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On March 22 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well done giggle you just proved you are scum. You take my hypothetical scenario and portray that as what i think of alignments and then you cherrypick the part where rayn gets the scenario explanation wrong as another thing for me to point out.
What is the part that makes me scum? Is it the part where i explore all situations possible? Or is it the part where i do that thing that i explained about on vivax that i would never do as scum? Or is it the longest filter in the game part?
None of the things you mentioned make me scum and it looks really forced. You're "exploring all situations possible" by just swirling everything around and by running the thread off onto tangents.
I can understand what djodref is after when he looks at the djo town/me town scenario and tries to follow through. I can understand what rayn is at least after when he goes through who calls hopeless scummy, why, why don't these people call hopeless scummy, what is there to gain.
But you explore things in a way that doesn't have that conclusion behind it. "What if Vivax wasn't lying?" just leads to a single answer. You're essentially asking "What if poofter is mafia?" That's not a helpful question. It doesn't give insight into anything. It just serves to stir a particular pot whenever you want to bring it back up.
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On March 22 2014 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote:doesnt count, you have to draw it in paint
it's not for quota; it's for amusement. That's too many letters to paint.
On March 22 2014 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
Hey giggle. Here's the real deal. If you are town. Then SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO BE SCUM THAT WE ARE TOWN READING. So why are you saying me exploring that situation is scummy when in fact that's the towniest thing to do if one of you two are town? You're not "exploring a situation," at least not with "what if vivax wasn't lying?"
There's no exploring to be done.
What if that's an apple?
3 hours later "Hey you remember that thing that I said might or might not be an apple? What if it's an apple?"
You're not exploring the apple. Some of the hypotheticals can be "explore-y," but a lot of what you've posted isn't explore-y, it's distract-y. Random blue claims, what if x where there's nothing to explore, that stuff.
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Also HF, here's a real question for you that goes somewhere. You seem to think I'm scum. And DP. And maybe poofter, maybe djo, maybe hopeless, maybe other people?
If I'm scum and vivax is scum, or if I'm scum and hopeless is scum, or pretty much if I'm scum and any other people are scum, then what is my scum team doing on D1? Not in the sense that "if these people are scum, was the scum team just ... doing nothing?" But in the sense that, if I'm scum and hopeless is scum, why isn't he voting you and trying to push you early? I'm not the only person who thinks you're mafia, and I'm not the only person who thinks you're "not town." If i have scumbuddies, doesn't someone jump aboard the Flare train? Either initially, when people thought you might be scummy and wanted to see my case, or later, when I finally post, or later later when scumGiggle (in this scenario) is getting lynched, or later later later when scumGiggle was going to get lynched but now scumVivax is?
Based on the number of people suspicious of you, a mafia team could push votes on you and probably secure a lynch. Nobody did. There's a bunch of "Flare mafia" or "Flare suspicious" out there, and very little traction, right now, towards a definite lynch. (Question for non-Flares, do you guys see this?). If you're attacking mafia DP and mafiaGiggle, and there's clear sentiment to slide things towards you instead of the scum team, then why don't they?
Even if you think I'm mafia, this would eliminate certain other players (likely), because they would have been pushing you with me and unloading real pressure. Instead, you pick up a whopping one vote during the day.
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On March 22 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gigglytummy Y U no big rant on VE? No big rant on VE because VE's night has put a kink in him being mafia.
I call him out, because he hasn't read my filter while voting, because he's misrepresenting what I said/what I was talking about, and for town sentiment on Vivax when he doesn't appear to be following thread and never points to anything in particular.
People like this, VE moves up the suspect ladder. Regardless of alignment, there's now more pressure on him.
He interacts with you a little, with Palmar a decent bit, during the night, but his only interaction with me is basically to continue sniping at the same points he made before. When I direct him to the pages scooby doo is relevant to, and my comment is relevant to, he appears not to have read up on them, not gone and looked, to basically be in the same spot he was in before.
I am not sure that I have played with mafia VE, but I don't believe that mafia VE is so cool as to talk more with other folks than myself, and when talking to myself, to basically just ignore that he's misrepresenting what I've done, even as pressure was greater on him than before. His continued misrepresentation reads less malignant and more "VE wasn't around and doesn't know what was happening and is making incorrect statements and not updating them because he's just not focused."
I checked recent games, and he's been lynched early as town for essentially not participating/being focused in a couple. Gives me pause. It's not a towntell, because VE may just be less focused on mafia right now, regardless of alignment, and so he's just uninvolved regardless of his role PM. But it's enough, combined with the way he kept going at me about the same thing, to make me less scummy on him.
