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On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know!
As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate.
As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade.
I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong.
You're suspicious of anyone that voted for Sweetfrost when the two main choices to lynch that day were Sweetfrost and Tamburini. But then you also think Tamburini is guaranteed vigi?
Who else were we to vote for? Some random? I believe Yellow might have been the better third choice to vote for out of the two (or some people have it out for Sqrt, too) if it came to it, but nobody was really pushing too hard for either of them by the time people started voting. And then there were the outlier voters. I think it's weird you would find it suspicious of people to vote for someone who hadn't given us much defense not to vote on him, when the other person on the chopping block was probable vigi.
I also think it also doesn't look that great either that you think Ashwanti is town just because he voted for you when nobody else did. It could very easily be a mafia voting another mafia here (with no real threat behind it because you weren't on the chopping block) as a way to make Ashwanti look more townie. Then, if you two were mafia partners, you would want to bring it up that he voted for you as a way to make him appear more town in case you were lynched or killed soon and flipped scum.
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On May 04 2014 12:00 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
so you're saying tamburini isn't vigi?
How did you interpret that from my post?
On May 04 2014 11:32 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know!
As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate.
As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade.
I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong. You're suspicious of anyone that voted for Sweetfrost when the two main choices to lynch that day were Sweetfrost and Tamburini. But then you also think Tamburini is guaranteed vigi? Who else were we to vote for? Some random? I believe Yellow might have been the better third choice to vote for out of the two (or some people have it out for Sqrt, too) if it came to it, but nobody was really pushing too hard for either of them by the time people started voting. And then there were the outlier voters. I think it's weird you would find it suspicious of people to vote for someone who hadn't given us much defense not to vote on him, when the other person on the chopping block was probable vigi.I also think it also doesn't look that great either that you think Ashwanti is town just because he voted for you when nobody else did. It could very easily be a mafia voting another mafia here (with no real threat behind it because you weren't on the chopping block) as a way to make Ashwanti look more townie. Then, if you two were mafia partners, you would want to bring it up that he voted for you as a way to make him appear more town in case you were lynched or killed soon and flipped scum.
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On May 05 2014 05:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2014 10:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing. #1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at. #1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games) #2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket. #3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched. #4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong. I'm not mafia. #2 is a stupid point. I don't even like epishade. And you have done very little to contribute to town, besides asking weird questions that basically go nowhere.
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You guys lynched Sqrt-buddy! How could you!
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I could see where it was going down. Nobody trusts me anyways. What good would arguing for Sqrt do with most of the town undecided between lynching me and him. There's nothing I could have possibly said to make anybody change their minds.
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On May 05 2014 09:06 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 08:53 Epishade wrote:
You guys lynched Sqrt-buddy! How could you! Says the guy who didn't make a serious attempt to rebut the case against sqrt or himself, or to push Yell0w, his mafia read, as a superior lynch to sqrt, his apparently strong town read. You'll forgive me if I'm unimpressed. If you really felt this strongly about sqrt being innocent, where the hell were you today?
Also, Yellow's not my mafia read. Yellow's my information read. I really didn't want to lynch Yellow all that much either though, so I wasn't pushing for a lynch on Yellow. It just so happened that, of the two people I thought in this game were town (Sqrt and Bunny), Sqrt was bwed as a lynch. I know, from an outside perspective, it must have made a lot of sense for people to suspect that Sqrt and I were scum, defending each other and clearing each other as town. They lynched Sqrt for information. If he flipped scum, I know I'd have been next without ANY chance. From my perspective though, I know I'm town. I have no reason to think Sqrt was scum, just he was agreeing with various points I was bringing up.
People wanted to lynch Sqrt. And people think Sqrt and I were scum-buddies. Anything I could have said would have been dismissed. I didn't want Sqrt to get lynched, but arguing for him would have been a futile effort and only made me look worse if he turned out to be scum.
I've tried playing an active role as town from the beginning of the game. I haven't made the best reads, I'll admit, but my reads come all from what I see through people's filters and what-not. I try to use logic and reasoning in coming up with my reads, something which I believe Sqrt also saw, which is why he cleared me as town.
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On May 05 2014 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Weak.
TAMBO: Who are you shooting tonight? We're down to 10, so if we're at 4 then a wrong shot would lose the game. I know you wanted to keep your cards close to the chest last night, but we really need to sort this out as a group here. My thought is that if you're going to hit town then they'll let it go through but if you're going to hit mafia they'll roleblock you. A lot's riding on your shot but if we're still around to discuss it tomorrow we'll have a damn good idea about where to go. I'm all for you shooting tonight, even with the risks, provided we can get a good bead on a mafia to shoot. So who do you want to shoot tonight?
