bad reasoning, glowingbear can be spared today). However, hobbitus's inconsistency is too much. He seems to be acting like his own posts : When he posted about catching scum from inconsistency, he instantly became inconsisten with his attitude. Glowingbear also put up a good point I will use (only half of it, because I don't agree with the other half. Blue roles also sometimes become scared of lynches and choose to defend themselves from lynches over finding scum) "The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour". The biggest behavioural change I have seen throughout the course of the game is hobbitus.
TL;DR
Tonight is definitely the night that decides our fate. If everyone sheeps hobbitus/glowingbear and Templar is town, game over because we have to decide who between glowingbear or hobbitus is the correct scum (assuming we have 3 maf and today isn't lylo). If everyone sheeps me and hobbitus is scum, at least we know we will catch scum from either glowingbear or hobbitus (also, assuming today isn't lylo). That's why, I think Hobbitus is the correct lynch for today because the change between hobbitus and glowingbear is very different.
Do not just read this part because you're lazy. finish my masterpiece. I am done. I will not post until the flip because I am soooo exhausted with this mafia game. I will only answer questions that are very important.
Read p3:
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finally, to answer hobbitus's questions:
On June 28 2014 23:46 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 13:28 HaruRH wrote: No seriously hobbitus. You're not making any sense now. I suspect you're just dumping all you can because this could be lylo. Trying to make a play? Trying to let potential scum lurk? Instantly flipping all your townreads and expect everyone to do the same? Wifom the shit out of everyone? You're misdirecting town so bad, if templar flips town, both you and glowingbear are getting the axe. But of course, this could already be lylo and lynching templar would win you the game.
##Unvote ##Vote: Hobbitus Oh. My. God. If I were mafia, I would be horrible mafia for making such a risky play when the game was pretty much won for me. The whole "letting potential scum lurk" thing is such bullshit. Yeah, let's continue to go after the people who we have almost NO INFORMATION ABOUT. That's not an incredibly easy way to get town to mislynch for seemingly justified reasons, that's not a scummy play at all. And exactly, exactly. If I suddenly flip all my reads, what are the chances of getting all the other town to do the same? There is literally no reason for me to make that play! Yup, vote me because I'm pressuring you and Templar. Please continue to question me so I can demonstrate quite clearly to townies that I am making sense and that you are scummy as fuck thx.
No. This is the perfect time to do so. If I did not catch the inconsistency with your posts, I would also have sheeped you.
The chances are really high to be honest.
No. I did not vote you because you pressured us. In fact, even if you pressured Templar correctly, I don't care. Read my read on you.
Something that D1/D2|Hobbitus would not say. Thanks for proving my point.
On June 28 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 13:21 HaruRH wrote:On June 28 2014 11:16 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:29 HaruRH wrote:On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote: Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid. Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town. ... Are you serious? Mafia are careful, WHY would they switch up their game if their strategy was working??? Exactly. Why switch up when they can lurk past this game? Mafia haven't been lurking obviously. Everyone suspected of being mafia because of lurking or incoherence or basically being a bad townie HAS FLIPPED GREEN. If we haven't lynched a single scum, then obviously the mafia are somewhat involved in the game.
Your analysis is still wrong. If I tell you that 3 in 4 lurkers are town lurkers and we have eliminated most of the town lurkers, leaving behind mostly scum lurkers, would you believe me? No. you're tunnelling.
your sample size is also very small. 2 lynches that were started in a whim (Tolkien & Kotc started MM lynch because of his bad posts that made them pissed) is not a good point for argument.
funnily enough, you helped made the MM lynch possible.
I'm out of time and this is probably the posting cap. I will be back when its nearly flip to see what changed.
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Teemu, I want your comment on my giant wall of text. I am so rxhausted right now
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On June 29 2014 03:34 Epishade wrote: You know what? Teemursu and meatpudding wouldn't be voting for each other if they were both scum. And since I'm leaning more toward Teemursu being scum than meatpudding, I'm gonna change my vote to who I think is more likely.
#Unvote #Vote: Teemursu
Epishade, did you read my case?
Also you townread both of them (by saying they cant both be scum), then why are you voting for either?
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So right now, we must consolidate our votes on templar, epi or hobbitus. I want to lynch epi and hobbitus.
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Also, glowingbear, I ask you this question:
1) Hobbitus did not instantly came to the conclusion. He only stated that he found templar to be quite scummy. However, he locked in to templar almost instantly and he has never been this aggressive in his pushes before. What are your takes on his behavourial changes?
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On June 29 2014 07:03 Hobbitus wrote: Fuck it, if Templar is town I'll never forgive myself
##vote: HaruRH
I did a 3 hour-3 post kong analysis of all your posts.
Put in the same amount of effort before you vote for me. Or else I'm dismissing it as OMGUS.
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Give me time to evaluate between hobbitus and epishade.
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I don't have time to post anymore. It's 6am here. I will definitely miss the flip so i'm leaving my vote with epi for today. Let's talk properly and consolidate our scumreads on n3.
##Unvote ##Vote: Epishade
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On June 29 2014 07:32 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 07:18 HaruRH wrote: I don't have time to post anymore. It's 6am here. I will definitely miss the flip so i'm leaving my vote with epi for today. Let's talk properly and consolidate our scumreads on n3.
