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I'm okay with going in on day 1 with my group. It's by far my best day anyway. | ||
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Also sentinel why do you think I'm unreadable? I'm like one of the most easy players on TL to read. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:16 prplhz wrote: you know, you can make reads on d1 even if you're not up for lynch on d1. Sure, but it feels a lot easier to just have to read two filters really. I like the attention. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote: This is dumb. Trading yourself for a lynch between 2. you got 48 hours to find 1 confirmed townie. 1 semi confirmed town. 1 scummy looking townie. in 1 groupd Yes but there's also the advantage that I don't really get lynched as town so we have a 50/50 shot of getting my group right. Btw does everyone in a group flip, or only the person lynched? | ||
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No, this is worse than the number picking part of pyp | ||
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So we just lose straight up if we mislynch the unreadable people twice and the first good player batch happens to be a good player batch with a strong mafia player? I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No it's not. I ahve already found 2 mafia. ~rayn Cool, tell me about it on thursday. What are you gonna do if slam becomes happy? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:47 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No the suggestion is we don't give a fuck about who is put up in any order yet and we scumhunt. At the end of this phase we put the order so that groups where there are very very likely to be found mafia get lynched first. So don't afk and scumhunt. ~rayn Ok yeah, that's a lot better idea. Can I be mayor? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:48 Alakaslam wrote: He still think I'm mafia? Why the heck? Maybe this will break the interperetation of happy? Counter him. Angry rayn = mafia, smiley rayn = mafia non-smiley reasonable rayn = town easiest read of my life. | ||
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Will start doing that tomorrow. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:53 gumshoe wrote: Thats completely wrong, I have played not one but two extremely aggressive games with scum Rayn, why do you feel the need to tell hurtful lies palmar ) : say what? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:57 gumshoe wrote: Care to revaluate your read Plam? He's outed scum now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll do one better. You only need to read Sentinel's filter and tell me if he is scum or town and why so i am pretty sure we won.  ~rayn Didn't read with context but it's pretty neutral at the moment. Nothing really alignment indicative | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote: Awesome you didn't leave Palmar can I take your order? yeah I'll have a goodburger | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:03 gumshoe wrote: Scum can choose any fuckin order they want if they think it's worth outing one of thier own, even if he puts himself on the bottom( thereby enabling a chance that he might not get lynched at all this game) I will gladly take that trade. If you're worried about this just make me mayor, already said I'd put myself first. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: The order of cells I mean + Show Spoiler + This is In-N-Out, we use a number system. 1, 2, or 3? All customizations are up to you. Feel free to ask for anything. Myself first, then whatever I feel like. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:06 Alakaslam wrote: All this is WIFOM till we have a confirmed town I don't think this setup produces confirmed townies. | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Well I'm back for a short while. I don't really know what to make of Palmar. He seems to have the apathetic mannerisms I remember him having, but the whole mayor thing doesn't seem like much of a tell one way or another. It doesn't make enough of a difference for town/scum to do something different. I'd really appreciate Coag coming back into this game so at least I can weigh the two side-by-side This is a really long winded way of saying "I have no clue". | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? This is the best post in the thread so far. On April 02 2014 12:24 gumshoe wrote: It all fits huh? I attacked Steveling at the start to bait you, Mderg went in to defend Steveling against me. Why would my scum buddy come in to disagree with me? Wouldnt mderg bieng scum implicate Steveling, not me? And why would I press him back? How does any of this fit? Do you think me and mderg are scum together? What was your bait supposed to accomplish gumshoe? Did you catch rayn? I Please explain what your bait accomplished gumshoe. I don't see the benefit. All I see is you making a bullshit post and mderg disgreeing with it in quit a natural manner. Also if mderg is scum it says nothing about Steveling's alignment. | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:38 Tehpoofter wrote: So I liked your point on mderg he seemed to make a really weird point that led me to believe he is scum and sentinal is town if thats the case. He wasn't willing to call sentinel scum off what he said but like wanted someone else to which is scummy. As for HF he has 2 posts that cause me worry. Then right after that. So to me he insinuates palmer is town cause of something geript said who he reads at scum then his very next post he makes it seem like palmer is not town at all. Now I think the 2nd post is probably more indicative of how HF feels because I can see the 1st one being more of a sarcastic off hand remark and more about geript than Palmer. However it is odd that back to back posts from him call Palmer two different alignments. HF also read my idea about the cell reads as stupid which is what rayn and balla both did and they seem town to me so I guess he should get town points for that. For me Mderg more scummy than HF. You just wrote a big post on HF to come to the conclusion Mderg is more likely to be scum. Now I think you're more likely to be scum. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:36 Tehpoofter wrote: @hydra rayn are you still reading slam as scum? This is my third game with him and he actually seems to be trying... at least "trying" more so than he has in other games. I find him unreadable as is being said and you seem to be doing your typical rayn town thing of going ham (why did you not do this in Dr. Who 2 grrrr) Like this post seems to be hes actually reading people: and these two posts he trying to extract game relevant info from palmer: He seems to be processing the game at least a little idk maybe I'm just noticing it more through the troll after playing a couple games with him but is this something you read as mafia slam? (His filter is still like 80% gibberish) These posts show nothing about his alignment. Do you think it's difficult for mafia to ask "what order do you want to put the groups in"? I can ask you that thing right now, am I then asking game relevant information and thus confirmed town? | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote: God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. Why do you think that, is this something I normally do as town? | ||
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On April 02 2014 18:47 Steveling wrote: Umm, page1 so far into raynkoshi's filter and I don't think I found anything weird. That getript has some weird posts. Some pretty neutral town posts so far. That post makes sense But I don't like how you jump on it, let's wait for some more posts from gum. I can't speak about your slam suspicions yet. And that's all I think? Pretty clear filter or I'm agreeing a lot with you, don't know which of the two. Probably a huge part of your filter is against getript so that's why. You asked me earlier for an opinion on mderg, I stated that on my gum filter. You asked my which of you the 2 of you I think is scum, honestly I'm not sure yet but the signs are there and are against gum. gumshoe has like a 4 page filter, what are you talking about. This observation by rayn is actually quite good, because it isn't a "meta" observation but rather a change in mindset. I think we should lynch gumshoe. | ||
