Cell Mini Mafia

On April 02 2014 03:55 prplhz wrote:
also, for all the hydras, how you gonna play? will you have one player dominating and just consulting the other guy sporadically? will you sign your posts? will you agree on things before posting or be like two players just posting from one account?

On April 02 2014 03:57 Koshi wrote:

I don't understand this. Explain the not happy face.

On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there.

On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:


I more or less agree with this.

On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:
dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too.

i'm okay with him for now.

On April 02 2014 04:25 Balla24 wrote:
So @prplhz are you saying it's likely that we mislynch when lynching into my cell? In that case why would you want us first, we'd just be starting 0-1?

On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn

On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

You just said he seems kinda scummy.

~rayn

On April 02 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote:
i think getmoript is acting a lot more confident in himself than he should be. can anyone tell me if he usually is like this?

On April 02 2014 05:26 prplhz wrote:

that i'm not very comfortable with you so far. it seems like an act that you're so sure of yourself.

On April 02 2014 05:35 prplhz wrote:
wait

is cav WoS?

On April 02 2014 05:44 getmoript wrote:

esplain
~g

On April 02 2014 06:13 prplhz wrote:
@gumshoe what you think of the orders proposed by me and getript?

On April 02 2014 06:23 prplhz wrote:

just lol

if you like geript's order then why not go with it?

On April 02 2014 07:16 prplhz wrote:

you know, you can make reads on d1 even if you're not up for lynch on d1.

On April 02 2014 07:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

This is dumb. Trading yourself for a lynch between 2.
you got 48 hours to find
1 confirmed townie.
1 semi confirmed town.
1 scummy looking townie.
in 1 groupd

On April 02 2014 07:17 gumshoe wrote:


Yes, but seeing as hes strongest on day 1 why not put him in the best position possible to use those strengths?

On April 02 2014 07:30 prplhz wrote:


i'm going to leave now because everybody is ignoring me

also it's late

On April 02 2014 07:31 prplhz wrote:
like, literally

getript
gum
lsb

all completely ignoring my posts

On April 02 2014 07:17 gumshoe wrote:


Yes, but seeing as hes strongest on day 1 why not put him in the best position possible to use those strengths?

On April 03 2014 01:25 mderg wrote:


There was already quite some pressure on you, though(still much less than now). So hypothetically defending me could give you town points when I flip green. Or I would be an easy kill, if you get lynched on day1.

On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads.

~rayn

On April 03 2014 07:53 prplhz wrote:
not really rayn

like palmar is town just based on how he acts but that's kind of it

i have no idea about your slam read but if you're town i'll trust you on it. if not then lsb is only kind of doing his thing from fisticuffs, lists and plans instead of commenting on stuff. i do think he was a lot more engaged in the game in fisticuffs though, he loudly disagreed with you and picked your number just for the lulz of it. balla i like. i have the same feeling about him that i did in default suspicions.

sent/coag hard to say. coag null, sent not very active.

getript is hard to say really. i would probably lynch him over cephiro. for someone who is this active he should really be more all over the place. i don't get how he can not comment on this whole swearing situation and just carry on with the same old prplhz-is-scum-for-no-reason thing.

i think gum is scum over steve. just thinking the steve thing over, i don't mind that he doesn't want to 1up gum on the oath thing. i can also get over that he originally complained over the oath thing because it was a bad argument (here) and only later did he mention that he opposed it because of a principle thing. his ragequit looked bad but then it turns out he didn't ragequit at all so that didn't actually look bad anyway. all in all, i think steve navigated a minefield and emerged relatively unscathed. gum on the other hand.....

On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote:
anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.

and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).

it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.

On April 03 2014 08:35 prplhz wrote:

i don't understand this at all.

ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?

i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.

i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.

On April 03 2014 08:12 prplhz wrote:
@getript

i'm really slow and all so please bear with me if i'm asking dumb questions.

you read me scum, but you read rayn scummier because he doesn't agree with you on your read on me?

On April 03 2014 08:51 prplhz wrote:

1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.

2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.

