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I think that point 1 is wrong. Its scummy because by auto lynching the survivor claim you lose a lot of potential pressure that could be put on people. This is also if slam was doing this as VT would be a horrible waste of a day. I think the goal in this setup day 1 is to hit people that convert alignments that are anti-town. The longer we let the game go without getting someone like that the worst we are as town. So I think its not a pro-town agenda in this setup.
Your 2nd point about rayn doing other things. I'd say mass claiming reads as neutral especially since he says he's going to lie about his role... if he plans on doing that what info is garnered from a mass claim. If you have played with rayn you would know he loves to push and pressure a lot. He has since I made the original point about his not scum hunting stepped it up it seems but its not the rayn I know from the other game I played with him he truly was town hero that game so its possible I have too high of a standard for rayn's town game that remains to be seen but to me its different so to me its not scum hunting which is scummy.
3rd point is the one I care least about because its not something I know first hand and I'm not going to go read other games for this one I'm far too lazy and am content listening to what other people say about it so I will note that you find that particular tell a non-tell since he follows it up by giving reads, This however isn't going to change my mind as of yet.
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@raynpelikoneet
On March 31 2014 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know what the reasoning behind the comments are because Toad does not explain it.
I agree with you - I feel like Toad does not explain his rationale. Even if the read is coming from Foolishness, we don't get any explanation as to why they developed the read they made.
And now, although you agree that Toad doesn't explain, you seem willing to agree anyway-
On March 30 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not only that but if you are ever to flip town in this game i want to lynch Hopeless. Not because i necessarily trust your read but because i trust Foolishness' read. *sigh*
On March 30 2014 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Probably town if Hopeless is mafia. I trust Foolishness the most atm. ##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
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@raynpelikoneet
On March 30 2014 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 16:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2014 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
no i think kita looks pretty town right now and you saying that it's impossible to tell is absurd why does he look town? no rayn you don't get to turn this on me. I asked the question about his alignment first, and you completely avoided saying anything at all about his play. so answer the question I did answer it. He says stuff that's okay lately but he could say that same stuff as mafia aswell. So i can't tell if he is town or mafia. If he is right on his Hopeless case (which sounds fine) he is probably town because i don't think he would be bussing. I said this all already.
Maybe I'm confused... whose case are you referring here?
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@Thrawn what you think of Slam's claim? Also along the same lines what do you think of my accusations on rayn?
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On March 31 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
This is also if slam was doing this as VT would be a horrible waste of a day.
@tehpoofter: What do you think the chances are that Alakaslam is Survivor vs. Mafia vs. VT?
Right now I'd guess, like, 70% survivor or traitor / 30% mafia / 0% vt. I guess there's also a chance he is some other 3rd party role.
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On March 31 2014 06:05 Amiko wrote:@raynpelikoneetShow nested quote +On March 30 2014 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2014 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 16:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2014 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
no i think kita looks pretty town right now and you saying that it's impossible to tell is absurd why does he look town? no rayn you don't get to turn this on me. I asked the question about his alignment first, and you completely avoided saying anything at all about his play. so answer the question I did answer it. He says stuff that's okay lately but he could say that same stuff as mafia aswell. So i can't tell if he is town or mafia. If he is right on his Hopeless case (which sounds fine) he is probably town because i don't think he would be bussing. I said this all already. Maybe I'm confused... whose case are you referring here?
kitaman's case.
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I think it is probably true because of his rage posts. I am fine with default lynching him but I would rather set my sights on a scum lynch for now
I think rayn is town
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in any case everyone should just stfu about slam
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about hopeless:
On March 30 2014 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
slam i called you town right afterwards and didnt vote you to begin with
big whoop, wanna fight about it?
The reason that this is a lynch for me is because noone else gave a crap about what alakaslam was posting while hopeless does sound somewhat defensive here. Pointing out that he did call him town afterwards in a way that reeks of buddy without being funny/trollish about it. I really don't like how serious this first sentence is phrased, a sentence that is about nothing but telling slam that hopeless got a townread on slam like he's trying to not get in trouble because of some random crap while noone else seemed to care about it because it's slam we're talking about here.
