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On April 19 2014 08:49 Bill Murray wrote: I'd like to sit this out That's not /in | ||
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His first 5 posts should explain everything. | ||
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On April 27 2014 08:56 Palmar wrote: Well since no one is killing caller Blow me town ##Pardon prplhz Reason, people want to kill him. I thought I could pardon at the deadline to ruin the day but the nuke lands before that, so I guess I'm just pardoning whoever people want to lynch right now. You just gave us as much reason to kill you as we do Caller now... ##Unvote: prphlz | ||
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It's possible I actually feel better about this vote than the previous one. Psych Palmar! | ||
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1) Posting behavior when mafia His mafia filters here and here are characterized by long posts where he feels the need to explain everything he's thinking. If you scroll through them you notice that his average post length is a good 4 lines or so and there are plenty of posts with chunks of paragraphs. Much similar to what's going on this game. In his town games however, his posting is more sporadic and concise. Look here and here and here. You'll notice immediately that a vast majority of his posts are one-liners. Of course he still has the long posts but they are few in number. The key here is that when he's town he doesn't feel the need to explain absolutely everything and he's perfectly fine with just posting whatever whimsical idea comes into his head via a one-liner. 2) Reaction to getting lynched When he got lynched as town in Boardwalk he was really pissed about it: On April 15 2013 11:33 strongandbig wrote: i already went into that. checks tonight should be on oatsmaster, RO, and me. (but you guys are being stupid). I think you all are morons for lynching me; sure, if you guess correctly and i'm scum, then we can end the game a bit faster, but the safe way for town to play is to keep all the dts alive until we can check everyone. the fact that all you impulsive morons (geript, mocsta, vivax, etc) don't see this makes perfect sense to me, but the fact that keirathi doesn't see the sense in this worries me. There are more posts like that in the game where he calls everyone stupid for wanting to lynch him. Yet in this game is reaction to getting lynched is: On April 27 2014 23:12 strongandbig wrote: Meh If people are going to call me scum for including nuance and being honest in my description of my thought process so be it Let me tlmafia it up for you, I'll feign certainty and reduce the actual explanation That's hardly the level of enthusiasm I'd expect out of him. If I recall in Sicilian mafia he kinda just rolled over when it came time to lynch him. He'd still post and refute the claims but he was hardly aggressive about it. On Palmar: I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game: On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote: Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments. 1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend. 2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today. 3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort. ##vote strongandbig Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later. On prphlz: I don't want this to be forgotten later, but this guy spent 5 posts over-explaining why Caller is an idiot. Check prphlz's filter and look at this first five posts or so, I've put them in a spoiler here since it's a bit long: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 21:20 prplhz wrote: First of all, because we have a posting limit this game, can people please answers questions posted at them? It's going to be a waste of posts to post questions several times just because some asshole ignores them. Doesn't even matter if you think the questions are important, the only reason you should ever not answer a question from someone else in this thread is if you have a firm scum read on them AND you are short on time. ##Vote Caller I am voting Caller because what Caller has done so far points at him being scum. He has fired a pretty much random nuke 10 posts into the game at someone who didn't post yet and you could not reasonably expect to have posted yet. It's a completely random nuke. We all agree that Caller is sometimes a little off but we also agree that he's a smart guy. And smart guys don't do this if they are town because there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. I think that Caller is scum who thought "Fuck it, I'll nuke somebody and hide behind my crazy reputation" because that's much more likely than Caller being town and thinking "Fuck it". It seems like everybody is second guessing themselves on the Caller issue. @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. @BlazingHand @Oatsmaster Please explain why you think Caller is town. On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. On April 26 2014 23:52 prplhz wrote: So you're admitting that what you did was exceedingly dumb? My out for you was pretty much that you explained why what you did was town motivated but instead you're going with the "Look at me, I'm crazy Caller doing crazy stuff! Don't lynch me when I nuke random people for no reason, I'm just that crazy!"