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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 04 2014 18:13 GMT
#2281
On April 05 2014 03:12 Koshi wrote:
The Horseman Death is SK. But probably not.

I'm actually a DT :OOOOOOOO
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 04 2014 18:14 GMT
#2282
On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:

Ummmm, what else. Oh right. If I'm alive tonight, I'm going to be using my night action on Joey (it's nothing bad). I suggest no one target Joey or myself. It might turn out poorly for you.

Do you think he is lying? If he is not lying then claiming this as scum wouldn't be very smart, would it?
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 04 2014 18:15 GMT
#2283
On April 05 2014 03:00 LSB wrote:
Why would they out themselves if they had a separate win condition from the town? Palmar seems to indicate that not all third parties are antitown


I actually think 3p would be a good asset for town since the roles in this game seem weird (at least looking at my own, lol). I am glad to seek a jointwin.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 04 2014 18:16 GMT
#2284
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Edition 3. Day 1 of Catastrophe.


BREAKING NEWS!


[image loading]


We interrupt for this breaking news bulletin!


For the first time in the entire game so far a great list of mafia suspects was posted! We now go live to the post itself:
On April 04 2014 23:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
You seem to be very against lynching Paper though kita. Like hes your 3rd scummiest dude but you really dont want to lynch him? Doesnt sit right with me.


How is he my third scummiest dude? These players are higher up on the chopping block for me:

iamp
Amiko
Hope
killing
syllo
Keirathi
and maybe Koshi
(VE?)


Kitaman has shocked the entire player base by posting a list of mafia suspects that actually makes sense and is congruent with the actions of the thread. This is especially surprising since Kitaman had posted earlier in the day that he was a bit too busy to even be playing the game.

"I told everyone early on in the game that my time was limited," Kitaman told us in an interview. "Jokes on them! LOL I've actually been carefully reading everything!"

The list is so good that Kitaman is looking to apply it for the Best Game Post award. This wouldn't be the first time he's collected an award for dumpstering an entire scum-team on day 1.

"It's posts like these that give me hope for the future," says esteemed mafia expert Foolishness. "Personally, I'd replace Keirathi and Koshi with Djodref and tehpoofter, and there's probably no reason to include VE. But otherwise this list probably wraps up most of the game."



The JubJub Journal™ - Apr 4, 2014.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 04 2014 18:20 GMT
#2285
Foolishness, if you aren't gonna provide some reasoning for your reads you won't convince anyone. What about an opinion on the leading wagon?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 04 2014 18:22 GMT
#2286
Paperscraps isn't in that list, paperscraps is being voted. Foolishness doesn't comment on paperscraps. Foolishness is a shitter version of shadow foolishness. Foolishness is mafia.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 04 2014 18:24 GMT
#2287
##vote paperscraps

although I dont agree entirely but ya know majority lynch and all. take this as a vote on killing that isn't useless
I come in for the scraps
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 04 2014 18:25 GMT
#2288
First and foremost I want to reiterate that the most important thing right now is that we need to get someone lynched. It is a majority lynch system so we need to consolidate our votes. with only one vote candidate please vote for paperscrapes or explain why you think he is town.



This game has been noted by obvious mafias. People that play so mafiaish that they scream "LYNCH Me". Unfortunatly it has grown to the point where it may well as be more mafia than town. Such is the life in TL.

OBV Mafia (just click filter): Djodref, sandroba, VA, gumshoe - Note obv mafia is not a definative statement but more of a general filter impression.

VayneAuthority - Although not directly antitown, it seems pretty clear that he does not have the towns interest in mind. If he ever comes up to be lynched, expect him to explain that the town's win condition does not include him. He would make a great vig target but alas I don't have KP

Keirathi - Previously I've posted about Keirathi here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=67#1323
On the good note he has began to talk about game related things. On the bad note, there is very little difference from what he did before. Known for the BH train, but "Replacements are scum" is lazy and not alignment indicative. I've created a very own "Make your own Keirathi Ad Lib"

Pick a player ____
Pick an alignment ____
+ Show Spoiler +
[Player] is probs ____



