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On March 04 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Can someone remind me as to the reason people were saying it was impossible for Chyz to be scum? It's in my filter. I'm looking at him and you and ange.
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Hey wave I have a quick question for you
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Before I ask it, I need you to read through Ange's filter first though mmmk?
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i've got video mafia so read her thread really quick k
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Have you read ange's filter yet?
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On March 04 2014 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah Ange totes town. I'm done. What do you need G-ripped? I'll ask you later.
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Since you're not playing daily mafia, I want you to answer this: Why am I confirmed town?
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I really think Wave is scum right now. I need to sleep on it but Wave should 100% understand why I think modconfirmed town and his answer was a really untowny way of doing it. I dislike that my gummybear cockblocked that question but he's totes town for his answer and I won't have to read him ever again.
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On March 04 2014 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 12:43 geript wrote: I really think Wave is scum right now. I need to sleep on it but Wave should 100% understand why I think modconfirmed town and his answer was a really untowny way of doing it. I dislike that my gummybear cockblocked that question but he's totes town for his answer and I won't have to read him ever again. Nope. You're not modconfirmed town. Simple as that. I hate when you say 'Wave should understand why' such-and-such. You've literally NEVER been right when you use those arguments. What did that have to do with Ange? Absolutely nothing which was the exact point of it. Rayn would understand if he were alive.
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No, I don't think it was a good enough question on second thought. That reason for you being scum is rescinded.
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On March 04 2014 18:26 Holyflare wrote: Geript why do you keep switching on wave every 5 seconds? Are you trying to get him lynched and then realising you can't? No I've been playing video. I'm honestly not sure on Wave right now. I'm not scum on him for his response to my ridiculous question because my question wasn't ridiculous enough and gumshoe cockblocked it. At first I thought he was because of it but I'm not for that reason. I'm just really hating this right now because I want to just lynch scum and get this over with. The problem is that I have to revisit each and every of my previous townreads because I gave some a free pass and made a bad read on someone. I'm seeing good reasons for everyone to be town but there's scummy things for Wave, Chyz and Ange. You I'm not even going to bother to read because if you're alive at lylo then they should lynch you or else I'll fucking scream at town in postgame. I was 100% considering counterclaiming Cav just to lynch him I was that sold; I just didn't want to pull a Mocsta and if he's town then there's no way he's left alive for 2 more checks. Like me, Vivax and Gumshoe are confirmed town. I can't think of any reason why you would bus the GF day 1 when you could mislynch me or Mocsta day 1. So for me it's Ange, Chyz, Wave and I have no clue which of those three is the scum.
Like Wave not flat out saying I'm modconfirmed town because I'm such fucking modconfirmed town really bugs me because I think I'm the only person he could potentially drag to endgame. Like I'd be really just to fucking lynch scum today.
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First off, anyone who doesn't think I'm confirmed town should read Duke Nukem Hydra 2 to understand why I'm confirmed town. Holyflare, if you're town making this push then I'm going to get Marv to personally give you a spanking for reading me so badly; unfortunately I think you're town but at this piont I really don't care. Quite frankly, anywho who votes for me better say that i'm too damn good at this game which is why they think I can't be town. If you aren't willing to lynch me for being too good or too accurate then you can get off my nuts. Like I shouldn't even have to explain myself, but since you guys aren't as good as I am, I'll be more than happy to rock your worlds.
On February 26 2014 09:34 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:10 Toadesstern wrote: suki how's life? Still mafia/jester like the last 3 games? I heard you've got a habbit of rolling mafia I just claimed Harry Potter if you weren't reading so life is pretty swag. And IRC mafia doesn't count. So what's the plan this game Toad? Gonna slip up early in Day 1 and give us an easy scum lynch like our last game together? I flat out didn't think suki was the type of player say that to a scum partner. I was wrong. So yah, I backed off of Toad some. I would like to make the following statement publically in my defense, "I'm sorry town for backing off on Toad. I apologize, I had my dick so deep inside him all day long that I just had to pull it out for a second so it could get some air. I'm so sorry that I wasn't able to convince you will all of my amazing reasonings so that we could have a scum v scum lynch. I really can't help you guys there but you guys should really play in the newbies more often. Getwrekt 4 life bitches!!!!" *stands leaning back arms crossed over chest trying to look like a thug but probably just looking like a cracker*
As for the reasons why I didn't switch off Toad are pretty simple. Toad was my read; I didn't really like HF's reasoning for wanting to lynch suki; I didn't have a read on HF. I would've saved Mocsta only because I had a townread on him and I had nothing on suki and I prefer a lynch on not-town. Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch.
