Cell Mini Mafia - Page 8

On April 06 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:


And everyone else had super tight reads? It was a desperate final struggle, where he worked against himself XD. Also, if he was scum, he was saved by 1 vote(also his vote was on him...)... you think rayn was town right? So 4 scum were already on the coag wagon? Or left him out to dry on that close a lynch? Cmon geript, its easier to believe one dude was incompetent town rather than a whole scum team was playing things that loose.

Most likely possibility is that the scum had total freedom this lynch, because it was a vote between 2 townies / : which is why so many scummy people (mdern, prplz(OH SNAP)) were apathetic : D.

On April 06 2014 10:04 Alakaslam wrote:
Well

I don't think CEPHIRO is scum at all

Getmoript is unlikely but possible scum.

I am pretty sure purplhrz is scum

So

##Vote: prplhz

On April 06 2014 10:07 getmoript wrote:

Palmer is dead. Rayn is effectively dead. Your vote belongs to me or else you're scum.

On April 06 2014 11:35 Holyflare wrote:
You realise a hydra is to fucking talk among yourselves im a qt and then post your thoughts as one? Please stop this useless contradictory crap.

Rayn and palmar are both scum.

On April 07 2014 05:16 Steveling wrote:
Why is he confirmed town?

On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:


I personally think the mayor matters quite a bit. Both whom is chosen and what that mayor's choices are.
In general I think the best play is to either vote a strong townread the mayor (to ensure we will gain the order we want), or then go for a player that we are in general unsure about to possibly gain information, depending on if they'll follow the requests of the majority of townspeople or go against it.



I am a bit curious about the logic behind this. Does this mean you are confident that we will be able to find out the suspected strong scum players if given enough time, rather than enable the mafia to control the town even better? I also don't think ranking players at this point in the game for their potential threats is necessarily the best way to go about it, when there is still plenty of discussion ahead which may actually get us somewhere, rather than go about it guesstimating. How I see it is if we are certain to have found scum in a cell, we should lynch that cell early on.



As was pointed out short after, this is not a very good idea. After we've had a mayor decide the order however, pretty much all attention should be on the cell that is being lynched, playing the game a match at a time and then using the information from the previous rounds to our advantage in the following ones.

General note: Not liking the people who are talking about which order we should lynch the cells in at the start of the game, such as Sentinel.

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The slight contradiction in the above post got pointed out well, but what it made me rethink was my earlier comment about concentrating on the cell up at a time. I still do mostly agree with that notion, but the players that are in the lynched cell should provide their analysis on others before dying off, as it could give us crucial information to continue with.

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Fairly interesting post by LSB, his first post with a clear agenda. While I personally like the idea of being able to cut off the inactives players to start with, once the initial order is decided it cannot be changed. I don't think that the first 48 hours will necessarily tell us enough as for the players activities, and if we have lynch targets for reasons other than inactivity, we should go for those first in my opinion.



I don't really understand the bolded. Lynching into a cell which has almost no interaction with players outside of it, how will that help us find remaining scum or town? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to keep inactives around till endgame, but I don't understand prplhz logic here. How does lynching unreadables -> information about remaining townies? Is there something obvious that I'm missing or is there simply no sense in this follow-up?


+ townie points for rayn for being the first one to bring this up.


I don't really like the way he makes it sound like it was incredibly obvious, but still everyone was eagerly rambling on about the group order up to this point. And the addition about it being a good thing to just talk about? We're here to find mafia, not to just chat. Is discussing group orders the best way for us to find mafia? I doubt it.

I liked getmoript's entry. But then this. This hideous thing, spoilered below.
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This makes so little sense it makes me cringe. Classifying the players in the 5 cells at this point, including some he has no idea about is just stupid. It has no basis. It's also extremely contradictory. Why does getmoript what Cell 2 lynched first when he is so sure about Holy? The way he explains himself I understand that he reads HF well if he's scum, and that HF can be an asset to town when town. Why would you want to get rid of a player like that early on? Policy lynching at start with no proper reasoning? Just... what. The other cells have reasons that make a bit more sense, but I find it contradictory that getmoript whom earlier called rayn out for not having realized why the order discussion is not very fruitful and liking prp's post, now goes straight into talking about order himself as his first agenda, when half of the players in the game haven't even showed up yet.



The post before this where LSB explains what rayn is likely to trying to hint at I like. I don't however like how much he's pushing the activity ordering. Just as 48 hours gives you a limited amount of information readwise, it also gives a limited amount of information activity-wise. (Personal opinion.) If there are available reads that are clear enough, I'd always take them before an inactivity policy lynch. Not to mention that while deciding the order, one has to account for the new information that inevitably comes up before reaching a certain group.



+ for pointing out the exact thing same about getmoript as I thought of when I read it.

General note: The back and forth between raykosh+getmo starts looking like it'll become an unreadable clusterfuck, I hope not.

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Super bad post by getmoript. #1 #3 are just trolling and/or being stupid. #2 is just bad. So you want to lynch palmar because if he's town, you're just gonna believe his reads and trust in them and win the game like that, and if he's scum, then yay 1 scum down? Just no, no no no. Horrible reasoning for wanting to lynch a player that hasn't even posted at that point of the game.

General note: Does gumshoe post anything but useless filler?
General note 2: Could say almost the same about mderg.

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More text from getmoript I don't like. Main point why: Given the confidence in his own play clearly shown in his posts so far, why is he 1) so afraid of the possibility of a scum holyflare, when he's shown confidence in understanding holyflare's play earlier. 2) So dependant on getting "good information" from Palmar like he's some sort of god-level-player who will without question be correct and worth trusting if he flips town. Even the best players can be wrong. The thing is, we're not here to play "sheep the most experienced players", especially not with the amount of confidence getmoript is showing off. Which is exactly why I find it so weird that he insists on these two things.

Closure note: This is going to take long. Posting my thoughts as I catch up, here's up to end of P15. Small break.

On April 07 2014 05:20 prplhz wrote:
really?

oh well

@Steveling

What is your current scumteam?

On April 07 2014 05:31 Steveling wrote:


After some intense thinking I translated it.

This is what I said about ceph as well.

How does slam make so much sense arguably by randomly moving his hands on the keyboard, tensai mafia player?

On April 07 2014 05:33 gumshoe wrote:
Im just going to make sure this question is always on the current page till you answer it prp.

On April 07 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:

People are stupid in general. That's not an assumption that's a fact.