Doctor Who Mafia 2 - Page 27

On March 31 2014 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rayn is mafia because he wants to lynch people who are 50% not town versus any potential scum!!

Jesus christ best case 2014!!

On March 31 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so apparently i am mafia because:
- I believed Slam's claim (incorrect)
- I am trying to lynch a dude who is 50% not town (rofl)
- I am going to stop scumhunting (incorrect)
- I posted heavily biased meaningless reads (lol)

On March 31 2014 03:56 Vivax wrote:
What if there's a traitor in the game and he can claim survivor cause town doesn't know that it's possible?

On March 31 2014 04:27 Amiko wrote:
@raynpelikoneet - Massclaims Continued
So I skimmed through the crossfire game linked by rayn. I do agree that the claims were beneficial to town in that game, but I feel my concerns from my earlier post are mostly still applicable. Rayn addresses the game setup here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20200468) – there are a lot of distinctions, but these are the important ones, I think:
- In the prior game, people could confirm their claimed powers by affecting the vote count. In this game, we don’t know whether people can confirm they have powers they claim.
- In the prior game, there was not a risk of alignment change (unless I missed something). In this game, a town claim we believe may be converted into scum.
Some of my other concerns are still applicable, too (fabricated roles).

raynpelikoneet vote on Alakaslam
After thinking about it a little, I actually feel a little better about rayn’s justification for voting Alakaslam. I think we can summarize his argument as, Alakaslam may be scum (scum claiming survivor) or he may be survivor (3rd party) but we know he isn’t town, so he is a good/safe-ish lynch.

tehpoofter on raynpelikoneet
I really dislike poofter’s vote on raynpelikoneet.
One- I have trouble seeing rayn’s push on Alakaslam as scummy.
Two- I think the criticism of rayn for pushing slam lynch (and not focusing other people) doesn’t make much sense since rayn is doing other things (pushing for massclaim, giving reads, questioning players including me).
Three- I don’t disagree with your read that rayn saying he doesn’t care is scum – he actually did something pretty similar same thing in the game he linked and flipped scum there. However, I don’t put much into rayn’s “I don’t care” in that post because right after it he gives some reads.

Vote
I don’t feel great about the Alakaslam lynch, but I think it’s pretty good and is a def. a better lynch than rayn.
The two are vote tied so I’m going to

##Vote: Alakaslam

(I think it is a little sad we are lynching Alakaslam when he seems to be posting coherently though, shouldn’t we be encouraging that?)

@Alakaslam: Right now I don't want to lynch rayn. If we were going to lynch someone other than you two, who would you pick and why?

On March 31 2014 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point is unless you are certain you can lynch mafia every day you HAVE to lynch Slam one day. Just because the closer to LYLO it gets the more mafia he becomes even if he is survivor. Also the longer the game goes the LESS POSSIBILITIES we have to actually lynch him, just because at some point there will be a point where you can't just lynch the survivor claim unless you think they are mafia because if you do you lose! With this playerbase i am not sure i or the town in general, especially after night kills, can lynch mafia every day, that's my honest opinion

Now if you have to lynch the survivor claim, the best play is to lynch the survivor claim on D1. Just because you have way better chances to lynch mafia on D2 than D1, based purely on the fact that you have 120 hours instead of 48 to find the first mafia. Basic logic. You have also night actions on N1 that might reveal something. You have also a GUARANTEED NON-TOWN D1 lynch. The survivor claim might even be mafia.

This has nothing to do with scumhunting. You just default your votes on Slam and play normally. Instead of having a 48h day we have a 120h day. People who stop playing because "lynch is already decided" are likely mafia because just because a lynch is "decided" does not mean you should stop playing until you see the results.

Sucks for Slam if he is survivor but he fucked up. The best play is to put votes on him, ignore him and focus on other stuff. we have a 120h D1. If someone claims scum or something we can always switch our votes.Easy, and definitely the best play.

Now this is the last time i explain this. Hope people understand.

On March 31 2014 04:01 Djodref wrote:


What if he is trying to ask me this question to get me talking, see where I am in my thought process, and try to infer my alignment from there ?
Would you be a little happier if I'm telling you I'm down with you to lynch Slam ? Because I feel like you could use a little love right now

And here are my reasons to lynch Slam.

• Good policy lynch => less trolling, less spam, and I'm not able to determine his alignment.
  
• VT claim and survivor claim => I don't think such roles exist in this game. I think everyone got a role (even a small one) in this heavily themed game, so I suspect both claims to be lies
  
• Even if he's town, I don't think like he would help us solve the game anyway (sorry Slam, but I would be glad if you prove me wrong)
  

## vote Slam

I understand that it would be more difficult to scumhunt if we decide to lynch Slam now, but I really think the discussion is not going to end here and I'm open to change my vote to pressure anyone else if needed.

My answer to Poofer incoming.

On March 31 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:


This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game.

On March 31 2014 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The irony is you are attacking townies so maybe you should just stop. All your arguments are "they try to lynch me boohoo". Well maybe you should have thought twice before claiming survivor.. There is a part of that post that pretty much proves Djodref is town.