##Unvote ##Vote: Epishade There's not going to be a night 3 if it's lylo and you vote me. I like how you assume that there is going to be a night 3 if I get lynched, almost as if you were so sure I were scum, but you really knew I wasn't! That sounds like the kind of thing scum would say to appear townie when they knew there actually wouldn't be a night 3. ##Unvote ##Vote: HaruRH
Fuck I can't sleep. I drank so much monster energy to watch SGDQ and its 6.40am now ;_;
An epishade lynch is a gamble I am willing to make over a templar lynch. Considering both could be town (nobody is 100% scumread), in my eyes, your % is much, much higher. Even if n3 don't come, I won't regret choosing my own scumread over a forced lynch on templar, which I will also regret for my life if he flips town.
You, on the other hand, seems desperate to make someone else other than you, get lynched. You know meatpudding and teemu is your top scumreads, but you chose to vote me instead. Congrats, now you're my top scumread.
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"And yeah, all my posts reek of panic -_- if anything Haru is promoting everyone to panic with lylo this, lylo that. "
"I like how you assume that there is going to be a night 3 if I get lynched"
Can somebody explain wtf am I supposed to do now.
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On June 29 2014 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 07:53 HaruRH wrote: ...
"And yeah, all my posts reek of panic -_- if anything Haru is promoting everyone to panic with lylo this, lylo that. "
"I like how you assume that there is going to be a night 3 if I get lynched"
Can somebody explain wtf am I supposed to do now. Don't OMGUS, don't focus single posts, evaluate the whole picture and have in mind voting Hobbitus would be a waste of vote as nobody else seems to be willing to vote him, even Templar is lurking.
No, what I meant was that hobbitus basically told me not to spread panic with lylo here lylo there, and when I stop using it, epi is using it as a scumread.
So what am I supposed to do?
Everyone oitside of the 4 of us are lurking. 5 out of 9 players are lurking.
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I'm done. I was leaving hints everywhere that I was cop. read my case against hobbitus. Only the first word of every 2nd paragraph.
I WILL COPCHECK GLOWINGBEAR TONIGHT.
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Also, d1 rb d2 meatpudding green
The more you know.
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Last night, you contacted your superiors and found that the Vulcanizing program indeed does exist.
It is only logical to assume that Meatpudding is a member of the Enterprise's crew.
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Last night, you contacted your superiors and found that the Vulcanizing program indeed does exist.
It is only logical to assume that Meatpudding is a member of the Enterprise's crew.
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I JUST WOKE UP JEEZ WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT
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On June 29 2014 12:48 mtamburini wrote: WTF TEEMU IS TOWN HE PULLED OFF OF NYDUS TO GO ONTO SOMEONE ELSE
##VOTE TEMPLAR
Why at the last second????
##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini
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??? EPI WHY ARE YOU THIKINH
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On June 29 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Haru jumping on him as soon as epi votes him, NO
??? I got on him when poofter got on him.
I'm on phone.
I just woke up.
A 5 hour sleep.
Just for this game.
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##Unvote ##Vote: epishade
I'm just sheeping poofter now.
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INB4 epi flips town and poofter is scum
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Yea you're probably lynched teemu.
If my count isnt wrong.
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On June 29 2014 13:22 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:44 HaruRH wrote: Last night, you contacted your superiors and found that the Vulcanizing program indeed does exist.
It is only logical to assume that Meatpudding is a member of the Enterprise's crew. Aren't you not supposed to post stuff like that? :\
As long as I don't take pictures of my pm, it is fine.
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Posting the pm, or sharing the pm.
I only posted the check.
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On June 29 2014 14:05 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote: Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this posted after n2, where "cop Haru" got a green check on mp? -_-
Correct me if I'm wrong, I have been pushing meatpudding for the past 2 days. If I suddenly townread him for an unknown reason...???
Also, a red on mp doesn't change much. I never pused meatpudding on d3.
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I also hope you notice how mp was at the bottom of all my reads d1/d2, but I moved him up d3.
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Sorry but I don't flip my reads. I never do.
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On June 29 2014 14:11 Hobbitus wrote: OOOH he moved up to only the second scummiest. That would be fine if there were only 1 scum in the game -_-
OH MY GOD HOBBITUS STOP TUNNELLING ON ME
YOURE SUFFERING FROM A BAD CASE OF OMGUS CONTACT MEDICAL OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY
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I have literally 0 excuses to put mp on even my fencereads. If I posted a bs reason, it will definitely smell like bs.
I'm not flipping my reads.
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HOW THE F DOES IT MAKES SENSE
IT MAKES SENSE FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO ARE WILLING TO CALL A GUY STRONG SCUM 12 HOURS AFTER YOU CALL A GUY STRONG TOWN
OMG. IN ANY CASE, IF I READ MP AS BLACK, OR EVEN GREEN, SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN
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On June 29 2014 14:18 GlowingBear wrote: You're both making sense. I think that kind of justifies his hard push on you. Only Teemu voted mp D3. If he tells not to push mp he would show he is a cop. I think if he really is a cop he did a fine job. Really.
Exactly exactly exactly. I have 0 reasons to put mp on fence or town. Putting him above epi should already hint things.
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Hobbitus is tunnelled so heavily on me, everything I do is scum. Even if he had to conjure out his own 'facts'.
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On June 29 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Haru jumping on him as soon as epi votes him, NO
This. I literally voted 5 posts before epi voted, but you chose to think that epi voted for mtam, then I voted.
I am still weirded out by your tunnel, even when shit hit the fan.
