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On February 08 2014 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
because he's not randomly jumping around, there is a trigger, there is a process involved in moving from one person to another to pressure them and he follows through long enough to get a response without getting stuck in a tunnel. He doesn't worry about needing to drop his read, and yeah he's kind of called a lot of people scum so there are lots of options but its bring information to town and presenting new viewpoints without bringing in clutter or being a distraction.
Interesting. Not what I was thinking you were thinking ^_^.
I was getting at the fact that Oats was doing this last game, albeit here it is a LOT more faster paced and rapid fire, which we can attribute to the game being much faster paced. IIRC, he jumped from Koshi -> you -> cake. So there are similarities already to his town game.
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On February 08 2014 03:29 suki wrote:Jay's play in previous games: + Show Spoiler +Scum in Roulette Mini Mafia On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote:So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences  Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D:) Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:25 s0Lstice wrote:Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit. My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now. I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote:So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D  Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent. On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:+ Show Spoiler +im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.
I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets. I have been drinking so i will not post for a while + Show Spoiler +pointless pressure I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage? If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far. ##vote jaybrundage Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 05 2013 10:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I don't have the time to do detailed analysis of everyone I want to look into right now but let's bounce some suspects.
First for me is Fuba. Check out his long post his only suspect has been Vayne and with his answer he takes some time to defend himself and waffles on Vayne. Very noncommittal, doesn't really pressure and has been mia. I haven't played with Fuba in ages but I remember him being much more active. Do you think he's strapped for time and town or a scummer getting by due to the relative inactivity. I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me. Well how would you start day 1. I stuggle day one because there is no content to go off of. And the whole purpose is to create content. excuses. Scum in British Empire Mini Mafia IIOn March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 10:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups.
You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake You really think scum would hammer a random vote like that? That's recipe for getting owned the next day. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote:
It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise.
##Vote jaybrundage
Best mislynch NA YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ joking attitude with mislynch comment. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote:
I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means.
But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse.
Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless.
On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote:I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax) Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out. As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:@ JayCould you respond to the two other things I posted? (Going with the flow + Not questioning your scumreads) I'm also a bit skeptical about how "convinced" you've seemed about your reads on Vivax/Dandel at times this game. You've openly admitted to hating Day 1 play, and you seemed very comfortable with these reads, which is pretty contradictory. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote:
I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means.
But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse.
Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. I'd rather see you pursue your own ideas rather than acknowledge all of mine as 100% true. self-consciousness. Town in Nomination Mafia On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote:In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does? In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:
I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play.
Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar.
In a nutshell your filter contains
- No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off)
- You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents.
- You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts)
- You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete
And to top it off
- Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi.
Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored.
It worked.
Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play.
Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town.
Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific.
Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda:
i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in.
@all
Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie? Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? Notice how he doesn't really defend himself, he just shoots back a question. On February 08 2013 14:35 jaybrundage wrote:
I fail to see anything in your response that indicates im scum.
The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen.
Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate. Again, he doesn't excuse his play he re-iterates his reasoning. On February 08 2013 23:46 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:
hmm. to be frank
i havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town.
I just wanted feedback on my points. To give you some quick context. I am the best mislynch na. I used to get lynched about 90 percent of my games, though I have improved a bit cause people were getting used to my meta aka being scummy as fuck as town. I usually lurk hard as scum and get spammy as town. But this game I don't wanna get overly spammy as it makes me look scummy lol. Questions? He is best mislynch NA. But it's not in the joking manner as before. His tone is more serious. Town in Normal Mini Mafia IVOn January 30 2013 09:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 09:08 EmileZola wrote:
actually yeah why am I still talking about this shit
##vote jaybrundage This is your pressure vote are you fucking srs? Or do you actually think im scum Questions when he's pressure voted rather than defensive or instant counter attack. On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 09:53 EmileZola wrote:
which is why I accused jay of not reading the thread.
In fact, I consider him scum for the manner in which he switched away from Sharrant. He seemed to switch away from Sharrant when it was apparent Sharrant would gain traction.
Distancing is a scum tactic. He prefers JX over Sharrant and never qualifies the preference any more than "JX has done worse". Not good enough. Either qualify it with tangible evidence, or die. What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX. Note the confident attitude. Town (Fake doctor? XD) in our previous Shadowed Mini MafiaOn February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote:
I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing.
How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself? Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened. 1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that. 3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far 4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice 5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far 6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned 7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go? 8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho 9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow 10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm 11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared No waffling here, no excuses on 'I can't get reads easy in D1' On February 05 2014 02:15 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:On February 04 2014 15:28 jaybrundage wrote:On February 04 2014 15:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Last post by Jay Brundage makes sense I'm done fighting this thing, i'll be back when I can charge it or have a PC Please don't post on your phone again if its gonna be this nonsensical. Take the time to correct it on your phone and reread what your typing or just go to a computer I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense. I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped. Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning. jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum. I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking. I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what. Confidence. No heavy defense, no excuses. On February 05 2014 12:13 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 12:03 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. You don't need to sheep Suki. Post your opinion. "I like this part and I don't like this part." You're trying to tell people how to play and what to look for and then you have that post. You flip on Suki and at the same time aren't trying to convince people how to play the game anymore. ##vote Jaybrundage I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town. More confidence. Jay's play this game: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. excuses. On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D Immediate counter attack. Something tells me town Jay would be more likely to say "Can you explain why I feel off?" and prod with questions. In other words, his townie confidence is missing. On February 07 2014 08:55 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage
What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.
Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that. Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm. Self consciousness. Defensive, trying to provide reasons for the way he is playing. On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.
If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.
Pretty frustrating. This is new. I don't think I've seen frustration in his previous games so I don't have a meta read on what this means. The thing that comes to mind is if he was confident townie he probably wouldn't care that people are calling him scummy and would question them right back in their faces. On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote: Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD Joking tone that's present in his scum games when he mentions he's #1 mislynch. On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. Self-conscious. This sort of thing doesn't show up in his town games. + Show Spoiler +just look at this quote from the previous game: On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats.What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. Notice how his reasons for finding me scummy were weak, however he doesn't say 'Oh yeah my reasons for thinking suki was scummy weren't that great.' he simply states what he thought. Ie. Confidence. On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? Why does he care that other people think he's town? Again, self-conscious, lack of confidence. On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads? Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. excuses. Huh. I think I've just convinced myself Jay is pretty damn scummy. Also I noticed how in the town examples above, Jay has no problem asking people why they think he's scum, or confirming that they their read on him is that he's scum. In this game he'd rather defend himself than confirm someone's scum read or call them out on it.
This is a beautiful meta case, and how it should be done. Don't forget to see if you can do the same thing with the sidesprang stuff.
##unvote
I really like the fact that you actually have thought this through and you have a real followup.
On February 08 2014 03:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
Thats basically the same thing I said balla..I just didnt say it was his normal town play. Instead I explained why his play was townie to me.
Eh, I disagree here lol. Like, I don't really like the way oats plays from a town perspective, so what you said about him is pretty meh to me. The fact that he is consistent from last game is the more important part for me. It's good for you because you have a followup, but I don't really think it makes him super town the way he does what you're saying it's more null.
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It's kinda similar to my thought process on jay actually, so I don't really see it as scummy the fact that he goes back on it. I find it odd that he says this:
On February 07 2014 11:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay is scummy scum scum.
Although he seems to really believe in this.
The thing with his case on Koshi is that you cant make the case 3 hours into day 1. It doesnt work, not enough evidence. But is it too bad to be scum? Still making up my mind on that.
Wafflingggg
About jay's case on koshi, but after I point out this about you suki:
On February 07 2014 12:29 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:22 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Yea I didn't like her play so much as I mentioned in my response to her earlier. I hesitated on calling her scum tho lol. I had already been pretty ambitious with calling people scum this game. I found it odd that she ignored my correction of her post where she is trolling me. But is completely wrong on it because she mixed up which post came first. I would of expected an opps or oh my thing. But she didn't even comment on it. That just seemed odd to me. As suki is usually first to make amends when she makes a mistake. I'd just like to note that I think suki's point about jayb's case on Koshi being early or whatever is pretty bad. There's no reason to think that jaybrundage posting a case on koshi because it's early is scummy. That's just wrong. It's coming from a position where you KNOW jaybrundage is scum, which nobody knows except his possible scum buddies, thus he is OBVIOUSLY trying to fit in as town by posting a case early.
He goes:
On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game?
##vote Suki
Which is interesting because you made a similar point to one that Oats made in the first quote here about jay's "sad koshi' case.
+ Show Spoiler [Suki's comments] +On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage
What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.
Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. On February 07 2014 08:58 suki wrote:
It's not the action but the motives.
Posting a long ass scum case this early just screams try-hard scum look at me I'm hunting scum! Why do you have to prove yourself this early as town, forcing a pure meta "koshi should be happy but he's not" argument to say that Koshi is definitely scum?
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On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote:
@JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him?
To add to this: why does Koshi not "being on the menu" mean you don't want to lynch him?
On February 08 2014 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:
I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched.
That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch.
I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child.
Going to try some filters now.
I would lynch the shit out of slam. He's harping on suki and I being trolly and having fun. This is coming from the guy who enters almost every single game i've seen him like that, trolly, whimsical, trying to push people's buttons etc. I just can't really believe that out of the entire thread this is all he's commenting on, considering who it's coming from. Interested to see what your filter diving spits out, other then the fact that Suki and I are having waaaay to much fun ^_^.
I've been waiting on Jonny to post all day, even though I know he works during the day. Been kind of disregarding what he posted last night while drunk or whatever, so I really want to know if the stuff he said last night should be taken seriously. Specifically his defense against me, how my "filter looks terrible" etc etc.
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On February 08 2014 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its a bit hard to type on my phone but LM is pretty scummy for defending hopeless off nothing. Not that im saying hopeless is scum but that scum have unjustifiable town reads.
On February 08 2014 06:59 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:54 suki wrote:
Hmm.. I want to ask you about your thoughts on Hopeless too.
I read through his game and I think he's townie, but I have reservations on it because last game I totally thought he was townie and he was scum. I'm all meta'd out for the day so I don't feel like diving and seeing how his play was in past games at the moment.
Just wondering if anything sticks out to you. I'm thinking Hopeless1der is town. Kind of a gut read, but he seems to be posting pretty freely. See for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:54 Hopeless1der wrote:My WiFi just conked out I'll be a little while sorting out wtf happened to it.
You are referring to this right? I had exactly the same thought. I like how he is self-conscious about how weak it is though. But those quotes he posted are just completely not alignment indicative for me and beyond that I don't agree that he is posting "freely".
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On February 08 2014 11:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Guys I don't wanna go thru this again we shouldn't be trying to lynch me. I'm a true-blue townie.
This better not be a real blue claim. It's too obvious for me to just ignore and hope that scum doesn't see it like I would normally do with a soft-claim.