About massclaim:
I'm not going to massclaim anything
About Amiko: I don't intend to answer that. If I've got a power other than not having a vote I'm not gong to tell you because duh, if I don't I'm not telling you because I don't want you to know that either. I can tell you that the null-vote is a null-vote though because someone else asked. No sneaky half truths to be found there like being able to pile up unused votes on one day in particular or whatever else you could think of.
About rayn: He looks awful right now but I'd like to give him some time. Acting like this is most certainly something he'd do and he was mighty pissed about Mocsta last game we played together as well. I do think there's a difference though, a difference Kita has pointed out as well: The fact that he is putting in a lot of effort despite saying that he doesn't care. He did not do that in the game we had with Mocsta, he went afk came back, sheep-voted someone and that was that.
The thing about this however is that it's a really stupid reason to vote someone because I'm essentially saying he's putting in more effort than he should and with this kind of thing I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and just assume that he improved from last game.
I have to say that I see a lot more reasonings for this happening from a mafia PoV though, like him actually being pissed but not just doing nothing because he'd feel bad about his teammates whereas as townie you usually don't care that much about it. And the more I think about it the more I want him lynched but I don't want to... because if I'm wrong on this I'd feel so horribly bad for this... long story short, I want some time to make up my mind on rayn.
About Alakaslam: I have no idea what's going on with that guy. None at all
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i'm down with lynching hopeless
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On March 31 2014 06:09 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
This is also if slam was doing this as VT would be a horrible waste of a day.
@tehpoofter: What do you think the chances are that Alakaslam is Survivor vs. Mafia vs. VT? Right now I'd guess, like, 70% survivor or traitor / 30% mafia / 0% vt. I guess there's also a chance he is some other 3rd party role.
I'll put it this way I don't think hes mafia here more than maybe 5% of the time. I think that he claimed way too passively and without care to be mafia. Mafia I feel like would use this claim in a situation where they're taking lots of pressure and he really wasn't under much I was one of the people voting him at the time and we were far from end of day.
So to me its like 85% survivor/ 5% mafia 5% mafia 5% other. I am of the attitude that to me a successful day for town in this type of game is to hit a mafia. Like if we go to lynch a mafia I'll be 100% happy if we kill Slam and hes survivor I would be like 40% happy if we hit a town I would be 0% happy. So for me I feel like Slam is a safe lynch if we don't have a clear mafia at the end of the day but I don't want to default lynch him from right now when we might catch a scum slipping up and start this game off right. I want an ez game for town not one where we play struggling. Survivor is a super uninformative lynch imo. I mean there is also the chance hes like Fool or something and claims survivor knowing people like rayn would push on him as any alignment (no clue if fool is possible or w.e. but still)
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he's not even trying to be helpful, he's defensive at the wrong times, and he keeps casually slipping that people are town as per these posts
On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 06:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 30 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 30 2014 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Hello!
##Vote: raynpelikoneet this is a lynch cycle hm? maybe he wants to vote rayn for doctor mayor? @Slam theres a vote thread why would you think to say that? because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now.
On March 31 2014 04:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Slam you have no chance of reasoning with rayn. The best thing you can hope for is that he diverts onto some other sucker in the meantime.
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On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless
cool, you guys can face rayn's ire when i flip town.
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On March 31 2014 06:19 Hopeless1der wrote:cool, you guys can face rayn's ire when i flip town.
are you going to play the game?
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thrawn, you'll know when i call someone town.
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On March 31 2014 06:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:19 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless cool, you guys can face rayn's ire when i flip town. are you going to play the game?
I will take it into consideration.
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On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless
Any reason why?
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you are absolutely useless and sadly probably town for it 
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On March 31 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Any reason why?
disregard I didn't reload before you said something
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