On April 03 2014 08:04 prplhz wrote:
mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was. i also like balla24's early read on him but that's a bit more flaky.

poofter i don't know really. low activity and i don't remember thinking his posts were all that great.

flare isn't very active.

dunno that's kind of a hard group. flare is nowhere near as townie as he was in that game we just played where no one accused him of anything the entire game.

On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
@gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner)

I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing.

On April 03 2014 23:18 prplhz wrote:
i don't think that scum steve would ragequit only to come back again right away and not ragequit at all

On April 04 2014 03:19 Palmar wrote:

Yeah this is equally dumb as the swearing thing.

On April 04 2014 04:26 getmoript wrote:

So can you give an brief summation on why rayn think's I'm scum and your take on it?

On April 04 2014 04:51 prplhz wrote:
hey getript you remember that time when you told me that you'd reconsider me but you didn't have time because you were doing important stuff and then you proceeded to talk to slam about colors and animals for 4 pages?

On April 04 2014 05:00 prplhz wrote:


rayn is town

On April 04 2014 05:45 prplhz wrote:

voting for rayn or koshi?

On April 05 2014 02:09 prplhz wrote:
gumshoe is just making shit up as he goes

On April 05 2014 02:19 prplhz wrote:

Like, you're just making shit up as you go, no thinking just fitting everything to your agenda. If I am scum, and Palmar is scum, why on earth would I even think that Palmar needed or would benefit from me posting a one liner? I'm just posting exactly what I am seeing, you are in make-shit-up-mode. Every time someone posts it completely confirms whatever you think and that's just not how mafia works at all.

On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote:
Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade?

People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start.

On April 06 2014 09:45 gumshoe wrote:


No im reasoning with you here : D lets arrive at the truth together k?

dunno maybe sent is scum

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL

A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY

meh

##Vote Coagulation

On April 06 2014 06:41 Palmar wrote:
Like I've posted most of this stuff before.

prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him.
geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town.
So ceph is mafia.

On April 06 2014 10:30 prplhz wrote:
Yes. I also think this final voteswitch was to create chaos. But it ended up with him suddenly appearing very scum to the entire thread.

On April 06 2014 10:34 prplhz wrote:

Yes.

And since they were both town Palmar didn't give a fuck and only did it to create chaos. He didn't predict that it would exonerate both [UoN]Sentinel AND Coagulation which was pretty bad for him.

On April 06 2014 19:48 prplhz wrote:
If neither getmoript or gumshoe give me any out at all and lynch me on exlusively on associative reads I'm not even going to try. The idea that you have outed the entire scum team and that they all decided to vocally defend lynchbait prplhz is bad and if you think it's a good idea then I can't defend myself against it at all.

I think that getmoript is town over Cephiro because Cephiro is only putting in a bare minimum of effort, not in any way enough to make me think that he is town. At the same time I checked geript's and getmoript's filters from all his earlier games and he is simply too active for me to think that he is scum. Thus Cephiro over getmoript.

On April 06 2014 19:48 prplhz wrote:
If neither getmoript or gumshoe give me any out at all and lynch me on exlusively on associative reads I'm not even going to try. The idea that you have outed the entire scum team and that they all decided to vocally defend lynchbait prplhz is bad and if you think it's a good idea then I can't defend myself against it at all.

I think that getmoript is town over Cephiro because Cephiro is only putting in a bare minimum of effort, not in any way enough to make me think that he is town. At the same time I checked geript's and getmoript's filters from all his earlier games and he is simply too active for me to think that he is scum. Thus Cephiro over getmoript.

On April 07 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote:


I cannot really answer for Palmar because I am not Palmar. I cannot tell you why he did whatever because I do not know. So I'm not going to.

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You are saying

"If Palmar is scum and everybody thinks he is town, would he not just push scum agenda in his last post?"

And then you nitpick.

Palmar's entire last-reads-post can be found here and he says plenty of stuff. You keep saying that there's no way he'd not push scum agenda in that post so consequently his read on me was scum agenda and that makes me scum. But what about the rest of the post?

There's some stuff I'm sure you would also think is scum agenda (such as him calling you scum) but then he suddenly says:



What? It cannot possibly be scum agenda to post this because he is saying absolutely nothing and nothing isn't scum agenda. It no one's agenda. You are saying that he has no reason not to push scum agenda, but right here we can see he is not pushing scum agenda. This conclusively proves that Palmar wasn't solely pushing scum agenda in his last post, and you cannot say that everything he says in that post is to get townies lynched instead of townies.

