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On April 03 2014 05:42 prplhz wrote: @LSB You don't think you'd contribute more by commenting on happenings in the thread than by maintaining a lurker list? If only I had a large list that contained my thoughts on every cell in the game | ||
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Our mayor ran on a campaign that he wanted to lynch 100% the person that he now thinks is town. I will announce the creation of LSB's Vote Block! ![[image loading]](http://www.lawrencetown.ednet.ns.ca/vote.gif) For a town that votes without thinking is a town doomed to failure The LSB vote block is interested in only supporting candidates that announce the order in which they will put the candidates up for lynch, and are willing to be policy lynched for failure to adhere to the order. The LSB vote block follows an activity based order system. Lynch inactives first and actives last. Some people complain about inactives, the LSB vote block actually does something about the inactives. Cell 3 will be designated as the most inactive vote block. The LSB vote block promotes early voting for blocks with a lot of discussion on them. Long protracted arguments can be detrimental not only to analysis (tunneling), but also may fracture the town. And now the order: 3 - Two people who will drop off early and coag, this is the definition of an inactive group 5 - Getmoript and prplhz have lots of analysis done on them, Cephiro is inactive 1 - The Rayn/Gumeshoe/Steveling thing is a mess that needs to be sorted out 2 - Process of elimination, 2 has to go here 4- LSB Believes that he will be able to best contribute to town victory by staying alive for a long time The LSB vote block consists of one person (LSB), however he consists of 6.67% of the town voice, a very large share. Currently the only candidate that will ascribe to the LSB vote block principles is LSB so the LSB vote block will vote for LSB ##Vote: LSB The LSB voting block is willing to support any other candidate that chooses 3-5 as the first two cells to be voted off the island. LSB is willing to consider switching the order of the last three cells should anyone wish to join the LSB voting block. | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB how are you "most likely to solve the game" when you have given zero reads in this game? ~rayn I am not claiming this game is solvable. I am simply claiming that I find it odd that with only 24 hours left in the mayor candidate running we have no clear idea what order the town should lynch people in. There are two ways we cay do this. We decide an order first and post it, holding the mayor to the order. Another way we can do it is holding fake elections for who to lynch first, and then making sure that the group with the most votes in it will be put up first. However we still need to order the remaining four groups. I propose we use ##Lynch: Playername to indicate a desire to lynch (and put the group first). We can even maintain unofficial vote counts. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2014 12:25 getmoript wrote: The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP? Do you shit up tl forums because you find it fun to be a troll? Or are you just a disgusting human being? Please leave | ||
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Since Coag at this point is unreadable, the main thing is to determine the alignments of the other two players in the game [UoN]Sentinel - Town. The main reason why I think Sentinel is town is his wall of text on gumshoe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=56#1103. Firstly as a side note. Thinking from a mafia perspective, there is no reason to defend gumshoe (regardless of his alignment). Both members of the cell seem to agree that gumshoe is town. And both Rayn and Steveling quickly accept gumeshoes questionable 'swear on my own life' as a big deal, leading me to believe that one of them is the mafia. Next up it seems like he is thinking coherently about people's alignment rather than fabricating claims. His post reads a lot like someone who was trying to view gumshoe as mafia but then changed his mind after actually reading the posts. Sentinel certainly provides a lot of reasoning for it too Palmar - The thing I don't like the most about Palmar is how buddy buddy he is playing with Rayn (and geript). Of course, Palmar actually reads the setup and understands that two people in a group can't be mafia. Of course, palmar admitted he does this a lot as town so I can't take this as alignment indicative. The only other possible things with palmar that are alignment indicative in his filter are his read of Gumshoe and focus only on group one. I really like the fact that he is focusing only on group one. Honestly it seems to me that spreading your reads out is pretty scummy as they don't even have to be coherent, and one of the most important thing about finding mafia is that it gives us confirmed town*. Palmar is certainly taking advantage of the setup and how beneficial it can be for town and I like that *If we are 100% sure someone is mafia, it would be better to lynch that group later so we have two confirmed town speaking for a while ##Lynch Coag by process of elimination coag should be mafia | ||
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I can see how this plays out, we'll lynch all the active players first and then complain this setup sucked because there were only inactive players at the end and we couldn't lynch them. At this point I cannot avoid commenting on group one so I will do so. The major problem with group 1 is that gumshoe made a (seemly) innocent remark about betting his life that he is town, and Rayn and Steveling immediately accepted it as fact. I'm sure throughout a game people would always randomly say that they are town. It would be foolish to believe that Gumshoe would be willing to commit sudoku if he was mafia. Rayn immediately accepting that gumshoe is claiming town is incredibly suspicious (rayn has disproved my theory that he was lying about it), as is Steveling making a big deal about it. If Alakaslam turns around and tells me he is totes town, there is no way I’m going to immediately drop my case on him and announce “Welp, that’s all folks”. Steveling making a huge deal about it is suspicious, however I too agree that town claims are horrible and I don’t like playing with them regardless of alignment. The major problem is that what Rayn did is illogical and Steveling looks really bad because he has been trying to explain what rayn did in a framework. Especially since he thinks that gumshoe is scum I will conclude this Gumshoe is most likely town, and did not cheat. It is the reaction of the other two members of the group that clears him Rayn probably was not certain about his gumshoe read. Fake tunneling is pretty suspicious Steveling is having trouble figuring out if rayn and gum are both town or both scum. This could be a huge scumslip | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLmafia_new.png) Cell Mini Mafia: The Confirmed town mini game Setup Supershort explanation ONE MAYOR ELECTION. PERSON WITH 3 CONFIRMED TOWN POINTS WIN. Short explanation 10 Town, 5 Mafia players. No nights. Day 1: Players may choose to confirm other players as town. Confirming someone as town gives them a confirmed town point. Having a Mod confirm you as town gives you one confirmed town point Day 2: What's the point of multiple days? This is the town confirming game! FAQ: Can I confirm myself as town? Yes! Of course you can! You just can't use a meta seal or something Can I fake a mod confirmation of town? All mod conversations will be dealt with PMs What about analysis is that important Sorry you are at the confiming town mini game. If you want to play mafia and do analysis you can go to the mafia quicktopic mini game What's the mayor election for It's just something LSB is worried about. You can ignore him | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Use the following structure: "Order: V W X Y Z Reason: "because of these couple of sentences" thanks ~rayn Long version here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223 I'll give you the TLDR: 35124 35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary 1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch 4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Can you explain why would we as town want to kill inactives first? The other scenario is to kill people we have reads on and we don't have to kill inactives at all. I think by doing that we have much better chances of winning (= lynch 3 scum in a row and not mind about the "hard" groups). ~rayn Each group is objectively hard. As I have mentioned before, it may be advantageous to make the day 1 lynch the one focus on a major scum candidate. However we have no way of knowing which groups will be hard in the future. In addition the easiest way to cause a town loss is by removing activity from a town and having a game stagnate. In addition inactive players are less likely to contribute or think on their own twoards the later lynches. We would progressively get less accurate | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Who the hell says we trust steve? You've made the last 20 pages a shit fest that say nothing other than talk about each other and you never ever consider Steve, who hasn't really done anything at all other than filter and come to conclusions already drawn. Vote me for mayor. I listen to town consensus . If i go against town you can lynch me. Let's stop this shit of i should be mayor because I'm so town or he should be mayor just cz my read so gd. Vote me, end of all this mayor talk. Find scum outside of your cell! His whole reason for being mayor is to follow the town consensus, however he has done absolutely nothing in work to establish a town consensus for what order to lynch people in. Nor has he indicated in any way shape or form what order people are going to be in. (Well he did call my major town read scum, and probably will put that group first, which seems like a bad idea to me). Simply allowing someone to maintain an order without a discussion is incredibly scummy because scum could easily set up the order so it is advantageous to them | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:46 Steveling wrote: Anyway, ask legit stuff, I'll be around for some more time. What's the timer till day1 ends? Three hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=77#1522 We have like 6 people set to be modkilled | ||
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##unvote ##Vote Raynpelikonoshi | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB What group would you place second? Put group 3 (assuming you are dead set on group one 1). Activity based, and I have green reads on the two that are not coag, and I don't think we would get much help from palmar/sentinel throughout the game. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No I am putting group 3 first. Who is second now? Group 5. If you want to continue activity base. Another reason why I am so dead set on activity is because even if rayn is correct and we have 3 people we know are scum, it doesn't matter in which order we lynch them, we can always save them for later and have 2 confirmed town contributing throughout the game. Just to add since people will say this is a copout awnser. I would say that aside from activity based group 1 is a strong candidate for being up for lynch early, simply because there is a heavy focus on the group and a flip can clear things up. In addition I have a few reads in group one already. Above all I am beginning to think that rayn as mayor would help me read group one a lot better because what he chooses to do is incredibly alignment indicative. | ||
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Reasoning here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=63#1243 | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote: But would you even have shown up if people weren't voting you? That's what I'm struggling with. Activity being alignment indicative is a horrible idea. Though of course I'm the one saying this. | ||
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The good news with Cell One is that Coagulation has started up and became active lately. This is surprising to me because I would typically not expect Coagulation to care if he was going to die or not, regardless of alignment and just lurk/troll. However I admit I am unable to read Coagulation so I will seek to example the other two players In the group I would say that Palmar is the clear townie. I would consider him the main town voice driving not only discussion and original thought. The only major concern is that he isn't being very trolly which I would associate with him normal town play. On the plus side not only is he very invested in finding the mafia in his own group, he also cares about much more than his own group. [UoN]Sentinel has taken that to the extreame, he has shown little interest in his own cell. Of course, with Palmar being green my book its somewhat understandable. However Sentinel has expressed doubt at the greeness of palmar. In addition he leaves weak reads on everyone else. This post in particular stands out to me for being very weak http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=106#2104 It seems like a long post at first, however I don't see any reason to include the massive amount of quotes nessissary to make it work. Likewise the analysis is increadibly weak at the very end It is pretty shitty saying this so close to the deadline. :/ | ||
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##Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:30 Coagulation wrote: and pretending to contribute but saying nothing. at least I had the decency to tell yall fuck off when yall asked me for reads This is what I like about Coag, he's honest. | ||
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