Killing - People have pointed out that Killing is playing much differently than how he did as mafia in foundations. Yet the same can be said about people playing differently in their second game from their first. Meta reading off of one game is pretty suspicious IAmRobik.
It is hard to find in a game someone with more setup related talk and less reads than I do, but killing does fit that bill. His horse fishing certainly is pretty questionable. After all, if the horses were antitown, does he seriously expect them to say that? I think he is interested in the impact of horses on other alignments in the game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=111#2217 This post stands out by being his longest post, and the one that seems to be contributing reads. Analysis on spam seems to me as desperate, next of which are pure personality analysis. We have no way of knowing if this personality analysis is legit, but what strikes out to me is in no time is there any mention of Techpoofter being anti-town, or acting scummy (aside from the spam analysis). To me this is "Oh shit my filter has no content, let me post something".
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#2289
At least in shadow he talked about the relevant people and gave good reasoning as to their alignments. That sort of balanced out his lack of activity and conversation with people. This game is reads with not much content and no conversation and the majority of his reads seem to be the no posting people.. And no paperscraps.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#2290
So I had a wild thought while I was in the shower. I was thinking about the whole Paperscrap's "ThePoofter is town because of his posting this game" -> "ThePoofter is null because of meta" change, and it made me wonder *WHY* his read changed if we take for granted that PS is scum. I mean, sure, maybe he just forgot. But what if there's another reason?

So I went back and read through (part of) the context of the thread between those two posts, particularly what was happening around the time of the null read. And the really weird thing is that there was absolutely no one calling Poofter scum before that post except for this one little thing:

On April 04 2014 10:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
On April 04 2014 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 04 2014 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
kita: dandel explainy-votey-now-y


I like to go to bed in a good mood.

I like to go to bed feeling good about town-kita (because that happens every game we play, it really does). Hmm this isn't convincing. Please just explain?


No real explanation other than it feels good to vote him.

Tehpoofter and Koshi are my top two bad guys at the moment. I'll likely pursue them tomorrow since I'm heading to bed right now. Suppose I could vote one of them, but don't feel like it.


Kita mentioned him in passing, and Wave bounced one little question back at him. So why was Paperscraps getting so defensive of Poofter at that point? If you recall, his exact words (rearranged for your reading pleasure) were:

On April 04 2014 10:46 Paperscraps wrote:
Also for anyone scum reading Tehpoofter, his posts so far are neutral. This is using video mafia meta as a baseline, so probably not to accurate.


Basically it's just really weird to me that he 1) felt the need to defend Poofy there from, well, nothing and 2) how in his defense he also downgrades his green read to a null read *AND* leaves himself an out by saying "so it's probably not accurate".

Paperscraps and Poofy both scum?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#2291
On April 04 2014 23:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so I just read Amiko's filter. Its bad.
Show nested quote +
@tehpoofter: I know you are calling Balla a girl in those that post and I remember rereading another game where you did the same thing. Would you share your reasons for pretending to misunderstand his gender? Did it give you any reads or useful information in the other game?

Totally useless and superfluous question that leads to no good answer.
And he just keeps asking people to consider that Paper is scum due to the clearly not role related reversing. I dont understand why he has such strong feelings that Paper is doing it outside of his role makes him scummy. He never ever explains, just states it as fact. He also mentions Balla a fair bit but never gives a read on him which is really odd.

yeah so basically both BH and Amiko want to lynch paper for not great reasons, marv's reason is the only good one.
Man if he was here this would be so much easier.
Fuckkkkkk.


@Oats: kitaman27 replicate his play in Dr. Who (ongoing) game and it was a focus of d1. Tehpoofter is in the same game, so I wanted to see if he was trying to make some deeper play.

About balla I was going to make a read based on where he went, then he subbed out. I don't really think BlazingHand can address why Balla proposed a random vote and give any meaningful information so I didn't bother pursuing it.

I think paperscraps is lying to town. Yes, town can lie to town. But, I think scum is more likely to lie to town.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 04 2014 18:27 GMT
#2292
I will tell you right now that your list is hilariously bad LSB, mainly cuz horses.
I come in for the scraps
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#2293
Yessssssssss Foolishness is so smart. (this is solely based on the fact he reads me town)

Today we do what marv wants.

