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On February 21 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay not really going into more detail. Toad your case is based largely on meta and i don't see a conclusion that implies Balla's meta as you describe it supports him being mafia in this game.
fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess.
I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off.
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On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay not really going into more detail. Toad your case is based largely on meta and i don't see a conclusion that implies Balla's meta as you describe it supports him being mafia in this game. fine... at least it's not the same "you disagree with me so you're retarded" bullshit from last game so at least thanks for trying to not make me angry I guess. I'll take a look at suki next and probably Balla24 (and the other towngame someone linked) again tomorrow and see how he's posting in there because I still think his opening's completly off. Look, i am not trying to be an asshole towards you. I am trying to understand why you say things you do because i need to figure out if you are town or mafia. If i can't understand why, i am inclined to think you are mafia because.. well you know what i mean. I know i am really aggressive and shit, but i just want you to explain your motivations behind your posts when i don't get them as it helps me getting a better read on you. So please, if you are town, try to understand me. I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). Basically that's why i called your post bad, but not scummy. I think you might be on the right track, but in order to get a better read on YOU and not on Balla i would like you to clarify why do you think his play in this game indicates he is playing towards his scum meta?
About this, not sure if you want me to answer it right now or when I'm done checking his other town game tomorrow so I'll spoiler it because like I'd say I'd rather look at suki first and keep Balla for tomorrow: + Show Spoiler +I looked at his opening in the town game I got from him and the two mafia games I got on him because I considered looking at his overall play pointless at this point in time. I do think the openings between town <-> mafia are completly different. I'm seeing the same behavior in this game so far. What he's posting as town is stuff like this: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote:
Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1?
My top priorities are
- to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out.
- immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other. On January 06 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote:
@Asuna Hihi~
Considering you are a new comer, what is your experience with this game? Is this your first time, how did you get into it etc.. On January 06 2014 07:37 Balla24 wrote:
So like, have you played a lot or have you watched/read any games before this? On January 06 2014 07:42 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 07:38 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 06 2014 07:34 chinstrap wrote:On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote:
Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1?
My top priorities are
- to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out.
- immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other. Sounds like overeager towncred grabbing scum play to me. ##Vote: Balla24 I think you might be jumping the gun a little bit on this one. Don't get me wrong, Balla plays a scary mafia because he looks town almost the entire game, but in the game he was town he was very active and led the town by making lots and lots of posts. So his MO is always being active regardless of alignment. I appreciate the defense but... he's IC he can do whatever he wants including mess around... Instead of trying to pocket me let's hear how you're gonna help me achieve my goals of catching scum On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote:
@Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post? On January 06 2014 07:55 Balla24 wrote:
You must of misunderstood me... "my goals of catching scum" not specifically my OWN priorities. I'm fine with others having their own priorities, but overall this game is about catching scum.
Another point, i'm not active in lynching lurkers, that's not what he said and its not what I said. My goal is to create an environment where it's HARD to survive as a lurker, that is, a very active game where the lurker #s are down very very low and are easy to single out. If it comes to the point where i have to lynch a lurker because there's no better lynch I will but that is not my priority. he's shockingly calm, understanding and "down to earth" in every single post he does in that game early on and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did, except for his very first "hi" post quoted. he doesn't have this attitude when he starts as mafia at all: + Show Spoiler +On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote:
Nice flower. It's very beautiful.
##vote Balla24
My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you.
P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. On January 26 2014 07:24 Balla24 wrote:
P.S.S You may begin PM'ing me here and on IRC. If you are scum please PM me your scum claim immediately. On January 26 2014 07:33 Balla24 wrote:
come on IRC #tlmafia get in the habit of it On January 26 2014 07:43 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:
For all your info, Wile E. Coyote will be my buddy- a newbie. He will be in later. LSB knows.
Don't you know his account info though?..... On January 26 2014 08:07 Balla24 wrote:
hi again Coag! Vote me for mayor? On January 26 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote:
Haha reputation? I have reputation? On January 26 2014 08:26 Balla24 wrote:
You got me! he's calm in these posts as well alright but the seriousness from his towngames is completly missing, which is what I tried to get at when I said he's more into people's faces. A lot more useless posts, they're equally short or long imo so I do disagree with you on that point but I don't see a clear purpose here. Again I don't want to call it trolly because that's not it either... but it's not the good-cop-attitude he's showing off in his town game at all His response to my case is making me somewhat wonder right now because it DOES show that reasonable approach he usually has as town but I that's a null after I tell him that that's the beef I'm having with him. Maybe you're right about him being more in your face later on in games, idk, like I said I only paid attention to d1 behavior right now, maybe that's the reason he's talking like that when he's rolling mafia as well because he's know to be like that in general, just no on d1?
I looked through suki's filter and it makes me pretty null on her except for that one time when she's talking about me. That part where she mentioned she'd be more than happy to vote me if her vote is required after talking about how someone else is mafia for a lot. Need some other games from her first.
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"and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did" = "and frankly speaking it's just the first posts he did I'm quoting here"
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Mmh, don't really have anything on Suki that I find that interesting to talk about. Some odd things but except for the
"I want to lynch this guy
[...here are about 20 lines of text...]
but I'd totally be fine to lynch Toad if my vote is needed!"
nothing that make me feel strongly in either direction about her.
Given that I couldn't find anything of importance while trying to look through her I'd say it's time to look at Oats instead for now and well, still Balla tomorrow and Sidesprang when and if he starts to post.
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On February 21 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 07:34 prplhz wrote:On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Toad
This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it. what did kush do to make you think he is town He managed to get all the scummy people voting for him.
so after 3 or so scummy people vote Kush, another scummy guy you vote me. Gosh must be a lot of scum in this game.
