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Suki suspects Koshi for the same things I do. Makes me feel good about her. I disagree with the talk around it as it's the way Koshi represents himself that is so conscious that I feel it has to be intentional. He's aware of how the posts he makes will be read and thus posts them as such.

The pretending of Koshi to have a serious reason to vote Balla does seem town to me though. There was an active intent to try and get a read on Suki using a plan. Thinking about that I'm coming around to Koshi. The times I've ever seen scum fake making a trap and then springing it have been very rare, and this was an on the fly thing.
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Not sure what to think right now.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

February 21 2014 00:04 GMT

#832

On February 21 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what do you want to talk about?

I want to know why you're calling me mafia when you know I can't be mafia, for one.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 21 2014 00:08 GMT

#833

Suki where did you go? I want to know what your reaction is to what rayn is doing.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

February 21 2014 00:14 GMT

#834

well, this is boring.

CuteFluffyPuppy

Afghanistan138 Posts

February 21 2014 00:24 GMT

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Marv changes his read on me on the fly after a few small remarks by Oatsmaster. I don't understand this at all. When first questioned about me, Marv says:

On February 21 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote:
I think he was wrong to be pushing it but I think it didn't look too bad overall.

Oats replies

On February 21 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
It felt to me like he made a decision on Palmar way too early based off like 1-2 posts then he kept pressing and pressing, he wasnt satisfied with any reasonable answer about Palmar not having a read on rayn, he really wanted that read on Rayn. And there was literally no conclusion, Smurf just gave up or something? and moved on to other things without ever posting a final read or a vote.

Too contrived and forced=scummy.

On February 21 2014 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
yeah it was kinda odd that he was desperate for that read on rayn, you're right. I don't know how much I make of it though.

To me, this shows Marv isn't reading properly because he would've noticed this the first time around if he were. Instead, he was happy to sheep Palmar at the time and presumed what he said was right.

On February 20 2014 20:17 Palmar wrote:
I need to see more from the smurf to make a decision on him, but at least the pressure he put on me last night was genuine if a bit stupid. I like the fact he just dropped it when it was clear he wasn't getting anywhere with it, it feels very much town-like to just back off like that.

On February 20 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
Agree with you on kush+Smurf as it stands.

So he's already consciously thought about my actions and confirmed that he agreed with Palmar, yet all of a sudden he changes his read by a mere mention from Oats in a different direction? Feels off.

On February 21 2014 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's wrong in suki's case is that she says basically same stuff me, Palmar and prplhz talked about earlier. She is not interested in why we do not think that makes Koshi scummy, instead she makes a case where she already knows the stuff she is going to say is "right", it's a safe case because it's already agreed on before it's even posted. But in the end she expresses the thought "i know my case might not be good enough so i'll vote for Toad later on if you guys want to".

I don't see the "this is why Koshi is mafia" type of thing.
I see "here is a safe contribution".

That's my interpretation of that post.

I'm sensing that same thing I had when I misread a scum player for having the same thought process as me as town might be happening with Suki. However, you did mention why you didn't vote for Koshi yourself.

On February 20 2014 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Yeah that was just an observation atm.

Which indicated that you do think it's scummy to me, but not enough to vote for him at this point or expect him to change his mind, so I wouldn't rag on Suki too much for that. Rest of the case is solid.

Sidenote: I feel like the major point in Koshi's favour has been underrepresented though, which was his attempt to get Suki to get serious on her vote on Balla.

Toad's metacase will be handled in next post.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

February 21 2014 00:27 GMT

#836

Where did I change my read on you Smurf? It's been pretty consistent. Further it's nothing to do with not reading properly - I said it was kinda odd and it was kinda odd, but I didn't make anything of it. For obvious reasons I don't think or talk about stuff that I don't make much of.

Is everyone stupid or something?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

February 21 2014 00:28 GMT

#837

Like, you need to explain very carefully where I changed my read. Saying something is odd is not changing my read.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

February 21 2014 00:29 GMT

#838

Unless you're seriously suggesting people can't lean town on someone and think something is odd?

CuteFluffyPuppy

Afghanistan138 Posts

February 21 2014 00:50 GMT

#839

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The meta toad brought up for Balla isn't really that great as the most recent towngame Balla has played was that of Shadow Mini Mafia. I feel like Balla can be read a lot on filter length alone. His town filters are miles ahead of his scum filters in terms of length. I doubt he can replicate that. One point in Toad's favour though is how Balla tends to feel slighted as scum.

On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:

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better than you generically calling people out every couple posts....

He's not denying that he made a poor post, but rather takes the offensive. He's done a similar thing this game.

On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~

On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:

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So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games.

He didn't do anything of the like in Shadow Mini Mafia.

The case Balla made on Suki is mostly sheeping too. Doesn't give me much to work with.

Palmar and Marv, you said you don't believe Toad's case. With that, do you mean that you don't believe it's a good case or you don't believe that Toad believes in his case?

Point against Kush is fair. Contradictory, and far enough away for Kush to have forgotten about making his initial posts if he were scum.

Toad's sheer effort makes me feel townish on him because I'm not used to him being this active in general. Someone tell me if this is dumb.

CuteFluffyPuppy

Afghanistan138 Posts

February 21 2014 00:51 GMT

#840

On February 21 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
Where did I change my read on you Smurf? It's been pretty consistent. Further it's nothing to do with not reading properly - I said it was kinda odd and it was kinda odd, but I didn't make anything of it. For obvious reasons I don't think or talk about stuff that I don't make much of.

Is everyone stupid or something?

I presumed you found it odd in a scummish fashion given Oats brought it up as a thing he thought I was scummy for. As you agreed with him on it being odd, I figured you found me questionable/scummy for it as a result.