You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 82

On May 09 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

You know who else had access to everything in a QT and still thought somebody in there was scum?
I can think of somebody.

On May 06 2014 10:37 austinmcc wrote:
The only reasons are non-QT related. QT stuff matters almost zero, BH adding him matters zero.

• The SnB case doesn't read like town-foolishness
• Sandro scummy on Foolishness
• Foolishness made 0 attempt to ... lead take/take over/post much in the way of reads
• That same point x2 given how passive some of our days have been
• Scummy on oats, but doesn't think mafia worried about the D1 lynch (which was almost oats at one point), and instead of pushing oats pushes RoL. Goes through past games of SnB, prplhz, RoL, WoS, everyone except....oats. Just says oats is mafia for not posting, when MULTIPLE players say oats is not scummy, he's just oats-y. Foolishness, ye olde lover o' past games and meta reads, declines to comment AT ALL basically on oats's past games, whether this is oats-y behavior, and just half-ass wants to lynch him, except not as much as RoL, even when oats is being discussed heavily.
• Foolishness has essentially pushed SnB, prplhz (ish), oats, RebirthOfLegend, very very very likely Cephiro, and pretty likely JAT.
• Granted I think it was the first mislynch on him evah, but in Shadow Game Foolishness was ... pretty defensive. When folks turned their gaze on him hard, he was making cases, reading a bunch of past games of half the game, trying actively to solve things. Here, there's been mid-level scumspicion on him the whole time and he's done...not much/any of that, again, really 0 interest in trying to round people up and lead town really.
• Kinda just never ever PUSHING his reads. He's willing to consolidate on anyone D2, rather than actively trying to get any support for RoL. On D3 he drops one post on BH/Slam, and then there's nothing else.
• This is smelly only in hindsight, and only if Foolishness flips mafia, and really isn't scummy but it's just kind of neat if he's mafia
  On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
  I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
  
  Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)?

Those are my reasons. JAT has also posted a couple things that I hadn't been looking at, a couple inconsistencies in his posting, like saying he wasn't going to claim QT stuff until the traitor died --> BH dies, flips traitor --> I'm not claiming QT stuff.

The ONLY QT-related reasons to lynch him are basically that he's also not trying to wrangle up any control there, and while he and BH chatted a good bit on D1, he's not really trying to push BH towards RoL D2, not trying to push him towards Oats, really just ... not interested in arguing his reads within the QT, and lately not very interested in discussing anything.

If that changes and we get to yappin', I'll say so.

On May 09 2014 11:37 austinmcc wrote:
Sure, but you know this isn't actually the argument you want it to be. I pushed him yesterday and voted for him, was wrong.

That doesn't mean I'm wrong on VE. And you also KNOW Foolishness is town now, and he was townie on VE. So...it's not just me here.

Just because i CAN be wrong with full information doesn't mean that full information doesn't lead to better reads than partial information. If you want to keep score, full information > partial information. austin + foolishness = 2 people, marv = 1 people, 2 people > 1 people. austin was wrong on foolishness. That's like 2:1 in favor of VE being town. That's TWICE as much. If he's mafia, he would have had to get TWO town PMs also (two is twice as much as one).

AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE KINDA WORRIED ABOUT SHOOTY MCGEE BALANCE? THAT TOWN MIGHT HAVE SLAM + POOFTER + JAT VIGIS AND SCUM MIGHT JUST HAVE WAVE? JUST IN TERMS OF BALANCE CRAP AND NOT AT ALL ABOUT POSTS, PLEASE TO SPECULATE FOR ME. WE HAVE 3 CONFIRMED VIGIS, 1 CLAIMED VIGI, 1 CLAIMED HERO. DO YOU THINK 3v1 (town v scum) VIGIS IS BALANCED IF SCUM HAS A HERO? DO YOU THINK THAT 2v2 WITH A TOWN HERO IS NICE AND HAPPY? PLEASE WORK THE HERO INTO YOUR VIGI SPECULATION AND JUST SPITBALL FOR ME HOW YOU THINK THOSE NUMBERS WORK/DON'T WORK

On May 09 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
How exactly does the QT matter zero where Foolishness was involved but it matters where VE is involved?