Why are you asking Tamburini who he's going to shoot, and then saying "My thought is that if you're going to hit town then they'll let it go through but if you're going to hit mafia they'll roleblock you."
If Tamburini answers that, and he was in-fact going to target a town, then Mafia would know not to roleblock him just so they could get another Town dead. If not, then Mafia would know to roleblock him. What good does it do you to know who Tamburini's going to shoot?
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I will say that I did not see that coming. I would have thought Bunny was the next target, but maybe Mafia felt that she might have been protected? Idk. Either that, or Bunny's been playing the long con and is actually scum, but in a great position as being town-read by near-everyone. I'm a little doubtful of that scenario though.
Ok guys, I've been cautious about Eden for most of the game, but I think I finally have to settle on him being scum.
Reasons for my scumread on Eden:
1.) This post during the nightphase:
On May 05 2014 09:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Weak.
TAMBO: Who are you shooting tonight? We're down to 10, so if we're at 4 then a wrong shot would lose the game. I know you wanted to keep your cards close to the chest last night, but we really need to sort this out as a group here. My thought is that if you're going to hit town then they'll let it go through but if you're going to hit mafia they'll roleblock you. A lot's riding on your shot but if we're still around to discuss it tomorrow we'll have a damn good idea about where to go. I'm all for you shooting tonight, even with the risks, provided we can get a good bead on a mafia to shoot. So who do you want to shoot tonight?
Put yourself in town's shoes (if you're not already...), what POSSIBLE GOOD could come from knowing who Tamburini was going to shoot as town? Say he shoots a mafia, what then? What if he shoots a townie? How does knowing who Tamburini was going to shoot ANY benefit to town? I can't understand Eden's reasoning for asking this. I call him out on it and he follows up with this post:
On May 05 2014 10:04 Eden1892 wrote:
The thought here is that he gets roleblocked no matter what if the mafia don't know who he's shooting, but you're right, I didn't think that through. I'm worried because he's got the power to decide the game right here, potentially, and he's openly talking about how "paranoid" he is and talking about shooting bunnies (which is a terrible mistake). I don't want to lose off of a stupid shot from him.
You're right, though, discussing it doesn't advantage us, we just give the mafia a road map on how to play the night. Don't answer that, tambo. Just don't let your paranoia guide your shot.
I don't buy that he didn't think that through though. This is information that could only benefit mafia to have. There's no reason for Eden, as a townie to ask that. I think Eden slipped up here. If nobody had called him out on it, and Tamburini had answered, it'd be a perfect opportunity for mafia to roleblock or not, depending on Tamburini's answer. He did get called out on it, and retracted his statement. Obviously though, he wouldn't be able to push for Tamburini actually answering, as that does town no good. He cut his losses and admitted his "mistake". It's not something I'm willing to accept so easily though.
2.) Eden contradicts himself with the lynch on Sqrt.
On May 04 2014 15:28 Eden1892 wrote:
Lol dammit, you're right ritoky I meant #4 not #2
As for why not Yell0w, because we're blatantly being set up to lynch him today. If there are 4 mafia (which isn't unreasonable with 13 people) then one more mislynch puts us at LYLO. I'm not wasting our possible only mislynch on information. We need to get scum.
He says that we need to get scum, but yet the other day, he was making a huge case on calling Tamburini serial killer and voting for him, instead of voting on the other possible scumread, Sweetfrost. We already had it pretty clear that Tamburini wasn't mafia, yet he still was pushing to lynch a possible Vigi to kill a possible serial killer. Then, later on during Sqrt's lynch, he calls us out on not wasting our lynches to get information, "we need to get scum."
3.) Eden clears Yellow as town and suspects Ahswtini as town because of interactions between ONLY Sqrt and I involving the two of them. This is more about Sqrt's reactions with Ahswtini.
