Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]

On March 04 2014 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
You should be very afraid.

On March 05 2014 13:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
if fourth guy is mafia we just gave them a free shot at whichever power role is most dangerous to them. also yam already claimed 1,1

On March 05 2014 13:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
if we're just going to mass claim anyways, why bother with a plan?

On March 05 2014 11:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The police and firefighters arrive after exactly 14 minutes and 38 seconds. Rayn wandered off to his own cottage in the meantime. You "inform" the authorities that both your brother and the infamous smoking Finn didn't like forests and created a vile plan to burn it to the ground. The two are arrested on the spot and after testifying against them, they're both sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rayn's defense mostly consisted of calling you scum, whereas your brother admitted to starting the fire. After a sound sleep, you realize that life is going to be pretty boring here without anyone nearby and the forest mostly destroyed. Where do we go?

A) West, to a hilly area where Xatalos and austinmcc live
B) North, to the frozen lakes where Palmar and yamato77 live
C) East, to the warm land climates, resident to Oatsmaster and Hopeless1der
D) South, to a similar land where you lived, where your uncle yamato77 and grandpa marv live.

On March 05 2014 14:51 yamato77 wrote:

No, you came up with a bad plan.

If assassin knows who picked what, they can immediately kill that person as soon as they get their role. Obviously this ruins your idea of "first pick Backup", as you'll have no way to confirm anyone's claims at all.

On March 05 2014 14:58 yamato77 wrote:

How do you know who the assassin is?

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On March 05 2014 15:06 yamato77 wrote:
Well, you're still gambling that enough people are going to follow this picking plan in the first place. The idea failed miserably last PYP.

But sure, I'll go along for the ride.

On March 05 2014 15:14 yamato77 wrote:
What about randoming his numbers makes him mafia?

On March 05 2014 15:19 yamato77 wrote:

Why would he lie about that even if he was mafia?

On March 05 2014 15:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not following the picking plan because its too easily abused Rayn.

On March 05 2014 15:28 Oatsmaster wrote:

right you see here, if scum gets any kp more then they can just shoot town man. Its like so bad. We should make sure only town reads get kp and that town gets assassin.

On March 05 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your plan literally revolves around making sure that
1. Town doesnt want to do their own shit.
2. Vigis shoot scum.
3. scum doesnt pick assassin.

On March 05 2014 15:37 LSB wrote:
In addition if it isn't clear. Your plan is not a mass claim. I don't know why you would reference that.

Your plan is giving the people at the top of the list get KP and leaving the roleblocker exposed, or proposing both roleblock roles target each other, letting the KP roles do what they want.

Coincidentally mafia appear at the top of the list more often than town

On March 05 2014 15:39 LSB wrote:

Your idea of limiting mafia KP is to give them the KP roles and pray that they believe a divided town threat of 'policy lynching if you don't listen to us'?

On March 05 2014 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:

nah OP says assassin is only outed if he misses.

Once per game during any phase, you may PM the host to select a player by sending ##Assassinate: Player Name Role Name. If you correctly guessed that player's role name, then that player will instantly be targeted with 1KP wihich will be processed as soon as the host receive the PM and you will be able to use this ability one additional time on the following cycle..

On March 05 2014 15:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
YES BUT WE DONT KNOW WHO PICKED WHAT.

On March 05 2014 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey rayn what do you think of Artanis starting the game with the choose your adventure stuff?

On March 05 2014 16:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why dont you want 1/1 yourself?

On March 05 2014 17:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol I highly doubt you will get #6

On March 05 2014 17:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
What posts on Xata? Where you say he isnt randoming his numbers? I dont think its particularly alignment indicative although I think randoming numbers is townie because roles are more useful for mafia.

On March 05 2014 17:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh I didnt realise he said he randomed them already.
Well I dont think he would go through the charade of 'randoming' in order to say he picks those numbers, why not just pick the numbers quietly?
Its interesting that hes the only person who has said specific numbers other than 1/1.

On March 05 2014 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You might want to elaborate more on that.

On March 05 2014 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Unless he can of course reasonably explain how truthfully saying "i am town" makes it less likely he will win the game.

On March 05 2014 20:12 marvellosity wrote:
Just shoot him later if he doesn't play properly. I have no idea why you'd waste a lynch on that thing

On March 05 2014 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn I know that you think I'm a valuable asset to town as well when I'm town so why do you not get pissed at me for not helping?