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Are you the scum? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote: Can't argue with that. Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same? And what do you think about me? I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:05 Steveling wrote: Fairly obvious you didn't read a single post of the previous page. I read everything on the previous page. You made two posts of relevance, one coming to a non-conclusion about gumshoe, the other one about liking rayn's post but not liking him actually pushing an idea he had. How can you think it's scummy for rayn to push something he believes in? He might well be mafia, but if he is the reason is not that he's trying to kill gumshoe based on gumshoe randomly changing his mind. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:10 Steveling wrote: And what's the rush palmar, stick to your group, when the time comes we will see which player/players are most scummy, yes? You haven't provided a single read so far. My group is default at the moment. Sentinel hasn't said anything relevant to the game and Coag hasn't said anything period. Also, do you think it's more likely I'm mafia because I haven't provided many reads? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it.Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:16 Steveling wrote: Ok now Palmar is just fos'ing me cause I gave him scumpoints. Pls chill, palmar why don't you pick a cellmate of yours and filter him and post the results here? Contribute pls. Hang on, I'll be right back with your order! On April 02 2014 06:17 Coagulation wrote: hi -coag Alright, done. results: not enough data. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:18 Steveling wrote: Oh sry, it was just a ''you'' to ''of'', just a typo. I'm pretty sure this is the truth, so I don't think it matters. I think I saw the post unedited and I didn't notice much of a change. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:25 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Am i reading correctly that gumshoe's case on me is: 1) i lied to rayn in another game and he lynched me. he was mafia and because i do the same thing here he also must be mafia here 2) He does not consider Steveling mafia and he should because of probabilities ???? Well here are my answers: 1) Your heuristic is bad. If you do scummy stuff you are more likely to be scum. Some other game has nothing to do with this. You lied in a place where no townie should lie, it does not achieve anything and you clearye were not even trying to achieve anything. You can't just say "i must be town because i have done a similar thing in another game". If that was the case mafia would be an easy game to play as scum, just copy paste your posts from your townie games. 2) I should not. I know one of you two is mafia. If i am sure you are mafia i don't need to consider Steveling being mafia. I don't need to weigh any probabilities, if you are scum then you are scum and my read on Steveling has nothing to do with it. You can't brush off my case (which you btw didn't even answer) just because "Steveling hasn't talked". Steveling talking or not talking has nothing to do if you are mafia or not. ~rayn wait when did the bolded happen? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:46 Holyflare wrote: I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts. Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game? Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:54 Holyflare wrote: Like every post of his shows he's developed a thinking over time of who could be scum and why and pointing out things that don't add up. Now look at his posts this game, not really the same at all. There's 1 liners galore, policy posts that don't really add to anything and then the defence of another player based on nothing. I wouldn't be asking you for pointing out the posts you think indicate this unless I wanted you to actually point them out. Can you do that? Even if it's just one post with good insight that you consider good enough to verify your theory. Generic answers bad. | ||
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Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff. To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game. Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning? | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop wasting my time on obvious shit. Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation. Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies. You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote: I mention his post on you which is his first post in the game. It is also not a random game, it's the one lsb linked. Ok, maybe LSB found the game, but the point remains. Even his first post is like 24 hours into the game. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote: That's the point. Point out to me something that indicates a thought process is forming rather than him talking about policy or randomly defending Steve? Point out something in the other game within 12 hours of the game starting that indicates he's forming a thought process. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote: Holyflare still waiting for you to provide his meta filter parts that made you think he's a quality mafia player. I think he did that, but the problem is he's talking about shit that happened days into the game and using it to prove mderg is mafia in the first 3 hours of the game. It's bullshit. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote: I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote: I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game. And that post is 24 hours into the game. Your point? | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote: I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game. And it's not an assumption, the dates are literally there. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why? ~rayn No, but do explain. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why? ~rayn Oh I think I get it. No one else actually noticed the timing thing either, which means that either no one actually read the meta holy was referring to, or that it's a reasonable mistake to make as certainly not everyone piling on mderg is mafia. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote: Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game. It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything. I'm not talking about him I'm talking about you. If you meta'd him wrong there is a reason for that. I mean there is obviously the possibility that you just ignored the timestamps because you thought you had something, but there's also the possibility you didn't notice because you were just "confirming" something you had already decided upon, ie you weren't really reading the meta. But I don't know, I just realized that nobody else noticed either, so everyone is mafia if you're mafia for this. And I don't really use associative reads, we now know a bunch of people jumped your argument without considering it at all, some of them may be mafia. But it's not because they jumped mderg if they are, it's because of how they jumped mderg. And even if mderg flips mafia that doesn't clear anyone jumping him. | ||