On May 04 2014 15:18 Eden1892 wrote:
Unfortunately I seem to be the only one who wanted tambo out early :^)
So I guess that's out. The other thought is that sqrt's and Epishade's partner(s) is/are lying low in a relatively inactive town and not really pushing on anyone. That's going to be people who aren't really putting out any visible effort to figure out the game state much. Here I'm looking at:
- dravernor
- ahswtini
- mysterymeat1
- dfs
- Yell0w
Yell0w can be written off immediately given the push Epishade made to deflect from sqrt (see previous post about why Yell0w is town). ahswtini is also unlikely because I don't really think sqrt would bother pushing his teammate ahswtini. I could definitely see dravernor since Epishade went to so much trouble to point out his good and bad stuff and then settled on a lazy "null" read, looks to me like he's just trying to make sure he has ostensibly-meaningful interaction with his partner. dfs is kinda in the background some and mysterymeat made a point of telling us he'd post a lot more, then hasn't.
Right now I'd say scumteam is sqrt, Epishade, dravernor.
Eden doesn't take into consideration the possibility that Sqrt and I were both town, yet he's willing to accept those two as town without a second thought. I can understand his attitude toward Yellow. He pushed on Yellow in the beginning of the game, and then decided a while later on that Yellow was probably town, based on all the interactions with Yellow at the center of them. What I don't like though, is his read on Ahswtini. In the post above, he doesn't bother to take into account the fact that Sqrt may be town. Ahswtini was suspected by quite a few people at this point in the game, and might have been a lynch target that day if things had gone down differently. Eden reinforces Ahswtini's townieness because of Sqrt's reaction of pushing on him, and since some people wanted to lynch Ahswtini still, it was a perfect thing for him to say to convince them to lynch Sqrt instead for that night.
I suspect Ahswtini is mafia as well for a couple of reasons. I might make a post later tonight why I think so if I have the time.
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On May 06 2014 09:44 Eden1892 wrote:
Finals a bitch
Brief response to Epishade:
1) nothing to say, I fucked up in asking the question, you rightfully called me on it and I acknowledged my mistake and retracted the question. this should be a null point because both town and scum optimal play is to retract. I don't get why you're reading it scum
2) this isn't a contradiction at all. we need to get rid of anti-town and our lynches should be using that as our guiding goal, not lynching for information like tambo wanted to do with Yell0w. if as I did on D1 I believe there's an sk and I have a good read on him, my optimal play is to kill him because it cuts the anti-town kp in half. aside from that, kill scum. by D2 I was convinced that tambo was the real vig so I dropped the sk line of argument and moved on to scum reads
3) of course I'm not going to assume sqrt is town if I'm developing a theory about who sqrt's teammate is. why would I do that? assuming he's town defeats the point of the entire exercise because he doesn't have a partner
I'm still sorting out what I think about Epishade, his arguments here are pretty bad and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not. I think I wouldn't want to lynch him by default because he's trying to figure out the game state whereas other players (ahswtini, dfs, mysterymeat1, dravernor) aren't.
@MysteryMeat1: ritoky was strongly townreading me, where are you getting the idea that he wasn't
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Power roles should claim now with any data they have imo. I don't know if we're at LYLO or LYLO-1 but I'm assuming the worst-case scenario (LYLO) until given reason to think otherwise. We should hopefully be able to POE from here.
1). I suppose the point I was trying to make in my first point wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be. Why did you ask that question in the first place? What made you think that the answer would be relevant to you at all, unless you were scum?
2). I still disagree with you here. By attempting to lynch Tamburini, which was a probable 50/50 chance of being vig or serial killer at the time, you were wasting our lynch. Tamburini made the bad move of roleclaiming vig. Chances that he wouldn't be roleblocked by mafia from then on were slim-to-none. Even if he were serial killer, he wouldn't be able to kill anyone because he'd be roleblocked by mafia still. It was a waste to organize a lynch against him, knowing that he was not mafia.
3). I guess that was a dumb point. It sounded good in my head when I wrote it down, but I'll concede point 3 after rereading it. Hell, I withdrew my scumread on Ritoky when Tamburini claimed vig and Sweetfrost flipped town, as I made Ritoky's scumread based on his interactions between the two.
So then do you have a read on Ashwitini then? You thought he was town because Sqrt pushed him, but that's probably changed since Sqrt flipped town.
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On May 06 2014 08:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys its blowing my mind right now that ritoky is dead. Like it doesn't make any sense. If i was mafia, i would either kill bunny or mtamburini, The reason is that they are both pretty town and mtam at this point is pretty much guarenteed vigi. As a mafi I would like to get rid of a guarenteed town to put the remaining town into more confusion. At this point we have 9 people left and 3-4 mafias.
I'm vanilla town which leads me with almost a 50-50 chance of lynching a mafia.
I think its interesting that ritoky died he didn't like eden or epishade, i think this is probably a big indicator of why he was killed during the night.