If you just want whatever the fuck explanation for why a scum Palmar would say "Lynch Cephiro over prplhz and getmoript" when Cephiro is scum, then I can make one up for you. It was to look good so we didn't get suspicious of him being scum because he thought that if we started thinking he was scum maybe we could gleen something from his interactions with other people in this game. There, I don't know if that's what he was thinking, because he was scum and they purposely mislead people, but that could absolutely be what he was thinking.

It should be noted that Palmar wasn't in any way confirmed town at the time he made his last-reads-post. There were people pointing fingers at him and while a [UoN]Sentinel lynch would have put him in a very good position, one of the votes for [UoN]Sentinel was [UoN]Sentinel's own vote. He had no idea that [UoN]Sentinel wouldn't move it back or that someone else wouldn't move it back. At the point Palmar made this post, I think it would be very hard for him to predict how much the flip and the 30 minutes leading up to it would influence everybody's opinion on him. So he probably just made a middle-of-the-road-post in line with a lot of the things he had said already in the thread. The "he would be confirmed town and we would all heed his bidding so he posted scummy shit" argument is vastly exaggerated.

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Did it not worry me that Palmar was pushing Cephiro?

Yes, a bit. But then I remembered that I do not listen to scum because they're generally very untrustworthy. Instead, I read the game. And I arrived at the conclusion that I don't think that getmoript is scum (even though I could easily have continued that line as scum) but that Cephiro is. This isn't even a pressure vote, like the rest of the votes for Cephiro, I'm pretty sure he's scum over getmoript which is also why I am proposing me or Cephiro today and not so much focus on getmoript.

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As for raynpelikonoshi, I still think he was town. I don't know why I would think otherwise. I don't really know why he made this order and honestly, I don't think it matters a lot or that it points at anything. To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast.

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Do you actually have something that I did that point at me being scum? Or is everything pointing to me being scum something someone else (scum) did? And if every single scum in the game is incriminating someone (which you seem to believe), does that really point at that person being scum?

On April 07 2014 05:24 prplhz wrote:
@Steveling Can you explain it again in case I didn't understand, what happened at deadline and why am I scum for not understanding it?

One thing speaking against Palmar having a strong motivation for ending the game before d4 is that he didn't say anything about his teammates in cell4 and cell5. If he really really wanted the game to end before d4 then he could have said "Balla24 townies fucker on the planet" and "mderg confirmed town because of this and this post" and they could have used this town cred to bury this game.

Can you please provide some quotes where I say that I believe that Steveling is scum?

@Steveling

What is your current scumteam?

I never said Palmar was scummy, I said that he wasn't declared town by everybody, there was suspicion. No, there wasn't a single vote for him but both Holyflare and you were on his back and Coagulation and partially also [UoN]Sentinel were pretty good at soaking up the votes.

Not entirely sure what you're getting at here but "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" is just fucking dumb. You are seriously saying that raynpelikonoshi, Palmar and I sat in the scum QT and said "Man, we have to destroy gumshoe before d1 so lets all go get him" and that's completely ludicrous.

Dunno maybe I should really reconsider raynpelikonoshi.

Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment?

... so?

And also, how does this make me scum for not understanding it (which I still don't think I do)?

Yes.

And since they were both town Palmar didn't give a fuck and only did it to create chaos. He didn't predict that it would exonerate both [UoN]Sentinel AND Coagulation which was pretty bad for him.

looks like he is just posting what he thinks makes sense for him as a townie to post.

On April 07 2014 08:37 Steveling wrote:
Getript are playing downright bad all game long.
Funnily enough this is their only redeeming quality, this consistency in being bad.

Prplz on the other hand, suddenly during the lynching is jumping between sentinel-coag with no apparent reason.
Also he doesn't understand how what happened proves that palmar is scum.

On April 07 2014 10:19 prplhz wrote:
Scum team maverick?

Team tries to communicate with him in thread instead of in QT?

No further comments.

On April 04 2014 06:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

That's the reason we go second.