-defense and as I already said, I don't buy that. You didn't play in that game, you hosted that game. No idea where you're going with this but it seems that you're not giving two fucks about this game, more scum points for you. On April 27 2014 00:59 prplhz wrote: Palmar's alignment doesn't even matter. You don't join a game thinking "I'll fuck this up good". You just don't do that. Even if you're a lunatic, Chezinu or Alakaslam, you join thinking "I'll catch some scum, I'll do good, I'll be a good townie" but that's not what he's doing. I get the "too dumb to be scum" argument but it doesn't apply here. That argument applies when people do stuff like having a dumb scum reads. For example "he's scum for posting a smiley" or something like that, and it's not really "too dumb to be scum" it's "too paranoid not to be town". This is too dumb to be town because no one would ever do this as town, ever. And the "1for1 2dumb4scum" argument is not good, the reason it is not good is because of how much we're arguing about it now. It's simply not a 1 for 1 if you can get away with it and you can evidently get away with it with how much we disagree on it. VisceraEyes' argument that a scum Caller would shoot Foolishness/Ace is okay. I like it. I don't buy it though, Caller could easily have thought "Well, I wouldn't get away with nuking one of those guys!". You cannot reason about the motivation of a scum. Caller is scum for doing something no townie would ever do. This isn't a "that read is a little off, I don't think townies would do that", this is a guy shooting another guy 5 posts into the game. Caller even admitted that it was exceedingly dumb and he hinted that he thinks his meta permits him to get away with it. Townies don't do things they think is dumb just because they believe their meta allows them to do it without getting lynched. Completely scum. The problem I have with prphlz is that he spends so much time overemphasizing that Caller is scummy for what he did. Let's be straight: everyone, including Caller, knows that what he did is super scummy. I don't think anyone is refuting that and Caller even semi-admitted it himself in one of his posts. The fact is you spent 5 posts and many paragraphs telling the town that Caller is stupid/mafia and needs to die for it. There is no need to do this to the extent you did, especially when there's a few suspicious people sheeping along on the Caller read. Furthermore is your vote post here On April 28 2014 01:18 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Cephiro His filter is 1 post long and it's a boring list post that doesn't show real interest in thinking about and solving the game. I don't like the case on strongandbig. I simply think he's trying and that's a rare quality in this town. which is on someone who's definitely not getting lynched today. I've already had the liberty of going through Cephiro's past games. He hasn't been mafia in a while and when he is he's very apathetic in his play, while his town posts are very definitive thoughts that he's having. Based on his one post so far this game he's probably town, but a read on him later in the game will tell for sure. Really it's simple, in a day or two ask yourself, "has Cephiro been trying to help the town?" If yes, then town. If no, then kill with fire. Don't need to over-think him. And I'm also wondering why you spent paragraphs telling us Caller is scummy and needs to die and now you're going after someone like Cephiro? The actions aren't congruent. There are a bunch of people that need to take responsibility for sheep votes or for unexplained votes. In no particular order, and I could be missing a few, these people are: prphlz, VE, strongandbig, oatsmaster | ||
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On April 28 2014 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: I like that post from Foolishness. Few comments: You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess. ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts. What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there? | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: sorry, if Oats flips mafia then I think we should look at Ceph. Wording too strong. Cephiro is voting for Oats, one of the first few to vote. Doesn't seem likely unless strongandbig is also mafia with them (not advocating this as very likely). | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:14 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok dear me. Another thing and possibly bigger. Caller claims dayvig by shooting Prp. Prp is still alive. Mods have since updated vote count and Prp is still alive. Caller is lying. Ceph nuked BH. He then voted for Oats. Why does your failed nuke target not = your vote as scum target? Confused. Ceph was nuking/shooting BH to prove that he (Cephiro) does not have any day shooting abilities. Cephiro did put BH in his "scummy" list in his first post I believe. I wouldn't read into it too much. | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:35 Ace wrote: explain As everyone's agreed, what Caller did is not alignment indicative for him. I don't think anyone has brought up an argument about which way Caller is tending to lean that actually has some non-neutral basis to it. Anything said basically boils down to, "eh I think he's town just a feeling" or "eh I think he might be scum just a feeling". Really there's very little to be said about him (and yes this is a problem and he's going to prove his town to us or get shot). Now Ace, what mindset would Palmar have to be in to do what he did? Obviously he was pretty open about it in his posts: he saw he was getting nuked, immediately believed it and used his ability cause why the fuck not? If you just found out you only get to play a mafia game for 24 hours you'd probably be pissed and do the same thing right? I don't think a mafia would be in the same mindset if they found out they were about to die 24 hours into day 1. I'd expect them to be more calm about it since they have a team to support them (of course this would depend on the person in question). Furthermore, as I'm sure you are well aware, if Palmar was mafia and wanted to hurt the town he could have done way worse than what he did. Going yolo and pardoning someone who has 3 votes doesn't hurt anyone (regardless of what prphlz alignment is). What could he have done instead? Posted like he was a town and provide as much insight as possible, pardon whoever the most town-agreed person in the game is and convince all of us to mislynch Caller (assuming Caller is town of course). It probably would have worked, and as I said above I don't think there's anyone in this game right now who would be opposed to Caller dying (though he might not be the best