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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 03 2014 19:44 GMT
#837
On May 03 2014 13:00 Epishade wrote:
Amiko asked me before he died (god bless his soul) to deliver my thoughts on Dravernor and Sqrt. I did Sqrt in the post above so I'll talk about what I think about Dravernor.

Dravernor started out thinking that me and Bunny were scum early on. I might understand thinking EITHER myself or Bunny was scum, but I think it's weird to pin us both down as suspicious. If anything, I'd say I acted more suspicious than Bunny in that situation because I was defending someone, so it's a little strange he suspected both of us. I feel like he could have been waiting to see what other people thought about the situation so that he might jump on either one of us if people selected one of us to lynch.

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On April 29 2014 14:18 dravernor wrote:
I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely.


Then he says he doesn't believe Yellow is scummy for pretty much no reasoning.

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On April 29 2014 14:19 dravernor wrote:
For some reason Yell0w doesn't strike me as scummy, despite all the posts about him.


If Dravernor were scum, I can see how this would be an act of going half-way. He says he believes in Yellow's innocence here but doesn't rule out the "possibility" of lynching him if the tides were to turn against Yellow. So basically, he sets himself up for a potential bus in case things go wrong. He continues in taking the side of Yellow's probable innocence, and still doesn't give much reason for his choice.

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On April 30 2014 02:29 dravernor wrote:
On April 30 2014 02:13 Amiko wrote:
@yell0w and @dravernor if you are still in thread would you put a few comments on my points regarding Eden and Yell0w above? I won't be here as much this afternoon so would like to get some back and forth while I can.

Hmm, I'm still not sure about Yell0w, he really doesn't seem too suspicious to me after the initial frenzy around his nonchalant post about being mafia, but I am not ruling him out, just watching carefully. He did contradict himself though, as bunnies pointed out.
Also, you make a very good case about Eden - he did throw around a few votes. It definitely didn't go unnoticed that he voted dfs in the same post he said we should give the Euros a chance to wake up before accusing. I'm going to filter Eden's posts when I have a bit more time and try to figure this out.

It turns out that I was still too sleepy to read the posts made before I woke up, so I am rereading through to make sure I understood things properly.


I could be reading into this too much possibly, and he just didn't really feel like taking a side, but I feel that during a time where most people were talking directly about Yellow and taking sides, it's suspicious that he was reluctant to.

He's since moved Bunny to town (which I agree to) and me to scum (for my defensiveness early on).

However, his recent thoughts on Yellow have changed quite a bit as well.

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On May 01 2014 02:22 dravernor wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry, I have had a tiring few days at work. I am back now. You have left me a lot to catch up on.
First off:
@Amiko I think maybe my problem is that I am an easily persuaded person. If I think someone looks scummy, filter them, read other arguments against them, I can easily be convinced. When that person makes a good post in their own defense, I go back, read their filter and try to see it from their point of view. I then become uncertain. Hence getting back on the fence quite often.
When I said everyone/no-one looks scummy, I meant that no-one was doing anything OBVIOUSLY scummy at the time but so early on in the game it is hard to get a read on people, and there were very small things like word choices here and there and phrasing that could be interpreted as scummy by almost every player. Which left that sort of conundrum of an 'everybody/nobody'.
As for the overly aggressive/defensive quote, it was more that Epishade and Yell0w were very defensive, and bunnies was very aggressive. This too was early on in the game and before I got around to understanding how bunnies was just trying to put on pressure to get reactions and get the conversation flowing some more. Now I definitely appreciate that pressure as it has revealed a lot more about the players in question and given the rest of us a chance to look at them more in depth.

Thus my read on bunnies has gone from a possible scum play to probably the most town. She really seems the most proactive in hunting right now.
This however does backtrack on my initial possible theory of a clever Epishade/bunnies diversion. I had pretty much discarded this theory anyway in favour of only one of them being scum, and I am still swinging towards Epishade.