On March 05 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
ok, as long as we are perfectly clear you are policy lynching someone rather than lynching for scumminess

On March 05 2014 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
With my plan assassin/night vigi in mafia hands can't possibly have 2 KP.

On March 05 2014 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the plan:

First guy picks Universal Backup. At N1 start he outs all the roles that are not being picked.
The second guy picks Vigilante.
The third guy picks Day Vigilante
The fourth guy picks Assassin
The fifth guy picks roleblocker.
Everyone else picks whatever.

Best plan 2014, we gonna do it because the KP-roles are silent and this is a mini game.

On March 05 2014 21:28 Xatalos wrote:
I can do that. Also, why would I lie about something like this that's easily verifiable? Just lol.

On March 05 2014 21:37 Palmar wrote:
you sound like sandroba rayn, it's funny.

On March 05 2014 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Xatalos what do you think of Palmar and LSB and one other person you want to talk about?

On March 05 2014 21:55 Xatalos wrote:
[...]

LSB hasn't really done much else besides this anti-rayn stance. He also seems set on undermining the plan rather than trying to genuinely talk about it with rayn.
[...]

On March 05 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote:

You see it's not this I have so much of a problem with, it's that he then jumped to the conclusion that you were mafia.

On March 05 2014 22:19 marvellosity wrote:

it's easier if you just say, I'm not a fan of the general "I want you to find the thing I'm looking at" thing

On January 21 2014 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It's fairly simple: I get reads through conversation more so than anything else. My initial comment was intended to be a conversation started with Rayn because he usually always counterclaims what I say in voice mafia, and we had similar types of fun during Really Small Mafia. The fact that he didn't address the joke at all yet made a joke on Thrawn in a way worries me. It gets me the feeling that he doesn't want me to get a read on him.

PS: Thanks :3

On March 05 2014 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn I know that you think I'm a valuable asset to town as well when I'm town so why do you not get pissed at me for not helping?

On March 05 2014 20:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah but the only one you really care about is Palmar. You didn't even include me in the kill list
Am I that unimportant to you? Does our relationship mean nothing?!

On March 05 2014 22:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually catching up now. Rayn why didn't you use the JOAT in your plan? He can use KP as well.

On March 05 2014 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
You think that's a "really big problem" rayn? You don't think he could start off like that as town too?

I mean I do agree that Artanis as mafia probably does have to start with some messing around, but it doesn't mean if he messes around that he's mafia.

Obviously it would be best if he got down to business sooner rather than later though.

Do you make anything of what I said about that LSB-roleblocker stuff?

On March 05 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not really matter who the JoaT is because you just roleblock someone at N1 and that's it, then they are vanilla.

On March 05 2014 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn if I wanted to call you out why did I call you confirmed town shortly afterwards? Seems more like you're making something out of nothing to me.

On March 05 2014 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way the roleblocker is important unless we know where the KP is and in LSB's plan you can't know it.

/dunked LSB

On March 05 2014 22:35 Xatalos wrote:
But scum can just take JOAT, kill someone and never be found out?

On March 05 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote:
ok so I like killing LSB still because rayn agreed with me separately even though he found the point first.
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On March 05 2014 22:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

This is actually a good point. Scum could use a vig shot+mafia kp to shoot someone. How would we find out if we didn't tell the vig to shoot someone that night? Are we going to always direct all our night kp?

On March 05 2014 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
so much setup speculation, I cannot handle it.

On March 05 2014 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
The Universal Backup thing is super useful it seems. Just boring. #1 pick has to take one for the team.

On March 05 2014 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn you wanted to go with my adventure thing for reasons you didn't want to elaborate on yet. Do you want to elaborate on them now?

On March 05 2014 23:17 Palmar wrote:
does your plan include a policy lynch on anyone who tries to steal 1/1 and 2/1?

On March 05 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:
How mad are you gonna be rayn if I get day vigi and instashoot you in the face before you can out the roles that didn't get picked?

On March 05 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:
I should really read the OP sometimes.

On March 06 2014 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, get in here and talk to me about prp and Hopeless.

