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On March 05 2014 04:30 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 04:20 geript wrote:On March 05 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:
After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?
Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked. No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute? I still think im town too ) : and I wish I could feel the same way about you man, I'm not saying your explanations are bad, it's just that they are exactly that, explanations for some pretty sketchy deeds, at this point it's becoming more and more apparent that the last scummer is playing a pretty ruthless game and "woops made a bad read" just isn't going to cut it anymore.
Nah it's totes cool and I'm fine with it I could 100% be happy being lynched for being so right and missing on the Cav read. I'll do the work I should've done the pas couple of days so that you guys can know my reads have been honest. I think that good players sometimes outstay their welcome and it can be better if town flips them so that they can trust their reads.
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On February 26 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Wave what's your conclusion on me, Toad and geript? I'm not entirely convinced by the Rayn-Toad interaction. I have Toad as town for feels-type reasons. I'm going to need longer on you and Geript. As I recently said I'm not sure what it means for Geript to have not-quite-understood what was going on between the two of you, and there is some 'similarity-to-my-thoughts' going on in his posting, so I can't make a call on him yet.
Honestly a Wave I don't want gumshoe to explain that. I'd rather you do it and him confirm that. I'd also like you to explain why you were town on Toad despite the being 'similarity to my thoughts' going on and not town on both of us.
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And now I'm back up to my super townread of Wave. Like I'm really impressing myself with that read. It looks like a really solid read... Ugh.
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No wave I'm not baiting you. I don't think it's even useful for reading you. I'm just at a point where it's only townreads alive so I need to figure out who is what and where I went wrong.
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On March 05 2014 05:10 Vivax wrote:
Geript, you owe me the Cavalinho sheeping. Please put your vote on Ange77 if you didn't already.
##Unvote
##Vote Ange777
##unvote
##vote Ange777
That's fine. I can do a Shelvocke policy lynch today, but if that's the agreement I want to make sure that we just pretend that she's town and try to figure out everyone else who's left. If she's scum, aweomse. if not then we'll be able to get a better lynch off tomorrow.
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I've got to take a break to do some stuff for the PYP game that both Wave and HF /outed 
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No Vivax. STAHP. If we're policy lynching her, we 're policy lynching her. More reasons don't matter. Reread anyone else.
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Ok you have reasons on her too. That's fine. Like I really don't care. I'd much rather just agree on someone, practically anyone, assume we're going to mislynch and talk about whoever is going to make it to the next day. Like we can policy lynch Ange for 2 page filter, Chyz for not being on suki, me for being too goddamn awesome. I'd mych rather pull a Gonzaw and say "Let's look at X person. Let's assume this person is scum and then ask ourselves why wasn't it obvious earlier." I feel like yesterday we all just phoned it in and I see no reason to allow that today. This way we have like 84 hours to discuss a lynch instead of 48.
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On March 05 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
People voting for ange are dumb. Why is geript saying things like "lets look for scum other than ange"? That's just asking people to make other people look scummy and a silly attempt to make him look like he put effort in if she flips green.
##vote geript
Vivax be making me sad bro
I will respond to this... give me a few hours to properly refute this.
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On March 05 2014 06:46 Ange777 wrote:
Geript, for people who don't have time to go through an entire different game, can you explain why you call yourself modconfirmed town?
Because the if I'm scum the mods would know that I could have been lying about posting while driving. It's the exact same reason why Palmar/DP got modconfirmed town because a mod fired off a fake nuke when Palmar wrote ##nuke FiveTouch. It's weird logic and I didn't understand it in that game either but it's 100% true.
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On March 05 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
You literally go from thinking he's scummy to then making reasons why ange is scum. Like wth dude pick one. There's ange who sheeped her town reads onto suki, much like some other townies that are dead and there's geript who tunneled toad all day, town read mocsta, said suki was a good lynch even though my case was unreadable and rayn said 0 things about his vote but then didn't try and save his town read. Then he completely 180s his toad read at night, then wants a cop lynched even after the cop claim. Sets me up to be lynched at lylo despite there being role confirmed ppl alive and then votes ange but doesn't want to say she's scum but instead try and fake false reads on others in the case she flips green...?
180 no. I definitely lightened up on it pretty heavily... like I would rate it removing 6" of my 12. If I were a vig I still would've shot him.
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Whether the mod post was a joke or not doesn't matter. I'm still writing up my big case on why you're totally wrong about me regardless of how you view the modconfirm. Is there anything else you'd like me to address?
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On March 05 2014 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
Um it does matter when you say it 100% modconfirms you an alignment? How does a mod know when you are lying about driving? It was a friendly warning not to post while driving it doesn't confirm anything. Not even rayn confirmed you and he confirmed mocsta on equally shitty modconfirm reasoning.
Nah, read rayn's filter. He 100% confirmed me in it.
