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marvellosity
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Balla24
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Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, look at this: 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 23 2014 04:11 marvellosity wrote: Do you think it's reasonable for suki to be suspicious of you, balla? Nope. 'tis what I said, her thought process on me this night has been really odd. She usually has much more respect for my cases and what i'm saying. I don't really follow why she keeps going from "Man ballas scum game is so different from this" to "Actually balla has done a lot of scummy things this game" So I think her read is unreasonable. Like I said though, for me, that kind of swinging is indicative of town suki. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
I know what i am doing. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 23 2014 04:31 Balla24 wrote: Nope. 'tis what I said, her thought process on me this night has been really odd. She usually has much more respect for my cases and what i'm saying. I don't really follow why she keeps going from "Man ballas scum game is so different from this" to "Actually balla has done a lot of scummy things this game" So I think her read is unreasonable. Like I said though, for me, that kind of swinging is indicative of town suki. .... this post makes zero sense. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Balla24
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What doesnt make sense, help me help you~ | ||
CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
If the read is unreasonable, she's scum irrelevant of other meta tells. If you think she's still town despite the read, then clearly the read is reasonable for her to make as town. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 23 2014 05:59 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: He means you're saying Suki is scum because it's unreasonable for her to think you're scum, but she's town because her reads fluctuate a lot whilst they were rigid, then your eventual conclusion is that she's town despite thinking the read is unreasonable. If the read is unreasonable, she's scum irrelevant of other meta tells. If you think she's still town despite the read, then clearly the read is reasonable for her to make as town. How does that not make sense? Just because someone is wrong does not make them scum. | ||
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Balla24
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marvellosity
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CuteFluffyPuppy
Afghanistan138 Posts
At least that's how I think Marv meant it. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 23 2014 06:13 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: The question was if it's unreasonable to make as town, in other words, do you think it's unlikely she'd make that read as town compared to scum? At least that's how I think Marv meant it. I get it now. No, suki has weird thought processes like this all the time, it's the reason shes so flip floppy in the first place. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Kush Suki Oats Rayn Smurf Balla | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I feel like Balla's read on Marv this game feels rigid and unnatural. On February 21 2014 14:49 Balla24 wrote: Marv is generating a LOT of content and asking plenty of good questions. But he also seems content to just sit within a shit storm and let it happen/contribute to it which is scummy. He has one instance of trying to move the thread forward during one of those shit storms (during the toad debacle) in which he suggests to move forward since we aren't going to get anything more out of it, however that was way after and was actually producing useful content. I'm referencing things like his conversation with kush. On February 22 2014 02:54 Balla24 wrote: lol marv... you just need to realize that just because you are under "questionable" does not mean i'm not leaning town on you... I doubt you are scum, there is just stuff that is annoying that you do. @oats thats not true. rayn consistently has a massive filter as scum. On February 22 2014 03:06 Balla24 wrote: I'm not!!! Jesus. What does it matter if i put him as obv town or slightly town ... there was stuff that was annoying me that's atll!! Fine he's obv town who cares what difference does it make holy crap Mmm. How does he go from Marv is scummy for sitting in/contributing to a shitstorm, to marv is obv town with just a little bit of pressure? Seems weak. Like a scum trying to get heat off his back. Would expect a townie to stand up for his read if he really thought marv was "questionable". Balla has been really conscious of his early play and I find that scummy. One of his points on why he thought kush was scummy was because kush didn't think he was scummy early. Balla's attack on toad was because toad's case was bad on him, but he didn't refute that his early game looked scummy. Mmm.. yeah if you're town... why would you be so conscious of having a weak start? You wouldn't really think about how your play was you'd just barrel forward with your guns blazing. + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2014 02:57 Balla24 wrote: I'm really really surprised Kush hasn't called me scum yet. I don't think Kush is interested in people's alignments, the past 2 games he has called me scum when my openings were weaker. There's a bunch of stuff that is not saying anything about somebody's alignment. I really would have expected kush to call someone scum by now. Kush who is scum? On February 21 2014 07:09 Balla24 wrote: Don't twist my words here lol!! I'm saying kush is scum because he doesn't seem interested in anybody's alignments like usual. I would have expected to call me scum FOR my early game because it is a bit similar to other times he called me scum, not that my early game IS scummy. The reason he came up for not doing so is because he thinks i'm bad now? That's ridiculous. There's other points where kush is not interested in finding out alignments he is just making generic waffly statements and mostly asking boring generic questions. Which is what my first post about kush was based on that I think you missed because you keep asking where my kush read came from even though it's there. On February 21 2014 07:11 Balla24 wrote: No, not his reasoning for townreading me. His reasoning for not jumping on me for "not doing shit" like he normally does. His reason for townreading me is ok since it's based on activity but it's not a solid townread. It is something I would expect him to throw out though. I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly. | ||
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suki
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suki
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On February 22 2014 09:26 Balla24 wrote: sad that i literally cant come up with any conclusions from that... people need better reasoningzzz... Palmar is likely town. He says this after writing his big post analyzing the lynch votes. | ||
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suki
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