On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.

This post is probably what set me off most. He then edited it to say *'would have been spot on'. Was his initial post his thought flow? The edit came two minutes after, which seems to me to be a short enough space of time for him to correct a genuine grammar mistake, rather than him reflecting on his wording. This post happens just before he starts defending Yell0w, which then of course raises the possibility that instead of an Epishade/bunnies mafia we could possibly be having an Epishade/Yell0w mafia - as a few of you have already pointed out, most notably in Eden's post:

On April 30 2014 06:03 Eden1892 wrote:
- Yell0w is scum.
- Epishade still feels like he could be Yell0w's partner, but he's active and I think I read too much into his posts last night and saw something that wasn't actually there. The only major mark I have against him is that he's remaining noncommittal about Yell0w. It's weird that he says he's "not against the lynch yet" wrt Yell0w, but he was already actively defending him against the lynch last night. If Yell0w is town (and I don't think he is, but for sake of argument), then I'll move Epishade to my town pile. If Yell0w is scum then I can't ignore my intuition telling me "kill this guy."

As Amiko said, I am quite a non-committal person and I know myself well enough to know that I am easily persuaded by good arguments. I'm well aware it is a flaw for this type of game, so I am going to do my best to stick to my convictions from here on in until the suspect player can prove themselves innocent.

My thoughts on Eden - His initial willingness to vote random people for the smallest of reasons was what made me raise an eyebrow, especially as he voted for dfs in the same post he said to give the Euros a chance to post. This made no sense to me. It seemed as though he was willing to cast his vote in any direction for no apparent reason. I have since learned from Amiko that it is a way of getting people to talk about it and possibly force some conversation and defensiveness out of the person targeted. It still struck me as strange though. I am still on the fence on Eden, I think I need to reread his filter, and I will perhaps double post with my thoughts. I will just say that he provided a strong case against Yell0w in my opinion. Prior to that I had been very obviously on the fence about Yell0w.

Which brings me to Yell0w. I don't mean to BW here, but my suspicions have since been raised. At first I thought it was pretty unfair that he was being targeted for a joke, but his comments afterwards made me wonder what the hell he was up to. He clearly didn't respond well to bunnies' pressure which made him a prime suspect (and lead to my interest in Epishade). I then thought perhaps I was reading too much into him and went back to my little fence to watch some more when Eden produced that case study that pushed me a little. Whilst I am still not 100% convinced that Yell0w is scum, he is going to remain high up on my watch list. I guess I am leaning more towards Epishade being scum and if I am right then Yell0w will be the next on my list, but until then I am going to reserve my opinion until I have a little more evidence for Yell0w.

sqrt I really don't understand. He has been posting a lot, and most of them are short posts asking for information on other players. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment, it could either be extremely town or extremely mafia. It is town in that he is pushing for conversation and wanting input from others (which is a good thing), but I think it could also be pro mafia strategy to avoid giving out too much information himself - the more he asks other people for info and their reads the less he has to talk about his own. I don't like this much. I also get the feeling he is very abrupt. He doesn't beat around the bush much, but when he does he is quite hazy on his views unless pushed to expand. Even then they are fairly short explanations and not really an explanation of his thought process.
I actually just noticed that ritoky mentioned the same things and sqrt responded saying it was his posting style. I think that maintaining that posting style is going to keep him in a negative light for me because I won't get around to understanding him as much as I would like to.

I have a lot more to say on the other players actually, but I don't have enough time right now. Will continue a bit later, and tomorrow is a holiday so I will have PLENTY of time to analyze and read cases. The players I am planning on covering in a bit more depth need a bit more research time for me.


Here he says he is quite suspicious of Yellow now. It's quite a change, and for reasons I still don't fully understand, but his change from Yellow as probable town (for whatever reason idk) to Yellow as suspicious, at a time when he still could have gone either way based on other people's thoughts on Yellow and not have had people think twice about his decision to do so, leads me to a few choices based on different scenarios.

