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On April 17 2014 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote: yo realize that you are wasting your vote? i'm obviously town and I'm not going to get lynched. I do kind of like your return post (apart from the reads that weren't explained) and that was more along the lines of what I expected vivax to do when he entered. I'm going to do a quick re-read of Tofu just to make sure but my vote is most likely to end up there. | ||
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He returns and then further discredits me in regards to Vivax but doesn't care what's said at that time either. He doesn't seem invested in finding scum. ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu | ||
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OneThousandWords Scum for looking for the FT lynch during the day and fucking off as soon as he safely could put his vote on FT. On April 17 2014 20:28 Koshi wrote: OTW IS SO FUCKING SCUM HOLY FUCKING BALLS. HE IS SO FROM TL AS WELL. less certain. Still monies on HF. 1) Makes case on cav who is scum 2) agrees with kush case on cav. but x,y,z who are bullshit makes him town for some reason noboby knows, then adds some extra reasons to why cav is scum. 3) has a townread on cav out of nowhere 4) retracts townread on cav. LYNCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I think you've gone a little bit crazy here. How is my vote on Tofu any different from your vote on Omni? When I had left all Tofu had done was discredit me based on a thrawn case that he hadn't properly understood and when explained to him he said "yes that makes sense" but then STILL voted me. That was not something I had expected a towny to do and if I was around my vote would still have been on Tofu. So why is it that I am scummy for not being able to be here but YOU aren't scummy for doing the exact same thing on a player who could have easily been lynched at the time? Tofu was in the exact same spot as Omni when I left, low votes and not many people talking about him. As for my read on Cav, I was thinking to myself "who was it that I townread" and Cav popped up for a post he made but I was a little hesitant for some reason in the back of my mind (I made that clear in my post). I then re-read him and realised that this wasn't entirely the case and I remembered the points Kush had raised and how some of them still applied and then I retracted it very quickly afterwards. I'm still not from this forum, if you must know I was invited here by Greymist, who I've known for a while. | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: I can't agree on thrawn. Like. My reads are probably shit this game but no. That would be horrible. I think what he did at lynch time was pretty scummy. There are some things I find odd about how that lynch went down: Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112 FirmTofu (2): mderg, First and foremost, Thrawn. He originally started voting for Cavalinho for the reasons of PoE, not doing anything towny and being too formal. All reasons he was happy to push more and more come lynch time. + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2014 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I also think his stuff's all too formal, it hints that he's self conscious and he was in the thread around this time 24 hours ago. but where is he now? and I see what kush is saying now but I think that what's more telling is how tunneled cavalinho's been. if not for kush asking him abotu mderg then cavalin probably wouldn't have ever mentioned him. he only like to talk about his one scumread and he only has one reason for that scumread and I think the red part is indicative of scum mindset On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched Yet, all throughout the deadline time thrawn had been leaving both his options open: On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched This post implies that Tofu is not as strong as a scum read as his PoE read on Cavalinho but still wants to make it known that he has an option to switch if necessary, yet, out of some miraculous turn of events after thrawn had told both of them to post more stuff, very very shortly afterwards: On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg. Cavalinho and FT post stuff! On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT In the space of 2 minutes where not very much happened at all, where none of the people had posted anything worthy of a vote switch, thrawn decided that it was apt to switch to Tofu out of the blue. Here is what I think is the reason. Cavalinho (4): kushm4sta, Djagulingu, FirmTofu, thrawn2112 FirmTofu (4): mderg, The votes reached 4-4 and there was going to be a no lynch, thrawn had already switched to Cav and gave his reasoning but suddenly Cav and Vivax added their votes to Tofu. This enabled Thrawn to jump onto Tofu very easily: On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote firmtofu I think Thrawn saw that it was looking to be a Cav lynch and I think Cav is scum with Thrawn. Thrawn seeing the inevitable push on Cav decided it would be better to take credit and be on his scum partners wagon than to be off of it and look suspicious. When the turn of events happened and people started to vote Tofu then Thrawn found the opportunity to switch his vote onto Tofu and save his partner. | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:50 Koshi wrote: He still isn't scum though. Why not? | ||
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On April 17 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote: No just look at that filter. I don't see it happen. What about the filter? | ||
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On April 17 2014 23:23 thrawn2112 wrote: ft fucked off. he told us it was ok for us to lynch him him to avoid a no lynch and then stopped trying to save himself. So you're telling me he fucked off in the 2 minutes you gave him to respond? On April 17 2014 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: omg. Cavalinho and FT post stuff! On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT even though in that time Tofu was the only one out of the 2 to be posting! | ||
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Tofu is the only one to respond in this time whereas Cav is not around but then you vote for Tofu even though he was responding to everything being asked? | ||