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Teemu can you flip yourself Im breeming with anxiety
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OOOO WHY THE FK DID I SHEEP POOFTER
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Teemu could have avoided the lynch by voting for epi, why didn't he? Smells scummy
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On June 29 2014 14:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:58 HaruRH wrote: Teemu could have avoided the lynch by voting for epi, why didn't he? Smells scummy HAHAHAHA I'm so glad he couldn't make it
LOLOLOL I thought he was trying to save his scumbuddy
Poofter may be able to reclaim his honour (maybe?)
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On June 27 2014 15:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 14:03 mtamburini wrote: All vts are dying did we really get stuck with no roles this game?
Will do vote analysis tomorrow. Going to bed now super tired was modding a Video Game. So bunch of dead Vt's Cop with red check out today. If you have two green checks alive probably out otherwise use your own judgement. Vigi might consider claiming. Medic don't claim. I might be all of these roles or none.
In case you're wondering why I didn't come out sooner, its because I had neither a red check nor 2 green checks. Coming out now would have just been scumfood.
Gimme 1 min, ill show you my hidden message for the doubtful
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On June 29 2014 00:53 HaruRH wrote:I have filter dived hobbitus properly (I made sure to re-read all posts and link them to context, such as what he was replying to, when was it and what was he thinking at that time). I came up with a few damning evidence. At least, for me. 1)Rapid change of tone and willingness to throw away their imageAt the beginning, hobbitus was playing very passive with no strong pushes at all. He was mainly interested to read people's response and come up with ideas, then go with the general flow. He has never strayed away from the general lynch targets (D1, MM (lynched->town)) (D2, epishade ->not lynched). His reasoning have also been very politically correct thus far. (Nothing that seems scummy at all, answers all questions properly) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2014 07:26 Hobbitus wrote:Bear, I am leaning slightly town on you. I can follow the logic of your arguments and you put a decent amount of effort into your reads, which is a good start. Well, that precisely, it's a start. You were a little later to the game than the rest of us, so I need more time/posts to get a stronger read. I think this is your most interesting post so far: Show nested quote + I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I read Haru as town as well, but I like that you are still thinking of him even when he is in your town pile. On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote: MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ On June 27 2014 09:50 Hobbitus wrote: Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all. PS: Notice the use of words 'might', 'quite', 'think', which indicates passivity Will hobbitus hard push anyone? you asked. Well, on n2, on a flip of a switch, hobbitus instantly turned into aggressive|hobbitus, with nearly 0 uses of such passive tones. He turned aggressive overnight, over a span of an hour, because of a slight suspicion of Templar that turned into a full blown 'case'. Not only hobbitus, but glowingbear as well. This is generally not a good sign, since they are not consistent with their own image and are willing to blow their towny image in exchange for a potential mislynch. 'Why would that be a threat? If Templar flips green, we can lynch them both, right?' My answer is that today might potentially be the last day, because of how we don't know the scum count. If there are 4 scum, we have 5 town left and today would be the final day. Their image will not matter as long as they get the last town lynched. If there are 3 scum, we have 6 town left and today will not be the final day, and all mislynches will cause tons of havoc given how much they are pushing right now. Therefore, I came up with 2 conclusion: 1) both hobbitus and glowingbear are scum because both showed that they are willing to 'flip their reads altogether' just to lynch today. 2) Either one of hobbitus or glowingbear is the scum, and one of them is leading the Templar train while the other is hoodwinked into following him. The third option exists, which is that 3) They are masons and agreed to push together, but I highly doubt this is the answer. 2) General lack of empathy for townThis is even more apparent when he turned into aggressive|hobbitus. + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2014 11:28 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5) (1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear. (2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment. (3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors. (4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town! (5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here? 1. Maybe you haven't noticed but town is fucked. Scum has no reason to risk anything with an "against the grain" play. 2. What? I have no control over what he says? 3-5. What are you even talking about? I am not a total moron, if I realize something is not working for me, I try something new. Cats flipping town fits with my new way of thinking. Does that mean I'm 100% right about everyone? No, but at least I have a theory about how scum is playing that makes sense now. Definitely, this is not a major point and can easily be disputed, but for someone like hobbitus, who I read as flowing with town agenda for the past few days, this is not a good read. 3) Flipping readsGranted, this is another disputable point, but surprisingly enough, most scum flips their read during the last day. For example, in TL Order Mafia, all the scum flipped their reads almost immediately during the lylo (I know we shouldn't be talking about other games, sorry!). This could be explained by the fact that most people are exhausted with the game by now (D3~D5 is where people start being exhausted with games. Likewise, I am exhausted and this is my final big push) and people are more susceptible to any strong reads thrown at them. They are willing to end the game quick, even if it means a loss. However, his flips are backed up with last minute reasonings that doesn't mix well with me. + Show Spoiler +his reads on N1 On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny D2 On June 25 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote: templar Town: haru Wolfy: kotc OUTTED WOLF: jabber
Everyone else I have no idea rn, like I said, after the flips I really feel I need to reevaluate.
