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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:36 austinmcc wrote: PLEASE DO NOT BE SCUM I WILL #SADSQUAWK AND #RAGESQUAWK AT YOU AND IT WILL BE LOUD Hope illness clears up Don't not vote me cause I'm sick, but I'm vt in this everyone else has a role game apparently. Can you answer my questions so I don't have to read? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:33 Tehpoofter wrote: There couldn't have been 4 alive, and 2 are gone. Hopefully just the 1, or we're in big trouble. The numbers would depend on exactly what they do at night, and whether converting is something that can be RBed or not. If only Kush could convert, we should just have 1. If ALL can convert, we have 1 or 2 depending on RB.I'm sorry boys I'm not going to have the energy to catch up but I've read this whole day. I see we nuked Kita was anyone else on the block? Do we think there is 1 or 2? I appreciate the defense and agree its original scum left most likely (again I've missed a decent chunk of the thread) if we don't have any reason to doubt Austin's status as he was a green check and amiko would have had to nuke his teammate in a situation where the next day he could win its between thrown and hopeless. Hopefully there is just one left seems its on hopeless over thrown. I might be around if I don't go back to sleep when meds kick in. For now I'll go with consensus but try to check in read cause this is a mega uninformed vote on potential lylo so ill do my best to be informed read the previous night ##vote: Hopeless1der (Bolding on an iPad is the worst) | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:42 austinmcc wrote: There couldn't have been 4 alive, and 2 are gone. Hopefully just the 1, or we're in big trouble. The numbers would depend on exactly what they do at night, and whether converting is something that can be RBed or not. If only Kush could convert, we should just have 1. If ALL can convert, we have 1 or 2 depending on RB. Fair point about four. Hopefully we're right on 1 left | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm sorry boys I'm not going to have the energy to catch up but I've read this whole day. I see we nuked Kita was anyone else on the block? Do we think there is 1 or 2? I appreciate the defense and agree its original scum left most likely (again I've missed a decent chunk of the thread) if we don't have any reason to doubt Austin's status as he was a green check and amiko would have had to nuke his teammate in a situation where the next day he could win its between thrown and hopeless. Hopefully there is just one left seems its on hopeless over thrown. I might be around if I don't go back to sleep when meds kick in. For now I'll go with consensus but try to check in read cause this is a mega uninformed vote on potential lylo so ill do my best to be informed read the previous night ##vote: Hopeless1der (Bolding on an iPad is the worst) @tehpoofter Not sure if there is one or two. But, I feel like there's a good chance the game will end on this lynch (if we lynch properly, hopefully gg. if we mislynch and there's two, gg. if we mislynch and there's one that can convert, gg). That said, I tend to think one scum is left - I think there probably was more than one scum on d1, but I also feel like the no-kill d1 may go hand in hand with conversion. It's possible KP was blocked/saved but I don't know. We have focused too much on whether there is 1 or 2 remaining because either way, the remaining scum was probably scum d1. Suspects are you, hopeless, thrawn. I put some comments on hopeless here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=132#2640 It was written was before the kita flip, I think. Sadly, I don't and didn't have time to dig into thrawn with the same depth; I found some posts I liked by him ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=138#2741 mentioned a recent one) but it's possible there are others out there that are scummy. I asked hopeless to take a look and he came up with a few things ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=139#2773) but it didn't feel like enough to me. So, I feel like hopeless is a better lynch than thrawn, mostly due to looking at their interactions with kita/kush. But those two are more likely than you (despite your more or less afk). feel better! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I don't think the votes are damning. Kush just squatted on rayn from the very start, doesn't appear to care. Hopeless doesn't vote rayn until a little ways after kita drops his biggish case post, and rayn and kita fight a bit. If you want to both vote someone, your votes are spread out, you have a hidden vote unclaimed, and hopeless gets in at a nice time ---> pick a side between rayn/kita, vote, done. He says he wasn't townie on rayn previously, but otherwise, there's nothing really about rayn's ALIGNMENT in hopeless's filter D1, so makes sense as an opportunistic vote once rayn and kita start going at it. i AM weirded out by Hopeless's D2 mentions of Kita though. He wants to lynch kita to avenge rayn ---> doesn't like JJD's accusations against kita + thinks all rayn voters town (so had both kush town AND kita, who would now be converted we think, town) ---> durdling around with kita during kita and vivax sniping at each other ---> "Kita seems like he's working towards a town-oriented goal" (as part of a reads list) Especially this post: On April 03 2014 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote: Just chainsaw defending kita, attacking JJD out of the blue for the kita suspicion, when Hopeless himself seems to have been fine with a kita lynch to start the day, and ends the day at "kita pursuing town-oriented goals", which isn't like...KITA