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But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn I have no idea how much time he spent playing the game. But reading isn't the same as interactively responding and you know this. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight. I didn't like poofter's giant post on HF just to come back and say mderg is more likely scum. That's basically actively keeping options open which isn't really needed for town. But yes, if this is all mderg has to offer we lynch him. Doesn't make HF's meta any more valid, even if he flips mafia On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: In the meantime, what's your take on this: ???? ~rayn I don't really understand the first part of #1, the second part is a non-point because if you call that a contradiction no one can ever bring up the HF = bus/right thing and then disagree with him. It's actually really dumb to expect geript to consistently stay with that notion of holyflare and never question antyhing HF does because of it. You're pushing him to live up to what is probably a joke. #3 is actually a good point, and if there was a way of testing it that'd be great. ie if we could somehow interrogate only the Cav head without him being funneled answers from the geript head. But I don't think we can so whatever. #2 is just a meta read, and I'm not even sure I agree scum geript is passive, he was plenty mad at me in survivor. Like I don't know, if this is geript mafia he's not playing like he played in survivor. He was much more cowboy-ish and less interactive in that game than he is now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:10 gumshoe wrote: Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time. As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better. This is a completely invalid point because the same applies to townies too. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Palmar: On point #1: His reads change unnaturally. Also geript wanting to policy lynch Holyflare is 100% not a joke. On point #2: scum geript is more passive than town geript. Also see the context, it's me who he is talking to. He thinks i might be mafia!!! geript is not passive towards people he thinks are mafia, especially me, rofl. ~rayn I haven't read the exchange but even that sounds really dumb. If HF is always right or bussing wouldn't we be lynching his target and not HF himself? And since when has anyone ever been serious on a policy lynch like that? | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote: Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:58 gumshoe wrote: If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment? No the point is that my alignment is irrelevant here. No matter what my alignment is, once I think you're mafia, rayn by extension has to be town, and you're accusing me of being cozy with rayn. But I now realize your theory has us as scumbuddies in that case so whatever. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Holyflare wrote: I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote: Balla is very towny because he is questioning in every single right place, he sees something he doesn't like and he isn't afraid to point it out and go against the grain. Balla also won the Palmar "best post in the thread" award earlier on. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:11 gumshoe wrote: Idle commentary on shitty town atmosphere, scums favourite flavour of conversation XD Do you believe this? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:35 gumshoe wrote: 0_0 can you explain to me why this makes you town? Because it means I'm actually reading the thread, and that I care about the cases being made? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:37 gumshoe wrote: Why are scum not capable of that? Especially if said scum is one of the best players on tl. Go read my last two games and see how well your theory holds up hurr durr | ||
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So as I already asked you, what is the result of your bait? You baited rayn and he didn't take it, you said the results were inconclusive but he's mafia anyway? I'm not entirely sure what the narrative is here, but for it to work you have to demonstrate where rayn does something that is scummy. Like the problem with baits is that for the most part people responding to them should be considered town reads, because townies are the ones who like to jump shit. Like your defense against the first point in his case is that the bait is not over, which means the point is legit as rayn has no idea if the defense is not over. why is rayn not town then? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: meh, I stick to my read on Palmar but yeah I agree that he is likely town. + Show Spoiler + Happy Palmar? Content I'll be happy if I get to be mayor | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote: Make someone scummy mayor for lulz No I want it, it's a fitting title | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. Also this guy might actually be the mafia in their group. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote: Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD Why though? Ok here's something. Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt. Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No no, town!gumshoe follows his own logic. I don't care if people use bad logic, that's something that's not necessarily scummy. Not following his own logic and making logical inconsistancies is scummy. That is what mafia!gumshoe does, especially when he is taken away from his comfort zone. Remember mini PYP? gumshoe made an argument on me. When people pointed out what was wrong in his argument he didn't explain his logic, instead he made a new argument. That's what he is doing here. He is just making new arguments hoping the old ones are forgotten. ~rayn You may not have noticed but I didn't really read PYP | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote: Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here. I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me. Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion. The bolded is the important part. If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread. screw it, you have to be scum. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:28 gumshoe wrote: Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / : Again what's your point. Isn't town rayn also sharp and ready to jump inconsistencies? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:29 gumshoe wrote: Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot. If I wanted to present you with a fucking idiot I'd hand you a mirror | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:25 prplhz wrote: i mean unless you're afraid of the spaghetti monster or the mafia police then i don't see why you didn't just do it and if you are afraid of those indubitably real entities then it's actually an argument you should be able to understand Please don't do it Steveling. It's entirely possible swearing on your life breaks either the townie seal rule (the townie seal is basically a promise you're town) or the no bets rule (big stakes, your life )So yeah. | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:32 prplhz wrote: remember when ace got modkilled and banned for betting $500 that he was town? I liked that He replaced into the game, tunneled me for a day and half, and when I started calling him mafia he got himself modelled. He was town. Mafia proceeded to do a hilarious mass switch (like 10 mafia players outed themselves to get me killed, the funny part is that like 2 random townies also joined in on the unexplained last minute switch). | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:38 prplhz wrote: so palmar did your read on gum change? No, not really. But there is and has always been a chance he's insane and town. I've mentioned it a few times. Tbh now I kinda just wanna lynch gumshoe for being an asshole regardless of alignment. | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:50 Steveling wrote: Actually I want to quit. But I'm a dota player, I'll bm you before I go and I'll even try to win this game despite your best efforts. Also it's halftime now on my game, xD. You're not quitting. Which one of the other two do you think is mafia and why? | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Steveling. Your behavior suggests it's impossible i am lying and mafia. If i am mafia i can use any bullshit reason to vote/not vote anyone i want. I can say "i refuse to vote Alakaslam in this game because he hasn't posted for 2 minutes, i refuse to believe he is scum for that" if i want to. Why are you not considering the possibility of me being mafia and just lying? ~rayn This is probably the case, but I'm now officially rooting for Steve so I'm going to give him every opportunity to explain himself. | ||
