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On April 19 2014 00:18 kushm4sta wrote: koshi like i said.. arrogance got to you. dat power rank. mderg are you following this OO bullshit? What thinks you of it? rofl has nothing to do with it. Nothing was happening this game so I did stuff. | ||
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On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote: Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't. That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. This for example seemed townie to me but it actually doesn´t say anything other than lynching claimed vig on day 1 is bad. The wall of text kinda made it seem like a good town post at first glance. | ||
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Vivax
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I want to know from Skanja why he fakeclaimed vig cause I can't fathom the townie motivation behind that lie. Next, I want you guys to tell me your thoughts about those posts by OO, and if you see what I see: + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote: I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? On April 16 2014 14:22 ObviousOne wrote: -snipped- @mderg - not a single thing he's written comes to mind, so I go look and remember he had a single post. Pretty insightful post, if his claim to not having much time is true. One-liners are a part of the current meta-game so you're going to have to deal with it. Have you come up with any scum reads yet? On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote: Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't. That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. On April 17 2014 06:19 mderg wrote: Doesn´t change the fact that Skan looks scummy to me but it definitely speaks against lynching him on day 1. ##vote: FirmTofu Because his analysis on Skan and Djagu doesn´t say anything and I think his case on OTW is bad. I especially don´t like this post: In this post he gives OTW´s case some credit. Before this post he said that the case was awful. This change of his opinion contradicts the vote on OTW right after the post. On April 17 2014 07:31 ObviousOne wrote: I don't really know who I would vote for if not mderg. I think kush is probably town, but fuck me if I could prove it without a doubt. I keep conflating djag and cav in my mind for some reason. Djag seems to have been all gung-ho about playing super townie but spent half the day discussing that concept in various ways somehow. Seems to be a theme for his game. I'm really not sure what he's thinking lol. He has it out for Cav. Cav is also on the mderg-probably-town boat with you but he's played the filter length card against FT when his own filter is less than a page as well. Which is hilarious and stuff but by his own reasons for calling FT scum he is scum to himself. Not very fleshed out reasons for why FT is scum plus a short filter. | ||
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VOTE COUNT: ObviousOne (2): thrawn2112, Koshi Skanjab1s (1): mderg Not Voting (6): Vivax, OmniEulogy, ObviousOne, kushm4sta, OneThousandWords, Skanjab1s Lynch is in 31 hours. Voting is mandatory. Currently ObviousOne is set to be lynched! If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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On April 19 2014 04:38 Koshi wrote: Also pls take a look at the conversation between skanjab and mrderg. He semi-calls you scummy for defending mderg, looks like the paranoia I got pre-deadline about thrawn, OE and FT, but it can also be faked. Otherwise I don't see anything of particular interest in that conversation, he responds to mderg point by point. THe conversation in itself isn't particularly alignment indicative in my opinion. What WOULD be alignment indicative is why he would fakeclaim, and I'm interested into the way he gave priorities to his D1 reads. His scumreads went like mderg -> kush -> mderg (+ koshi?) -> FT and I have yet to see what he's doing to push his reads or find out if they are right. So far he's only been the attachy type of player. Agrees with thrawn on kush and mderg, agrees on FT. Not much of his own out there. Possibly scum. | ||
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On April 19 2014 06:25 Koshi wrote: can theyboth be scum in your experience? I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y? | ||
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On April 19 2014 06:27 Vivax wrote: I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y? No I wonder if you think that conversation can be done scum/scum. At that time in the game. 50% of both their filter. | ||
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On April 19 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: No I wonder if you think that conversation can be done scum/scum. At that time in the game. 50% of both their filter. It's possible. I didn't really doubt the vig claim cause I figured it would get sorted out at a later point, but if your scumbuddy knows you're fakeclaiming you might feel like putting in an early attack on the claimer for a later gain, however I'm currently comfortable believing that mderg is town. If you look at the quotes from OO you will notice that he called mderg scummy for wanting to lynch skanja at that point, mderg obliged and switched, OO didn't take that into account later and kept his vote on him, didn't deliver an own interpretation of that which is what I want him to do now and is one of the things I wanted you to notice. Also, that's the only reason he voted for mderg. Additionally, if you look at the first post you will notice how it's wall-of-text-like with very little information, I mentioned that earlier in D1. We should lynch Skanja or OO today and they both should be starting to contribute if they don't want that to happen. Still got questions open for you. Additionally, I have a question for OE: Are you the vigilante? Cause earlier you said that Skanja's claim was likely fake. | ||
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On April 19 2014 07:50 Koshi wrote: He claimed vig right before daypost. Bleh I missed that post lol | ||
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