IS THE TOWNIEST TOWN. It's a LOT of defense for a guy you don't seem to be super townie on.it just feels so strange to see kush this well put together. At any rate, I dont think any scum were on rayn right now. I dont like JJD's accusations against kitaman. "Kita knows I'm town" when kita essentially said he'd push the low tier players and gave examples of who those players would be. "Kita retconned his case on rayn". I fundamentally disagree with this statement because Kita's case relied on the fact that he tried to get rayn to look into his meta and rayn refused to do so. It was an ongoing process that rayn never pursued him and that is what kita found scummy about rayn. So I'd want to lynch JJD for tunneling kita while being completely sure that he's right every step of the way. He never wavers, never reconsiders. I'd also lynch gumshoe for actively refusing to play this game. This should be self explanatory. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On April 10 2014 02:42 austinmcc wrote: There couldn't have been 4 alive, and 2 are gone. Hopefully just the 1, or we're in big trouble. The numbers would depend on exactly what they do at night, and whether converting is something that can be RBed or not. If only Kush could convert, we should just have 1. If ALL can convert, we have 1 or 2 depending on RB.(Bolding on an iPad is the worst) [/QUOTE] This point is important if we have a night, I think. We are fairly certain that conversion can overcome vet-protection because kita was converted (who was vet) and we are fairly sure it happened N1. We don't know if doctor/jail protects on the target can stop conversions, or whether roleblocks on the converting person stop conversions. I sort of think doctor protects will not save someone but I'm just speculating somewhat wildly based on rayn's role pm. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
"At any rate, I dont think any scum were on rayn right now." I remembered someone said that, but I didn't remember it was hopeless. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
SERIOUSLY I SWORE I WAS GONNA READ HOPELESS'S FILTER AT SOME POINT | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
Hopeless1der (4) - thrawn2112, austinmcc, Amiko, Tehpoofter thrawn2112 (1) - Hopeless1der Not Voting (0) - No one. Currently Hopeless1der is set to be lynched! The lynch will happen in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 07 2014 12:39 Amiko wrote: I'm gonna be honest and say I did consider this. Haha just catching up on last night you guys are dicks  | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 10 2014 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: I leave this game in austin's capable beak. Roleblock thrawn and hope kp is not factional. Good luck, I wont bother doing anything else. I hope this is a mafia surrender | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
you'd like that wouldnt you. If I find out you are scum, "excuses" are my new policy lynch. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 10 2014 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote: you'd like that wouldnt you. If I find out you are scum, "excuses" are my new policy lynch. Of course I'd like it if you surrendered as mafia lol. And I'm really sick but that shouldn't affect your read either way. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 10 2014 04:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Of course I'd like it if you surrendered as mafia lol. And I'm really sick but that shouldn't affect your read either way. Yes it should because the assumption is that you got sick and thus your ability to play went to hell. If you were not sick, you'd be held to a much higher standard but now we all feel slightly guilty for calling you scummy for inactivity when you have a pretty good excuse. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Somewhat reassuring that hopeless trusts austin to win the game after austin votes for him (if hopeless sees austin as mis-reading him, I would think hopeless would have less confidence). @Hopeless1der: I think only question I have: you feel pretty certain scum is more likely to be thrawn than tehpoofter? I know I asked you to focus on thrawn the other day, I'm just wondering if you feel that way independently. (If you are scum it's okay if you ignore this; I don't think my vote will move unless someone claims scum, but it's a comment I'd like to have if you flip town and we do end up with another day) | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 10 2014 05:13 Amiko wrote: Feeling ok about this and unlikely to change. Somewhat reassuring that hopeless trusts austin to win the game after austin votes for him (if hopeless sees austin as mis-reading him, I would think hopeless would have less confidence). @Hopeless1der: I think only question I have: you feel pretty certain scum is more likely to be thrawn than tehpoofter? I know I asked you to focus on thrawn the other day, I'm just wondering if you feel that way independently. (If you are scum it's okay if you ignore this; I don't think my vote will move unless someone claims scum, but it's a comment I'd like to have if you flip town and we do end up with another day) You're literally all voting for me. Am I supposed to assume scum will inevitably win because you read me incorrectly? What the hell. Before your exercise (and my flaring up at thrawn about LXIII) I would have said thrawn is almost confirmed town off activity alone, but hadn't considered content. I feel better about thrawn being scum than poof, especially how poof calls us dicks for considering nuking him feels jovial and not at all scummy. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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