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On May 06 2014 09:44 Eden1892 wrote:
Finals a bitch
Brief response to Epishade:
1) nothing to say, I fucked up in asking the question, you rightfully called me on it and I acknowledged my mistake and retracted the question. this should be a null point because both town and scum optimal play is to retract. I don't get why you're reading it scum
2) this isn't a contradiction at all. we need to get rid of anti-town and our lynches should be using that as our guiding goal, not lynching for information like tambo wanted to do with Yell0w. if as I did on D1 I believe there's an sk and I have a good read on him, my optimal play is to kill him because it cuts the anti-town kp in half. aside from that, kill scum. by D2 I was convinced that tambo was the real vig so I dropped the sk line of argument and moved on to scum reads
3) of course I'm not going to assume sqrt is town if I'm developing a theory about who sqrt's teammate is. why would I do that? assuming he's town defeats the point of the entire exercise because he doesn't have a partner
I'm still sorting out what I think about Epishade, his arguments here are pretty bad and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not. I think I wouldn't want to lynch him by default because he's trying to figure out the game state whereas other players (ahswtini, dfs, mysterymeat1, dravernor) aren't.
@MysteryMeat1: ritoky was strongly townreading me, where are you getting the idea that he wasn't
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Power roles should claim now with any data they have imo. I don't know if we're at LYLO or LYLO-1 but I'm assuming the worst-case scenario (LYLO) until given reason to think otherwise. We should hopefully be able to POE from here.
1). I suppose the point I was trying to make in my first point wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be. Why did you ask that question in the first place? What made you think that the answer would be relevant to you at all, unless you were scum?
2). I still disagree with you here. By attempting to lynch Tamburini, which was a probable 50/50 chance of being vig or serial killer at the time, you were wasting our lynch. Tamburini made the bad move of roleclaiming vig. Chances that he wouldn't be roleblocked by mafia from then on were slim-to-none. Even if he were serial killer, he wouldn't be able to kill anyone because he'd be roleblocked by mafia still. It was a waste to organize a lynch against him, knowing that he was not mafia.
3). I guess that was a dumb point. It sounded good in my head when I wrote it down, but I'll concede point 3 after rereading it. Hell, I withdrew my scumread on Ritoky when Tamburini claimed vig and Sweetfrost flipped town, as I made Ritoky's scumread based on his interactions between the two.
So then do you have a read on Ashwitini then? You thought he was town because Sqrt pushed him, but that's probably changed since Sqrt flipped town.
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On May 06 2014 08:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys its blowing my mind right now that ritoky is dead. Like it doesn't make any sense. If i was mafia, i would either kill bunny or mtamburini, The reason is that they are both pretty town and mtam at this point is pretty much guarenteed vigi. As a mafi I would like to get rid of a guarenteed town to put the remaining town into more confusion. At this point we have 9 people left and 3-4 mafias.
I'm vanilla town which leads me with almost a 50-50 chance of lynching a mafia.
I think its interesting that ritoky died he didn't like eden or epishade, i think this is probably a big indicator of why he was killed during the night.
Thinking about it any other way doesnt make much sense to me. Also i would like to say that i dont' have a role but got a pm saying that i was roleblocked.
in his posts ritoky is also suspicious of ahswtini, so i would like to lynch one of these 3 today.
Town circle
-Me
-bunnies
-tam
-dfs
fenced
-dravernor
scum
-epishade
-ahs
-eden
-yellow
I don't think many people here suspected Ritoky as being scum. (I may be wrong, I'm going off memory here and don't want to look through the whole thread to see people's thoughts on Ritoky) So it's not entirely unlikely for mafia to kill Ritoky as he was town-viewed by many people and probably wouldn't have ever been a lynch candidate.
However, I think it's interesting to note that you think Ritoky was killed because he viewed me as scum, instead of the above, that he was town-viewed by majority.
What about a scenario like this:
Ritoky thinks I'm scum.
Mafia kills Ritoky.
Someone (mafia) steps up and says that Ritoky must have been on the right path to have been killed.
Person that steps up thinks it's suspicious of me since Ritoky died and he suspected me most.
I think it's a little suspicious on yourself to point that out and state that that was probably a big indicator of why he was killed, when I think the bigger indicator was how people viewed his alignment.
Also, just as an aside, I think it's funny that you place yourself in the town circle, as if that wasn't implied already lol, despite the fact nobody sees you as town right now. I know it wouldn't make any sense to place yourself in scum or fenced pile but I laughed at you doing that.