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On April 03 2014 17:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Also @ Palmer how do you feel about Prplhz? Do you read slam at all? If so whats your read on him? He said something yesterday that caused me to think "man this is townhaze", but I can't remember what. He wasn't very active during the time I was active at. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:38 prplhz wrote: so after reading through the game you have absolutely no idea where to start filtering and instead you just filter whoever arbitrarily shows up? Here is the post I'm referring to. It's a great observation, especially since I think Steve had just mentioned earlier that he was going to focus on his own group, then started randomly asking people for who to read up on. | ||
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On April 03 2014 18:56 prplhz wrote: @palmar who you voting for mayor? I wanted to be mayor myself, but probably rayn. | ||
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On April 03 2014 19:15 Steveling wrote: Palmar don't you find their reason for turning away from gum suspicious after they themselves had some solid points against? You do realise that even now I could swear as well to force them to back off? This is retarded. That's the entire point dude. Give me one reason scumrayn would spend all this time creating a logical and strong wagon on gumshoe just to abandon it on a whim. If he's mafia what is the benefit of stopping tunneling gumshoe? | ||
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On April 03 2014 19:16 Steveling wrote: Also, don't you find their obsession with getript strange? I responded to some points about geript earlier, but as I said I haven't really caught up on the pages that happened after I left yesterday. | ||
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There was no need for him to flop his read, he could _easily_ ignore the swearing stuff. He didn't. The simple explanation is rayn is town. I like simple explanations. | ||
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On April 03 2014 19:41 Steveling wrote: I see you almost like illogical explanations. Or rather no explanations at all. Not the point. Yes it's illogical and dumb. I didn't even notice at the time and I would never have changed my mind on that. But it's not the validity of the explanation that matters, it's the act rayn takes based on it. Townies can be townies for doing dumb shit when that dumb shit makes no sense to do as mafia. | ||
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On April 03 2014 19:50 Steveling wrote: It seems you have double standards here. I explained my reasoning, you admitted it is weak but it's logical. Then you say that rayn has no logical train of thought at all yet you side with him. That's because when illogical things happen the logical conclusion isn't always the right one. You're focusing on the wrong thing, and probably because you're mafia. Sucks if you are and I'd be really mad if I was you. | ||
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On April 03 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote: Ours so i can play catastrophe without caring about this game :D. This is a strong incentive for me to | ||
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On April 03 2014 21:08 Holyflare wrote: Lbs or kg? No one on TL can bench 240kg, that's serious serious shit. I'm assuming lbs, but even 240 lbs is quite a bit. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote: Slightly more towny yes, he seems more convicted but that would make poofter scum and he's been pointing out good things imo Mderg hasn't considered poofter as scum over me from what I've seen him posting and mderg mentions things that he has never commented on in the entire game. I.e. His own wagon which he didn't comment on when he returned to the thread. Which would be the first thing i mention if i had a wagon on me Or you | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote: Slightly more towny yes, he seems more convicted but that would make poofter scum and he's been pointing out good things imo Mderg hasn't considered poofter as scum over me from what I've seen him posting and mderg mentions things that he has never commented on in the entire game. I.e. His own wagon which he didn't comment on when he returned to the thread. Which would be the first thing i mention if i had a wagon on me This is interesting because you seem to have given the chance of poof being scum almost no consideration either. I skimmed your filter and almost all your posts about poofter are you encouraging him to agree with you on mdario. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:22 Holyflare wrote: Yes because i considered it in my mind and then read his posts on people like prpl etc and thought it was good that he was finding things like that. Whereas mder has said nothing other than defences on people that shouldn't have town defences like steve and gumshoe when he was under attack etc Do you think Steve is mafia, do you think he'll get lynched tomorrow? | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:25 Holyflare wrote: The fuck is this? If steve is red gumshoe should be green and of poof/mderg are red then i should be green? pay attention, it's his scumreads from each bracket, and because he has no idea if it's sentinel or coag in mine he just painted me green. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:27 Holyflare wrote: Yes i think steve is mafia for his cheating reaction But do you think he'll get lynched tomorrow if rayn is chosen mayor? | ||
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You're mafia. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Makes sense. But i think mderg is not likely scum, or poofer is more. Noone makes 100 word posts when all he wants to say is "what's this shit on last 20 pages. useless." also it was not useless. I am maybe leaning Sentinel being scum over Coag. Sentinel made all-over-nothing posts on our group and wasted a lot of time and didn't come to any conclusion. ~rayn Don't even care. Yes sentinel's posts have been completely lacking in content but if Coag is going to play like this I'm lynching him anyway. He's perfectly capable of being reasonable if he's town. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:49 Steveling wrote: Well, both of you holyflare and palmar asked me to not ragequit but you are ignoring my read on ryan. When you believe him over me after what he did I can't really do much more. I'm not ignoring it, I told you why I think rayn is basically confirmed town. You don't agree. Possibly because you don't agree, possibly because you can't agree, but I'm not ignoring you. | ||
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Like my main reservations about this lynch is that you might actually be town and gumshoe is mafia. I'm not lynching rayn. | ||
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On April 04 2014 00:04 Steveling wrote: I said this when ryankoshi made their case against gumshoe. Many of his seemingly antitown plays can be attributed to his usual playing style. Since I played with him a game before I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Then again ryan made some a couple good points against him but still I can't ignore the complete randomness of ryankoshi, their 180 on gum had to be scumplay, can't explain it otherwise. That's what you're not getting, it doesn't have to be scumplay. In fact it cannot be explained as scumplay. You're vastly underestimating the pull people like me, rayn and HF have in a thread. Like Slam saying something is not the same thing as rayn saying something, you can't just count players who said "this guy is town" and assume that's thread sentiment. If me and rayn agree on a lynch, that guy is generally going to be lynched, no matter what geript or someone else has to say about it. | ||
