EPThavent read the town games yet.
but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012)
I dont find them anything like this game.
Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too.
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havent read the town games yet. but based on the 2 scum games i saw (2014 and 2012) I dont find them anything like this game. Nice thing was, in the 2014 scum game, TheChz was there as town, so gotta read that one too. | ||
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On February 26 2014 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote: He was asking loaded questions where his mind was already made up before the question was asked - in my opinion.Phoneposting: So HF suki was your scoobydoo read? Can you go into a little detail? Mocsta I'm not sure how you get that HF is provoking you. I've seen him provoke people and that isn't it. Also re:Mocsta's flipping reads-list I cant tell if this is rhetorical? We seem to be saying the same thing? Who is more likely to either forget or flip flop on reads with little to no reasoning? I can say right now as scum I had airtight reads throughout, justification where I needed it and I kept track of who I had my 'reads' on. I definitely need words with some people today---figuring out suki seems especially key. I havent done it yet, BUT, before considering JJD its prob pertinent to read BttB. Also I might lynch JJD. I keep getting the feeling his trajectory is following a similar path, but I dont know why. | ||
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some feedback would be appreciated http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all Thats Chz as town, for me, his filter here and there is markedly different. Agree? | ||
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I dont hold much merit in the shadow games due to coaching influence. Regardless of whether a player used the coach effectively or not, its still a subconscious confidence booster, and inherently provokes people to think about issues deeper. I will read the game regardless since you say there is a difference -- just giving my 2c about that in general. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Also rampant overuse of meta in this game so far, and yet only towards speciufic people Is that weird? Ie everyone uses meta to discuss suki, gumshoe, no-one uss it to discuss geript. Why? Im really conflicted on Geript. On one hand, it feels like he is going out of his way to explain his position. I think hes writing freely (albeit hes overusing "like"). On the other hand, none of what he writes makes sense to me. To be honest, im kinda hesitant to pus him one way or another but tahts cos my last memory of him was trolling DP to rage quit i spose and then modkilling himself. Meh | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:02 Holyflare wrote: I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway. I find it completely different because in the town game he shows an inquisitive mindset and even from a skim its clear he has his own thoughts on the game., Look with suki, there sa massive change in style between shadow and shadow reboot. Just overall light heartedness. From glancing over the town n scum games; personally i still think she is town; HOWEVER, I also have noticed that after the first 24hrs or so she tends to produce analytical posts. I suggest this will be the best way to get an accurate read on her. Unfortunately its highly possible she will bandwagon Chz (which is relatively legitimate as either alginment) so I am not actually sure how much weight to give that. meh. bored now. | ||
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It was a clear dig @ rayn. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote: wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about: Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness. At the very least this is worth some talking Is this for real... the entire point of those 3 lines was to state that JJD always reads me wrong he got it straight away. This isnt rocket science toad. | ||
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On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote: [/b]That explanatino is actually very reasonable for why you made taht comment.Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b\##unvote ##vote toadescum hmmm, I was giving toad a townish lean based on joviality. i cant say you have said enought o make me consider voting him though. Have you looked into Chz at all? | ||
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Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls. (Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall) | ||
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Im pretty sure you town though. Im curious though, you havnt commented on my case on Chz. If you truly think im scummy one of the things you should be doing is breaking down my case on Chz to say if you think its bullshit. Just because you can't follow my reads doesnt make me town or scum; just means i dont communicate well to you. The Chz case is the key to me currently, and I think its pretty decent. Your case amounts to pants on head and town over-transparency. | ||
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I need your breakdown of my case. There is no value to geting a biased opinion on Chz, before reading my case - since you are clearly misinterpretting me. In particular your first comment about over-defensiveness. | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:25 suki wrote: Although since you're here, mind going over why you think rayn is scum? And explaining your flip flop on gumshoe. Suki, Im a feel player. Every town game, ppl call me scum for not being consistent and not understanding that my ranking system isnt equivalent to everyone elses. Regarding Rayn: Again, its a feel read, and not a priority for me this cycle - hence why i havnt gone into detail. Note, Rayn didnt query this either. Regarding Gumshoe: I can't remember. His posts on the read through seemed OK with me and not as "dramatic" as others were pointing out. e.g. stuff like the martyring felt contextually fine to discuss. | ||