On February 21 2014 09:50 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Pg 34-36 The meta toad brought up for Balla isn't really that great as the most recent towngame Balla has played was that of Shadow Mini Mafia. I feel like Balla can be read a lot on filter length alone. His town filters are miles ahead of his scum filters in terms of length. I doubt he can replicate that. One point in Toad's favour though is how Balla tends to feel slighted as scum. Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:On January 26 2014 10:44 kushm4sta wrote:
balla the only thing worse than bum's retarded plan is how you keep discussing it better than you generically calling people out every couple posts.... He's not denying that he made a poor post, but rather takes the offensive. He's done a similar thing this game. Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. He didn't do anything of the like in Shadow Mini Mafia. The case Balla made on Suki is mostly sheeping too. Doesn't give me much to work with. Palmar and Marv, you said you don't believe Toad's case. With that, do you mean that you don't believe it's a good case or you don't believe that Toad believes in his case? Point against Kush is fair. Contradictory, and far enough away for Kush to have forgotten about making his initial posts if he were scum. Toad's sheer effort makes me feel townish on him because I'm not used to him being this active in general. Someone tell me if this is dumb.
Marvs answer to this is a lie btw. I don't put in effort as mafia. I'm the laziest bum ever, he played with me last game as mafia and he was all like "toad you look good, you have to put some effort tomorrow and push prom. People won't listen to me" and I was all like "yeaaaah.... maybe" and obviously didn't do a thing. Hell I didn't even read the game itself LET ALONE 3 OTHER FRICKING GAMES ABOUT BALLA...
I can barely motivate myself to read the game itself as town, I don't ever read other games, that's why I don't usually do Meta cases, actually you won't find me do that ever in the last 12 or so months because I'm just too lazy.
Remember that I said I'll play differently this game pregame? That's what I meant, I'm trying to get back into a little less hypno-toad but anything that isn't "Toad is the laziest bum on this planet as mafia" about me is an outright lie from marv.
Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...
still catching up
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I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.
Also no, I'm not painting myself as a luseless douchebag, if you had actually read what I posted you would have read that I said pregame that I wanted to change my style, I EXACTLY pointed out what I'm talking about in that post you're quoting and if I don't follow up feel free to lynch me based on that. I'm not going to be the usual hypno-Toad this game.
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On February 21 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Given you just played with me in Shadow, Toad, you also know that this play is nothing like my mafia play.
Given that I found you sprouting bullshit about me on multiple occasions I'm freaked out about what you're trying to do in this game. You're not even adressing it, you're just saying
"yeah that might be right and I might have been wrong about toad putting in a lot of effort when playing mafia but he's just saying that to make himself look like a useless moron"
What am I supposed to answer to that? Let you lie in the thread and paint me as mafia and ignore it or point it out and I'm mafia for pointing it out according to you. Jeee thanks. Like I said I'm not going to be that guy, I even SPECIFICALLY pointed it out before.
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On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.
If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.But you're not doing that. Cos you're mafia
that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back
Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...
How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter
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On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 20:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.
If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.But you're not doing that. Cos you're mafia that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back
Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...
How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia. Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck.
read the fucking post
I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter
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On February 21 2014 20:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 20:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.
If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.But you're not doing that. Cos you're mafia that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back
Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...
How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia. Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck. read the fucking post Show nested quote +I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter
Like this is the 4th time I mention this but I apparently have to: I specifically mentioned that I will try to not play as hypno-toad and will play more thought through so no I'm not going to call you 100% mafia without a second of a thought or any checking up on it because that's EXACTLY[/b] what I'm trying to get rid off.
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On February 21 2014 20:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 20:13 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 20:11 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 20:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 21 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot.
I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today.
If you are calling me an outright liar and you are town, then I am 100% mafia to you.But you're not doing that. Cos you're mafia that's because the first 2 attempts could have been retardation while the 3rd attempt happened when I wasn't in here and I just got back
Btw marv, seems like your point about how I frequently played with rayn is, yes I know you didn't phrase it like that but it sure did read like that, I wasn't the only one reading it that way and it did feel like a poor attempt to paint me as mafia was considered to be bullshit by most people as well. At the least rayn, NotVixax and I all called it complete bullshit, yet you're boasting about how it's been so awesome and right...
How much more do I need to call you mafia? I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter That isn't calling me mafia though. That's dancing around calling me mafia. Pretty massive difference. Btw you said "bottom 5" and now you're trying to argue you're calling me mafia. You suck. read the fucking post I got here 10 minutes ago and found you sprouting bullshit about me again. I'm not going to yolo-vote you and call you 100% certain mafia without rechecking your filter Like this is the 4th time I mention this but I apparently have to: I specifically mentioned that I will try to not play as hypno-toad and will play more thought through so no I'[b]m not going to call you 100% mafia without a second of a thought or any checking up on it because that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to get rid off. marv isn't wrong though. If you say he knows he's lying, marv is scum. Townies don't lie to get people lynched.
Okay, you know I said I want to play more thought-out and I said I'd so pregame, correct?
Have you ever tried to get rid of a mistake you're doing repeatedly? Anything. Playing golf and your swing is to much from the outside? Playing trombone and you always get that one note wrong because you think it's an F and not something else?
What do you do to get rid of it? You do the opposite and start out with exaggerating it to get a feeling for it. Because if you're trying to get rid of it by playing "normal" chances are you're still WAY wrong and not enough in the right direction, it just feels normal to you because you're so used to your mistake.
So no I'm not going to call him mafia without rechecking his filter if my attempt is to get rid of exactly that.
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