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On April 04 2014 00:21 Holyflare wrote: I bet my life i am town. Can we please not do this. | ||
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On April 04 2014 00:23 Steveling wrote: Not like you said anything of substance so far Palmar. How come you and holyflare are not making any progress and ryan is incomprehensible? Look. I've decided rayn is town. I'm not going to lynch rayn. I'm confident in this read. This means you're mafia or gumshoe is mafia or I'm awful. I think the third option is the least likely. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:41 gumshoe wrote: Honestly, it's not the fact that you were mad thats dumb, it's the fact of who you were mad AT. Like, you should KNOW I'm scum the moment Rayn flips on you and yet you attack him for bieng dumb instead of getting pissed at me for doing something cheap. I also dont like how you present it as cheating, is it cheating if I'm scum? No, 100 times no, it is a lie and one that is available it's only cheating if I'm town. Yet you assert thats exactly what it is... How is this true? Why should he know that? Steve doesn't understand for some reason why the flip makes rayn almost guaranteed town but if we accept that his train of thought about "rayn used terrible logic to clear gumshoe, thus rayn must be mafia" is what he's thinking, there is no reason he should know you're mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:49 gumshoe wrote: Also Palmer is what I did cheating if I'm scum? The host has made his decision and I already said what I thought of it. Your alignment is irrelevant here. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:55 gumshoe wrote: I didnt ask that, I asked if I am scum am I not allowed to tell any lie I please? Isnt that what I am supposed to do? I'm not discussing it now. please drop it. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:02 prplhz wrote: this is clearly my group and not getmoript's group More like alphahaze. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:06 gumshoe wrote: I will ask anything I want, you can choose to ignore it if you like but just because you and plamar conveniently dont want to talk about doesn't mean it's going to disappear from the thread. I don't care if you keep pushing this bullshit I'm policy voting you. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote: Steve is modconfirmed town and if you try and lynch him you are dumb. explain? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote: He said something along the lines of "sorry mod" which means he got pmd by mods to stop talking about cheating and he said sorry in thread instead of qt where he would have been told Yeah this is equally dumb as the swearing thing. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:16 gumshoe wrote: You were not the most green player, you were the most green player to US because at the time me and Rayn were fixed on the other being mafia. Town considered Rayn the greenest by far because they did not have our cells enhanced tunnel vision. No one but me ever called Rayn scum, so I dont see your point here ) : also even if you were right, I'm not entirely sure what that proves, can you elaborate? How sure are you that Geript is town? Do you think prp is scum? Would ceph lurk as long as he did as scum? That's kind of not true. I'm pretty sure geript was on rayn's ass by then. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:26 gumshoe wrote: How does fucking up make me scum? Arent you supposed to be good at this game? I did not say that was the reason I think you may be mafia I am pretty good at mafia, not great but pretty good yeah. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:12 getmoript wrote: I'm very tempted to vote you for mayor just for saying this. Oh Great Palmar. Please explain to dumb little me why you think it's scumshoe here. I really don't get it. I'm not sure. Like gumshoe's entire read on rayn is based on whether or not rayn is willing to change his mind on gumshoe or not. That's it. I sort of get it, but there has to exist a world where rayn misreads town gumshoe and is not mafia for it. Instead it's a black and white "100% scum if you call me scum, otherwise you're town". It just feels like an unnatural read, but I need to read gumshoe better after the rayn thing to be sure. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:58 Tehpoofter wrote: So.... 1) Wtf with drunk rayn that was.... something and now puts us in a shit spot with them going third. We need to get both these ones right (at least 1) or that day is going to be really really weird. Geript were you right about rayn? 2) Sorry I didn't vote I thoguht I voted before bed but I'm bad and missed it I will vote today... starting that off now... ## Vote: Coagulation Palmer has seemed town to me with his posting regarding cell 3 shit fest yesterday, Sentinal Is a bit lesser of a town read I have liked most of his posts except the one where he was talking to me where he was making some points that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I'd like to have a dialog with you sent if you're around. Also to those who know Coag does he typically give up like this if hes town? yes. | ||
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On April 04 2014 09:17 getmoript wrote: As for today I really don't know. I need to sort out the Rayn thing. I don't get why he's mad at gumshoe. Maybe the swearing thing. Really no clue right now My guess is Coag if he doesn't at least help us with his pod. I'm really just not understanding what Rayn's doing with any of those posts. You can't read anything into rayn's posting so don't try. | ||
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On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / : I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn. ##Vote: Coagulation Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows. Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T. red: based on what? You haven't even mentioned sentinel except for once when you called him resoundingly null. Since then he became super town? blue: That's an associative read, not to mention you've given yourself the parameters that make me mafia before actually going and looking at what I've said. | ||
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On April 04 2014 12:55 Coagulation wrote: wat a fucking joke. yeah ok guys if everyone placeholders a vote on coag its really a coag lynch and u guys are being cowards about it. Coag you haven't given me a single reason to actually think you're town. If you are town how about you start playing the game so we can actually get a feel for what you're thinking and why. | ||
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On April 04 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote: I mean what happened not your question, lol. rayn got drunk, it was hilarious. | ||
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On April 04 2014 18:33 Coagulation wrote: First of all, let me apologize for not being involved with this game at all. But that is part of the beauty of a hydra. Except also it's really annoying playing a hydra and a non hydra game on at the same time. I literally don't know my password for anything anymore, and my browser is not saving them for some reason! I have to try like 5 passwords every time i want to log in anywhere. Anyway why the fuck are you voting coag? I read our filter and he is basically the towniest I have ever seen him. LOOK AT THIS GEM There is more scumhunting concentrated in that sentence than in palmar's entire filter probably. Also what the fuck is a cell? Feel free to play the game Kush. You know I'm going to lynch you if you don't. I know you hate doing this but if you want to not get lynched you need to put in effort. | ||