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Okeydokeyroleypoleyoley, this game is moving along much better than last game IMO. There are more townie people, less questionable people. Obviously this is good. So let's get to it.
The probable mafia for me today are Jonnylaw and Alakaslam. Unfortunately they are both relatively lurky, thus hard to read. However this is in direct contrast to the previous game where they were both spammy and somewhat active for a period during every section of day 1.
Alakaslam has so little content. I get the impression that he doesn't really know what to talk about in this game. I've expected to see a lot of posts on the verge of being spammy when he is here, related to what he is reading at the current moment. He started to do that earlier but didn't really follow through. The things he HAS chosen to talk about are just not helpful to town:
On February 08 2014 04:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I have been working both days and nights with little rest periods. Has been really bad.
I did some reading though, and fwiw the start of the game had me really suspicious of the big change in Suki and Balla24's play. Can that stuff be explained? Things like a joke probabilities post about an RNG situation and kingship stuff, I really don't get it.
Time wasting and whatnot, why did you do it?
This is his first post. The first thing he decides to talk about is the change in suki and I's play. Mind you, I buckled down pretty quickly and got to business within the first 2 pages of the thread and this post is coming today LONG after everything has settled and there is plenty of real content to talk about. I don't understand the reasoning behind this post. What conclusion is he trying to draw? I don't see any attempt to draw a conclusion about our alignment. He leaves it open-ended for us to guess at what he's trying to get at. As if he wanted us to look back at it and say "Wow! These two really were trolly! That must mean they are scum. There had already been discussion on suki about it too.
Same thing here, I don't understand the intent:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2014 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:
I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched.
That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch.
I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child.
Going to try some filters now.
On his second return to the thread, he becomes more Alakaslam like. Starts posting inquiries on what he is currently reading. This is good. However it abruptly ends before he even gets to anywhere good within the thread, with him posting some self-meta analysis that he posted last game. I would have expected some conclusions from his read through. Does my vote that he commented on make me scummy? Is suki trolling more scummy? There are no conclusions. Slam makes conclusions regardless of how far-fetched they are. Is JB scummy for suggesting that he will policy lurkers and not having his vote on you? These are the questions I would expect him to be asking himself and posting the conclusions to. Instead he just makes broad statements and questions about the posts he finds interesting. The posts I am referencing are in the spoilers below, but it's basically just the rest of his posts.
+ Show Spoiler [The rest of slams posts] +On February 08 2014 10:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 10:12 Koshi wrote:
pls do Alakaslam. You are on the shortlist to get lynched. Am I? Jay had better be leading that with any who agree on lynchig lurkers. Back to his. On February 08 2014 10:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:40 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:39 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. This game just got a whole lot easier.
##Vote jaybrundage Oh look at my in foolishness Im soo cool. GET ORGINAL SON Open the nested quotes. What is with Balla's vote here? Yes I don't like the post much but if jay follows through then it is a policy we don't do often enough according to everyone, so why not? Indeed I anyone lurks harder than me tell me who and I will vote them until I find a filter as strikes me more scummy. On February 08 2014 12:19 Alakaslam wrote:
After more irl and deciding I have to skim stuff I see a ploy of sorts. Jaybrundage did little but call out Suki and Balla early for trolling and stuff.
They have said that is all in the interest of fun which I can understand. I too am someone who enjoys trolling...
... And rolling scum. Look, if you read TL mafia LXIII you will see the context for a quote I am about to copy in here.
The point of this game is getting better, not more comfortable with trolling or believe me, there would be YouTube in my filter by now. On February 08 2014 12:19 Alakaslam wrote:
After more irl and deciding I have to skim stuff I see a ploy of sorts. Jaybrundage did little but call out Suki and Balla early for trolling and stuff.
They have said that is all in the interest of fun which I can understand. I too am someone who enjoys trolling...
... And rolling scum. Look, if you read TL mafia LXIII you will see the context for a quote I am about to copy in here.
The point of this game is getting better, not more comfortable with trolling or believe me, there would be YouTube in my filter by now.
One more thing:
On February 08 2014 12:19 Alakaslam wrote:
After more irl and deciding I have to skim stuff I see a ploy of sorts. Jaybrundage did little but call out Suki and Balla early for trolling and stuff.
First off, I don't recall Jaybrundage calling out me and suki for trolling and stuff. Maybe he's talking about Jonnylaw? Regardless of who it is, this is a strange statement because that's literally all he's done himself, and if he's calling JB scummy for that then that's pretty sketchy...
Moving on, Jonnylaw. I feel bad here because of his drunk posting last night and how I said I wanted to ignore it while waiting for Jonny to come back and tell me if they were serious or not. But it's been a while now... his activity level is making me very wary(did I use the right word?) on top of all the other stuff I've already posted about.
So actually, mid-writing this I decide I don't really have anything more to say about Jonny. I'd appreciate if he would try again to refute the points I brought up against him last night, because all drunk jonny did was mis-interpret what I was saying and ignore other stuff then call me scum for my filter which has still not been followed up on. Actually he also did this while he was sober too:
On February 07 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:14 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 08:08 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec.