lynch). Maybe this is all a bit convoluted and too wifomy, but Palmar reminds me of Annul when RoL faked day-vigi shot him (who was also town). The emotional state makes more sense. I won't deny that what Palmar did was "anti-town" but I hardly think that Palmar is pushing an agenda here. | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No Check one: (X) ---- Yes O ---- No Only because I have no idea how to read you though. | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Likewise. Please explain which sheep vote you would have me explain at your leisure. Your vote on Caller is what I'm referring to. After looking back I can't tell if you made that vote in jest or not. I suppose it doesn't really matter. I have no beef with you right now. | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:56 prplhz wrote: @fool did you check the cell mini mafia cephiro meta or were you too lazy? I will when it becomes a more relevant issue (focusing on snb and oats right now). I assure you I haven't forgotten. That means later tonight or tomorrow (real-life tomorrow not game tomorrow) before someone throws a fit at me for ignoring it. | ||
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On April 28 2014 13:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah no I see what you're saying. Also presumably he didn't know the nuke was fake so him /actually/ using the power looks worse because scum are more likely to fire off their power out of spite than town I guess. My question is, why prplhz? He wasn't in danger of getting lynched, so why tie himself to a scumbuddy like that if prplhz is scum? You do think prplhz is scum with him in this scenario yes? My point was that town is more likely to fire off their power out of spite than mafia, but it ultimately depends on the person. I think Palmar would do it as town moreso than mafia. But we're arguing a moot point I guess. Alakaslam, Palmar, RoL, Caller are the people that joined this vote without providing anything substantial. | ||
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On April 29 2014 02:44 prplhz wrote: @Palmar What do you make of the fact that Foolishness' top3 scum reads (strongandbig, you, me) are all town? Let's not be putting words in my mouth now. | ||
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And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise. I'll just summarize main sandroba points: 1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched. 2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard. 3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow. So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town. Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as: 1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read. 2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up. And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent. Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other. Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote: Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it. Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops. If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to: 1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say: a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond. 2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say: a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through. On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did"). Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game: 1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened. 2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct). It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? The people noteworthy here are: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: On April 29 2014 07:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Scum can't pardon other scum unless Bill Murry is hosting. The ability usually used in order to put the town a few steps back when there is a scum pardoner and generally to cause chaos. But yes, it usually does need to be used in such a way to where the person giving the pardon can escape the ire of the town the following day. But yeah, it's not the best role for scum, but's it's more useful then a vanilla scum role because it can situationally be used to fuck with the town. IIRC we had a mafia pardoner in the last game I ran, although we kind of derp'd the implementation a bit. Personally I could see the point being made that if Palmar thought he was going to die, he might as well use the power. He can be town and have had such a huge town read on prplhz which I don't think is too likely on D1, or he could be a scum pardoner who figured he'd take the chance to just fuck with the town a bit while he can (assuming the nuke was real). IMO I think scenario 2 makes more sense because no read should be that strong day 1 to the point where you would remove the towns option to kill a person. Also, let's not forget he said he was going to try to fuck us, whether or not it was an act or genuine rage it seems quite scummy to me. He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend WaveOfShadow Who is guilty of: 1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions). 