On March 06 2014 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
gumshoe scum and LSB scum for trying to disrupt awesome townie plan. In case you didnt realise, mass claiming day 2 is gonna happen.

On March 06 2014 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
meh I still kinda like LSB for scum but i think they definitely both could be scum.

On March 06 2014 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nah me and Mocsta did that last Pyp and I gave some stupid shitty reason that everyone bought till I stopped playing.

On March 06 2014 18:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn you played with mafia gumshoe before, are you saying this looks similar? I remember how he said what he does as mafia (whilst not in any game) and it doesn't look similar to what he's doing here.

On March 06 2014 18:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
But Rayn, I remember from voice the policy "lynch Gumshoe whenever he's making sense". Are you saying his forum mafia game is the opposite?

On March 06 2014 19:19 prplhz wrote:
@raynpelikoneet

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't all of your scum reads so far been people (LSB, me, austinmcc, gumshoe) who didn't immediately realize your plan was like totally awesome, and they have been scum because they didn't immediately realize your plan was like totally awesome?

On March 06 2014 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i'll keep track of this:
1. Palmar [1,1]
2. Oatsmaster [3,1]
3. prplhz [6,4]
4. Hopeless1der
5. Artanis[Xp] [11,11]
6. marvellosity [7,2]
7. yamato77
8. austinmcc
9. Xatalos
10. gumshoe [2,?]
11. LSB [2,1]
12. raynpelikoneet [2,1]

On March 06 2014 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Something is really interesting here.
Please give your pick numbers asap.

On March 06 2014 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
I wonder how large these role modifications could be. Like austin (I think) speculated on detective -> framer. But there's no point having a framer if mafia already took the DT spot already etc.

On March 06 2014 19:46 marvellosity wrote:

wasn't my point at all

On March 06 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote:

Well it kinda depends on timing. LSB had already announced he was picking 2,1 when gumshoe came in saying he was denying rayn. Don't really know when what happened.

Either way there's some seriously annoying play going down. Silly players making silly unilateral decisions is silly.

On March 06 2014 20:10 prplhz wrote:
But why would a scum gumshoe care so much whether or not raynpelikoneet gets Universal Backup or not? It really doesn't matter because of it's not raynpelikoneet, it's someone else and unless they're mafia it makes no difference.

On March 06 2014 20:12 prplhz wrote:
And.... what does he gain from that? Even if he succeeds and we lynch Oatsmaster then all we lost was a Universal Backup with a leftover powerrole and we will know for 100% sure that his leftover rolelist was bad.

And if we decide that Oatsmaster isn't scum then he didn't gain anything at all.

On March 06 2014 20:14 prplhz wrote:
But why does he have a very strong need to get Universal Backup lynched at all? Can't he just ignore him?

On March 06 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
I have been thinking about Oats a little. I wonder if it's worth someone near the bottom of the draft 2nd picking Universal Backup, just in case :x

On March 06 2014 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't understand how a town gumshoe can go against rayn when it's abundantly clear he hasn't properly read his plan or his posts.

On March 06 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
The funny thing is that gumshoe doesn't have to be mafia really but every time someone defends him it makes me want to lynch him more because the defences are so atrocious.

On March 06 2014 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
why do you care so much rayn?

On March 06 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe yeah. I'm just concerned that I'll be VT again :/

On March 06 2014 23:54 Xatalos wrote:
I meant that if we're going to mass claim anyways, does it really even matter if the bottom roles are organized?

On March 07 2014 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
rayn how do you feel about Artanis?

On March 07 2014 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
what if Artanis takes JK and I take RBer?

On March 07 2014 00:11 marvellosity wrote:

well there's 2 good reasons as far as I can tell

1) I can be roleblock someone and Artanis can still jail me because of order of operations
2) Protective role more useful with someone that isn't-me

and if Artanis is totes town then we've denied both roleblocking roles to mafia

On March 07 2014 00:26 Xatalos wrote:
Why do you assume you're still alive by then?

On March 07 2014 00:26 marvellosity wrote:

you're really doing some fate-tempting this game rayn :p

On March 07 2014 00:27 Xatalos wrote:
I mean why would YOU be alive by then?

On March 07 2014 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really want to lynch yamato the most atm, so voted for him. You said earlier that he's played like this as town before. When? Where? I haven't seen that at least.

On March 07 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:

careful guys