N2 On June 27 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm) HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer) Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details) GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night) Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against) Epishade-scum (see post) mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night) Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3: -why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him) -take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie. -possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid Reasons for flip: Templar: On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote: Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar: Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile jabber glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd) pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1. On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote + Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to. Note: I am not going to bother trying to argue why the scumread on me 'says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer' is bs. also, : mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) Copchecks are usually used on players that flip opinions too fast, faster than flipping burgers during the night because this is just suspicious, especially if Templar flips green. normally, people would not flip their reads so quickly, over a span of 12 hours. none of his reads on n2 and d3 rubbed well against me simply because there was too much of a dramatic change in opinions that could not really be explained. Most of his reasoning shows panic or hastiness to end the game fast: + Show Spoiler +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. On June 27 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town? note: I am also not going to dispute why this read is wrong. On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol. I normally condense all my points into 3 major points, but I think this warrants a point by itself: LOL POST LIMIT
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On June 29 2014 15:10 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 00:53 HaruRH wrote:I have filter dived hobbitus properly (I made sure to re-read all posts and link them to context, such as what he was replying to, when was it and what was he thinking at that time). I came up with a few damning evidence. At least, for me. 1)Rapid change of tone and willingness to throw away their imageAt the beginning, hobbitus was playing very passive with no strong pushes at all. He was mainly interested to read people's response and come up with ideas, then go with the general flow. He has never strayed away from the general lynch targets (D1, MM (lynched->town)) (D2, epishade ->not lynched). His reasoning have also been very politically correct thus far. (Nothing that seems scummy at all, answers all questions properly) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2014 07:26 Hobbitus wrote:Bear, I am leaning slightly town on you. I can follow the logic of your arguments and you put a decent amount of effort into your reads, which is a good start. Well, that precisely, it's a start. You were a little later to the game than the rest of us, so I need more time/posts to get a stronger read. I think this is your most interesting post so far: Show nested quote + I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands. But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I read Haru as town as well, but I like that you are still thinking of him even when he is in your town pile. On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote: MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote: Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ On June 27 2014 09:50 Hobbitus wrote: Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all. PS: Notice the use of words 'might', 'quite', 'think', which indicates passivity Will hobbitus hard push anyone? you asked. Well, on n2, on a flip of a switch, hobbitus instantly turned into aggressive|hobbitus, with nearly 0 uses of such passive tones. He turned aggressive overnight, over a span of an hour, because of a slight suspicion of Templar that turned into a full blown 'case'. Not only hobbitus, but glowingbear as well. This is generally not a good sign, since they are not consistent with their own image and are willing to blow their towny image in exchange for a potential mislynch. 'Why would that be a threat? If Templar flips green, we can lynch them both, right?' My answer is that today might potentially be the last day, because of how we don't know the scum count. If there are 4 scum, we have 5 town left and today would be the final day. Their image will not matter as long as they get the last town lynched. If there are 3 scum, we have 6 town left and today will not be the final day, and all mislynches will cause tons of havoc given how much they are pushing right now. Therefore, I came up with 2 conclusion: 1) both hobbitus and glowingbear are scum because both showed that they are willing to 'flip their reads altogether' just to lynch today. 2) Either one of hobbitus or glowingbear is the scum, and one of them is leading the Templar train while the other is hoodwinked into following him. The third option exists, which is that 3) They are masons and agreed to push together, but I highly doubt this is the answer. 2) General lack of empathy for townThis is even more apparent when he turned into aggressive|hobbitus. + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2014 11:28 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 01:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5) (1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear. (2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment. (3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors. (4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town! (5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here? 1. Maybe you haven't noticed but town is fucked. Scum has no reason to risk anything with an "against the grain" play. 2. What? I have no control over what he says? 3-5. What are you even talking about? I am not a total moron, if I realize something is not working for me, I try something new. Cats flipping town fits with my new way of thinking. Does that mean I'm 100% right about everyone? No, but at least I have a theory about how scum is playing that makes sense now. Definitely, this is not a major point and can easily be disputed, but for someone like hobbitus, who I read as flowing with town agenda for the past few days, this is not a good read. 3) Flipping readsGranted, this is another disputable point, but surprisingly enough, most scum flips their read during the last day. For example, in TL Order Mafia, all the scum flipped their reads almost immediately during the lylo (I know we shouldn't be talking about other games, sorry!). This could be explained by the fact that most people are exhausted with the game by now (D3~D5 is where people start being exhausted with games. Likewise, I am exhausted and this is my final big push) and people are more susceptible to any strong reads thrown at them. They are willing to end the game quick, even if it means a loss. However, his flips are backed up with last minute reasonings that doesn't mix well with me. + Show Spoiler +his reads on N1 On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote: EBWOP: Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny D2 On June 25 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote: templar Town: haru Wolfy: kotc OUTTED WOLF: jabber
Everyone else I have no idea rn, like I said, after the flips I really feel I need to reevaluate.
N2 On June 27 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote: Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm) HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer) Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details) GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night) Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against) Epishade-scum (see post) mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night) Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3: -why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him) -take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie. -possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid Reasons for flip: Templar: On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote: Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar: Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile jabber glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd) pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1. On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote + Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to. Note: I am not going to bother trying to argue why the scumread on me 'says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer' is bs. also, : mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum) Copchecks are usually used on players that flip opinions too fast, faster than flipping burgers during the night because this is just suspicious, especially if Templar flips green. normally, people would not flip their reads so quickly, over a span of 12 hours. none of his reads on n2 and d3 rubbed well against me simply because there was too much of a dramatic change in opinions that could not really be explained. Most of his reasoning shows panic or hastiness to end the game fast: + Show Spoiler +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. On June 27 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town? note: I am also not going to dispute why this read is wrong. On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol. I normally condense all my points into 3 major points, but I think this warrants a point by itself: LOL POST LIMIT
Missed DEFINITELY
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Fk it ill just do this.
