EPTOn June 26 2014 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fellow townies. I guess we suck.
Gonna sleep.
Well, fellow townies. I guess we suck.
Gonna sleep.
He only had 3 votes and 2 of those were replacements Banks and mtamurini.
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
June 26 2014 04:25 GMT
#1501
He only had 3 votes and 2 of those were replacements Banks and mtamurini. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 04:25 GMT
#1502
On June 26 2014 13:23 mtamburini wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 13:14 mtamburini wrote: On June 26 2014 13:12 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else. Guity conscience of someone who voted on a town because he edited by mistake? Sounds like you had a lot of perfect information on the matter, why didnt you defend him harder? Cos he edited. 100% scum. Im done with your sarcasm. I was done with your irresponsibility about 3 pages ago. Nice to see you catching up. | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 04:27 GMT
#1503
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 04:28 GMT
#1504
On June 26 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 13:23 mtamburini wrote: On June 26 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 13:14 mtamburini wrote: On June 26 2014 13:12 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else. Guity conscience of someone who voted on a town because he edited by mistake? Sounds like you had a lot of perfect information on the matter, why didnt you defend him harder? Cos he edited. 100% scum. Im done with your sarcasm. I was done with your irresponsibility about 3 pages ago. Nice to see you catching up. Way to be productive by not doing anything end of day. Very town of you. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 04:30 GMT
#1505
On June 26 2014 13:27 mtamburini wrote: Cop checking HaruRH would be a great check. His last posts have been nothing but troll and non productive. He calls Nydus town but does nothing to try and save him from being lynched. What the actual f? Please quote where I said nydus was town. I simply said that voting on nydus because he edited is a stupid way to mislynch a town. Did I say he was 100% town? Troll and non productive? Sounds like.................... you guessed it! | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 04:33 GMT
#1506
On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote: On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote: On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote: On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote: On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote: On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote: On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote: On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote: [quote] * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Quoting myself in case people say that I think nydus is town and thus didn't vote him/save him etc | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
June 26 2014 04:33 GMT
#1507
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
June 26 2014 04:41 GMT
#1508
On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else. Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 04:48 GMT
#1509
On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else. Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie. Wat. Nobody had a proper case against nydus. Teemu voted nydus for pressure. He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target. | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
June 26 2014 04:57 GMT
#1510
On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote: My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote: I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts. But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment. After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine: Show nested quote + On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote: On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote: On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote: On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote: On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.  I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote: Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good. I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play. Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote: Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..? I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads? Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read. Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_> Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote: On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote: On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL @meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target. On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote: On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote: I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.  I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes. I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly. | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
June 26 2014 05:06 GMT
#1511
On June 26 2014 13:48 HaruRH wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote: On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote: Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else. Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie. Wat. Nobody had a proper case against nydus. Teemu voted nydus for pressure. He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target. I know, I'm just frustrated. What I posted is literally what happened, and yet that's not the proper analysis at all. | ||
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Hobbitus
222 Posts
June 26 2014 05:07 GMT
#1512
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 05:15 GMT
#1513
On June 25 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote: @nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow. Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 05:17 GMT
#1514
On June 26 2014 11:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 26 2014 10:43 The_Templar wrote: On June 26 2014 10:33 mtamburini wrote: On June 26 2014 10:31 The_Templar wrote: On June 26 2014 10:18 mtamburini wrote: On June 26 2014 10:16 The_Templar wrote: On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote: Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good. Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town. How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum? I would get on reading that thread ASAP, you have 3 hours to vote. Also lol at the bolded part, I wouldn't quite assume that yet with so little time, so I hope you're joking there. BROOOOOBER is that youuuu! Ummm… what? O.o I guess you're not the person I thought you were...... Lol, probably not Teemu, Banks, Simba and I thought he was big/lil temp too Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 01:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Nydus. You never explained the contradiction in these posts. On June 25 2014 11:38 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 25 2014 11:16 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote: On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote: On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote: On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote: I can at least agree with you on KotC. I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter.  TheKingOfScum  On June 25 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [quote] What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. So are you saying that you initially read my post as jumping on him for no reason and after rereading it realized that that wasn't what i was doing or are you saying that you missed my post completely and read it after you posted your initial read on meatpudding? Also he never said that i scumread him. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: [quote] When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: [quote] The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: [quote] So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote: I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: Unvote LordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler + LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler + Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote: Responses to recent posts in this thread. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote: On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote: On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote: On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote: Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference? + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games). + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote + It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't. + Show Spoiler + Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote: On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote: On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote: On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure. My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. Ok, if we ignore the fact that the main reason you gave for thinking MM was scum is observably false was there anything else about his play that struck you as scummy? Also do you have any reasons to think me or Templar could be scum other than weak or non-existent reasons that are tied to one of your townreads flipping red? I skimmed through the posts and stopped around teemu/templar/mp's when the interactions happened and started focusing. Thought I read you saying you wanted to push or something like that. Reread, realized you said nothing about that. Er he didn't say you scumread him but he said you wanted to lynch him. We were voting at the time between MM and MP and I thought MP was towny, MM wasn't really pinging my town radar after I had given him a townread. The shit he was saying was weird and scummy. Templar I'm unsure about hence my fence read on him. For you, I'm actually starting to read you townier and townier as you start to fight with me but otherwise, gimme a minute and I can build a case. I'm just responding quickly so that you stop headbanging because I can't seem to respond to everyone at once. Really, you're now saying that at the time you voted for MM you thought meatpudding was townie? Because two hours ago you said this: On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: [quote] I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [quote] What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote: I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: Unvote LordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler + LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. JabberWockZerg: Town + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote: Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. HaruRH: Town + Show Spoiler + Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote: Responses to recent posts in this thread. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote: On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote: On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote: On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote: Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference? + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games). + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote + It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't. + Show Spoiler + Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote: On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote + On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote: On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote: On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote: On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote: As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote: On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote: Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes. I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e. I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though). My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar. I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor. Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure. My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. MM was a little scummier to you than meatpudding, implying you also thought meatpudding was scummy at the time but slightly less so than MM. Care to explain this seeming contradiction? Also. What about this post led you to believe that i was pushing meatpudding? On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote: Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Because even if you just "skimmed over it" i don't see how you could've come to that conclusion. Please do so. Also i want you to go into detail about what else you thought was scummy about MM because voting him for something you had to know was false unless you weren't even paying attention to your own reads and adding that his posts were "weird and scummy" isn't good enough. Show nested quote + On June 26 2014 07:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: On June 26 2014 06:42 Teemursu wrote: I want to see more pressure on Nydus. ## Vote: NydusHerMain I completely agree. Nydus had to have known that the main reason he gave for voting MM was false and unless he provides satisfactory alternate reasons for voting MM i can't see myself voting for anyone else today. ## Vote: NydusHerMain  ##Unvote ##Vote: NydusHerMain | ||
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Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 05:18 GMT
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June 26 2014 05:20 GMT
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June 26 2014 05:40 GMT
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June 26 2014 05:43 GMT
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June 26 2014 05:50 GMT
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June 26 2014 09:02 GMT
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