Thinking about it any other way doesnt make much sense to me. Also i would like to say that i dont' have a role but got a pm saying that i was roleblocked.
in his posts ritoky is also suspicious of ahswtini, so i would like to lynch one of these 3 today.
Town circle
-Me
-bunnies
-tam
-dfs
fenced
-dravernor
scum
-epishade
-ahs
-eden
-yellow
I don't think many people here suspected Ritoky as being scum. (I may be wrong, I'm going off memory here and don't want to look through the whole thread to see people's thoughts on Ritoky) So it's not entirely unlikely for mafia to kill Ritoky as he was town-viewed by many people and probably wouldn't have ever been a lynch candidate.
However, I think it's interesting to note that you think Ritoky was killed because he viewed me as scum, instead of the above, that he was town-viewed by majority.
What about a scenario like this:
Ritoky thinks I'm scum.
Mafia kills Ritoky.
Someone (mafia) steps up and says that Ritoky must have been on the right path to have been killed.
Person that steps up thinks it's suspicious of me since Ritoky died and he suspected me most.
I think it's a little suspicious on yourself to point that out and state that that was probably a big indicator of why he was killed, when I think the bigger indicator was how people viewed his alignment.
Also, just as an aside, I think it's funny that you place yourself in the town circle, as if that wasn't implied already lol, despite the fact nobody sees you as town right now. I know it wouldn't make any sense to place yourself in scum or fenced pile but I laughed at you doing that.
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Ahs, dfs, meat, and possibly drav are the most suspicious for me right now, and I feel that I could lynch any of them one way or the other. My thoughts are that none of them have really made much of an effort to push strongly toward anybody. It's probably because everyone has been on the wrong track in the beginning, lynching people who were talking quite a bit, instead of people who weren't saying very much at all. It wouldn't make sense for them to get involved if they were scum, as they're content to see us all lynch each other. Sweetfrost just happened an unlucky mislynch for us, as he wasn't talking all that much either.
Eden I think I want to hold off on for later. I'm still a bit undecided as to whether or not he's town and he's just made a lot of moves that I disagree with, or he's scum actively moving town in the wrong direction.
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Ok guys, I got an exam during lynch-time, so I have to make my vote now. It's kind of a bw vote on Meat, but all of the points raised on him seem valid enough for me.
1.) His claiming to be roleblocked. Hell, it might be true or not, idk. But I can't see a reason why mafia would choose to roleblock Meat. I think it's a good likelihood that mafia forgoed roleblocking so Meat could claim and seem townie, as some of you guys said.
2.) His reasoning for Ritoky's lynch was that Ritoky didn't like me - so that's why he's dead now. That sounds exactly like the thing mafia would say. I was already suspicious for a lot of people, and I think Meat wanted to lynch me as an easy lynch by using this justification. The problem is that Ritoky was seen as town by most people, and that's why he was killed most likely. Mafia probably thought Bunnies would be protected, so they chose the next best target, Ritoky. Eden had some suspicion on him, so he wasn't a likely target either. The justification that Meat gave for Ritoky's lynch either wasn't very thought out, or was mafia play.
3.) Meat voted for me without even rebutting or defending ANYTHING I said about Ritoky's situation in the previous post. If he doesn't care to defend himself or just even share his thought process, I can't be convinced he's not mafia trying really hard to lynch me as his target and ignoring everything I say.
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On May 08 2014 02:03 MysteryMeat1 wrote:@epishade, your obviously scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=956&topic_id=4479551.) If you think Eden is scum, why are you voting for the person that eden votes for in MYLO, if eden is scum then he isn't going to vote for another scum... But since your scum your reasoning will be to clear me as town or something. 2.) You also say that you might give your reads on ahs if you had time, only to post an hour later with nothing about him. 3.) I would also say my reasoning for ritoky's death was thought out, and that it seems really scummy that you would sweep it under the rug like that. 4.) I also don't get your reasoning on eden, You told everyone he was scum, he made even more moves you disagree with such as asking for tam's shot during the night, and then suddenly you say that you are going to hold off on eden and that you will decide later whether he is town or not?!?!? Your whole entire town play this game has just been a series of fake pressures and being incredibly inconsistent with your claims on whose town and whose mafia. In fact you only call out people who are town to place them under suspicion. I appluad your efforts, but when it comes to people who i know are mafia like ahs, you say you will post your thoughts and then never talk about them again. I'm soo coninced epi is mafia, I switched my vote from epi to dfs, but im just going to switch it back to epi.