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I think you are treating this scenario based on how *YOU* would approach the situation. Your interpretation is plausible: RAyn is town, was aware of the OP and demonstrated quick wit which yes, leans heavily towards town over scum. What you may not be aware of is: Rayn is a setup man and as either alignment always has firm opinions on how to approach the setup optimally. The fact that he had the mental acuity to do the miller "joke" instead of berate you is not a solid town tell for someone like Rayn - which Geript rightfully pointed out. Thus, its also plauisble: Rayn was aware this was a trap, and dismantled the trap in an optimal manner. This applies as town or scum. i.e. he didnt attack you because the trap was so stupid he would look bad for doing it. I find the second option more likely..... | ||
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I dunno how to handle this Toad/you dispute. Its becoming an issue for me because neither of you are commenting on anything outside this dispute. I dunno if Toad being stupid makes him scum; im still leaning town on him. Now not just for effort but for wat looks like genuine CB. You are becoming more clear/concise with your thoughts which is helping me get a feel for your alignment. I would appreciate if you could comment on Suki now that she has produced a deeper thought post. (i.e. her case on me) | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah i got the thing was to do with Geript. I was just commenting on that specific piece.okay first of all, my point at this point in time really isn't about rayn being town or not but with geript being caught in a net of lies, like stating he though it's a troll and stuff like that. So I'd rather like you to comment on geript than on rayn, that's the thing that gets us forward. Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion. He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so. With Geript, im still null with him; but personally hes not the type of guy I feel comfortable with lynching Day 1. Further, whilst I kinda get where you are coming from.. I feel some things are being given a toad interpretation. When I think of my motives when I play scum, and how my scum mates played in GSL mini.. i dont think we were trying to blatantly piss people off early Day1. You are poking aroudn for opportunities and yes, if you see them you will go for it (case in point: Rayn).. i dunno i just think a scum guy would have dropped this by now. Geripts maintained his position much like yourself and avoided discussing anything else.. much like yourself to me this really reads more like town CB than scum feigning. Another reason why Im suspect of Chz. Hes picking and choosing what to comment on and is actively adjusting his reads with thread sentiment. | ||
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Theres a reason with Chz you are so unsure of his position.. its because he is intentionally not releasing the information, so *YOU* have to fill the gaps. This is classic scum play. My case highlights this - so i thought. And again, you seem to be completely misinterpreting what I write but meh, you gotta live with these things sometimes. If you want an example of the impact ambiguity can play. Check out Mordanis in GSL Mafia IV. Everyone filled in the gaps for him, and just assumed he didnt know better. Seriously Suki, you played recently with Chz where he was town and you were scum. Do you think there are similarities in play? | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:17 TheChyz wrote: And who is that scum Chz.So let me get this straight, your still pissy about toad thinking rayn is town. Why? That doesn't help scum hunt in the slightest. All your doing is clogging up the thread trying to convince others that their town read is wrong. Guess what, not everybody will have the same town reads as you. It's not towns job to find town, its towns job to eliminate scum. | ||
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But reading me based on pre-flip associations is prob not a wise metric in general. I would hope as Day1 ends, you will read me town based on my play instead. | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:22 suki wrote: ok I had some free time. Mocsta's defense is that he's a feels player and that people call him out for being inconsistent. I'm not sure how I feel on that. As town, you have reasons for your moves. You had a reason for voting gumshoe and a reason for putting him as townie after. I don't understand how Rayn is on your list of scum and your only reason is 'it's a feel' and you're not trying to point out scummy things about him just because 'he's not a priority'. I want to hear why you think Rayn is scummy. Also why HolyFlare is scummy. Not sure if you elaborated previously but if you can summarize HF that would be good. Again, when I have more time I'll take a closer look. Im sorry Suki. I dont want to alienate you; but Chz is my priority to lynch. Actively discussing people like RAyn/HF is just going to deter from that. Yes, you are correct, i had reasons for my moves. As I would if scum. The difference between me n Chz is, that I am not intentionally trying to mislead you. I am being overly-transparent. Look, read Bereft in Back to Basics if you care. Specifically ctrl + f mocsta. We were both town, yet you sound identical to him. So much so, even in LYLO he refused to consider me town for the same reason you point out. What im saying is, you dont like my actions, because you wouldnt play that way. That doesnt make me scum. | ||
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