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I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
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On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote:
I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi.
Thanks tamburini!
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You seriously didnt shoot. Why be a vig if you arent gonna abuse your overleveled birdjesus powers...
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Well him not getting roleblock might indicate that yellow is town because imo tam was gonna shoot yellow,
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TRAINER ordered TAMBO to use FISSURE!
TAMBO loafed around...
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Also can we hears dfs current thoughts, he hasnt posted in a couple of days now.
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On May 06 2014 10:30 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:44 Eden1892 wrote:
Finals a bitch
Brief response to Epishade:
1) nothing to say, I fucked up in asking the question, you rightfully called me on it and I acknowledged my mistake and retracted the question. this should be a null point because both town and scum optimal play is to retract. I don't get why you're reading it scum
2) this isn't a contradiction at all. we need to get rid of anti-town and our lynches should be using that as our guiding goal, not lynching for information like tambo wanted to do with Yell0w. if as I did on D1 I believe there's an sk and I have a good read on him, my optimal play is to kill him because it cuts the anti-town kp in half. aside from that, kill scum. by D2 I was convinced that tambo was the real vig so I dropped the sk line of argument and moved on to scum reads
3) of course I'm not going to assume sqrt is town if I'm developing a theory about who sqrt's teammate is. why would I do that? assuming he's town defeats the point of the entire exercise because he doesn't have a partner
I'm still sorting out what I think about Epishade, his arguments here are pretty bad and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not. I think I wouldn't want to lynch him by default because he's trying to figure out the game state whereas other players (ahswtini, dfs, mysterymeat1, dravernor) aren't.
@MysteryMeat1: ritoky was strongly townreading me, where are you getting the idea that he wasn't
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Power roles should claim now with any data they have imo. I don't know if we're at LYLO or LYLO-1 but I'm assuming the worst-case scenario (LYLO) until given reason to think otherwise. We should hopefully be able to POE from here. 1). I suppose the point I was trying to make in my first point wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be. Why did you ask that question in the first place? What made you think that the answer would be relevant to you at all, unless you were scum? 2). I still disagree with you here. By attempting to lynch Tamburini, which was a probable 50/50 chance of being vig or serial killer at the time, you were wasting our lynch. Tamburini made the bad move of roleclaiming vig. Chances that he wouldn't be roleblocked by mafia from then on were slim-to-none. Even if he were serial killer, he wouldn't be able to kill anyone because he'd be roleblocked by mafia still. It was a waste to organize a lynch against him, knowing that he was not mafia. 3). I guess that was a dumb point. It sounded good in my head when I wrote it down, but I'll concede point 3 after rereading it. Hell, I withdrew my scumread on Ritoky when Tamburini claimed vig and Sweetfrost flipped town, as I made Ritoky's scumread based on his interactions between the two. So then do you have a read on Ashwitini then? You thought he was town because Sqrt pushed him, but that's probably changed since Sqrt flipped town.
1) Because I wasn't paying attention and felt discussing tambo's nightkill would be a good starting point for discussion for the evening, and like I said last night, I didn't want him to shoot obvtown out of paranoia and lose it for us. I don't have a better answer than that; it was a mistake.
2) I don't agree, if I think he's serial killer then lynching him isn't a waste. You're taking for granted your opinion that tambo was obviously not the sk on d1 when I very clearly didn't share that opinion. In retrospect, yes, I wish I'd recognized tambo as the vig on d1 and used d1 better, but I hardly think that it makes sense to argue that I "contradicted myself" because I came to a genuine change of heart regarding tambo and focused d2 on killing my scumreads instead of an sk read. This whole thing doesn't make sense; both hunting an sk read and hunting mafia are pro-town objectives, so what does it matter if I switch from pursuing one to pursuing another?
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As for ahswtini, scum side of neutral off the top of my head, I need to read his filter again when I'm done with my econ final tomorrow. Nothing he's said has been memorable to me, I don't see him here trying to figure it out and the only reason I had for townreading him (scum!sqrt pushing him) is out the window since sqrt flipped town. Players who aren't memorable and aren't figuring things out are bad news this late in the game.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On May 06 2014 08:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys its blowing my mind right now that ritoky is dead. Like it doesn't make any sense. If i was mafia, i would either kill bunny or mtamburini, The reason is that they are both pretty town and mtam at this point is pretty much guarenteed vigi. As a mafi I would like to get rid of a guarenteed town to put the remaining town into more confusion. At this point we have 9 people left and 3-4 mafias.