What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. He's also scum. Last game he called my early unexplained vote shit, this game he says: On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. He also completely dismissed my first post without even giving it a a real thought, similar to what jaybrundage did, and has been spewing irrelevant things like commentary about post-game which is completely off-topic unless he wants to make a point about this game with it. Also the aqua stuff is pretty irrelevant, and actually anti-town. What's the point of talking about Aqua's meta if he hasn't even posted anything yet? Sure I guess it's interesting to see if anybody has played with him, but you can 1. do that research yourself. 2. wait to see if anybody brings any meta arguments and information to the table themselves. Knowing whether someone has played with someone or not doesn't do anything. There's nothing to discuss in your first post. It's not good. Are you trying to manipulate what I said? On February 07 2014 07:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
That post is worse than Koshi's opening post. how bored were you waiting for this game to start?
Fuck man, I was happy last game thinking you were prob town. You're making me go back to my roots here. Huh? There's four of you tossing around votes. This is not what I said. I didn't say there was something to discuss, I said you didn't give it a real thought.
It's actually giving me flashbacks to Normal Mini Mafia 1 vibes where I was scum and I was called scum early by multiple people because of my activity, and unfortunately I wasn't able to re-establish myself in the thread like I would have liked. I'm not sure if that's what's happening here obviously until Jonny gives me some sense that this is not what's happening. Another thing that makes me feel worse about him is that when we are both town, we tend to work very well together, regardless of how clashy our personalities are. We're not working well together. I don't know who he thinks is scum, all I know is he read my filter and thought it smelled bad. Maybe that will change.
The townies
Suki, Aquanim, Hopeless1der all seem to be pushing pro-town things.
Hopeless1der's game is much much different than last and i'm not getting any super bad vibes from him. The things he is doing he seems to have reason for it and anything that is unexplained he seems to have a followup and explanation for it. The things that stuck out to me last game are not apparent here. He is not content to sit around and talk about early game shennanigans, he is not super afk lurky like last time.
Here's where I get the impression he doesn't want to be talking about policy, whereas like I made the case on last game, he is content to do so as scum:
On February 07 2014 10:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm a little miffed that people are so hung up about talking about the old game. It is better than policy, so there's that...
Then there are multiple points where I feel he is asking the right questions, these are things that I want to ask too and there seems to be reasoning behind them.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. How is Balla's first post indicative of alignment? On February 07 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D was koshi scum before or after his super serious vote on you jay?
On February 08 2014 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
because he's not randomly jumping around, there is a trigger, there is a process involved in moving from one person to another to pressure them and he follows through long enough to get a response without getting stuck in a tunnel. He doesn't worry about needing to drop his read, and yeah he's kind of called a lot of people scum so there are lots of options but its bring information to town and presenting new viewpoints without bringing in clutter or being a distraction.
Here is an example of where he follows up on something. This was in reference to me asking him about his read on oats, sure it took a little for me to get it out of him but he got it out quickly in response to me. There's logical thinking here, and the desire to learn oats' alignment (and mine, in a previous post).
The trolliness you guys can see on your own in his filter, I think that is more of a town trait for hopeless.
Aquanim is more of the same. He has a natural inquisitive nature that I think is clear in his posting. He's trying to learn people's alignments. A lot of the questions he's asking are questions I would have asked myself, though there are also a lot of easy questions that have obvious answers as well. He's also trying to bring new information to the thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 09:35 Aquanim wrote:
@suki: What is your read on jayB and koshi, in the light of their little contretemps? On February 07 2014 13:16 Aquanim wrote:
@jayb: Do you think it's impossible or unlikely that a town Koshi would have a gut read on you which he is unwilling or unable to state more precisely than that he thinks you feel "off"?
I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird. On February 08 2014 11:30 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I want to lynch sidesprang. I wont lynch alak like right now but I dont think he is town Why don't you want to lynch alak "right now" if you don't think he's town?
In the first quote is an example of something he does a lot: where he clearly thinks suki is scummy with his followup case on her, so he wants to force her to take a stance on the other possible other people he may or may not think are scummy for obvious reasons. He does this multiple times towards multiple people. The other two are examples of good questions that are attempting to learn more about the person and understand their alignment. Even though the last one is an easy question, it's something that Oats really has to address because it's just a weird thing to say. Everything seems to indicate that Aquanim is very curious, attempting to learn everybody's alignment.
I said earlier that his attempts at starting conversation seemed awkward and he wasn't really getting that done. That's changed drastically and I think he's really getting what he wants from the thread now.
The main thing for Suki is that, while I didn't like her initial cases on people. She defends them as if she really thought what she was saying was true. The koshi case was pretty bad, but she never really backed down from it. The jaybrundage meta case was unexplained, but she followed up with a great case on what she saw. The sidesprang case is one of the few where she does somewhat backdown:
On February 08 2014 06:02 suki wrote:Sidesprang's meta: + Show Spoiler +Cop in II TitanicOn December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
This is pretty much his first post in the game. Notice he writes a short thing about policy and then starts scum hunting. Most of his posts in this game are scum hunting, but I didn't find many difficult questions in this one. Town in Newbie Mini Mafia LIOn January 06 2014 08:10 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 07:47 TheChyz wrote:
Why so eager to have people help you achieve your goals? Maybe they don't agree with them. If onlywonderboy is right, then your rules help you if you are scum as well since you seem to be very active in which lynching lurkers would help your cause of staying alive. Also having people fight can cause confusion in the town. So I don't see a reason why people should just help you achieve your goals. You don't see a reason why people should help Bella with creating a "tough environment for mafia to hide in and lynch some mafia" ? Starts the game off with a pointed question trying to find TheChyz's motives. On January 06 2014 08:59 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote:
Let's hear some opinions on some people. Sidesprang what do you think of OWB and thechyz so far? etc etc
Be analytical. I'm already feeling a bit weird with thechyz but it's preliminary obviously and i'm waiting for him to post some more. @ onlywonderboyatm he is just null for me. from his PoV he has only stated obvious things so far. It not really contributing atm, but its to early to fault him for that. And he does say he is going to more active and contribute with meaningfull analysis, so as long as he atleast tries to do this we should be able to read him in the future. @ thechyz,
I don't like him atm. In his first post he says he agrees with you and dont mind lynching lurkers to discourage lurking. But then in his second post he says he see no reason to why people should help you achivieving that same agenda he just agreed with. Feels very much like a contradiction to me. This is his third post in the game and he's pointing out contradictions. On January 07 2014 15:33 sidesprang wrote:
@theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ?
Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ? Questioning TheDragoon who was the top lynch candidate of the day. sidesprang was wary that the lynch on theDragoon was going to smoothly and tried getting information from theDragoon before the lynch. Miller in TL Mafia XXHe spends most of the game apologizing for his low post quantity. scum in TL Mafia XVIIILike sidesprang pointed out, this scum game is from 4 years ago, something that I didn't think about as I was just looking through past games and not noticing the date. Regardless, I'll include some posts here to show where my line of thought came from in my case that I wrote up. On February 14 2010 12:00 sidesprang wrote:
I definatly agree that we should not lynch someone based on day one clues, unless someone can make a foolproof case. But they should definatly be discussed and looked through, cause they could help us put the pieces toghter at a later day.
And it also gives us something to talk about, and im pretty sure the more posts there are the more information one could gather from this game and put it togheter. policy talk to start the game On February 15 2010 00:30 sidesprang wrote:
L's point about beeing 20 mafia and that it will take a long time before we get two different clues on a single mafia i dont really think is true.
Last game i was in there was 8 mafia and they had 3kp. meaning at day 3 we in the worst case scenario had 1 mafia with double clues.
In this game there is 20 mafia and 6 KP, meaning in the worst case we would have 4 double clues at day 4. But you with there beeing possible 12 mafia kills and 2 lynces one should think/hope that some mafia would die, and we get double clues at day 3 again.
Two posts later, setup talk. On February 16 2010 08:05 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 07:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 16 2010 07:44 redtooth wrote:On February 16 2010 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Spamming the thread full of what shit? Posting an objective compilation of everyones arguments? Compiling voting history? Defending myself when redtooth and Ace accused me of being mafia? Finally getting Bill Murray to justify his statements? Don't put me on the same level as BM TT___TT
I guess for the time being Empyrean is our best bet. Ver did a great job of pointing out the inconsistency in his pro-town/mafia behavior from past games and the clue connection is just very very very very strong.
Redtooth did a decent job of defending himself, or at least why it doesn't make sense that he and Ace are both in the same mafia family. His argument for him and ace not being in different mafia families doesn't make sense. "Why would mafia defend a mafia from another family/not mafia"
Unless he wanted to discourage clue analysis because he fears it will hurt his mafia family, or wanted to defend Ace because regardless of Ace's role his argumentation is successfully dividing the town. If redtooth is mafia, he has no way of knowing Ace's role anyway, so saying "i wouldn't defend another families mafia" makes no sense because he doesn't know who those people are. I really doubt the mafia are going to ONLY defend one another, look what happened when I got lynched in the last game. By analyzing who I defended/supported/whose clues I ignored the entire rest of the mafia family was caught.
I'm not accusing you of being mafia redtooth, I'm just pointing out that the argument falls short.
I'm voting for L because so far his arguments have been extremely consistent, he's been trying to get the town moving/discouraging waste posts, and providing excellent clue analysis. Redtooth shouldn't have a problem with this, don't you want L as the other elected role anyway? you're right. actually that's exactly what i want you to do. i want L as mayor and i want to be pardoner. no vigilantes means pardoner is very very powerful if he is mafia. as for my argument in why it's sort of illogical for ace and me to be mafia in separate families is because consider the alternative: i could have silently held back and not brought attention to myself instead of being in the middle of controversy between the town. knowing previous games, L vs Ace was going to become a shitstorm whether i stepped in or not. instead i chose to argue a point, blew my top (admittedly more than a few times), and got into a position where my alignment was pretty damn clear. and if Ace isn't on my team (which would be the case if i was mafia and he wasn't in my family) then i would want him dead regardless of what role/alignment he was. and guys i've said this before but i genuinely believed L was full of shit. now i only think he is half shitty but i've expressed my disdain for day 1 clues enough already. so it's not about mafia ONLY defending each other. it's about a mafia risking his own neck to defend a good player that's not on his team. THAT is something that doesn't make sense. so if it doesn't make sense then that means i'm not mafia. yay we are finally caught up. Fair point, now that is a good argument. Why are we assuming day 1 clues are bad based off previous games? There are 20 mafia. It's highly unlikely that mafia will be getting 6 kills a night, I'd say 4 MAYBE 5 is more likely. Why? 1) Overlapping kills. The mafia are simply going to hit the same targets. Let's say, for example, Player X is green. He's been painted red by a lot of people and thus might be hit by both families. This could happen with anyone who was painted red but is not mafia of either family. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if even 2 kills overlap. 2) Smart medics. While mafia might avoid really big targets early on because they will be protected by medics, medics who are able to anticipate mafia goals will help reduce kills. With 20 mafia, let's assume we get 5 hits a day. We don't see overlapping clues until DAY SIX DAY SIXIf everyone feels uncomfortable with Day 1 clue analysis just based on previous experience, I guess there isnt really anything I can say. But let's please not ignore clues on Day 2. If someone makes an accusation based on clues at you, provide an alternative. Simply saying "day 1 clues are trash" isn't enough, especially when you aren't addressing the point of just how many mafia there are in this game and how strong clues need to be. Also redtooth, I'd like you to clear something up for me. I found a mildly disturbing inconsistency in your arguments. While L was painting Ace red based on clues you said clue analysis on day 1 is trash; that's fine. You also said the clues pointing to ace specifically were shaky and not well thought-out. Then merely a few posts later you said that the clues pointing toward Ace were so obvious/numerous he can't be mafia. Was there a change of heart here? what happened? Man your so wrong about the overlapping clues thing. If we dont see overlapping clues before day 6, it is because the mafia only hits the town. And that is not realistic. The mafia hitting 1/3 each lynch seems realistic if not to low to me. Then we have 6 dead by day 3. And already overlapping clues. Altho the mafia would prolly have overlapping hits. But my point still stands. We will see overlapping hits WAY before day 6, and if we dont we're allready doomed cause we've lost half our town  The next post, more setup talk. On February 21 2010 12:10 sidesprang wrote:
i changed my vote to quickstriker, but i dont see why we should not double lynch tomorrow. Since i feel we have alot of good clues to work of, and we will get more.
