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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:50 GMT
#1381
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 31 2014 18:54 GMT
#1382
On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????

How can it be this hard to understand???????????
If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:57 GMT
#1383
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.

The same goes for pretty much everyone else.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:58 GMT
#1384
On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????

How can it be this hard to understand???????????
If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.


So then why is the conclusion mafia?
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 31 2014 19:01 GMT
#1385
On June 01 2014 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????

How can it be this hard to understand???????????
If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.


So then why is the conclusion mafia?

Because you are lying. While lying is not a 100% scumtell I don´t think you would have any reason to do that as town.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 31 2014 19:03 GMT
#1386
On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.

The same goes for pretty much everyone else.


I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 19:05 GMT
#1387
Let's take the scenario that you're presenting.

Mafia holyflare says he knows town mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons. (as if people would listen to this) Town mderg returns so that he can just say he's not mafia and these reasons mean nothing. I have achieved nothing, this is a terrible mafia play and you should feel silly for thinking it is.

Town Holyflare says he knows mafia mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons but tries his best to elaborate in legal boundary pushing because he believes this to be true but ultimately nothing comes out of it as mafia mderg returns and says lul no reasons! Used to bolster case in later game!

Town hf attacks town mderg with what he believes to be true etc etc mderg says lul no reasons hf mafia!

Hf gets lynched and flips mafia - mderg safe TOTAL PRO MOVE FOR SETTING UP SUSPICION THERE

Hf gets lynched flips town - only real scenario where what i did makes sense and would bolster future town reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 19:08 GMT
#1388
On June 01 2014 04:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.

The same goes for pretty much everyone else.


I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell.


No you absolutely have to prove it to me because everything that happens later in the game can be bussed to look good, can be bolstered to look better etc etc. If you are fully accountable for everything now and prove your townyness now they don't have to read into mafia favoured info later.

I can't see why youre disagreeing with trying to look towny now rofl?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 19:28 GMT
#1389
I can't follow what you guys are talking about.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 31 2014 20:02 GMT
#1390
On June 01 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E?


cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit

cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things


That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment.

To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous.

My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet

I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 20:09 GMT
#1391
I agree with mtamburini about Holyflare's read on bunnies. I think bunnies is mafia in Cell E.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:17 GMT
#1392
On June 01 2014 05:02 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E?


cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit

cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things


That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment.

To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous.

My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet

I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats


And since when have you played enough forum mafia to decide when things are horse shit or not? It's not the effort it's the effort when it didn't need to be done. if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 20:20 GMT
#1393
Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:25 GMT
#1394
On June 01 2014 05:20 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching.


Exactly, which is why it's so unlikely for mafia to do that much effort when the mislynch is pretty much set in stone. Mafia don't generally go to more troible than they need to do which is why it boggles my mind why you say bunnies is the mafia over both mderg who spread his scum read over all 3 people and then voted ritoky for mediocre reasoning or layabout who did....?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 20:39 GMT
#1395
I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example:

On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.

## STATS


I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at.

I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch.

What if you rngd and landed on MZ?

Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right.

That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.


Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:45 GMT
#1396
On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example:

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.

## STATS


I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at.

I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch.

What if you rngd and landed on MZ?

Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right.

That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.


Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.


She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me.

Re:steveling golden sun

You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 31 2014 20:45 GMT
#1397
right so ima spend time queued up for wildstar server on this

IamRobiks is my current pick for scum. His posting as a whole is quite strange particularly at the start
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 20:55 GMT
#1398
On June 01 2014 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example:

On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.

## STATS


I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at.

I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch.

What if you rngd and landed on MZ?

Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right.

That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.


Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.


She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me.

Re:steveling golden sun

You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout.


If you're talking about your conversation with mderg today, I don't think you have anything on him. He said he had a feeling about Palmar being town and I think you tried to create something out of that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 21:04 GMT
#1399
That's not the only point... How about you read his filter and make some conclusions instead?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 31 2014 21:17 GMT
#1400
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.

Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote?
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