2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips ) Also ##Vote:sandroba And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure. 3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it: On April 28 2014 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Also Ace hasn't mentioned NBA or posted gifs Lynch dat guy I think question today honestly comes down to which of the older vets cares the least and we lunch them S ndroba/ace/palmar/caller gogogogo On April 28 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Catastrophe was the first time I've ever seen SnB play that hard. Start to this game feels like that. I've already explained Foolishness's meta read as not being great, what are the other cases against him? I dunno this is one of those things I feel ok about, not Shadow-game VE-read amazing. I personally think we should be lynching into one of the useless vets today, because ultimately they are the ones who seem to get the most demotivated and lurky when they roll scum. Not sure what that means for Palmar specifically---I could totally see him being a jerk like that as town but I'd be perfectly fine to lynch him for his weird spitefulness. I can donate some posts maybe so we can continue this convo if necessary. What do you make of Slam's shot and random-ass addendum that he was going to shoot me? That post he made is probably the most sense I have ever seen him make, and it was BAD. Like...scum-bad. Who knows how to read that guy? 4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that. He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored. Palmar Who is guilty of a lot of things. To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now. Oastmaster Who is guilty of: 1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. 2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care. --- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out. | ||
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On April 30 2014 08:04 austinmcc wrote: Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent. This bit also doesn't quite jive with this bit [sic] You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday. Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing. You misunderstand. That paragraph means I don't know if that in itself says anything about Oats. I read that particularly thing as neutral. If you think that if Oats was mafia then more drama would have happened yesterday I can respect that. Also weren't you the one saying Oats was mafia post after post? On April 30 2014 08:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Suck it phil. Your argument collapsed on top of itself. You talk about how I am lazy and apathetic and then say that after I sheeped you I pretended to draw the same conclusion. The real reason was because I just went WOOOO VOTE SNB, then went and did other things, then eventually came back and read it when I stopped being lazy. I love you too <3 | ||
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On April 30 2014 08:40 Tehpoofter wrote: @ Foolishness, Did you read my case on Koshi? At first I thought it was one of the two of you just from reading and after filter diving Koshi I feel like what he did was get a snowball rolling and instead of pushing it let you get behind it and do the leg work and slightly cheer on the sidelines "go team" knowing SNB was town and defending his potential buddy in Oats more than pushing his lynch. I really liked your post you bring up RoL sheeping you and I read his filter after your post and he really hasn't done much at all and not coming through with his promise is scummy. My question is him sheeping you is odd what do you think of Koshi's post here: Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so??? + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it. @town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet! Koshi was one of the few posting things of substance yesterday so I thought he was town. I agree with you that his flip-flop-ness is questionable. I haven't looked at any of his past games (yet) so I'm not sure how normal this is for him. I do think you bring up some good points though, not sure if I'd shoot him yet. I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died. | ||
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Also the four people who pushed the strongandbig lynch were the first five people to vote for him (blazinghand was doing things with his vote because he has difficulties reading the clock sometime). So essentially what happened is that a bunch of people posted cases on strongandbig, voted for him, and then a large chunk of people went "hey this sounds good! vote strongandbig" and another large chunk of people went "hey this doesn't sound good! toss vote on *insert random person here*". I mean, okay Oatsmaster had a lot of votes yesterday too. But when votes were getting moved it hardly felt like mafia doing something there. If you think otherwise then you need to 1) Provide a case on why Oatsmaster is mafia (which you haven't done). 2) Show players who moved their vote around at crucial times in regards to Oatsmaster collecting votes (which you haven't done). 3) Show that the players in number 2 are mafia for reasons outside of that, like they aren't contributing, pushing an agenda, etc. (which you haven't done). Now I just took the liberty of looking through your filter this game and noticed a quite unusual turn of mindset. On April 29 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote: So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong. Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia. You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you. I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him. Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it. The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys. Then a whopping two and a half hours later you say that I'm a good lynch (before proceeding to vote me hours after): On April 30 2014 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true. And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it. I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted. Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1. I realize that time is relative, but it is awfully convenient for you to change that read as soon as I started getting heat in the thread. You even said you liked quite a few of my posts on day 1. Furthermore, your whole basis against me is this deal about mafia-controlling the lynch. A point I could almost agree to disagree about. Now if you want to be helpful to the town you're going to need to: 1) Give more than just one argument about why I'm mafia (which you haven't done). 2) Explain how my play this game coincides with my mafia play in other games or is vastly different from my town play (which you haven't done). 3) Explain why your other top mafia Oats (who you haven't pushed or made a case on) is mafia with me even though I want to kill him and was okay killing him yesterday (which you haven't done). Because I certainly have given the town all of my reads and where they are coming from, even if some are a bit haphazard. With that said, you can do the same (ya know on Oats and all his mafia scumbuddies you're so sure of) and I and everyone else would gladly love to contribute to that. But currently you are only doing the following: 1) Tunneling on one of the few players making cases and trying to steer down in the right direction (bad for the town). 2) Voting on someone on the basis that you disagree with 1-2 things they said (bad for the town). 3) Nothing (bad for the town). I also took the liberty of reading through all your past games so be on your best behavior! tl;dr Nobody cares. Ace, I'm very content where my vote is (it's on a mafia). | ||