So you're gonna have to give more reasons for me to take away my double lynch vote. No reason for his vote. On February 26 2010 16:59 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 16:00 Scamp wrote:
I'd also appreciate it if Sidesprang and Tredmasta would speak up. Especially Sidesprang in order to explain his last vote. First, my votes are not set in stone. If so i would not have voted so early. But its the weekend coming up and i know im definatly going out on saturday(and the voting closes 1AM(or something like that) in norway. So i had to vote something in case i wont have the time later, ofc i could have abstained but i think scamp is mafia and that L might be and he voting scamp, because of the cluelink towards you. voting L, because he has lead this town on so many wrong turns. And i don't see any real proof of him beeing non mafia, and if he is mafia he has gotten away with far to much allready. reasons for not voting johnnyspaz who i think is definatly mafia, let the other mafia team kill him. And to the clue link from malongo, im not really sure what aristocracy of money means but for the rest of the first bold sentence i feel that is a huge strech. And im not decafchickens friend  And the bold part number two. That has to be a clue to johhnyspaz, i mean he gets turn into a pincushion. And he has a picture of sonic the hedgehog. Basically this is his only scum hunting effort in the game. Again, his filter was super short, but the thing that I noticed is the lack of scumhunting compared to his other town games.
But I missed something big in my meta analysis.. That is, sidesprang was scum in the original Shadowed game.
Scum in Shadowed MafiaOn February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote:Lol wtf game started today afterall. Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit. Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote:Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ? On February 04 2014 12:29 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:25 jaybrundage wrote:On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote:Lol wtf game started today afterall. Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit. On February 04 2014 09:47 jaybrundage wrote:Jonny as you have had alot of experience with Balla as scum how would you say he plays as a scum player. Whats his tells if you will Guess your not in the database either huh jonny XD If your gonna compile your games you might as well make a post in the mafia database with them listed and a quick review :o Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ? Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really. Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on. What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts? What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything? Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?) Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post? Firstly its Sidesprang, not sidesprung or whatever else ppl think it is. I don't mind Balla voting for LM, because I think if he keeps on playing like this he will hopefully be easy to read. As for why he voted I dont really agree with. LM's stance on koshi's "plan" is kinda like mine. Judge people based on content not number of posts, and also only reason to lynch lurkers is if there are no better options available. I liked your response, you had a reason for asking it and you had logic backing it up. Answer felt honest. Tho I do not agree with your logic. It's nice and all generating discussion, but I dont think going over ppl's meta this early is wise. As I think it would be harder to use meta against players if it's been discussed in thread first. The whole suki / jonny deal requires more thought if I wanna read something out of it. Aka atm I don't really know, and I will read more up on that tomorrow when I got better time. I got some people whom I feel are playing protown atm, but I see no reason sharing townreads at this point. I don't have scumreads atm, tho I got a bit interested in Suki since she disliked your post. A post I liked cause you are doing what I think you should be doing with lurkers (get them to post, so you can read them, not lynch them blindly). People should post enough to be readable and enough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number. his first two posts in the game. Basically... He doesn't spend time on policy talk and he starts hunting right away. So yeah. Taking this into account my case on sidesprang doesn't hold any water. Based on the games that I linked in my original post, I think that my conclusions were reasonable - policy talk in his scum game and scum hunting in his town games. But taking into account the previous Shadowed game where he was scum it's obvious he's changed (read improved) his scum game quite a bit. Anyways, I suppose I'm null on sidesprang for now. I'll take a closer look at him later.
But the way she does it is humble, she doesn't try to stick up for it at all when she realizes how off it is, and actually gives reasoning why it was bad. In contrast, if you remember Koshi's case from last game, when he realized it was bad it was more like "shit yeah this was bad sorry guys peace!" trying to sweep it under the rug.
I'm probably one of the few, but I think that suki's trolling and roleplaying and all that is actually more indicative of a town player. They are more likely to be happy and care-free and attempt to have fun. Now i'm not saying this couldn't come from a scum player who is good at the game (like suki is), but I believe a scum player would be much more serious in attempting to fit in right away with the town, trying to scum hunt, trying to be pro-town etc.