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On March 22 2014 05:05 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 04:59 Giggletummy wrote:On March 22 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gigglytummy Y U no big rant on VE? No big rant on VE because VE's night has put a kink in him being mafia. I call him out, because he hasn't read my filter while voting, because he's misrepresenting what I said/what I was talking about, and for town sentiment on Vivax when he doesn't appear to be following thread and never points to anything in particular. People like this, VE moves up the suspect ladder. Regardless of alignment, there's now more pressure on him. He interacts with you a little, with Palmar a decent bit, during the night, but his only interaction with me is basically to continue sniping at the same points he made before. When I direct him to the pages scooby doo is relevant to, and my comment is relevant to, he appears not to have read up on them, not gone and looked, to basically be in the same spot he was in before. I am not sure that I have played with mafia VE, but I don't believe that mafia VE is so cool as to talk more with other folks than myself, and when talking to myself, to basically just ignore that he's misrepresenting what I've done, even as pressure was greater on him than before. His continued misrepresentation reads less malignant and more "VE wasn't around and doesn't know what was happening and is making incorrect statements and not updating them because he's just not focused." I checked recent games, and he's been lynched early as town for essentially not participating/being focused in a couple. Gives me pause. It's not a towntell, because VE may just be less focused on mafia right now, regardless of alignment, and so he's just uninvolved regardless of his role PM. But it's enough, combined with the way he kept going at me about the same thing, to make me less scummy on him. the reasons you just gave for finding VE less scummy after the night don't have anything to do with the reasons you initially found him scummy for. liek you found him scummy for misrepresenting you, for a weird read on vivax, etc. but having a town meta of being a lazy shouldn't absolve those things right? No. Lemme find posts to make it clearer
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So I post about VE at this time On March 21 2014 01:12 Giggletummy wrote:
VE, little over an hour later (still during D1)On March 21 2014 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 01:45 Koshi wrote:On March 21 2014 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
The point* is referring to your play in really small.
Also in regards to ve, i agreed with him about vivax's early game i thought it was towny, as did palmar as did a few others. Why is it only ve that takes the scum biscuit for that? I like the point he makes how VE is not showing any decent thought concerning his vote on GT but VE knows very well why Vivax is town. It's odd because Vivax being town was not "obvious". Wait what is this shit? I made a post specifically about GT okay, and if you didn't like it, you should have said something at the time. What is this? Now aware that I posted about him, although sideways-like.
On March 21 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let me clarify - I've said things about Giggletummy - things I believe make him scum. Others (many on this Vivax lynch) agree that GT looks scummy and would be a good lynch. I don't feel like I /have/ to do anything to sway anyone. I'm not feeling STRONGLY that Vivax is town, and frankly based on rayn's reasoning I'm coming around to the idea that he's scum. But IF he's town and he's able to convince town (which doesn't look likely based on his last post) then I still want votes on GT. This isn't hard.
After reading HF's case I have a couple of comments. First, HF uses quotes several times during that case and as a result the timeline of the events said to take place are cloudy and uncertain. That being said, the main points of his case (DP is inquisitive as town, DP's not wishy washy as town, etc) I tend to agree with. So I'm going to go filter DP and see what I see. Hours hours later, we're 10 minutes to lynch. My post, my response, my saying he misrepresented stuff, my specific pointing to pages in the thread, just WHOOSHed past him.
On March 21 2014 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I believe you, just thought it was funny. Giggletummy is next imo. Maybe thrawn. Still 0 update.
On March 21 2014 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
The pages in question GT seem to be rayn and Holyflare going on Hopeless for misusing meta and at least rayn calling him scum for it. What is confusing to you? This is in response to me telling him to go look at those pages, directly confronting him. This is basically the only time he directly engage me tonight. He's focused elsewhere, on Holyflare's case on DP (maybe his biggest post of the night), on fighting with Palmar, but it's Priority 0 for VE to confront me, and either try and change my mind OR try and update his read on me. I absolutely positively don't appear to matter to VE.
The way in which he just doesn't respond to my case, doesn't much care that he got called out and looks weird for vivax and is seriously misrepresenting my post and just goes "oh yeah, it looks like they were talking about scooby doo stuff, what is confusing?" is not what I would expect from mafia. Mafia fights, mafia defends, mafia would at the very least try and say that I'm wrong and still mafia (reread those pages, say "it looks like they're doing x", and then continue by saying, "which means I'm right and you're wrong and you're red, #dunked).
VE's utter disinterest with pursuing his read on me, with responding much to what I wrote about him, while showing more interest in HF/DP and palmar, look more green than red to me. Clearer?
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Grrrr, in basically 1/2 the games I have played on this account I was super happy to policy mocsta for martyring.
Now djo and half the rest of the game want to get shot to prove townieness or blueness. Martyring never a good idea.
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I have seen slam be weird but I do not think I have seen him be sneaky or subversive. His scum game that I have seen is just to be a little wacky and trolly and try to look like normal.
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