I have filter dived hobbitus properly Will hobbitus hard push anyone? Definitely, this is not a major point and can easily be disputed Copchecks are usually used on players that flip opinions too fast Glowingbear apparently came up with the same conclusion as Hobbitus during the course of N2 Tonight is definitely the night that decides our fate.
I spent 3 hours layering my paragraphs like that.
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On June 29 2014 15:30 Epishade wrote: Haruhi, how is ANYONE supposed to be able to decode that? Your paragraphs are split apart with spoilers in-between, and some paragraphs don't even start with the words you want in your code.
I hope cryptography isn't your passion.
1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th paragraphs. Ignore spoilers.
I thought somebody will pick it up :/ first time doing these stuff
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Also I planned for my 3 posts to be 1 post, but I exceeded the 10k post limit. LOL also ignore the LOL POST LIMIT at end of 1st post
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Poofter came in and townread teemu. Said he will be surprised if teemu flips scum.
Mtam comes in and wanted to lynch teemu, but changes and called him strong town afterwards.
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Right, I'm calling the scum out now. I demand a jail from the jailer, if he is still there. JAIL ME
Other than jail, I don't see my method of survival for today tbh.
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So what are the chances that jailer don't exist? Hmmmm looks like a gamble. But I definitely need to gamble with my life here. Lets gamble
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I got jailed.
Jailer exists guys
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On June 30 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote: So this is the best time to claim the blue role. Do it now.
No this is not. Claiming jailer now would just get the claimer killed. Then ill be killed. We havent found our scum yet.
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Dont come out yet jailer. Thanks for the jail. Nearly saved my life.
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On June 30 2014 13:10 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:08 HaruRH wrote: Dont come out yet jailer. Thanks for the jail. Nearly saved my life. It didn't save your life. I wished jailer had done differently, as you would have been able to investigate someone then, if you are cop. Jailing you for your protection was not a better gamble than jailing someone else and hoping you weren't shot so you could investigate.
That's the problem lol. Too bad we didn't have a medic, or else I could check a few more guys.
But then, I would still be roleblocked. My role is essentially useless when I have to shout it out loud.
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I am willing to bet that I was rb, but jail> rb so it didnt send a message here.
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On June 30 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:07 HaruRH wrote:On June 30 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote: So this is the best time to claim the blue role. Do it now. No this is not. Claiming jailer now would just get the claimer killed. Then ill be killed. We havent found our scum yet. If nobody claims being jail keeper I'm going to hop on the wagon against you because it is so easy to mafia kill a guy you green checked just to fake confirm your role as a cop. No, It's not WIFOM at this point, specially after you attempt to cryptography a message
Exactly. It is so easy to do so, why would I do that?
If I'm scum, I would do something that makes you all believe that I am indeed jailed, such as doing a no kill. But I am just a sitting duck now, rb to the end of earth.
Also, it is not wise to go for a blue even if you know him, because there is a chance he could be jailed. Like I am right now. Going for a confirmed town in mp is a better choice than trying to shoot me anyway.
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On June 30 2014 13:26 GlowingBear wrote: It would be better if you were dead. You're not a confirmed town as meatpudding was and you are no more than a vanilla since you can't check. Killing meatpudding was so more predictable than killing you. I don't believe jailer hasn't put though on that.
I'll wait and see if someone is claiming.
Before that, what do you think of the Templar and Hobbitus right now?
You're going to tell me that there isnt a single blue role in a game of 15 people.
Killing mp and me was another gamble. Prisoner's dilemma.
Hobbitus? I have never seen someone as tunneled as him. Every fking thing I do is scum. Every. I refuse to even care about him anymore. I should have checked him on d2 instead of mp.
Templar? He is quite lurky, posts thoughts about things he missed but never posted reads. At least he posted stuff, unlike mtam and poofter, who coasted through n3 without a single post.
Hobbit, get the fuck off me now. I am seriously irritated and annoyed with your tunnelling. I am not the only possible scum. Who do you think are the others and why.
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On June 30 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: This game is exhausting. Not much to say tonight except mp would be a good night kill if Haru was scum. Also asking to be jailed = no check tonight, easier to continue fake claim.
Seriously, does no one else see the major problems with his claim?
Updated Reads
HaruRH-scum Tehpoofter-town GlowingBear-town easily influenced, be careful Meatpudding-town Epishade-town (based on vote analysis) mtamburini-town The_Templar-scum
What makes you so sure that hobbit did not kill mp today so that he could incriminate me further?
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On June 30 2014 20:48 Hobbitus wrote: I was thinking about that too bear, but I think there probably is a jailer. Templar claimed he was jailed n1 which seems like too much of a risk/too premeditated to make haru's cop claim useless.
Haru, I think you are scummiest, so I am pushing you the most. Give me someone with a more convincing case than you and I will "tunnel" (do my damn job as town) on them.