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On April 04 2014 20:30 Coagulation wrote: I really don't understand the purpose of this post. Is it not completely obvious to you by now that neither coag nor I give a fuck? Your petty threats are meaningless to us. That's your problem then. I don't care whether or not you give a fuck. I'm not going to let you not play the game and somehow justify giving you guys a pass on that. If you're town, fuck you. | ||
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On April 04 2014 21:45 Holyflare wrote: well they make perfect sense seeing as 1 of the players is modconfirmed and the other one is modkilled and... oh wait yeh rayn CLAIMED SCUM ~_~_~_~_~_~_~_ He also claimed town Holyflare. | ||
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But no that's not what I'm asking about. You said he'd been useless and nitpicking all game, can you provide some examples or at least explain when you believe holyflare has been doing this? | ||
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On April 04 2014 23:45 Coagulation wrote: and here he is trying to make it seem like not giving a shit makes him town. well stones, glass houses. But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game. Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position. | ||
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On April 04 2014 23:51 Holyflare wrote: If you think I'm mafia over mderg who called the player everyone was scum reading town out of the blue or poofter who straight up afk'd this game i don't know what to think. You can call me scum i don't really care but my cell isn't up for lynch for a while. So get on with the game. What's the benefit for mafia mderg defending steveling there? Especially seeing as Steve might be mafia. And it's not like anyone is going to give mderg townpoints for being right if steve is town. | ||
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On April 04 2014 23:53 Holyflare wrote: This is also 1000% a lie because i was the only persob who did mention mdergs return. It was crazy suspiciois because he made 0 mention of the wagon on himself and instead talked about how gumshoe was null and steve was town and nothing else. He then later mentions scum was on his wagon without mentioning his wagon at any point previously and we know rayn was on it sooooooo Yes but if your entire early case was based on him not doing anything useful, I just don't feel like you gave him a clean slate to start with when he came back to the thread, when you should have done that if you actually believed your own case. I know you mentioned him. | ||
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On April 04 2014 23:55 Coagulation wrote: palmar this is why i was resistant to expanding on my scumread. it helps the scum fix their mistakes and try harder. It makes them more confident because they have less to lose (already being under suspicion). And we cant lynch him anyway for like a year so that was totally pointless. I am out of the game after today. When I am out of the game I want people to know what I think and why I think it. So no, it's not pointless to talk about future cells. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why wouldn't Steve have a definite red target in his own cell? Why do you think it's unreasonable for steve not to be sure of the people in his cell, when at the time you had literally nothing on the people in your cell? | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:13 Holyflare wrote: I did give him a clean slate until he started mentioning things that went against everything that was happening and was super counterintuitive and when he started mentioning information he couldn't possible know about. Which becomes more evident with rayn being scum. rayn doesn't have to be scum. Seriously why are you even playing this game, you're just assuming some random bullshit to be true. Steve is "modconfirmed" for saying "sorry mods" in the thread. And rayn claims scum and then town and thus he's mafia. | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:42 Holyflare wrote: kush said he hadn't even read the game yet starts quoting things from the game as to why i'm scum, i'm pretty sure that would be an obvious thing to realise palmar In order to quote the things he has to go back and find them and thus read them. I don't think he's read the entire game I think he's read your filter. | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:45 Steveling wrote: Shall I take an oath? lmao Anyway, stick to the points pls and argue if you want. Also don't rustle your jimmies, to my eyes you look like a white angel compared to sentinel and I haven't even touch on coag yet. I don't care whether or not you want to vote me, I care that your case is fundamentally wrong, and I want to know why it's wrong. How can you say me calling HF is out of the blue, or that I agree fast with Coag, when half of your case is dedicated to talking about how I've been suspicious of HF throughout the game, all the way since his meta stuff which you even say is correct, which implies you actualy read it. Like I can understand not reading the game, but did you even read your own case? | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: I don't think I made a mistake Palmar but I'm now reading my post again. I'll apologise if I did. Gumshoe hi, speak pls, we need more opinions. You acknowledge that I spent a lot of time talking to and about holyflare, and then you say my read on him comes out of the blue. Then you say you're surprised I'm agreeing with coag fast, when you should know, having written the first part of your case that I already agreed on that, prior to coag saying anything about it. | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote: im not mad, it's just silly you'd agree with stuff he's raised when he hasn't even read it! I agreed with his read on you, not with his particular arguments. Go look at steve's case to see why I think you are mafia. | ||
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ceph coag or sent (probably sent tbh) slam maaaybe lsb And I have no idea and don't care. probably steve. | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote: just gonna lynch palmar today You do that. | ||
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Geript is a much harder case, but for the most part he doesn't look like scumript. I always call him out as mafia on day 1 when he is mafia, and I actually thought rayn's tunnel on him was wrong, I pointed out some flaws in rayn's case here: On April 02 2014 22:08 Palmar wrote: I didn't like poofter's giant post on HF just to come back and say mderg is more likely scum. That's basically actively keeping options open which isn't really needed for town. But yes, if this is all mderg has to offer we lynch him. Doesn't make HF's meta any more valid, even if he flips mafia I don't really understand the first part of #1, the second part is a non-point because if you call that a contradiction no one can ever bring up the HF = bus/right thing and then disagree with him. It's actually really dumb to expect geript to consistently stay with that notion of holyflare and never question antyhing HF does because of it. You're pushing him to live up to what is probably a joke. #3 is actually a good point, and if there was a way of testing it that'd be great. ie if we could somehow interrogate only the Cav head without him being funneled answers from the geript head. But I don't think we can so whatever. #2 is just a meta read, and I'm not even sure I agree scum geript is passive, he was plenty mad at me in survivor. Like I don't know, if this is geript mafia he's not playing like he played in survivor. He was much more cowboy-ish and less interactive in that game than he is now. | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:51 gumshoe wrote: Palmar is loath to admit that what Rayn did makes him scum, because it is much easier to argue that point than it is to convince us that he is not also scum if Rayn is in fact red / : They were likely willing to buddy up so closely after a certain point because they realized that neither of them were going flip, so long as something crazy didn't happen....... ##Vote Palmar Shut the fuck up you dumb piece of shit. | ||