Alright, I finished my final early so I can actually do something now.
1.) I thought Eden was scum at first, but his answers have been satisfactory enough for me right now. He responded to my points I made, and I made that dumb observation of my point#3. This lowered him to "probably not scum" for me. Then he voted for you, and then I voted for you. Your observation is false here. I didn't think Eden was scum, and then vote for the person scum votes for. What sense would that make?
2.) I looked through Ashwtini's filter and nothing stood out to me more than anybody else. He bandwagon voted for Tamburini when I made a case against him before Tamburini claimed, but then he backed off after the claim and voted for you when nobody else had voted for you. I think that was a bit scummy to me, voting for his potential teammate when nobody else did as a way to make it look like they were town.
However, in the past day, Ashwtini has voted for you again with only Eden to vote for you to begin with. It could be that you're the next bandwagon and that Ashwtini thinks to get rid of you because you're town, and I don't think he's bussing you here. But you're throwing off more scummyness than he is for me through his votes here.
3.) I think it's still scummy that you're pushing this and that you can't see the faulty logic behind lynching the person who the dead guy thought was scum. It's an obvious ploy for mafia to support to lynch someone by shooting the guy who's most vocal about someone being scum.
4.) This is the only thing I can fault myself with. I've been very flipfloppy this game in my reads. I don't generally like to stick on them if somebody says something that I hadn't thought of before that I was missing. Like I've said before about Eden, he's making a lot of moves that I don't necessarily agree with. However, he contributes a lot, and seems to be wanting to push the game along and figure things out. I decided that he's not lynchworthy right now, and there are better targets in this game. I'm not going to vote for Eden when he responds to my questions with answers that, though I may not agree with, I can see his thought process about why he did those actions.
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On May 08 2014 05:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote:1) thats what i called you out on, in your posts when you mentioned eden the last three things you said where -Eden is scum -i don't agree with Eden's reads -I'm undecided on Eden then you vote for me... 2.You looked through ahs filter and nothing stood out? Show nested quote +I suspect Ahswtini is mafia as well for a couple of reasons. I might make a post later tonight why I think so if I have the time. the post that was supposed to come never came. And now your saying that nothing stood out. Once again, you htink ahs is scummy. 3) You think its an obvious ploy then why is mtam, and bunnies supporting it? The two people who are clearly town? Its obvious then that your bw and in the million to one chance your being used as a bw.
1) ok...?
2) I think you're scummy. I had a gut feeling that Ahswtini was scummy when I made that post, mainly in that he bwed on Squirt's lynch, and bwed on Tamburini's lynch until he claimed vigi. The latter part could be either townie or scummy, as he may have wanted to look town by unvoting, or he actually believed Tamburini was vigi so he unvoted, so I don't really have much to add. He wasn't particularly active in the beginning of the game, so I just gutread him as scummy. You're in the same boat, but I believe more in your scummyness than his.
Also, I might have phrased it better in my second point if I'd known it'd be a bit confusing. I think either Ahswtini or you is scum, but not both. You're more scumchance than he is for me, so you're getting the vote.
3) They aren't supporting it. Unless I missed something, and I don't think I have, you're the only one supporting the idea that Ritoky was killed because he thought I was scum, instead of that he was killed because he was viewed as town.
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On May 08 2014 05:42 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
who are your scum reads?
You, dfs, Ahs, and possibly drav.
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On May 08 2014 05:52 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
@epishade, since you, ahs, and I all think dfs is mafia, we can lynch him
Would that look bad if I agreed to it?
dfs hasn't done anything that I can remember this game, so I personally wouldn't care if he were lynched. I just took a quick look through his filter and all he's really been doing was giving reads on people and staying back.
It doesn't look like you're going to get lynched today anyways now.
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I guess I'd rather not waste my vote on you, Meat.
##Unvote
##Vote: dfs
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Though, I got a question then that I just thought about after making that vote:
@Meat
If you are so positive I'm scum, why would you offer me to change my vote to someone else that you think is scum? If I agree, doesn't that make the person I'm voting for not scum, since you'd think that I see him as town?
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On May 08 2014 06:11 Epishade wrote:
Though, I got a question then that I just thought about after making that vote:
@Meat
If you are so positive I'm scum, why would you offer me to change my vote to someone else that you think is scum? If I agree, doesn't that make the person I'm voting for not scum, since you'd think that I see him as town?
Actually, I wouldn't even know how to answer this question. I guess it's a moot point anyway since it's between dfs and Drav now.
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