No, its not possible. When you're tunnelled onto someone, you outright ignore all possibilities except those that confirm your target as scum. There is nothing that can be done to shake the tunneller off you. -> experience from being tunnelled and tunnelling someone before I can guarantee you 100% that any cases I put up will be used by you against me and it just deepen your tunnel. I already gave up trying to make you get off me. Now its up to you to see what's really happening in this game. Even if I am scum in your eyes, I am definitely not the only scum in the game. I also gave up on trying to convince you because I don't want to quit this game yet. Although none of my cases were taken seriously (my long and well thought out read/case on you were dismissed by everyone with one simple sentence: 'nah he can't be scum because I still townread him'. I don't know if you ever had this before, but it is immensely frustrating. Coupled with you tunnel on me, I have the urge to just disappear and afk from this game, like what poofter and mtam are doing , while getting a free 'town' card for doing nothing. Why did I bother being serious in this game anyway? Yea, its my first blue role game in tl mafia so I felt an extra need to help propel town to find scum. That was what I was doing d1/d2, invoking discussions. Also, I felt a need to make sure everyone concentrated on this important game of mine. Thats why I wws so fking pissed with mtam for trolling on his entrance. That's why I'm so pissed at you, hobbitus for tunnelling on me when everyone else just afk and comes back 1 hour before the deadline and disappear. That's why I'm pissed that scum is just making your tunnel on me worse by making every single thing you said about me come true. (Mp death = haru scum -> mp really dies) I'm nearly done with this game, but not quite. At least glowingbear and epishade are thinking right now. If thry aren't giving up, I don't want to. If youre town, hobbitus, get the fuck off me now. Or else you'll regret tunnelling on a town like how rainbows tunnelled on me, got me lynched, and was depressed that I flipped town.
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And for the hidden message thing, I was pretty sure people will catch onto it because those sentences start out very awkwardly. Definitely noticeable for someone who bothered to read it, over skimming it.
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Yes. Poofter and mtam needs to show up. I also said that you both can be a pair of mafia and town. I'm inclined to believe you're town. I also mentioned that I don't want to scumread you because of your bad logic at first. Also, you got out of your behavioural change. I'm glad. But hobbit isn't and most likely won't. This, I'm not as thrilled. ##Vote: Tehpoofter
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On July 01 2014 02:47 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 02:20 HaruRH wrote:On June 30 2014 20:48 Hobbitus wrote: I was thinking about that too bear, but I think there probably is a jailer. Templar claimed he was jailed n1 which seems like too much of a risk/too premeditated to make haru's cop claim useless.
Haru, I think you are scummiest, so I am pushing you the most. Give me someone with a more convincing case than you and I will "tunnel" (do my damn job as town) on them. No, its not possible. When you're tunnelled onto someone, you outright ignore all possibilities except those that confirm your target as scum. There is nothing that can be done to shake the tunneller off you. -> experience from being tunnelled and tunnelling someone before I can guarantee you 100% that any cases I put up will be used by you against me and it just deepen your tunnel. I already gave up trying to make you get off me. Now its up to you to see what's really happening in this game. Even if I am scum in your eyes, I am definitely not the only scum in the game. I also gave up on trying to convince you because I don't want to quit this game yet. Although none of my cases were taken seriously (my long and well thought out read/case on you were dismissed by everyone with one simple sentence: 'nah he can't be scum because I still townread him'. I don't know if you ever had this before, but it is immensely frustrating. Coupled with you tunnel on me, I have the urge to just disappear and afk from this game, like what poofter and mtam are doing , while getting a free 'town' card for doing nothing. Why did I bother being serious in this game anyway? Yea, its my first blue role game in tl mafia so I felt an extra need to help propel town to find scum. That was what I was doing d1/d2, invoking discussions. Also, I felt a need to make sure everyone concentrated on this important game of mine. Thats why I wws so fking pissed with mtam for trolling on his entrance. That's why I'm so pissed at you, hobbitus for tunnelling on me when everyone else just afk and comes back 1 hour before the deadline and disappear. That's why I'm pissed that scum is just making your tunnel on me worse by making every single thing you said about me come true. (Mp death = haru scum -> mp really dies) I'm nearly done with this game, but not quite. At least glowingbear and epishade are thinking right now. If thry aren't giving up, I don't want to. If youre town, hobbitus, get the fuck off me now. Or else you'll regret tunnelling on a town like how rainbows tunnelled on me, got me lynched, and was depressed that I flipped town. I wouldn't know that feeling...
Yea epi that's the same stuff I'm feeling now. A want to give up. No mood to continue. No motivation.
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I'll kill either. Both aren't doing anything that is helping town right now
##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini
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On July 01 2014 22:05 Hobbitus wrote: The only two people I will vote for is Templar or Haru. The two of them have been defending each other this entire game. As soon as I start to make my case on Templar, Haru comes out of nowhere and starts attacking me. Then when I have the audacity to call him out on his cop claim (WHICH MAKES NO SENSE), I'm (1) tunneling, I should (2) get the fuck off him, and (3) he is just going to ignore me.
So basically he wants to (1) discredit me and my reads as OMGUS when I was never on him in the first place, I was going after Templar (2) make me back off (3) refuse to acknowledge any arguments I make because if he keeps arguing with me it's eventually going to become obvious he's scum
Look at how easily he's switching from poof to tamburini, because "they aren't helping." Isn't it a little late in the game to be lynching people for lack of contribution? Isn't that the same argument he's been using all game to get town lynched? He doesn't care who gets killed, as long as it isn't him or Templar.
still tunnelled.
1) nope 2) yes 3) nope
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On July 01 2014 02:20 HaruRH wrote: I can guarantee you 100% that any cases I put up will be used by you against me and it just deepen your tunnel. I already gave up trying to make you get off me.
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On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote: You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying."
Nope.
Case on you? pfft made so many I lost count.
And no, I don't want to push you because I realised that scum is just manipulating us from the shadows. Waiting till eod to appear. how convenient.
Well, just stay in your haru tunnel. Don't make people convince you that mtam is scum since you cant even convince yourself.