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No one is this dumb. | ||
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conclude someone entirely different is mafia. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:01 gumshoe wrote: Virtually everyone here agrees that what rayn did makes him scummy. Kinda funny how things have turned around no? Just a few days ago our positions were reversed XD not fun fighting the whole thread is it? How long till your scum buddy's smell the blood in the water and come for you as well ya think? You were under suspicion for something you did. You and HF are trying to pusht he idea that I should be under suspicion for something rayn did. There is a difference and it makes you mafia. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:07 gumshoe wrote: Take note, this is the angriest reaction from palmar I have ever seen. I think what I've said is fairly reasonable / : and well mannered as well. So why an outburst this bad? Why does my opinion ( which he doesn't really seem to value) get him this angry? 2 things are at work. He blames me for what rayn did, the game was thiers before I did something cheap / : so he can't help but be angry at me. palmar responds more coolly to accusations as town than a lot of players on tl in my opinion XD Yet he's furious here, which brings me to the second factor, which is that I have hit the nail on the head XD and he can't stand it. No, because you're exploiting an unflipped player whose alignment we don't know to talk about me. So I get mad, because this is in the same bullshit league as the betting on your life thing apparently not being a bet, or it being okay to ask geript to post his hydra qt. But I guess it's what you have to do, you're mafia and you do whatever you can to win. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:14 Coagulation wrote: i was talking out of my ass before. Just read his filter and he looks scummy. You think palmar is the scum, right? Do you have good reasons? No he thinks I'm town but wants to lynch me for thinking he's scum I think. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:15 gumshoe wrote: If I do so I am assuming rayn is scum, just so you know, because I have made arguments as to why his claim is believeable le and that is my stance. This is a game built around associations and your asking me not to take into account a scum claim 0-0 Only if you also assume that you can possibly be wrong that rayn is mafia. Rayn is not flipped mafia, so you have to read my filter from the perspective that rayn is an unflipped guy who you think is mafia. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:20 gumshoe wrote: Glad to see you've calmed down : D I don't read his interactions with sent and coag as scum on scum. He presents sent as possibly scummy, and coag as possibly townie so that when coag flips, everyone calls sent scum. Not you. He also chose not to read into you ( until it was convenient for him ) until your team mates talked, despite the fact that he had no issue calling me or Geript scum before Steve or cephiro talked. The motive is that he used the asks as an excuse to not talk about his scum buddies. Only once I started going after actives did he defend you. Still talking abour rayn Talk about me, I know it really hurts your case, but even if you're mafia you can at least try to be not an asshole. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:22 gumshoe wrote: Loll, no your doing what scum have been doing all game. Calling my arguments bullshit in an organized manner without attacking the arguments. Scum rayn and palmar have offered one off " gumshoe doesn't make sense therefore he's mafia " all game, why wouldn't you? It worked for a good long while. This is like not what happened at all. You "baited" rayn, and then contradicted yourself (and claim to have done it intentionally, as some sort of level 2 bait?) Rayn called you out on it, and your response for him calling your mafia for acting like mafia which is exactly what a townie would do is to call him mafia. "Fuck you rayn, you're acting like a townie, I guess you're mafia." - gumshoe 2014 | ||
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genius. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:26 gumshoe wrote: The scum claim makes sense, the town claim after makes sense if he realizes in his drunken stupor that he fucked up. His anger implies he's scum as well. The two don't contradict each other as much as scum would like us to think He's still just as much drunk later. You're assuming shit. Go read _my_ filter buddy. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:28 gumshoe wrote: Ah yes, the scum spin XD I can only assume rayn felt he had to call me town, similar to how he had to call me scum gsl. I personally wouldn't have done it but a lynch on Steve still served his purpose fine I suppose. If we assume rayn is mafia, he had the entire town woven around his finger tunneling you, including me who is probably the second loudest townie here after rayn. There is literally no reason for scumrayn to stop calling you mafia. He had you exactly where he wanted you. | ||
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don't just throw around random shit terms and pretend they actually mean something, you have to explain. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:30 Steveling wrote: Personally, I think rayn made some damn good points but only when he wanted. The oath thing and the drunk thing can't really be taken as protown play. No matter how you see it. Gumshoe again is making stuff up as you said. If you read mine and gumshoes filter you will notice gumshoe made stuff again yesterday when he jumped on me, multiple people pointed that out. He's doing the same thing now. Both cases have something in common, he jumps, making stuff up, on the easiest at the time victim, me yesterday, palmar now. I made my view on palmar earlier, I'm not claiming his green, I'm saying gumshoe acts suspiciously all game long. But I still haven't dived coag, I need to do that asap. It's not pro-town play, it's shit play by rayn, but the point is that it maks no sense to do as mafia, hence rayn was town. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:54 gumshoe wrote: Anyways, I gotta go for a bit, when I come back I'll try to throw a direct case on Plam together. gl getting the wool out of your eyes town : D translation "gotta go for a bit, I'm going to read palmar's filter for evidence that supports the conclusion I have already reached." | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:46 Steveling wrote: So coag get's a mental-level-CRAZY diagnosis paper and is free to do and say what he wants? Anyway, I see some new posts I have to address along with yours gum. pretty much. Coag and Kush both. Which is why they get lynched all the time, they're awful. | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:03 gumshoe wrote: It is totally calculated Sent. 10000 PERCENT I am doing everything I can possibly imagine to get Palmer lynched. I am appealing to emotion, to reason, to ego. Because I want to lynch scum and I want to know if I was right. By everything you mean everything except call me mafia for anything I have posted myself. Hell, you haven't even considered the possibility that if rayn is mafia he might simply have been calling me town because he knows I tend to lynch people that call me scum. But that would obviously not fit your agenda, so let's just disregard it! | ||