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Also Cephiro promised us something good by half-way into day 2 and has not delivered yet. | ||
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On May 01 2014 04:43 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Read through all the filters and have enhanced my opinions and thoughts. This will only be a list post of my thoughts, I am going to elaborate further on a few people during the next few hours. Why I'm posting the list first is because I want to ask from all of you, is there any specific read of mine you'd like me to elaborate on. Depending on who asks and on what read, I may or may not comply. Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD) Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam) Players I am planning to elaborate on: Blazinghand, Koshi, Foolishness, Caller. On request: Palmar, Oatsmaster (I think most of the things I want to point about these players have been told enough times.) So yeah, there you have it. If you simply agree with some, then nice, but I'd prefer to hear why. If you disagree with some, I won't give a shit about your opinion if you don't give reasoning towards why you disagree. If you want to hear my thoughts about a certain player, explain why, and point out any certain points of importance you're especially interested in knowing my thought process on. Above is how I think the lynch went down. I may very well be wrong on something (and most likely am, calling it perfectly would be quite insane), but I'm not interesting in hearing you bash my opinion for "obviously being wrong." If you think something definitely can't be the case, then do tell. My current belief is that there are 5 members in the scumteam + 1 traitor that may or may not have been recruited yet. My assumption is: Koshi, Palmar, Caller, Oatsmaster, Foolishness + OdinOfPergo My main concern about this assumption is including both Palmar and Caller in the team. I like the theory pointed out by WoS early on, and had initial thoughts along the same lines. However I'm not so sure if these two would have the balls to pull it off or not. Palmar's panic reaction seemed genuine, and I can picture it easily in (Caller/Palmar respectively) Scum/Town, Town/Town, Town/Scum situations, but a genuine in panic reaction in a Scum/Scum reaction is something that doesn't add up. With this, I'll be around writing my cases and responding to questions (occasionally and briefly, as I may be needing my available posts today.). I would like to lynch Koshi today. I'm having trouble understanding this world where 3 active town members on day 1 (plus one confirmed town who died at night) who each posted their own cases about why strongandbig should be lynched are mafia and not say the ~8 people who have yet to post a case, contribute to the town or post their own thoughts. I'm also having trouble believing that it's in the best interest to the town to kill the people who are posting cases and contributing and just letting those ~8 people get away with doing nothing. So I would be honored if someone can explain to me why the people who sat around on day 1 are all likely town. And ya know, you can do this by responding to the cases already made or by posting your own. | ||
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"oh, 75% of the players in the game are just writing sheep posts and not posting their own thoughts. Meanwhile 25% of the players are posting reads/cases, trying to steer town in the right direction, and analyze what the mafia has been doing this whole game. Well, I know that there are more town than mafia in the game because that's how the game of mafia is set up. That must mean all the town players are doing the same thing and are in the 75%, and it must be the mafia who are the 25%." I'm legit trying to figure out the mindset behind this. Cause hot damn so many people are on board with this I'm questioning my own stupidity. | ||
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On May 01 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin. Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence. I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum. It's as you said, you're apathetic and just kinda sitting around watching this game happen. Do I think you're mafia over the other people proposed today? No. But you fit the bill and need to be held accountable. The only reason there's no heat on you is because a boatload of other people are just that much worse than you. I do give you points for actually posting in the thread more than 6 times a cycle (cough RoL, Oats, cough) even though every post your write looks like you had to climb out of a well full of acid to do so. And what do you think about the people who are fighting against a brick wall? Desperate mafia or townies trying to win? | ||