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On July 01 2014 23:38 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 11:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd rather lynch mtamburini than Templar tbh. Templar is at least participating Also, just note that Templar/Haru jumped on the mtam bandwagon after poof voted him and bear posted this. In b4 me posting this fact is tunneling.
sure.
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On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha
On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one
It makes more sense IMO when mtam/scott is not greened out.
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I just woke up.
Wut we got scum? How is templar scum? =.=
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On July 02 2014 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 17:08 HaruRH wrote: I just woke up.
Wut we got scum? How is templar scum? =.= You know, there is a guy named GlowingBear and specially a girl named Hobbitus who made their cases on Templar. He played scum pretty well then. I was wrong on him. His arguments felt so... me. Like it felt like something I might have said.
Oh well. Now 1 or 2 scum left?
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On July 03 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote: I can work a case on Haru, poof, Epishade and mtamburini using my main post as the source of my interpretations. The problem is deciding what is the better case right now. You bring very good points concerning Haru, but his arguments (besides refusing answering you) also makes sense. The problem is: is he lying or is he desperately trying to save town doing these stuffs?
Don't you think having a cop, a jailer and a vigilante is too much? If you think a jailer and a cop is enough, then you've got another argument against Haru because he considered so bad the possibility of a vigilante right now.
Alright. If we have a jailer, please put a lot of thought when deciding who to jail. Read some posts and try to think what mafia would do when (1) having privileged information and (2) knowing what townies are thinking of themselves.
I would also ask you to consider trying to jail scum, as we might have just one left. If you manage to jail the killer, no kill will happen and we will be able to lynch mafia with precision
yes, I think having 3 roles is too much for town at this point. Most likely there isn't a vigi. I just attributed the n1 shot as a vigi shot since I don't see scum motive for it.
To respond to the rb question, I got rb d2, nothing d3 and jailed d4. Idk why there wasnt a rb d2 and 3. Either people did not report it or scum decided not to roleblock (they thought no blue exist?) Or that it hit the jailer and he did not want to say it since there was no jail claims d2.
Either jail me to prove my innocence or jail your most likely scum target. Jailing me gives the extra benefit of overlapping with the rb
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Jailed again. Stop jailing me jailer. Jail your most suspected person next. I sent action to check you at night, but my check didn't go through since I was jailed. I think jailer might have hit scum on d2. Templar (scum) claimed jail on d1 and nothing happened d2. Jailer could have jailed the mafia rb and since no rb went through, rb was hesitant to claim jail as it would expose him.
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EBWOP: d3* I got the order mixed up. D2 templar jailed, d3 nothing, d4-d5 haru jailed
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N1 (D2) - tolkien (no result, roleblocked) N2 (D3) - Meatpudding (town) N3 (D4) - epishade (no result- jailed) N4 (D5) - mtamburini (no result - jailed)
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I think that on n2 (d3), one of 2 situation happened. 1) jailer jailed rber and thus rb didnt pass. 2) jailer got rbed and thus couldnt claim rb without letting everyone know hes the jailer
It is more likely that 1) happened since they did not try and kill the jailer yet? Or 2) could be the case. They probably didnt know they hit jailer until I said it now
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Or 3) someone got jailed/rbed but didnt come clean -> less likely
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Lol didn't realise it was so close to deadline already.
Tbh, I have nothing else to proof my cop role. After all, the jailer jailed me for 2 days in a row and didnt allow me to check anyone. I was pretty useless this game. Couldn't confirm any of my scum reads
Right, after lynching me, please look at poofter, mtam and hobbit. My guess is theres only 1 scum left so d6 will be lylo. Jailer, dont jail anyone. After all, having 3 people at lylo is better than 4. Lynch into poofter/mtam if they are still alive. I have also been borderline scumreading hobbit the entire game, but tunnelled when hobbit tunnelled on me, and thus read her as scum.
Scum have been waiting for this moment lol. Free mislynch into haru for d6, mitigating the lylo situation. That's it, I'm out. Will miss the end of day.
I'll put my vote on poofter. You all know who to lynch on d6.
##Vote: TehPoofter
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Was fun guys. Just a few large hiccups along the way, or else we would have won T.T teeeeeeeemmmmmuuuuuu why no vote epishade nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu If he voted epishade -> lylo templar claim jailer and say he jailed hobbit d3 (so hobbit didnt say cos he roleblocker)
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Such rekted.
Actually, we got the game figured out early on. We figured out there was little to no blues in the game given how we though tolkien was our biggest blue suspect, we could safely think theres probably 0-2 blues.
As such we created jailer and roleblocker d1 so that jailer can save our asses and roleblocker can incriminate people on lylo.
Yea, my cop claim pretty much banked on the fact that templar had to be the fake jailer or else it wont work, since nobody else would claim jailer.