Beyond that I see real attempts at trying to figure out other's alignments, and a curiosity, almost more fierce then anybody else in this game. She has 7 pages of filter already for crying out loud. It's reminiscent of a town koshi, town rayn type player.
Questionables
Everybody else is rather questionable.
I'm getting tired of sidesprang's dissapearing acts. He does this way too much. From the little he has posted he leans town-null. He wants to dispell attacks on him. Hes sharing his opinions on people more freely then last game. It's good.
Lonemeow is playing similar to last game, where I thought he was scum, but he was town... sooooo...... we'll see about him. He posted a lot today, which is good in comparison to last game and the games i've read of him. That means he is somewhat motivated to play this game. We've seen him shut down in a scum game, and he's expressed his hatred for playing scum, so that bodes well for him.
Jaybrundage started off bad pretty bad and since then he hasn't been amazing, but when he explained what was going through his head at the time of the shitstorm in the beginning, it kind of makes sense from a town perspective like others were saying. Lots of OMGUS which is annoying, but maybe it's because all the scum are picking on him so he can't even get anything else out before he is attacked again. And in all seriousness, he isn't actually thinking like me at all. So we'll see what that means at the end I guess lol.
Finally....
##vote Jonnylaw
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My opinion of them has not changed since I last commented on them. I recently commented on Oatsmaster. They both fit the questionable category obviously otherwise I would have elaborated on them more thoroughly. I would say oats is right in the middle for me. Koshi is leaning town.
I'll give some updated thoughts on Koshi though, since while my opinion of him might not have changed, it's been a while since I commented and he has posted plenty. Essentially Koshi is posting a lot, but there isn't really much. When I try to think about what Koshi has done beyond the early game, I don't remember anything, so that's bad. But looking at him, I don't really know much about what he's thinking beyond the fact that he really really thinks JL & JB are scum. That kind of conviction is ok, but it's also important to know more about what you think of the rest of the town.
Oh and one more note about suki: the only real thing that i'm wary about is the fact that she is so eager to have fun when it comes to me. It scares me because there's always the possibility that she is trying to play to my emotions and pocket me. The obvious answer however, is that she's just having fun like me, so I'll go with that for now. Just know that I AM thinking about it.
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On February 08 2014 15:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
man meta isnt so cut and dry IMO.
Where is johnny's case.
What are you referring to in the first sentence?
At this point I don't even care about the case, i'm more worried about where jonny is in general T_T
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On February 08 2014 15:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sidesprang actually.
Care to explain then? I really don't know what you're talking about.
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On February 08 2014 17:27 JonnyLaw wrote:
Hi guys. We had a new implementation explode as I was supposed to leave. Eight hours later I'm coming to make a case. Fielding questions. Otherwise reading filters.
Sounds rough, welcome back. Unfortunately I'm going to sleep. I just have one question: Do you stand by everything drunk Jonny said last night? Goodnight y'all!
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On February 09 2014 00:16 suki wrote:
Does it bother you that EVERYONE is suspicious of Jonny Koshi?
No. Enough time has passed with the cases out there where Jonny has not responded adequately that I would seriously expect some bussing at this point. If Jonny has been as inactive with his mafia mates as he has been in the thread then It's totally reasonable.
On February 08 2014 17:49 JonnyLaw wrote:
Uhh I called you scum? that's about it. No but I'm still not convinced. I don't have any clear town votes yet.
koshi, slam and lm for scum. koshi for content and lm slam for lurking.
rest neutral. i'm bad at finding town. i can find scum though.
This isn't all that I was talking about. I was talking about your "defense" against me, your accusation that JayB is scum, your response to suki on something. Because if that's really your defense against my early case then we still have problems.
On February 09 2014 03:00 Coagulation wrote:I dont give a shit. after having hosts trying to ban me for using it in tlmafia ban thread then you guys dont deserve it. you dont like it then I cant wait to see you explain in tlbanlist that i should be banned for not playing to my win condition cause I wouldnt post a fucking image macro when im town.
Hi Coag welcome to the game. A note that your spot is suspected to be scum already. Therefore, what do you make of Jonnylaw, Koshi and Jaybrundage, the top 3 lynch candidates today.
+ Show Spoiler +
I will not be using the seal for my reads for any reason
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On February 09 2014 03:24 Coagulation wrote:
mang I dunno i got a ton of reading to catch up on. Im not even sure I fully understand the whole 2 game setup significance.
can you explain it to me like im 5?
The two games are unrelated beyond the initial players in the first game. Everybody on this game shadowed them, so we just watched what they were doing and asked questions about what they were doing.
After that, the players in the first game became our coaches in this game. So you should be assigned Slam's coach and have a QT with him. Beyond that, the 2 games are independent. Alignments were rerolled etc. This game should be treated as any other normal game (just know that most people here have an emphasis on learning), just that you have a coach too like a newbie game.
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On February 09 2014 03:27 Koshi wrote:
I am not a lynch candidate for today. seriously...
Welcome Coag. You should post the seal in a scumgame and get it over with.
You are too. Just because scummy people want you to be lynched does not mean that you will not be pushed. Therefore, it is important to give his opinion on you, a lynch candidate. He may also choose to bring up a new candidate if he wishes, but I doubt he has time to read all that and make a case and push it.
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On February 09 2014 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2014 01:57 Toadesstern wrote:Votecount: JonnyLaw ( 6 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der jaybrundage ( 2 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, jaybrundage Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage, JonnyLaW
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24 Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage Sidesprang ( 0 ) : Oatsmaster 1 people who haven't voted yet: Sidesprang With 6 votes JonnyLaw is set to be lynched
Deadline on Saturday, Feb 08 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks. I should teach my excel sheet some grammar... "1 people" sounds awkward suki's a lynch candidate too right balla?