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On May 01 2014 06:13 Alakaslam wrote: K here is something. IF foolishness is scum, so also is Koshi most likely even though that makes very little sense. If foolishness is town Koshi could still be scum but most likely he is t. I'll reiterate that on day 1 I thought Koshi was town (just based off his posting and thread presence, I never did a hard analysis or anything). tehpoofter brings up some good points though that can't be ignored. I don't think Koshi should be lynched today (and probably not tomorrow either) because there's a handful of other people that need to be taken care of first (myself, Palmar, Oats, RoL, Caller, etc.). | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller. | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:30 VayneAuthority wrote: what exactly is your read on RoL or anyone else that has him as scum. I don't really have him down as anything. On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend And then combine it with his day 2 play (where he didn't do anything again...) | ||
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On May 02 2014 11:10 OdinOfPergo wrote: Also in case I die tonight, I thin Fool is still very questionable. His connection with BH isn't outstanding to me. For all I know it is not a mason chat. Or it could be a mason chat. One started by a mason as scum.. Who invited his buddy N1 (since this only started D2 when BH/Fool were both questionable...) And then Bam suddenly there is a 3 way mason and w/e Fine recruit more people. I do hope you do that. Hopefully people will see. Bh I'm pretty sure as scum. Foolish I only feel as bad about since Oats flip. I didn't like him day1 but Oats flip really makes me think he's scum. I'm not going to claim I am correct. But you will know I am not coming from it as a mafia perspective. There are other people in the mason chat who can confirm the order of events here. Also the people in the mason can confirm that I also wanted to kill Oats on day 1. I don't believe I ever said this in the thread (though blazinghand alluded to it once) but it's there. Going to go back to what was said above. "Foolishness is scum! He pushed a mislynch day 1 and is pushing a mislynch on day 2!" *Oatsmaster flips mafia* "Foolishness is scum! He clearly bussed his own teammate with his scumbuddy blazinghand!" -_- -_- -_- Tunnel Vision. Tunnel Vision. RebirthOfLegend is mafia. | ||
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That's a nice way of saying you're going on my ignore list btw. <3 | ||
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On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Well if nobody else is going to talk then I will. First of all: This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me? Other stuff: Foolishness, how about this. I will vote for RoL today. If he flips town, then you are scum. How does that sound? Because I can't honestly believe if you've been so active in this other QT that you haven't come down with a list of a few scum here beyond the megalurk that is RoL. It's like BH pointing out gumshoe as primary lynch. It's terrible and BH had zero basis on which to do it other than lurk. I'll give you that you have slightly more to go on w/RoL but it's not much, and it's low hanging fruit. (Not to mention the fact that you're playing a little differently from Shadow and Catastrophe, but that's just feels and not strong ones.) I've noticed your list for today is RoL/Caller/Palmar. This means that you've also given though to the first thing I said in this game? And yet you posted a big ol' case on me a little while ago? And still seem to think I'm scum 'but not above other people and I need to be held accountable.' How, exactly? Your thoughts really don't seem to add up in a good way this game, good buddeh. One final thing. Thoughts on Ace? Are we still waiting for him to show up and wow us? Is this one of those games where he just doesn't give a shit like so many others? As I pointed out RoL fits the bill. I posted a case. He was collecting some votes yesterday and still did nothing. Gumshoe is still a fine lynch but I still feel uneasy about it. Would not be upset and need more evidence that he's mafia. Caller and Palmar fit the bill and I would wager one is mafia. Also the low-hanging fruit is not really an acceptable argument because nearly every lynch is low hanging fruit in this game. Yes I'm fine with you cause you're here posting. I've considered the things you said. At the time when I posted my list you were definitely a questionable suspect. I said before, and you admitted it, that you are very bored this game and I can tell that in your posting. Doesn't indicate mafia though. Not going to worry about you. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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That's a very convoluted way of saying I think he's town but I really don't know. | ||
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On May 03 2014 06:46 prplhz wrote: Scenarios: Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is scum: Lets lynch Foolishness for being scum. Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is scum: Blazinghand has been fooling Foolishness in PMs for two days in a row. 4 srs? Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is town: Foolishness has been foolish Blazinghand in PMs for two days in a row. Lets lynch Foolishness. Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is town: Lets not lynch Blazinghand. Foolishness is 100% scum and needs to die. Today. Tomorrow we can talk about other things but for now we need to kill Foolishness. JAT, I'm sorry I ever doubted your intelligence. I will buy you dinner should I ever get the opportunity to. | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:26 prplhz wrote: Hey Foolishness who do we lynch today? Blazinghand has a better chance of flipping mafia. ##Unvote: RebirthOfLegend ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote: Don't celebrate too early. I don't see that much reason to disagree with him tbh. Oh it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you guys are wrong about me. That's not what I was driving at. | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh really? Care to explain the rationale behind this? Are we ever going to be let in on your super secret dealings? How much of what BH has talked about re: your QT jives with you? There's no dealings. He's just been saying a lot of weird things. I never made a conscious effort to try to figure out his alignment. Nor did I ever really pay close attention to the things he said. I didn't let him influence any of my thoughts this game. I was the first one to suggest the strongandbig lynch (other people in the QT can confirm this) and he ran with it. I take full responsibility for the mislynch on day 1 (minus what Koshi did). My gut tells me that alakaslam is town. I don't really have evidence to back that up other than I thought his justification for his vigi shot came from a town mindset. Really either lynch sounds good depending on how you look at it. | ||