Correct me if I'm way off here but is there any reason Foolishness is Scum that has anything to do with not being related to a QT?

On April 28 2014 11:52 prplhz wrote:
don't remember seeing an easier lynch and a bigger wagon than oats but whatever, better than strongandbig

##Vote Oatsmaster

i don't hold high hopes for this

inb4 it's a scum tell that i vote for a wagon and denounce it in the same post 9 mins before deadline

On May 01 2014 11:57 prplhz wrote:
oats 11 votes already dead

On May 01 2014 11:59 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum but i'd rather lynch fool

On May 09 2014 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't even understand what you capsblasted at me just now, but I can see that you called me scum. Something you want to get at, honey?

On May 09 2014 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wasn't pushing poofter when I was based on the role speculation. It was just some yummy icing. I'm not sure where VA fits into all that...speculation is just that, speculation. (Also remember we've had a claimed vig for...how many days now who hasn't shot when he's had more than ample opportunity for some very good ones. All he's done is threaten people all game with it.)

Also you didn't answer my question austin. I don't care about why you said that, or who you were answering. I want to know why the stuff in the QT doesn't have anything to do with why you call Foolishness scum and/or is completely non-indicative to you, and yet the stuff VE has done in the QT is very town-indicative.

Jesus Christ could you hard claim Masons in the thread any more? The fact that you're not dead is very suspicious to me. -.-

I'm going to read this thang before I post too much.

Okay, having read this thang I only have one question for both of you:

Are you fine with the other one? As in, you've spent time together in here, do you feel like the other is trustworthy?

I assume the answer is yes based on what's been said in thread and in here but I want to make sure before we go further.

Does anyone in here think that Caller/Palmar are town? BE HONEST BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT.

I don't think Palmar is really town but I wanted to give him more time to prove himself since he's a potentially valuable asset. I figure if by halfway through today he's still derping and herping we should kill him.

Caller now.

Also I have no such reservation about Palmar. He's looked town as town in the last few games. HE does not look town this game, so I'm willing to lynch. Tell me what you think of Caller immediately.

I feel the same about Palmar as what Blazinghand said.

I don't know about Caller. I thought he was town early yesterday but haven't gone back to confirm that read. Really I wouldn't be upset if either of these guys died.

I don't think lynching either of them is the right move for the town though.

Anyway I want to lynch caller not shoot him. I want to know whether he's scum or not because to me that's important with what he's doing right now.

Foolish I think you're town but sandroba didn't and he's confirmed town now so if you don't want town to lynch you please prove you're town to the thread.

I don't know why you think Ace is scum, Wave and Oats look like their typical town selves imo, RoL could hang imo, but what is there to gain in lynching RoL over lynching Caller? Like, there have been people who have taken stances on Caller/Palmar, no one is talking about RoL at all. Maybe if you kinda EXPLAIN what there is to gain?

For the record, everyone who called me town died. I was under the impression you thought I was /not/ the worst Mafia player to have ever lived, but I guess that's wrong.

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No what you said is correct, I do not think you are the worst mafia player to have ever lived.

Also I did say that game that you're my favorite, I didn't just say that to say it.

Foolish was cleared because if he were scum Sandroba wouldn't have been shot on the night BH tried to recruit him. We talked about this bitch.

Maybe, but taken with the interactions...like, both the interactions AND what I mentioned said he was likely town. Not one or the other, who cares if...


ARE YOU FUCKING SCUM AUSTIN?

On May 09 2014 12:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin I posted it in one of other posts but can you link me to some of the townie posts you have for VE that are from the thread and not the QT. I feel like a lot of your argument is from things happening in the QT and not things in the thread.

@VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy?


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