I'm vanilla town which leads me with almost a 50-50 chance of lynching a mafia.
I think its interesting that ritoky died he didn't like eden or epishade, i think this is probably a big indicator of why he was killed during the night.
Thinking about it any other way doesnt make much sense to me. Also i would like to say that i dont' have a role but got a pm saying that i was roleblocked.
in his posts ritoky is also suspicious of ahswtini, so i would like to lynch one of these 3 today.
Town circle
-Me
-bunnies
-tam
-dfs
fenced
-dravernor
scum
-epishade
-ahs
-eden
-yellow
Ok so you say that you would shoot bunny or mtamburini because they're pretty town, even though ritoky has been playing just as town. Instead you make some weak case that he was killed because he suspected people who were mafia, which Epishade quite rightly deconstructed. I don't see what you've done for the town circle - since you've been back your posting has hardly been insightful. You've just thrown down a vote for Epishade, but reading through your filter, I can't find any reasons for why you're suspicious of him.
I also like how you clear dfs, yet now you're asking for his thoughts as he hasn't posted in a few days. What's up with that?
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hmm, initially i put him in my town circle and eden in my scum circle as i misread his post. So far in this game, it is quite obvious the town is losing since we haven't even managed to lynch a single mafia. Now, when i didn't post for a couple of days i got a warning saying that i needed to be more active.
However, if i was mafia, and by posting just a little, why would i be concerned with posting more. its LYLO i believe, and i want everyone here to believe i'm town. Before i started posting i wasn't really even on your guys radar. I was mentioned in a post here and there but nothing really concrete. I'm town, and i want to win, i think the people who are lieing low at this point have to be mafia like dfs just becasue he would feel no need to post. I mean why would he, there is no suspicion on him, he doesn't need to contribute to anything. When the time comes for us to lynch somebody, he can just place his vote on a town which he ended up doing on sqrt.
I think at this point i would take him out of my town circle and switch him with eden. I also think epishade is scum, but i'm much more confident of dfs being scum the epi is.
##:unvote Epishade
##vote: dfs
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On May 06 2014 11:26 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 08:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys its blowing my mind right now that ritoky is dead. Like it doesn't make any sense. If i was mafia, i would either kill bunny or mtamburini, The reason is that they are both pretty town and mtam at this point is pretty much guarenteed vigi. As a mafi I would like to get rid of a guarenteed town to put the remaining town into more confusion. At this point we have 9 people left and 3-4 mafias.
I'm vanilla town which leads me with almost a 50-50 chance of lynching a mafia.
I think its interesting that ritoky died he didn't like eden or epishade, i think this is probably a big indicator of why he was killed during the night.
Thinking about it any other way doesnt make much sense to me. Also i would like to say that i dont' have a role but got a pm saying that i was roleblocked.
in his posts ritoky is also suspicious of ahswtini, so i would like to lynch one of these 3 today.
Town circle
-Me
-bunnies
-tam
-dfs
fenced
-dravernor
scum
-epishade
-ahs
-eden
-yellow I don't think many people here suspected Ritoky as being scum. (I may be wrong, I'm going off memory here and don't want to look through the whole thread to see people's thoughts on Ritoky) So it's not entirely unlikely for mafia to kill Ritoky as he was town-viewed by many people and probably wouldn't have ever been a lynch candidate. However, I think it's interesting to note that you think Ritoky was killed because he viewed me as scum, instead of the above, that he was town-viewed by majority.What about a scenario like this: Ritoky thinks I'm scum. Mafia kills Ritoky. Someone (mafia) steps up and says that Ritoky must have been on the right path to have been killed. Person that steps up thinks it's suspicious of me since Ritoky died and he suspected me most. I think it's a little suspicious on yourself to point that out and state that that was probably a big indicator of why he was killed, when I think the bigger indicator was how people viewed his alignment.Also, just as an aside, I think it's funny that you place yourself in the town circle, as if that wasn't implied already lol, despite the fact nobody sees you as town right now. I know it wouldn't make any sense to place yourself in scum or fenced pile but I laughed at you doing that.
