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On April 05 2014 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:
You can be protown tomorrow. Why wouldn't you?
The only way I can be protown tomorrow is by reading and giving analysis. Not by items and abilities. That's what I meant. So it's more like. I don't feel like being protown. Also Saturday Sunday. meh.
On April 05 2014 02:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you aware of the identify of the players in your qt? In the past, GreYMisT has created roles where mafia provides input on the shot and tries to influence town to use kp in a certain way aka the igrok role from personality 2. If you guys have multiple shots, I doubt that all of them are town.
Also, to the townies in the group, I would take the shot before the mafia has the opportunity. Preferably at someone like Amiko/hope/djo.
At 3 am I will instantly put out a shot on the most popular target.
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On April 05 2014 02:14 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:12 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think Hopeless would be a good shot. Sure, he's not playing, but I have a hard time seeing him as scum. His tone is way to cheerful and playful. Who would you suggest?
Probably Djo. Good, solid lurker shot.
Also for reference, this is a post of some meta work I did on Hopeless like a year ago. I'm sure its probably still true.
On January 06 2013 09:03 Keirathi wrote:Okay, the next person I want to talk about is Hopeless1der. I originally sent in my shot on him, instead of tube. Marv hadn't flipped yet, and as a Vengeful Vig, I could only shoot people who were voting on confirmed town lynches. But I went back and did some meta diving on Hopeless, and I'm not quite as sure that he is scum as I was when WBG made the case originally. I think bugs missed a key part of scum Hopeless's mindset compared to his town mindset. For instance (These are from scum games): + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote:
I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: MusoAcro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live.
Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him).
Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:15 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't want to lynch either muso or prpl.
Prpl was mislynched as town in his last several games. He looks very scummy as town. So keep that in mind.
Your case on him is very bas. The only scummy thing is giving a bunch of town reads which isn't that scummy.
So what if he thought there was 2 mason pairs. Not everyone knows the probability of that. Also I thought the same thing.
Muso, I think it would be very hard for scum to come up with that vt role name. Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote:
Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed?Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:
Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote:
I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 02 2012 04:47 HiroPro wrote:
Millers flip miller on death.
If a mason dies, their partner is not revealed.
Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 01:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
You may claim your role and character name, but I will be modkilling for flavor text (although the game should not be breakable with flavor, it's rule 11). Let this be your last and only warning. He's doing things that are apparently 'allowed' as far as mod rules go. That said, I don't think kush is being particularly helpful, but its not scummy to me. This is kush legitimately trying to contribute and reason out whether or not the lynch candidate is who he says he is (i.e. is Muso really VT). Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:52 kushm4sta wrote:On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd It's not just based on 2 people claims. It's based on the lack of claim from ALL the vts, AND the claims of two people. Acro seems really upset by my theory. drazzak, acro, and thrawn have all shat on my theory now. Why don't you guys actually EXPLAIN why it's such a bad idea instead of just SAYING it's bad. Do you really believe that all VTs have non character role names except for one named Jessica Rabbit. I do not believe that is likely. He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted.
Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. On November 03 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Muso never came back when I questioned this, and I found this last post of his really scummy: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote:It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is.
I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax If it was 3AM at time of post, its around 8AM now. He might be back before the deadline but I won't hold my breath. He's already said he probably wont make it. That's not scummy, thats needing sleep. The scummy part is where he says me continuing to push his lynch is scummy and that it makes the case on promethelax look stronger. This suggests we're both scum. However, if Prom flips town, we should interrogate me. So I'm scum no matter what, basically because I still want to lynch his lying ass. Now compare that to his votes/pressure this game: + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't it be nice if we all just lynched cc he flips scum and we all praise me as the new best in the world.
That's all i really want. For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake
##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake
##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot  No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
also lol @ hopeless actively lurking.
He said nothing for 3 hours and had no comments on the major goings-on but as soon as I make a case on him he shows up.
I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake
##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake how do you feel about BC, dear? Apologies if you've already answered this before. Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote:
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Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people.
Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point. A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact. I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Scum Hopeless is much more decisive and pushy. Town Hopeless, in my experience, is wishy-washy, non-committal, and sheepy. I think this actually feels more like town Hopeless.
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I really can't shoot djodref though. Last game I lynched him on the same day his cat died. Really sad stuff.
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On April 05 2014 02:20 Koshi wrote:
I really can't shoot djodref though. Last game I lynched him on the same day his cat died. Really sad stuff.
Yes, yes you can.