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Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)? | ||
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JAT: "Foolishness is mafia cause he pushed a bad case on day 1, didn't do anything on day 2 and has strange interactions in a QT with blazinghand" compared with prphlz: "Foolishness is 100% mafia" There's a side note here that I want to bring up. Confirmed mafia oatsmaster was hard after Alakaslam. Oatsmaster had his vote on strongandbig and moved it to Alakaslam shortly after he shot Yamato. On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote: well what the fuck. ##unvote ##vote Slam The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info. Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was. During the rest of day 1 and night 1 Oatsmaster went after Alakaslam. Now I don't find it reasonable for him to push his own mafia buddy like that since 1) he was already voting on a townie and his vote was pretty safe there, 2) why continue to push on Alakaslam during night 1 when he can just push on me/Koshi/someone else who was on the snb lynch (though if you think I'm mafia this argument does not mean anything) and 3) Alakaslam is already going to be under fire from the town for shooting yamato so why add fuel to the fire? The other interesting thing of note is how Oatsmaster goes about it. In that post I quoted above he says about Palmar: "Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was". Yet look at how he tries to justify killing Alakaslam: On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Geript save me!! Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner. I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum On April 28 2014 21:32 Oatsmaster wrote: OH REALLY CALLER? TRAPS? FROM YOU????? Btw the reason why caller is town and Slam is scum is the personalities. Caller is insane. Slam is actually not insanse although he types like it. Out of the blue shot coupled with shitty reasoning. Caller didnt give jack shit reasons. Town aint gonna give a shit, scum gonna try and justify their shot. Literally Alak just got away with fucking murder. I don't think these are the kinds of arguments you make against your own scumbuddy here because nobody else really brought up these specific points. Oatsmaster was really all-in against Alakaslam and I don't see a reason for him to take that stance against his scumbuddy at this point in the game, especially considering that a lot of people have Alakaslam on their scumlist (or at the very least their questionable list). ----- The tl;dr from above is: confirmed mafia Oatsmaster pushed hard on Alakaslam, and I don't thin it's likely for mafia to push mafia like that. And yeah I realize that the rest of the arguments above are on analyzing a mafia player and trying to look at his motives is potentially dangerous and not worthwhile. But the tl;dr that Oatsmaster pushed on Alakaslam is worth something. The thing about blazinghand is this post made at the start of day 2: On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe The issue with this post he made is the following line near the beginning: "I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1". Now keep in mind he does rationalize this thinking in the same post: "Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon". Since Oats is confirmed scum I'm having a difficult time following his train of thought. His reasoning for going after the three he listed is fine and follows what I said. However he's deliberately ignoring confirmed mafia Oatsmaster of which there's already been a long case about (by Austin mostly). Of course, I can kinda understand this given that I did the same thing (except I went after RebirthOfLegend). The problem is that he's deliberately ignoring Oats while I blatantly said in the QT (and possibly the thread) that I'm perfectly happy with lynching Oats. Blazinghand doesn't change his mind about Oats until ~24 hours into day 2 when he says he's happy to lynch Oats here. But he never follows up the Oats read! If you recall on day 1 he actually posted a case on why strongandbig is mafia. Not only that he spent more posts explaining why strongandbig is mafia. At the beginning of day 2 he claims that "[he] could probably successfully make an Oats push" but never does. Instead he pushes gumshoe, says in passing he is okay with lynching Oats and spends the rest of his time defending me as town (which I'm thankful for <3). In the QT he says he's not sure that Oats is mafia but he never added fuel to the fire to ensure his lynch, of which it was perfectly reasonable to expect of him given that at the start of the day he said he would. | ||
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If the mod confirms that he was not recruited this means that mafia either: 1) The mafia thought Cephiro was lying or that Cephiro is the traitor, since from their perspective Cephiro called two towns as different alignments. This would mean the mafia probably voted for blazinghand without inhibition. 2) The mafia believed Cephiro was telling the truth but did not have enough confidence in their read to figure out which of Blazinghand/Alakaslam was mafia to recruit him. 3) The mafia knew Blazinghand was likely the traitor but figured he was going to be toast anyways so didn't bother recruiting him. Two and three kinda go together. Also keep in mind that Blazinghand wanted to kill gumshoe yesterday, which says nothing about gumshoe's alignment. None of blazinghand's reads point one way or another (like I thought they did). | ||