Even though he may have been town read by the majority, i don't really remember, bunnies is playing more town than anyone, which is why i'm sure she should have died, or even mtam as a vigi claim. Both of those people would be much higher on my hitlist than him. You say that he probably wouldn't ever have been a lynch canditate but i gaurentee that neither bunny nor mtam would be either. And why would you not kill a vigi? Unless you knew that you could just roleblock him to death. Like I also stated above the only reason you would not want to roleblock mtam was because you knew that he would kill yellow. If he had killed yellow then the game would have been over because yellow is town.
Because of this i don't think that it is odd or suspicious to point that the reason he died was because of the people he viewed as scum. Why would the mafia kill him over bunnies or mtam who is obviously more town? It would have to be because of his reads in his earlier posts. I think its really suspicious that you try to sweep this under the rug, and then further by making fun of my overall post. Ahs also comes to your aid. Which makes sense cause i believe both of you to be scum. If it was bunnies or mtam who had made this post, i doubt he would have come to your aid.
Why? its because they are both considered to be almost 100% town by everyone here. However against someone who hasn't been very active, its relatively safe to come out and stand together, because i'm a much easier lynch. We have to lynch a mafia today, and becasue of that mafia really only has two options. Its going to be me or one of the inactive people as those are the easiest to make a case against. The town isn't going to lynch bunnies or tam. And out of Eden, ahs, and Epi 2 of you will turn on the one who isn't mafia. However this could be a little risky so the safest option is to choose an inactive town.
in response to the second part as well
I don't think its suspicious at all, i think its a very valid read, his reads are the primary reason that set him apart from bunny and mtam.
I also find it weird that ahs thinks it weird that i would like to know the thoughts of someone who hasn't posted in a whole 2 days. Its LYLO, and you think its weird i want someone to talk. Ya, i cleared him as two days ago, but if he isn't gonna post and help town then i believe i should rethink my position on him. The fact that ahs is calling it out makes me think that EPI, Ahs, DFS are scum allies.
It would be a huge town mistake if we don't lynch one of these three
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On May 06 2014 12:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote:
I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi. Thanks tamburini!
So basically I probably saved the game if anything. Dont be hating.
If you were jailed by the dude that died that doesnt really confirm your allignement IMO but since I think there are not two jailors (I dont think I wouldve got jailed just roleblocked by town or mafia) and in this instance I am sold on it being mafia, I think this clears meat and yellow for me
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On May 06 2014 19:37 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote:
I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi. Thanks tamburini! So basically I probably saved the game if anything. Dont be hating. If you were jailed by the dude that died that doesnt really confirm your allignement IMO but since I think there are not two jailors (I dont think I wouldve got jailed just roleblocked by town or mafia) and in this instance I am sold on it being mafia, I think this clears meat and yellow for me
To clarify Meat is like never getting a vote casted on him by me, Yell0w Id have to think about but im like 85% on him.
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I'm probably going to change my vote to either epi or ahs from dfs. While i do believe that all three of them are scum, i would be more comfortable lynching epi or ahs
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On May 06 2014 19:37 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 12:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote:
I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi. Thanks tamburini! So basically I probably saved the game if anything. Dont be hating. If you were jailed by the dude that died that doesnt really confirm your allignement IMO but since I think there are not two jailors (I dont think I wouldve got jailed just roleblocked by town or mafia) and in this instance I am sold on it being mafia, I think this clears meat and yellow for me
Wait, why have those events cleared meat for you? I can understand yellow because you were intending to shoot him
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On May 06 2014 19:51 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 19:37 mtamburini wrote:On May 06 2014 12:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote:
I didnt get role blocked
Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO
I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game.
The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop
SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi. Thanks tamburini! So basically I probably saved the game if anything. Dont be hating. If you were jailed by the dude that died that doesnt really confirm your allignement IMO but since I think there are not two jailors (I dont think I wouldve got jailed just roleblocked by town or mafia) and in this instance I am sold on it being mafia, I think this clears meat and yellow for me Wait, why have those events cleared meat for you? I can understand yellow because you were intending to shoot him
I dont think there are 2 townsided roleblockers.
I believe bunines was jailed twice and I was blocked by mafia 2 nights ago and last night meat was blocked by mafia.
Therefore meat must be town for mafia to block him in the night.
My strongest feeling is there are 4 left based on the last TL game I played.
It was a 9 person game with 2 mafia, so 11 means 3 mafia and 13 means 4 mafia FMPOV.
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