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On March 10 2014 08:45 boonetown wrote: I think the lynch order is grack/dandel as 1 & 2, i'll vote on JAT 3rd and Rayn 4th, I have waivered on Palmer and Rayn in the night based on the way Rayn Said: about the killing lynch. that seemed like someone trying to make sure they let everyone know they were FOR the lynch despite the fact that Rayn was all about templar/robert prior. This is really weird for me. You, as the medic, had Grack/Dandel as most likely mafia with Joey yesterday. Mafia Grack/Dandel didn't kill you, as the medic, who also correctly called out the scum team. If I were medic living through the night AGAIN I would seriously start questioning my reads or something (barring the scenario of them WIFOMing more than anyone else has WIFOM'd before, I would think my reads were completely wrong). You say you're getting paranoid but your lynch order still hasn't changed, you just start reading Rayn/Palmar more scummily. I'm starting to think it could be Boone with one of Palmar or Rayn right now. I don't have a lynch target yet a lot of people are suspicious / doing nothing for me right now. The only people I wouldn't lynch right now are Slam/JAT. | ||
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On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. -No support for bold assumption 1. -Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead. Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too). -Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more? -Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1. -Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 . The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum. On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: D1: At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar. A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said. Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch. In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum". D2: At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT. Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA! templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1. He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me. Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam. He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's. D3: Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead. Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit. Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing". Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone). Ends up voting for Palmar. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR D1: -Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more. -Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 . If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these: On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. On March 06 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia. On March 06 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar? On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!! Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum. Kill kill kill!!! Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough- More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me . Italics part is useless "shit flinging" D2: -Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*. -Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point. -Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically -Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him. -Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum. -Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say. D3: -Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up. Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it. -Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it. | ||
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On March 10 2014 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whatever. Everyone can do whatever they want to. I am being honest here, i basically don't give a fuck about this game because people make shit cases, when someone is being called out they don't respond, but instead they shit on the accuser and OMGUS the shit out of everyone. I don't feel like putting effort to the game where noone even realizes how a mafia game works or maybe people just don't give a fuck. So i won't either. On March 09 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is probably mafia. He knows me better than this. On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2014 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also understand nobody will even notice my case. Nobody will pay any attention to the fact that nobody noticed my case on D1, nobody will pay any attention to the fact that templar didn't answer my case on D1, but guess what; That's why i don't give a fuck, nobody is playing mafia in this game. So do your guessing game then because i am sick of repeating same things over and over again. Please, by all means continue doing jack shit. But don't expect me to play the game then. You have no case. You are acting like Robik was acting D2. You are the world's biggest hypocrite. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack. 2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times. 3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments. To me it does not matter what templar says at this point, i have seen enough. 1. 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote: huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. Everyone asked me to explain my initial reasons for voting. Initial reads for voting =/= reads after catching up on the thread. I did them in chronological order. I don't know why this simple concept is difficult to understand. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:21 Palmar wrote: dude literally called slam town and scum in the same post. #context | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:23 Palmar wrote: No I don't care anymore rayn, I read your interactions with templar day 1. You're now town hero. seriously? one of you is throwing | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. I was asked to. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway. irony | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well now you know why i am frustrated. I made a big fucking case based on that post on D1, nobody (besides Dandel) gave a fuck. templar didn't even answer the case but OMGUSed me instead. nobody gave a fuck about that either. I answered what was answerable. The rest was fabricated/misinterpreted/assumed. | ||
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