As for what HF said, you guys are stupid. The miller interaction was a great interaction to call bs on. You guys should've lynched him on that. Or like any of the other things I brought up. You guys are right. I was so goddamn right on Toad and you guys were so goddamn useless in saying that he's totes town. Next time I will spend more time on how how goddamn right and amazing I am and challenged everyone else is not to see it.
So yah, I'm bad for not having a scumread on Suki. I'll take that. But if you guys lynch me for being too right on toad and too right on my reads on Mocsta, JJD, Rayn, gumshoe, Vivax at least two of The Chyz/Ange/WoS. And being so goddamn right on them D1 (JJD might have been a N1 thing to be fair but I count it and you guys were bad sheep for not listenting to me when I was calling him town), then you know I will happily be lynched for that shit. Because that's the funniest shit ever and I'll get the best fun in postgame.
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On March 05 2014 03:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch. So my unreadable push and rayn's 0 reason vote were enough to be happy with the lynch despite your town read almost dying..? No. Even if suki came out and claimed GF, even if she was modconfirmed scum. Like even then I'm not sure I would've voted her over keeping my vote on Toad. Toad was my read. One that like all you guys gave a pass on so many times so awfully. Like, I really don't understand why you even think I'm scum. It's so incomprehensible and comical to me. It's just making me smile.
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No even after rereading Chyz again, I think he's bad town. Like he's wrong a decent amount, uses bad logic, but the dude is so confident and cocky. Like he makes a really good read here but he just can't believe it:
On February 28 2014 08:24 TheChyz wrote: Ok so I'm still mostly on the geript track. Nothing he has said has really swayed me away from wanting to lynch him. Nobody has defended him in any way other than saying since he is trying to hard to be so tunnely and not listen to others and his emotion (which can easily be faked) to be him being town. However my argument from before still holds. And even if he is town I think it would be maybe the best mislynch possible since we all know he wont ever change his mind (somebody also quoted him from an irc chat they had with him i believe) and help town unless it goes the way he wants it. He is a parasite to the town, no mater the alignment which is why I think he is still the best lynch target. Like I'd gladly take the lynch today if you guys promise to never lynch him. That's how firmly I believe in that read.
At this point, I think it's Wave or Ange to me. Like I can't explain it right now other than feels, but I think my read on Wave was bad.
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As for specific reasons, I don't have anything really solid on Wave right now, I read most if his filter then spent the night playing Video instead of thinking about it. There were two main things that hit me about it early on which I remember: One where he played along with the adventure but said the last time you did it as scum and two where he jumped on gumshoe early. To me, Wave is a Rayn-esque player in regards to mafia where he tries to deflect where/when he can. Right now I think he just realized he couldn't vote on Mocsta and he couldn't not vote on Suki without getting his ass called out majorly. But that's just a "story" read and I need to take a shower and do a full reread of Wave again. Like how he detunneled from Rayn felt really towny to me at the time and Rayn agreed with me. The problem is that I know that Rayn will call people town sometimes when he's unsure of hteir alignment just so that he can get a read on them.
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On March 05 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote: After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read?
Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked. No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute?
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On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. I'm up to this point in Wave's filter. There have been a few other minor things that I've disliked up until this point but this one specifically gets stck in my craw.
On February 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe just tell me now. Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? I don't really get how these two posts go together for me. Like if he can read my gummybear right whether on not he lurks (read Ryan's points in spoiler) I don't get why he even cares if he'll lurk. Then on top of that, Wave clearly knows how gumshoe operates but drags it into with him.
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