BUT NOT TOMORROW

(unless we lynch scum, then we follow marv his lead. Unless he decides to be evil again. But he wont. Probably. He will die I guess. If we lynch scum.)
I had a good night of sleep.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 04 2014 18:33 GMT
#2294
On April 05 2014 03:01 Amiko wrote:
@Palmar (I meant substantial reads, not like "townpile" vs "scumpile" which I am mostly discounting so far)

I have not seen him in this continuity.
Computer says mafia
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 04 2014 18:39 GMT
#2295
On April 05 2014 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:09 Amiko wrote:
@JAT
I feel Robik is unlikely to be town because he claimed to be immune to nightkills. If he is town, he should want mafia to target him to soak KP.

I feel Robik's claim was not joking for a few reasons, but among them it's because I feel he is a player who is reluctant to fakeclaim. Another reason: it feels more believable since kita also claimed to be immune to nightkills.

So, I feel he is 3p or scum, more likely 3p because I don't think scum would claim it so early.
I don't see why town would claim it at all.

But why would scum/3rd party claim it?


- Mafia deter shots from themselves via this claim from vigis/3p. So, vigis shooting are more likely to hit town.
- 3p same thing; except they probably don't care who dies. (rayn's roleclaim suggested he needed some other 3p though)
- 3p indicates their alignment to prepare to joint win

By the way, pretty much everything I am saying about Robik also applies to kitaman27 and generally, I think.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 04 2014 18:41 GMT
#2296
On April 05 2014 03:39 Amiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 05 2014 03:09 Amiko wrote:
@JAT
I feel Robik is unlikely to be town because he claimed to be immune to nightkills. If he is town, he should want mafia to target him to soak KP.

I feel Robik's claim was not joking for a few reasons, but among them it's because I feel he is a player who is reluctant to fakeclaim. Another reason: it feels more believable since kita also claimed to be immune to nightkills.

So, I feel he is 3p or scum, more likely 3p because I don't think scum would claim it so early.
I don't see why town would claim it at all.

But why would scum/3rd party claim it?


- Mafia deter shots from themselves via this claim from vigis/3p. So, vigis shooting are more likely to hit town.
- 3p same thing; except they probably don't care who dies. (rayn's roleclaim suggested he needed some other 3p though)
- 3p indicates their alignment to prepare to joint win

By the way, pretty much everything I am saying about Robik also applies to kitaman27 and generally, I think.

So you think Robik is lying about being immune and also mafia/3rd party together with Killing?
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
April 04 2014 18:45 GMT
#2297
I tend to think he is immune because in the only scum game I read of Robik he considered fakeclaiming but then hesitated and ultimately didn't do so. I think that reflects some discomfort with fakeclaiming, so I don't think he is likely to do so d1 when he doesn't have to do so.

Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 04 2014 18:49 GMT
#2298
On April 05 2014 03:45 Amiko wrote:
I tend to think he is immune because in the only scum game I read of Robik he considered fakeclaiming but then hesitated and ultimately didn't do so. I think that reflects some discomfort with fakeclaiming, so I don't think he is likely to do so d1 when he doesn't have to do so.

Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry.

If you think he isn't fakeclaiming - isn't it a protown thing to tell town that targeting him/Killing could be harmful? I don't see what mafia gains by doing so.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 04 2014 18:53 GMT
#2299
On April 05 2014 03:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:45 Amiko wrote:
I tend to think he is immune because in the only scum game I read of Robik he considered fakeclaiming but then hesitated and ultimately didn't do so. I think that reflects some discomfort with fakeclaiming, so I don't think he is likely to do so d1 when he doesn't have to do so.

Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry.

If you think he isn't fakeclaiming - isn't it a protown thing to tell town that targeting him/Killing could be harmful? I don't see what mafia gains by doing so.

Mafia has much more KP than town, though in this case there is probably zero chance that mafia would waste KP on him. So I wouldn't call it alignment indicative
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 04 2014 18:54 GMT
#2300
EBWOP
On April 05 2014 03:53 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 05 2014 03:45 Amiko wrote:
I tend to think he is immune because in the only scum game I read of Robik he considered fakeclaiming but then hesitated and ultimately didn't do so. I think that reflects some discomfort with fakeclaiming, so I don't think he is likely to do so d1 when he doesn't have to do so.

Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry.

If you think he isn't fakeclaiming - isn't it a protown thing to tell town that targeting him/Killing could be harmful? I don't see what mafia gains by doing so.

Usually claiming vet is antitown because Mafia has much more KP than town, and it is less likely that town would shoot you. Though in this case there is probably zero chance that mafia would waste KP on him. So I wouldn't call it alignment indicative
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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