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I don't know honestly. I hated his early game, most of his early posts are just complete fluff, but I like his latest post on scumshoe! | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:11 getmoript wrote: How bout this. You say you're totes convinced by my case. Vote Sent. Then if town loses you can blame everything on me having a total shit read and you needing to play Catastrophe. But I'm not actually playing catastrophe, I'm kind of just there. And I want to get this one right, I'm out after a day anyway so the least I can do is make sure I get my bracket right. | ||
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Yes, sent might be getting a really easy win here, but what can I do? If kush/coag are scum I'm not going to convince myself not to vote them unless there is an actual reason to do so. Like there is no justification not to lynch them. | ||
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I hope most of us can be around tonight. | ||
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On April 05 2014 21:03 getmoript wrote: Video mafia for me likely. I might be down for video mafia tonight. | ||
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On April 06 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote: gumshoe bullshitting at 120% gotta admit, he at least gets a massive amount of style points. | ||
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Sentinel seems to have no interest in returning to the thread, no one is batting an eye at lynching coag. ##Unvote ##Vote Sentinel If you're mafia coag I am policy lynching you every game. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:07 gumshoe wrote: If coag was scum, do you think his team would defend him holy? Palmar? Palmar you said you wouldn't wifom yourself, isn't that what your doing right now? Yes it is. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I was at work you fucks. getmoript is going after me because I can think of counterarguments HF is going after me for causa incognita Coag is going after me because feels like it You have made 2 posts today. And now you show up? | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yes. That's how being asleep and then being at work works. But would you even have shown up if people weren't voting you? That's what I'm struggling with. | ||
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Please share them sooner rather than later. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:15 LSB wrote: Activity being alignment indicative is a horrible idea. Though of course I'm the one saying this. That's not the point. No matter his activity, he surely has considered that he should leave at least a list of what he thinks about the game if he's town. And I waited the entire day for him to step in. Like it's just too convenient that minutes after people start voting him, he shows up. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:18 gumshoe wrote: Again, this is coag, I would not stick my neck out for him under and circumstance as scum. Rayn wanted this lynch as far away from him as possible which also hints that coag is scum, sent has no reason to hesitate on this lynch, he gets to choose between you and coag o-o I dare say that is the easiest choice anyone is going to make this game so he's not overtly scummy for not hesitating. This is a bad call ) : I don't listen to arguments that assume rayn was mafia. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:23 prplhz wrote: sentinel getript and ceph same cell? rofl | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:30 prplhz wrote: hey palmar can you just post whatever you see whatever I see? | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Maybe I was wrong about gumshoe, but it's nice seeing people's justifications for hammering me. Time to make my predictions Steveling Holyflare Palmar LSB prplhz Sheep me harder Steve/HF/hazy There is nothing I can do at this point and there is nothing I can do to find the scum in Cell 3. The towniest thing I can do is confirm myself as town and justify my reads. I don't want to lose by one vote and look scummy as fuck. That will be the true scum victory. ##unvote ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel MAKE IT HAPPEN If I am mafia why don't I just shut the fuck up and take the coag lynch everyone was on cruise control towards. Kinda like you were doing. Thank you at least, for confirming this. | ||
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prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. I think rayn was town. Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. So gumshoe is mafia I honestly have no idea about slam and LSB. Balla looked somewhat townie early on but I'm not even sure he's playing the game anymore which is uncharacteristic of him. This group is really null to me. I've not spent nearly enough time on the people in this group really, they're all very low volume posters. There's something wrong with HF this game. He made a terrible meta-case on mderg out of nothing, then tried to argue the meta wasn't the point, when he earlier was pushing people to read the meta to get them to agree with him. He seems to never have given mderg a fair shot at being town. However if sent is indeed mafia he was also the first guy to move the vote from coag. If HF is town, the mderg stuff may be legit, but poof has also basically checked out of the game, so I don't really know who to lynch in that group. You'll have more information as people start flipping. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote: Pls provide reads. Only a scum wouldn't provide reads I think. But wait, why did sentinel do that then, fuck me. sentinel's reads are bullshit, his first batch had 2 people from the same group as mafia, he doesn't even give a fuck about this game. The next batch he called me mafia for whatever reason. | ||
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Also remember that with more information my reads become outdated, I don't pretend to be able to solve the game on day 1. | ||
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That's not even close to what I'm doing. I'm arguing that because your argument can be proven to be false, that you must be full of shit. In fact, this even supports the idea that you really had no intention of returning to the thread or providing us with any kind of reads because a mistake like this cannot possibly exist when you've actually given your reads any kind of thought. I am assuming because you are full of shit you must be mafia. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:54 gumshoe wrote: I always make sense, I just think on another level : P people, look around you, the activity skyrocketed the moment holy switched. This a sloppy train from scum. Don't fall for it. The reason he's being killed is because I decided he should be killed. Mafia has nothing to do with it. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:59 gumshoe wrote: Didnt you call Holy scum? Isnt he the one who started all this? Why you lie bro, also why you so blind to the flurry of red ribbons all around, dont know what to say (mderg, prplz, lsb, ect) Nice to see you're not reading the thread. Continue. | ||
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Also thanks to honorary mafia team member scumshoe  I'm really sorry about raging at you gumshoe, there's an explanation of why I got so mad in the scum QT if you want to read it. I apologize for it dude. | ||
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prplhz you got lynched because I don't know, but you were even better at looking town in default suspicion. However you were quite town, and remember half the scumteam was on you too. Loads of mafia in this setup so it just takes a few townies being wrong if mafia is willing to stack. | ||
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And yes Koshi, when you hydra with rayn, you ARE rayn. He's such a spammer | ||
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