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On July 05 2014 13:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote: Was fun guys. Just a few large hiccups along the way, or else we would have won T.T teeeeeeeemmmmmuuuuuu why no vote epishade nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu If he voted epishade -> lylo templar claim jailer and say he jailed hobbit d3 (so hobbit didnt say cos he roleblocker) That would've been shot down since Templar claimed N1 roleblock and you claimed being jailed. One of you clearly lied about that then, and someone is bound to pick up on that. But yes, town by D3 was in a complete clusterfuck situation. Then a stroke of luck saved it. Well more appropriately your WTF cop claim and subsequent demands for jailing. Also: SO YOU THOUGHT I WAS BLUE? LOL
??? D2 -> me roleblocked, templar jailed D3 -> no claims D4 -> cop claim, jailed and roleblocked
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On July 05 2014 17:14 Amiko wrote:GG guys! I like discussing games after they finish up. I have more to write about, but here are some general thoughts I had while watching the game as a co-host. I'm still relatively new to forum mafia so I can be wrong or dumb on these things :D but they were what I thought as an observer, at least - All-Vanilla Setup I don't know if Slam had any lessons in mind when he decided to use an all-vanilla setup, but I think having an all-vanilla game stressed the value of attentiveness and scumhunting. This town didn't have any cop checks or medic saves to rely on - in fact, town actually had to disbelieve every power role claim and successfully lynched mafia day 3, 4, and 5. Mafia FakeclaimsI give mafia credit for bravery in their elaborate power role claims, but I feel it was SO risky and I don't think it was so necessary. The mafia claims essentially implied that the game included a jailer (town), roleblocker (town or mafia), and eventually also that there was a cop (town). First off, it poses problems if the actual blue roles are in the game. If there was a jailer in this game, wouldn't they tend to disbelieve the players claiming to be jailed (because 2 jailers seems so powerful!). Similarly, had there been a cop in the game, I feel they would have disbelieved HaruRH's claim (2 cops is wow!). This isn't to say that fake-claiming is a bad thing, particularly if it reveals the actual blue role. But here, the mafia's fake claims seemed like they may be overexersions. The fake claims implied the existence of 3 roles, but, only the three mafia would ever fake-claim being affected by those roles. So the roleblock and jail must always affect HaruRH/Teemursu/The_Templar to be effective. If no roleblock is claimed, it would suggest to the (non-existent) jailor that he/she jailed the roleblocker. So, once one mafia fell, the claims of the other two should have become increasingly questionable Claiming VTI'll mention that although it worked to get Haru killed, I personally feel it is really a mistake to claim that you are a VT. Understand that this rarely provides any benefit to town (they can't trust you) but does provide benefit to mafia (they feel they shouldn't shoot you). Obviously you can be lying, but I feel that town tends to be more truthful about that sort of thing. Imagine that you are a cop and someone else in town claims VT. What does this mean? Maybe that player is a lying mafia (and is trying to get other people to claim VT) so they can narrow down who to shoot. Maybe that player is a truthful town, but in that case they have narrowed down who mafia should shoot. From my point of view, claiming VT is just making it easier for the mafia to kill your blue roles, and usually it should be held back. On this note, claiming VTs did help you identify HaruRH on D5, realize that this result was pretty much inevitable once The_Templar died. If we reached 3 players, no one would claim jailor and HaruRH would still die. I really don’t think mafia had any way to win after Templar died except by hoping town didn’t pay attention to the jailed claims. That said, I think Haru’s best shot after Templar was lynched was to try to steer the discussion in some direction (any direction!) as soon as possible so that people didn’t think about the night actions. I think the slow pace may have encouraged town to be willing to easily claim VT. VotingThe votes Day 2 were almost certainly going to lynch a town. Looking at the vote count, it would only take one vote to pick between five different wagons! And, there were quite a few outs for players to try to move their votes to survive, even for legitimate reasons! If there are five wagons and all only have 2-3 votes, and you know there are probably 3-4 you also know that mafia can control the vote.Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. It really is just lucky that Teemursu wasn’t able to get his vote in on D3. I don’t think that would have necessarily ensured a mafia victory, but if mafia had three votes to play with, I really think it would have been difficult for this town to consolidate properly. Things I haven't written yet but want to address-> Some notes in the hostqt and obsqt for things to mention later > Templar scumslip > scum m373 > D4 vote and responses > Coaching related notes (glowingbear) > High scum activity; but not using town direction
Lol amiko, we thought of this as well.
Firstly, we knew that templar and teemu are usually not around during eod. This means that they could claim very late and still be fine. Secondly, by presenting myself and templar as 'top town', we made sure to divert attention to us, and all subsequent actions on us. Thats why I wanted templar to be the one carrying out actions since I had the possibilty to be jailed. Also, even if templar was jailed and couldn't shoot, his top town status ensured that people would believe he was shot but being jailed saved his ass. Third, I was worried about cop too. But the amount of people we blue read who scumread teemu early on but didnt come out with a red check on teemu means that it was safe to claim cop. The roleblock fake was useful - during lylo. Imagine youre presented with the situation : templar jailed hobbit d3, no roleblocks were claimed that day. This could only mean that hobbit was the roleblocker. Templar also made sure town couldnt consolidate votes properly d1, where he kept confusing town. Killing off tolkien only added to this effect since he was the only one worried about consolidating votes. I was definitely dead when templar didnt claim jail and died.
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On July 05 2014 19:42 marvellosity wrote: mafia fakeclaims threw the game for mafia it seems, much as how town fakeclaims often throw the game for town.
No lol More like mafia not fakeclaiming this game would definitely lead to a loss I wouldnt be able to survive a lynch given how tunnelled people are Neither would templar
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On July 05 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote: Yes I fucked up. Sorry.
No you didnt fuck up You did what you thought was right I did what I thought was right Teemu did what he thought was right
And we all learnt what is right
I shouldnt have tunnelled and argued I shouldnt have played suboptimally I shouldnt have used meatpudding as a good excuse for reads I should have strongly pushed either of you and made it look real town I shouldnt have made people change their reads on me I shouldnt have let everyone flip their reads (I still find it dumb lol) I fked up
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ROFL that sick burn
Our QT was so many pages long omg
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