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On April 18 2014 01:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all. another big part of why I swtiched was vivax. especially this post also OTW wtf is up with you shitting on me for choosing the lynch you voted for? you think I shoulda gone with the other guy? apperently not, according to your vote. I had imperfect information and was away from the deadline so could not ask questions or reaffirm myself, I also only voted based on the scummy way he pushed me for a lynch, whereas you were present and just declared ultimatums. I knew you'd bring up that post but I fail to see how that specific post could be read in 1 minute and then you were able to process it all in that time and vote for Tofu straight away (1 minute between vivax posting that wall of quotes and text and thrawn changing vote - in vote thread at :44 too). On April 17 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i'm going to vote for FT You also state: he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. it didn;t feel like he was trying to help at all. If this was the case then your posts at the actual time of the event were not true? On April 17 2014 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: tbh i don't feel that great about either of these lynches. something feels wrong Here (^) it states that you think passivity is something that a towny does. I wasn't impressed with FT's responses. he was being too passive, it didn't feel like a guy who was upset about potentially being mislynched. he wasn't trying to get cavalin lynched. cavalin was trying to get FT lynched, FT gave some last minutes read but it was a shitty list post and he didn't explain any of them. Whereas here(^), your reason for voting Tofu was passivity. If what you just say is true now, then Cavalinho absolutely should have been your top lynch choice, yet you went to Tofu directly after people started piling onto him. | ||
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On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote: I have three posts and you're scumreading me off them. That doesn't make any sense. I'd actually argue, but you have no real information to determine my alignment one way or the other. (Though, in all fairness, I have been somewhat inactive.) Oddness aside, I'm actually going to go ahead and say that I somewhat like this post in the sense that it feels like you're trying to generate discussion. Sure, it's wrong, but that happens. With the activity of the thread being so mediocre as it stands, trying to generate discussion is a pro-town move in my eyes. Which was fair enough and it seemed like a way a towny would respond, however, practically your next post was: On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote: Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere. I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players. ##Vote FirmTofu Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well. How are the two events different? Why mention in the first place that reading someone as scummy from only a few posts is a weird thing for town to do (admittedly you town read me for it anyway) but then in your next post do the exact same thing? | ||
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 Also, what has ObviousOne done all game? He has only pushed mderg AFAIK and that is the person who was attacking the claimed vig. I made the assumption that no sane scum would do that, so why has ObviousOne made the opposite conclusion and why is that pretty much his only contribution? He practically refrains from being a part of the Cav/Tofu lynch. | ||
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Has ObviousOne received some sort of captaincy? I was unaware. Koshi, I know you posted a list of people you scum read earlier but subsequently it gives me the benefit of seeing that you are wrong on me. I pretty much agree with what you wrote about the other two though, so, replacing me who is your third? I'd wholeheartedly suggest thrawn but you seem to have a town read on him. | ||
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On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote: mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case. As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1. ##vote ObviousOne Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on. I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though. | ||
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On April 20 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote: Wait. Why is thrawn not scum anymore? I made the case that his switch onto Tofu was at a time to save his scum buddy Cavalinho. The fact that it was a lynch between two towns fully corroborated with Thrawn's story of events that he posted a while ago. I don't think a scum person has a motive to switch between both people like he did unless he was so unsure (like he stated) which is a towny mindset. | ||
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On April 20 2014 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote: so why di you spend all your time tunneling me when it only made sense to call me scum if cavalinho was scum? and please explain what you meant even tho cavalinho is dead. i would stil like to know Well I was pretty sure Cavalinho was scum from his play, he was defensive and focusing on just tofu and only defending himself. I thought his filter was too single track minded to be town and thought he would get lynched today to prove myself right on you so it was a sarcastic jab at yourself. It did not work out too well. | ||
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1. thrawn2112 - Town 2. Vivax - Town 3. OmniEulogy - Vigilante 5. mderg 7. kushm4sta - Town 9. OneThousandWords - Town 11. Skanjab1s 12. Koshi - Not so Town Thrawn Been on him all game but Cavalinho being town means that the lynch between FirmTofu and Cavalinho was a town/town lynch in which case thrawn's self analysis of his thought process come lynch time was accurate and most likely leaves him as town: Thrawn's thought process is here. Vivax I did not like his entry into the game, however, now that I know the lynch on day 1 was between town and town it makes his filter look a lot better. He was very aprehensive about the Cavalinho wagon gaining steam when people were joining the wagon but not questioning it or making cases: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=37#725. This post in paticular made me say, hey, this guy is right, there hasn't been a solid case on Cavalinho but people are still voting him while saying that they need to ask him more questions. This also shows a general overarching suspicion of FirmTofu growing. He also looked at all of Cavalinho's posts in detail to point out specific points that actually made sense to people at the time and got them to switch to FirmTofu. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=39#761. I don't think mafia puts themselves out there to that extent and does that kind of research into a lynch in a town vs town scenario lynch. He has also been trying to get discussions going in the past couple of quiet days. So I have a town read on him too. mderg Mderg IMO is scummy. There isn't much stuff on his filter to go on and it seems to be like he has just been skating on through the game, mainly, he seems to have very little interaction to do with the day 1 lynch and his contribution to lynch actual scum (ObviousOne) does not exist. In fact, he voted Skanjab1s instead. His first post was contentless and summed up things that pretty much everyone had already said and then after quite some time of waiting and accusations being thrown around his second post does not really address much in the game at all and just consists of him answering randomq questions. He has weird pushes on Djagu (confirmed blue) for playing "the newbie card" but says it in a way in which it was not used (koshi? pointed this out) and then flits to trying to get the claimed vigilante lynched. In my mind I treated this guy as a confirmed vigilante, however, now that the actual vigilante has come out this puts all his accusations into incredibly suspicious territory. I've PoE'd the scum team to Skanjab1s and Mderg and I know this initially looks strange and I feel extremely aprehensive in doing so after making a connection theory with Thrawn and Cavalinho on day 1 but there is something off about the way Mder fought with Skanjab1s that just didn't seem natural. He pushes him for a long time of day 1 but then drops it altogether to lynch FirmTofu for reasons that are sheeped from other people. His interactions with ObviousOne are also very mediocre and no suspicion is raised about him. Then suddenly after having little to 0 participation in the day 1 lynch at night after everyone and their mothers starts calling ObviousOne scummy mderg says: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#956. This on it's own is not that bad BUT there was the post the NEXT DAY that does not compare with this: On April 19 2014 00:45 mderg wrote: He is a bit scummy. But there have also been some posts that put some doubts about that in my mind. After saying that he agrees that ObviousOne is scum he says he has doubts (which he didn't mention in the night) and then quickly corrects that afterwards to say he has a scum read on ObviousOne (but still never votes for him over Skanjab1s). I think Skanjab1s is truly busy and just told his team to lynch him and mderg took this to the next level and has been pushing him all game to look good for when he flips. His interactions with ObviousOne are strange and his read is not maintained through the game (in little space of time). I think mderg is scum. kushm4sta kushm4sta started the game well, instead of jumping on hate trains he instead looked at the content behind these trains and decided to discuss them, I might be a bit biased because he defended me against a koshi onslaught but nevertheless he was actually convicted in his reasonings for lynching cavalinho (even if i didn't agree with some of the points) and was one of the only people to actually bring up reasons. He was questioning his scum read all through the game and was demanding answers to get a better outlook on his reads with posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#943 the only aprehension I have is that he PoE'd people and had a set list of people he thought was scum but then decided to add the person who was actually posting during quiet periods Vivax onto it. This didn't add up because Koshi was on his original PoE list but then he suddenly agreed with Koshi on Vivax which seemed a little odd. I still lean town on Kushm4sta though. Skanjab1s Skanjab1s is the other person that I think is scummy and yes, with Mderg. He initially claimed vigilante and that he did not have much time. This, I initially thought was towny, however, now I realise he legitimately does not have time and his activity is really low. This enabled him to have the perfect cover if he was mafia saying that "he did it to soak up actions", which was his response when I questioned him. I don't think the roleblock weighs in on his alignment though because like I initially said at the start of the game, mafia would most likely "block" a vigilante so if he was mafia he would need to feign being rb'd (sorry koshi I know you don't agree). Regardless, his filter seems very very defensive for someone who just claimed vigilante. He spends the entire time just bickering with Mderg but not in a way that looks like it comes from something natural. He just responds to points in a point by point answering fashion which is easy to do as mafia/mafia. His entire filter talks about nothing but mderg (a little of omni and kush) but then out of the blue he says this: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. He votes Tofu with very very little interaction, very little reasoning and then afk's until he returns on day 2 where he claims that he was roleblocked and votes ObviousOne because at this point he had to. I am pretty sure he is scum. Koshi Koshi is a wildcard and has an enormous amount of pages of filter. It's quite silly and makes it hard to read through but from what I remember/read in his filter he spends a lot of time just being aggressive in a way that he seems to be playing the game by himself. He spent a lot of day 1 not really listening to what other people had to say and just followed his own thoughts, he ignored posts that made sense as people being mafia on his town reads despite them making sense and then even started to come around to those thoughts later. He spent well over HALF of his filter arguing that an Mderg lynch was super terrible because it was a lurker lynch but then gave in and voted mderg and said he was going to afk because we are all terrible which is a super strange way to play. He then pushes me and calls me scum based on a difference of opinions on an earlier post on skanjab1's, after spending like 4 pages arguing about it he finally concedes that: On April 17 2014 01:36 Koshi wrote: OTW said something incorrect. The only point I want to make. It was no longer scummy, just the I said something incorrect!?!??! His actions with ObviousOne also don't exist and probably the main thing I'd want to address is that he tries to get the cop to check ObviousOne: On April 17 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote: This game is solved for me. Those 2 die. Make sure cop checks OO/Kush or somebody else you think is likely to be scum but unlikely to be lynched soon. Koshi also says he will check ObviousOne's meta but never does and then says that WE should check ObviousOne's meta quite some time after that but ends up voting him instead of actually checking it when consensus was pretty set. Vivax was also one of Koshi's top town reads and suddenly when it looks like scummy people like mderg or skanjab1s are getting lynched he switches to vivax being scum and tomorrow's lynch even though vivax was only one doing effort things in quiet period. Now that I've written this bit on Koshi, I'm almost less convinced about a Skanjab1s/Mderg team and now more about an Mderg/Koshi team. Mderg was defended by Koshi really hard and much yelling was done. Today Koshi is pushing a lynch onto Skanjab1s and suddenly wants to switch onto his previous top town read Vivax for little nitpicky reasons. | ||
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