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Djodref
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raynpelikoneet
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On March 31 2014 04:53 Amiko wrote: @Alakaslam Slam I think right now my feeling for voting you is, at worse we lynch someone who isn't town, at best we lynch mafia. We can look at your reads after you are lynched but let's look at them now instead. I see your reads as: rayn -> you see as scummy, you voted him kitaman -> his vote was suspicious thrawn -> scum with rayn djo -> likely scum so I am wondering why you didn't answer me with kita/thrawn/djo? Also if it cheers you up alakaslam, I looked for on the Dr. Who creature list to see if there was a creature like a planar dragon. There isn't a planar dragon but there is a dragon. It that lives on "Svartos" and that made me happy because the word is a little like Svengali. which of your 2 scenarios do you feel is more likely? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On March 31 2014 04:56 Amiko wrote: I understand "copping out" as posting noncommittally or refusing to take responsibility. Like, if I said "let's all massclaim" and then when it kills everyone said "well it was rayn's idea so it's not my fault" I'd be copping out because I am not taking responsibility for encouraging the idea. If he means it differently he can say so though Ok thanks ! About mass claiming, I don't like it. I think it would remove the fun from the game and I would prefer have some surprises. Also there might be a risk that scum could use it at his advantage. I think we would abuse the setup if we solve the game by mass claiming, so I'm not in... | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think there is no rule against it as long as he paraphrases a little, maybe even he doesn't need to. @Slam Do you have any reasonable powers (not like 10KP for example) you could use for the town ? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On March 31 2014 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Amiko have you anything to say about people who might be mafia who are not Slam? Like all you've done so far is defending me, talking about mechanics and talking about Slam. None of those things are interesting. I can talk a little more but don't think it'll interest you much: I took kitaman27's vote on thrawn2112 as somewhat scummy. I'm fine with writing off kita's initial vote as RVS, but his later vote on thrawn for joining him seemed late. I don't feel that committed, though, because I have trouble pointing to where exactly RVS does end in this game. I thought Vivax's post here was fine (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#426) but his post here felt out of place given the thread direction (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=26#502) Although I disagreed with tehpoofter on his vote on you, I don't read him as scummy from the post. If you want to drop discussion of massclaims that's fine, but if you think it'll help town I'm glad to engage on that topic more. @tehpoofter Slam as Survivor or Mafia On March 31 2014 04:58 Tehpoofter wrote: which of your 2 scenarios do you feel is more likely? I think it is more likely he is a survivor than a mafia. It's not based on much, but I the way he claimed felt more like an offhand comment and not in a defensive post to try to get votes off of him. I don't know Alakaslam meta besides that he uses unusual words so I'm willing to sheep somewhat on reading him while asking him some questions myself. @tehpoofter What do you think of my comments on your vote on Alakaslam in this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21089733)? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I agree the second post is really bad. Like there is nothing it can possibly achieve as town. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 31 2014 04:41 Alakaslam wrote: I am disgruntled. I feel I have been targeted by scum since before I did anything, so I am pissed and playing for vengeance, and to obey the rules playing to my wincon even when it is a lost cause. Hosts have confirmed that you are allowed to reveal your role name, role, and win condition. Please do so in your next post. I've asked 4-5 times now. I don't like to beg. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On March 31 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Amiko why is the Vivax' post you pointed out fine? I agree the second post is really bad. Like there is nothing it can possibly achieve as town. I ask hopeless1der to explain the interactions between raynpelikoneet & alakaslam. Hopeless1der says Alakaslam is usually unreadable and implies that he should be lynched. However, earlier Hopeless1der says Alakaslam is town in the post Vivax highlights. Initially I would take the read as a joke, but Hopeless does refer to it again here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=11#201) before calling it a joke in response to Vivax's question (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#428). So basically, I felt Vivax's question (is it a joke) is justified because it looked like a joke, but got referred back to by hopeless. Not great but fine. -- Building off that, if hopeless' true read of slam is "town" then his last few posts are a little worrying because they do not seem to defend slam at all. If hopeless' true read of slam is "can't read" then I guess his play is consistent. The subsequent posts I'm talking about are: On March 31 2014 04:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Slam will you flip town? On March 31 2014 04:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Slam you have no chance of reasoning with rayn. The best thing you can hope for is that he diverts onto some other sucker in the meantime. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
The problem with Vivax' post is that he is not giving any conclusions. He asks Hopeless to explain something. What if Hopeless says "yeah it's a joke"? Well in that case Vivax just gave Hopeless an out (even if Hopeless at that time didn't mean it as a joke). That's why non-obvious joking in games is terrible. As mafia you get to have a BS read or if people don't believe you you can say "oh but it was just a joke". bad. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On March 31 2014 05:16 Amiko wrote: @raynpelikoneet More from me I can talk a little more but don't think it'll interest you much: I took kitaman27's vote on thrawn2112 as somewhat scummy. I'm fine with writing off kita's initial vote as RVS, but his later vote on thrawn for joining him seemed late. I don't feel that committed, though, because I have trouble pointing to where exactly RVS does end in this game. I thought Vivax's post here was fine (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#426) but his post here felt out of place given the thread direction (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=26#502) Although I disagreed with tehpoofter on his vote on you, I don't read him as scummy from the post. If you want to drop discussion of massclaims that's fine, but if you think it'll help town I'm glad to engage on that topic more. @tehpoofter Slam as Survivor or Mafia I think it is more likely he is a survivor than a mafia. It's not based on much, but I the way he claimed felt more like an offhand comment and not in a defensive post to try to get votes off of him. I don't know Alakaslam meta besides that he uses unusual words so I'm willing to sheep somewhat on reading him while asking him some questions myself. @tehpoofter What do you think of my comments on your vote on Alakaslam in this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21089733)? MY vote on Slam or my Vote on rayn? Cause unless I'm derp the post you linked is you talking about my vote on rayn. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On March 30 2014 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote: slam i called you town right afterwards and didnt vote you to begin with big whoop, wanna fight about it? so I think it is fine to question whether the prior post was a joke because he was referring to it again. I don't think this conversation is too good but we can talk about it more if you want, I will stick around for about another hour so I can needle another game :3 @raynpelikoneet: What do you think of Toad's comments on hopeless' posts here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=18#347 ? (I thought you commented on them but then I couldn't find them in the thread) - On March 30 2014 16:30 Toadesstern wrote: I don't actually have a vote. Or rather I have one but it doesn't count. I still have to vote though. @Toadesstern: Do you have some power in addition to your null-vote? I am fine with you not saying what the power is right now. @Toadesstern: Since your post mentions a power, let me ask what do you think of raynpelikoneet's suggestion of massclaiming? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On March 31 2014 05:49 Tehpoofter wrote: MY vote on Slam or my Vote on rayn? Cause unless I'm derp the post you linked is you talking about my vote on rayn. Meant rayn. Sorry, I seem to swap names in forum mafia sometimes. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 31 2014 05:56 thrawn2112 wrote: hey guys what's up U wanna fite I am NSAM | ||
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thrawn2112
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