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On April 05 2014 02:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:20 Koshi wrote:
I really can't shoot djodref though. Last game I lynched him on the same day his cat died. Really sad stuff. Yes, yes you can.
Well in theory I could.
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gumshoe is really active in cell and his name has been thrown around a lot and by his own meta analysis if he gets overwhelmed as scum he just gets lazy and doesn't post
shoot that mofo
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That sounds extremely appealing.
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I'm gonna eat and post, have a few points I want to make.
I'll try to focus on other players. I don't feel talking about the button is fluff. I guess it became fluff since people haven't really engaged with my idea in a meaningful way, so I'll drop it with just one other comment:
@WaveofShadow
On April 04 2014 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Re: button---absolutely no reason to talk about after the 'fluff' stage. It was pregame and there is no indication there is even any button IN this game.
Wat? The setup posts talk about "the device" - it seems to me it is in the game.
Anyway, I'm willing to stop pushing the conversation, but I'll gladly revisit it if anyone else wants to discuss it.
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Paperscraps
I posted some comments about paperscraps earlier. I also like marv's point. Here's another thing which I think makes him a good lynch:
First, paper is asking blazinghand to be more honest.
On April 04 2014 08:41 Paperscraps wrote:
.run long the in you help will It .though honest more be should You .dude cool pretty a like seem You .friends be should we ,Blazing
Later, he seems to want to back off Blazinghand.
On April 04 2014 10:46 Paperscraps wrote:
.moment the at reprieve a warrant to Enough .genuine somewhat seemed me against attack his but ,forum a on "heated" or "mad" being fake to easier is it know I .now for BlazingHand off back all can We
He could be just reading Blazing as a third party (encouraging him to reveal his goals) particularly given his intervening post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=79#1574).
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Response to Kita (discussing paperscraps)
@kitaman27
On April 04 2014 23:21 kitaman27 wrote:
I take back my town read on Amiko. He has focused on two topics this game: paper's backwards writing and robik's immunity claim. When I point out that the self imposed post restriction is just as likely to be a town action, he doesn't attempt to convince me otherwise or really state his opinion of the matter at all, even though it is his only reason for the vote as far as I can tell.
This comment feels disingenuous to me.
You gave the following response to me regarding paperscraps-
On April 04 2014 08:34 kitaman27 wrote:
My guess is that he is faking it. He starts off the game with a normal post, which means non-role related and GreYMisT historically doesn't create a ton of those type of roles (if any?). Town players are just as likely to fake a restriction as mafia though. Maybe ask him nicely to stop?
I considered what you said and it's why I posted
On April 04 2014 08:45 Amiko wrote:
?about dishonest being is Blazinghand think you do What :@Paperscraps
I asked paperscraps some questions so I could get some information and evaluate whether he was town or mafia. I think he's ignored me completely which doesn't make him any more towny in my eyes.
Also, for what it's worth, I did also ask paperscraps to stop (nicely, in his own format) as you suggested, so I think it's incorrect to suggest I ignored your post.
On April 04 2014 08:45 Amiko wrote:
?so do to willing be you would wording your reversing stop to this like you ask I If :@Paperscraps
Also, I thought your comment that puts you in a similar boat to Robik was interesting, and I wanted to know if you were serious... but we can talk about that later.
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I feel like I might have skimmed over some stuff and missed something. But do we not give a fuck that someone claimed anti-town horse and that he stated that VE is in his QT.
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Why though? Wouldn't someone that claimed anti-town be the best lynch?
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The difference in effort Gumshoe has put in cell mini and this game is drastic. Him saying that he sometimes decides to be lazy if a game doesn't interest him isn't sufficient given the contrast. Does his QT content look any better?
Gumshoe: I'm not expecting miracles from your answer, but could you attempt to enunciate as to why this game doesn't interest you?
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On April 05 2014 02:40 marvellosity wrote:
too obvious.
The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse?
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On April 05 2014 02:43 Killing wrote:The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse?
neigh
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On April 05 2014 02:43 Killing wrote:The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse?
So?
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On April 05 2014 02:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:43 Killing wrote:On April 05 2014 02:40 marvellosity wrote:
too obvious. The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse? neigh
We could be in an advanced futures where hoses have learnt to build nuclear bombs. Fuck horses, one of them kicked me when I was a kid. We should be slaughtering them.
Also, your response makes you auto top town. That was god like. I'm still laughing.
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On April 05 2014 02:43 Killing wrote:The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse?
There are 4 horses. And (I think?) they are all claimed. Are they all scum?
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