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Ok so here's the post I was working on. I have to head to work. I wish I could fight this further, but ever since I heard about being able to post baby seals I've wanted so badly. You got me. I don't think I could've gotten to endgame regardless because of how much I bus my partners. At least I had Rayn in my pocket; I really shouldn't have killed him.
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From geript: NO U ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HrggHWB.png)
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On March 05 2014 09:17 Holyflare wrote:
You literally posted today that rayn town reads people to throw them off but now you're using that as a reason...?
Are you serious?
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On break at work but we left this thread doing essentially nothing. The HF/me bitchfests wasn't going anywhere productive. I flat out think that right now the best option is to policy lynch Ange and not give a flying frak about it and not waste time discussing her.
The important thing to be spending our time on is if she isn't scum then who would it be. So here's how were going to do this. To start off, I'm formaling Holyflare. We'll all go around and bullet point reasons on why we think he could be scum, why we think he could be town and give an overall read on him. Once this formal is done, HF gets to propose the next formal. You cannot formal someone twice and, since I'm starting and have already proposed one, Vivax will choose the next formal when the formal on me is complete.
Ok so here's why I think HF is scum:
He should have a super town read on me regardless of the mod confirm. I'm clearly not playing my scum game. He's saying I'm scum for having 'too good' of reads and bussing the mafia RB Toad. But that makes no sense because if I'm willing to bus the shit out of Toad then I'd be willing to bus the shit out of suki too. There's very little reasoning for me not to switch to suki for town cred; however in his opinion there's no possibility that someone else bussed suki. He also is saying that my reasoning for pushing Toad was too right but neglects to point out that he commented on at least one of my points re:how Toad was reading people but he never really pushed that point. I don't like at all that he didn't respect my opinion on NJD especially because I have played with NJD the most and have the best reads on him and I don't think he really ever listened to them and pushed a safe/easy lynch there. It's a lot of little different nitpicky stuff but it does add up.
I think he's town because of when and how he pushed Suki. There was very little reason not let town sentiment take whatever turn it would. He stepped in and help organize town onto a good lynch despite protests to the contrary (including from myself). He recognized that Rayn was town early and combined push power.
Overall, I have no clue specifically how to read HF specifically, but his actions look super pro town and I won't vote for him.
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On March 05 2014 12:41 Holyflare wrote:
Well i can 100% tell you that you're wasting your time on me
Look I don't disagree but that's not the point. The point is to get people talking, sharing reads and discussing why people should be a lynch. Plus, I don't care who you formal next because it will be a useful formal. Vivax is clearly off the table, but we can at least consider gumshoe because the vet claim isn't confirm able. Really so long as we discuss Chyz, Wave, myself and gumshoe then we should be able to get a great lynch off.
If you don't want this format then we can back and forth on someone you'd prefer.
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The reason why I think you should have a clear read on me is because you're good enough to be able to read my filter and see I'm town. I literally can't imagine Marv, VE, Prome, palmar or Rayn not giving me 100% town confirmed status on my filter alone. Hell, Marv probably wouldn't even read it and would just look at the number of pages. You're al least close to their level so you not giving me a town read is suspicious.
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Ok, so let's put the formal on me then. Why do you think I'm town? I know you're saying I'm your top scum read but to find reasons why I'm town. Because if you want to be tunneled on me, then whatever. But if you literally can't read my filter and find good solid reasons for me being town then with my dying breath I'll tell them to lynch you over Ange or Chyz because I don't see any way you could honestly think I'm scum and push me as a lynch if you're town. Like impossible.
I've been thinking about both who I this is scum and which players I 100% want to be dead at endgame. An endgame of Chyz/Ange/+1 (probably gumshoes) is god fucking awful for town. Ange has constantly been Mia and while her filter has real towny spots, she literally could push anyone or anything. Chyz hasn't said much and I think he's town, but I don't trust new players at endgame to make good decisions and his reads are based on bad logic could just be me having an awful noob town read on scum bullshitting reads. So yeah, after day 2 I've been thinking about endgame because that's how I roll. Like I can't even understand why you don't want to lynch the fuck out of Ange. As far as I can see it we could call her Oats this game. Like seriously what gives because if you don't back down I'll stick my damn vote on you because there's no way you can be town seriously pushing a lynch on me.
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On March 05 2014 14:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll do your stuff when i wake up geript but if you aren't scum then you better find the person who is.
Why do you think I pushed Cav so hard yesterday? He was scummy as shit and you were pushing a mislynch on my townread JJD. Hell I almost fucking counter claimed him just to secure my lynch. Like why do you think I started rereading a Wave again. Why have I reread Chyz's filter like 3-4 times just to see if I think my initial read on him was bad. I even reread Ange's filter and was like, looks towny but there's nothing in here that I see that's obv town to me.
Like Wave talk to your buddy HF because I'm done with him.
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