If Yellow flips town, I'd say Dravernor looks a little scummy in this instance, but not enough to convince me of being full-blown mafia. There's still a possibility that he was concerned that Yellow's strange acting and responses made him think Yellow was scummy enough for him to switch his vote convincingly.

If Yellow flips scum, Dravernor is clear town.

Right now, I'd say Dravernor is neutral for me. Not enough evidence to lynch him. If anything, lynching Yellow would give everybody the most information we'd need right now to move forward, based on whose sides people have taken for and against Yellow.

Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information. If someone can convince me to move to a better vote, or something else big happens, I'm not opposed to changing it to someone better.

But just for now,

##VOTE: Yell0w

Epishade is much more clearly town after this.
Assume that I'm town. And that he's mafia. I'm already a bandwagon, it would be easy enough for him to jump on that. But he takes the time to vote yellow.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 03 2014 19:45 GMT
#838
On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know!

As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate.

As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade.

I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong.

Wait, you think he's town because he's wrong? I don't get it.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 04 2014 21:35 GMT
#916
Hey look, 30 minutes left and I'm about to die.
Sorry I was busy today. I still am.
I'm gonna die, not gonna bother defending myself, but here's what I think.
I don't even have time to look over today's posts.
I'm suspicious of dfs, drav, ahs, and eden mostly.
Bunnies needs to be looked at if she doesn't die today.
I think epishade, yellow and ritoky are town.
Mysterymeat, I have no idea.
Tambo, you I think is vigi.
GG guys, and win this one for me. I really wanted to win one of my newbie games, but it looks like that's probably not gonna happen.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 04 2014 23:41 GMT
#924
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 04 2014 23:42 GMT
#925
psstttt where's the obs qt?
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 05 2014 22:02 GMT
#944
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 07 2014 22:00 GMT
#1116
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#1173
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 13 2014 22:00 GMT
#1296
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 16 2014 22:00 GMT
#1408
GG
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 16 2014 22:48 GMT
#1446
So, whens the next newbie mini?
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 16 2014 22:50 GMT
#1447
Someone, make it, quick! I'm itching for another one.
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 16 2014 23:06 GMT
#1450
On May 17 2014 08:00 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt
LOL, I died d1 and I still feel exhausted as if I was playing in LYLO. I need an /obs vacation :D

You can co-host the next newbie game. (and give me all the answers) XP
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 17 2014 00:09 GMT
#1461
On May 17 2014 09:06 IAmRobik wrote:
If anyone of my students wants to post our qt feel free. I yhink the one with bunnies was good and got really intense at the end there lol

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/cRmdWeregpgsY
Robik + me.
I didn't use it as much tho...
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 17 2014 00:13 GMT
#1463
From obs QT

My 3rd post: I have eden, drav, dfs as mafia.

I win.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 17 2014 00:33 GMT
#1467
On May 17 2014 09:32 Epishade wrote:
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On May 17 2014 09:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Robik+Bunnies qt!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dZmhF7V34xrgg

He yelled at me dammit! Lmao


Pshhhht, that's nothin. Take a look at my QT!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bK4tBvRvCap

Best QT ever.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 17 2014 01:18 GMT
#1473
My top mistakes mafia made:
Eden focusing on tambo/SK. Instant scumread.
Dfs's intro post looked strange.
This post by drav: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=38#743
Otherwise, they did fairly well.


Really great game guys, GG.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 17 2014 15:33 GMT
#1497
On May 18 2014 00:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 17 2014 18:20 mtamburini wrote:
On May 17 2014 09:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Robik+Bunnies qt!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dZmhF7V34xrgg

He yelled at me dammit! Lmao


Poor you, you shouldnt have got him as we know him



Nah, rob is a good coach! I'm glad he was my coach!

Though im more interested in playing a forum game with him. Want to see how his forum game differs from his video play

Robik is an excellent town.
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