Cell Mini Mafia II - Page 72

On June 01 2014 11:27 slOosh wrote:
Yea ok this is really weird.

Gut read, IAmRobik is scum because he doesn't have any analysis or meaningful reads or anything on the three lynch candidates.

You see posts like these where he affirms it himself



No nothing.

But in that same post is something I'm finding incredibly towny:

I find it hard to believe that scum would have the foresight to be able to call out something like this. Usually as scum you just sheep along other people, maybe parrot some words here and there if needed. All you need is to stick your vote on someone and just enough that people don't do a double take. Gaming the setup like that seems like a very advanced play for uhh what seems like a ... newer mafia player.

So I'm mulling over that right now

... but chances are that he is probably scum because he hasn't done crap trying to figure out his own cell's alignment the day they are getting lynched. It's just weird.

##Vote: IAmRobik

On June 01 2014 05:02 mtamburini wrote:


That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment.

To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous.

My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet

I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats

On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.

On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.

On May 31 2014 03:33 LoneMeow wrote:
Counting of votes:

OdinOfPergo (0): Palmar
ritoky (2): mderg, Palmar
Meapak_Ziphh (5): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (8): mtamburini, ShiaoPi, batsnacks, Meapak_Ziphh, Tehpoofter, ritoky, Holyflare, 27ninjabunnies

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched.
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On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.

On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed.

rofl. okay.

On June 01 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:


Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still.

Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc.

On June 01 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


how i read your case: "this persons reads shouldnt change because i dont think they shouldve changed because of a thing that happened in the thread."

i guess contextual reads dont exist either.

On May 30 2014 13:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare

below is a quote of his mayoral platform:

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at a glance, it looks really nice and well put together so it makes you think that he cares about the position and the fact that hes trying to solve the game. the reality of it is that theres no content at all in this post, or almost any of the posts that follow:







obviously he wants the position, but the underlying mindset is that he wants it without giving the town anything in return. he eventually gave up running for mayor when ritoky started rolling around the thread and tryharding, and trying to solve the game on day 1 is generally a town trait.

eventually, holyflare gives us something:



nothing useful here. just a bunch of useless, generic advice that makes people think youre interested in the town agenda. its really easy to speculate on setup while looking town because it makes people think youre doing stuff. cell is still new so people dont know what to do, so its really easy to throw out cell layout advice and look like youre contributing.

later on he wound up dropping his candidacy because he wasnt "really" running for mayor.



what? what does that even mean? how does that even coincide with his earlier post, where he posted his own artwork and went and bbcoded everything? the reality of it is that he realized someone was running for office based on content and he couldnt keep up with that so he dropped out of the running.



obviously it was important enough for you to want to make a giant, well-written albeit empty post about it.

then theres the fact that hes trying to push an agenda of buddying throughout his game, as evidenced here:







(bonus points here because hes running his platformless mayoral campaign as well)



after rereading a bunch of holyflare's games, the common theme between his scum games is that he pushes an agenda of buddying people and winning votes rather than trying to solve the game. the brevity of his filter looks good from a town point of view, but the reality of it is that hes pushing his agenda under the veneer of being the "big brother" of the thread.

then there are his interactions with cell D:



tbh, i can see where he is coming from here, because none of us have done anything and we sho-

...wait:



wat. how is this consistent with his views of a shitty cell D? sloosh does a thing and its fine, but apparently cell d is still a shit group because he doesnt like it apparently.

i dont draw conclusions between unflipped players, but that doesnt really erase the fact that something happened here in terms of how holyflare's demeanor towards cell d, especially when he reacts to my initial (content-loaded) posts earlier in the thread:



OWS posted a case so that means that he doesnt look good. sloosh posts a (shit)case and he "steps up?" wut? this doesnt really make sense when he wants people to do things in their cells only to try to discredit them and the lack of interest in gathering more information in the thread doesnt make sense from a town point of view.

instead, he attempts to throw doubt on someone in a mostly inactive cell before someone else "steps up" with information that doesn't really make sense and then townreads them for it. the townread itself was horrifically inaccurate because misinformation (despite the fact that mz is actually probably mafia) isnt good for the thread because people will just poke holes in terrible cases, or end up following said terrible cases to mislynches.

then there's his reaction to said townread:



this statement does not indicate trying to explain a poor read. its a justification of a rather poor read by trying to play it off as a joke. HF actually has no idea how to react to this accusation but tries to play it off anyway. its an indication that he knows more than he actually should.

and then theres the entire thirteenth page of his filter which is basically just a load of active lurking to boost his postcount. not good. not necessary. not town.

lynch holyflare when his cell rolls around. kthx.

On June 01 2014 12:30 Holyflare wrote:


You are implying he had reads to begin with. Why are you defending robik so much. He had 0 reasons for mz to be town. Absolutely 0, he had said so himself. Consensus was on mz by almost everyone bar 2-3 ppl (a very likely number in a bussing situation) and he had a town read on the person he voted for. His only only only reason for switching is an inevitability that would happen to a caught scum anyway.

Nothing to do with what I think should have happened, it's what is obvious to robik if he actually thought that process was occurring.

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?

On June 01 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


because the reasons people are scumreading him arent really consistent with his posts. he clearly had a reason for why he thought mz was town: the fact that both members of his cell were voting him. he had 0 reasons otherwise, which is something youre misrepresenting in your post.

and the reason im defending him is because i dont think hes scum. lol. what a weird thing to say.

though one thing i think is really funny:



lol.

##vote: holyflare