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On May 05 2014 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote: So here's the deal Foolishness. It appears as though I'm not going to be able to keep the raving masses from putting your head in a noose tomorrow, so my suggestion to you is to reveal details about your QT. Specifically, who else was recruited with you. If you can't do that, I'm afraid I and everyone else has no choice but to assume you are scum and you will be lynched. There was once a time where I would be considered for night kill; sadly I fear this time is long past but just in case people need to look into (and by look into I mean lynch with cleansing fire) Poofter. Even if people have found him somewhat towns in some way, think about pure role speculation. We have had a mafia dayvig flip, and we know of two confirmed town dayvigs. Is the more likely scenario to have three town vigs to scum's 1? Unlikely IMO. Poofter is scum 95% (I can't give that marv guarantee no matter how good I feel). Palmar and caller are worth looking into with some scrutiny as well. You assume I'm scum if I don't reveal that information? Why would I reveal information like that that's only going to benefit the mafia? I'm sure everyone remaining in that QT is town so there's no way I'm handing the mafia the town circle. Also you're assuming based off what information? That you don't "like" my posts this game? That you don't like that I pushed a mafia lynch and pushed the traitor to be lynched? You say that I made a bad case on day 1 and that's enough to override everything else I've done? Also is it enough to override not killing say in the group of RoL, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, Ace all of which are guilty of doing nothing this game? Because all I see is that you want to kill off the active members of the town and just leave the inactive players sitting. How well has that worked out for town's in past games (re: it never works)? Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of: JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason! Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z. JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted! I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're making assumptions about a player being mafia based on feelings and not liking their post and just ignoring all the other things they've done for the town then you're definitely not playing mafia. So congratulations on not reading. | ||
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You're mad at poofter for shooting his suspect? After he: 1) Pushed his shot repeatedly in the thread. 2) Made multiple cases about why his shot was mafia. 3) Has constantly been giving reads and pushing suspects in the thread. 4) Wanted to shoot Oats but believed that Oats flip would give town valuable information about the votes. Until someone posts a nice big case about why poofter is mafia he is not up for lynch and will not be considered in the slightest. Also the theory that mafia have day vigi shots so poofter is likely mafia because he confirmed having a shot is bogus. You know what mafia is probably doing? Waiting until there's like 11 players alive and if they have 4 members up just cap 3 people and auto-win. What a smart way to win instead of ya know randomly shooting during the day and drawing attention to yourself. Unless we're not playing mafia of course. | ||
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1) Been already revealed. 2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On May 06 2014 11:12 Ace wrote: Foolishness can answer that when he gets back. If not or the answer is trash I'll vote him tomorrow. Not gonna filter dive when there are basketball games to watch. What am I answering? It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list. | ||
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On May 01 2014 01:48 Blazinghand wrote: One of the two of us is a Mason Recruiter. We began speaking at the start of D1, and have continued to do so. There's a 3rd person in the QT who was added for D2. You're a donkey. On May 04 2014 12:02 Hapahauli wrote: Night 3: Blazinghand (Recruiting-Mason//Traitor) has been lynched! Night ends in . All players have 5 posts. A fourth person was added the previous day. Now that Blazinghand is dead the QT no longer gets members (mod confirmed) so it's just us 3 talking in there. Personally, I don't see any reason to reveal who the other two members are because I think they are both town and revealing that information is giving the mafia shiny targets to shoot at. But at the same time I'm not terribly opposed to it, so if the other member(s) want to reveal themselves that's their decision. And as I stated, I've been through that QT since the start and have been through it multiple times. If there was information in there that was important to the town (like say night action results or something) or something in there that incriminated someone (let's say another member in the QT was horribly opposed to the Oatsmaster lynch) then that information would already be out there, either by me or someone else. Really you guys are making mountains out of molehills, and letting mafia sit back and do nothing (again). Why not kill the people that aren't contributing to the town and are clearly apathetic? I've already spent posts responding to JAT and WoS and I'm not going to waste time or take up space beating a dead horse by arguing them. You can look through my filter to see what I've said. If someone else has a big point that needs answering then say so and quote it and I'll respond (like Ace just did now). | ||
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I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end. | ||
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