If you guys want her to be, then post a case. I think she's town and I already shared why. I am not making any associative connections until Jonny flips scum though which I would assume is what you are getting at.
On February 09 2014 03:35 Koshi wrote:
The big post on how we should lynch the blueclaim from suki.
Did we like it?
The thing about the blue claim is that... it's a terrible claim, unfortunately. But you're right, suki not taking into account that it might be true and thus the implications of lynching jayb is bad.
Honestly, when I first read the "claim", my thought that it was an attempt to breadcrumb being blue so that he could use it later on when he actually claims something. There was no reason to claim blue at all for him at that point, and if you're breadcrumbing then you should be bread-crumbing your role IMO. Plus breadcrumbs should be impossible to find without explanation.
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On February 09 2014 03:57 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 03:42 Balla24 wrote:On February 09 2014 03:35 Koshi wrote:
The big post on how we should lynch the blueclaim from suki.
Did we like it? The thing about the blue claim is that... it's a terrible claim, unfortunately. But you're right, suki not taking into account that it might be true and thus the implications of lynching jayb is bad. Honestly, when I first read the "claim", my thought that it was an attempt to breadcrumb being blue so that he could use it later on when he actually claims something. There was no reason to claim blue at all for him at that point, and if you're breadcrumbing then you should be bread-crumbing your role IMO. Plus breadcrumbs should be impossible to find without explanation. First off, I don't see it as a claim. What are you going to do if Jay comes back later and says 'It wasn't a claim, it was a figure of speech and I didn't realize that it was a soft blue claim when I posted it'? Also like I said, I'm certain that Jay is scum, and I'm willing to give Jonny a second chance. Blue claims aren't a free get out of jail ticket. Everyone just brushes over all my posts about Jay's contradictions with a magic 'oh he kinda blue claimed' sweeper when the evidence is right there laid out in front of you. Just like you guys don't see Jay as completely scummy as I do, I don't see Jonny as completely scummy the way you do. What if Jonny claimed blue right now? Would you be like omg we can't lynch him today? If your answer is you'd still lynch him then you see where I'm coming from.
This is why I asked already. The fact that he ignored it makes me think what I was thinking already.
Don't get me wrong here Suki. I'm lynching Jonny because I think he's the better lynch then Jay. NOT because jay claimed blue. I'm not giving jonny a second chance because he has already had one and he blue it (hueuhehue).
On the other hand, I don't like your initial post about Jonny V Jay for a few reasons:
On February 09 2014 00:11 suki wrote:
I just can't get over my read on Jay. He's scum to me through and through. Even before he started blowing up at me his attitude just didn't make sense and didn't fit with his town play. People give him the pass for 'making changes' but they never explain why these changes make it more likely that he's town.
If it's between Jonny and Jay, then I'll push Jay.
Jonny's case on Koshi based on the early gameis so bad. His continued use of the previous game to provide examples is stupid. However if I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was working and he's short on time, then it's easier to accept that his cases are bad. At least he's pushing cases, giving reads freely, being upfront.
Contrast it with Jay's behavior. Yes, I am tunneling Jay. I'm just so damn sure of him. I don't buy his blue 'claim' at all (true-blue townie? what kind of stupid claim is that). How is it that Jay's been here so much more than Jonny and yet he's the one that has less scum-hunting activity?
Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Fuck.
I am willing to give Jonny a second chance. His cases that he made are bad but that's no reason to fault him, at least he made cases, posted opinions and pushed the person he thought was scummy.
What is Jay doing? Jonny came in and had no problems making a shitty case on Koshi just now yet I ask Jay why he thinks Koshi is scum and he dodges hard and later says 'Koshi is null'. Jay can't even stick to his own guns.
Look at the votes in the thread. EVERYONE is on Jonny. Everyone. But there's so much hesitation with Jay.
Face it, Jonny's the easy (mis)lynch target and not because he's been playing scummy, but because he has a few tweaks to his game that are suspicious (such as not flaming people for excuses, not commenting on Jay), because he's been away and because his cases are horrible.
BUT he is OBJECTIVELY (yes Oats, Objectively) doing more pro-town things than Jay.
Arrghghghghgh.
1. Because you don't consider the blue claim hard. I like that you have a followup and have actually thought about it though, but that should have been important in this post.
2. Because you're calling Jonny more townie for stuff that you called Jay scummy for earlier.
3. I don't agree at all with the fact that Jonny is "pushing cases" and "sharing reads freely". Why do you think jonny is doing this better than jay? I think they are both doing a pretty terrible job of both.
4. Jonny and jay have had multiple chances to redeem themselves. Jonny has failed MUCH harder than jay has. MUCH MUCH MUCH harder.
There's just so much stuff in here that I just straight up disagree with.
On February 09 2014 04:10 Coagulation wrote:
##vote JonnyLaw
Why? You can't just say nothing.
On February 09 2014 04:13 suki wrote:
It's so frustrating. Even Balla said my meta case was good but won't address my points specifically.
I get focusing on your most scummy target... So whatever. I guess I'll just wait until after the lynch and see what everyone says then when Jonny is out of the picture.
I thought your meta case was good, but I also have a meta case on Jonny that you thought was good as well, so you're really going to fault me for that?
I think Jonny is scummier than jay. Simple as that. Go back to my huge post to see exactly what my logic is.
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On February 09 2014 04:28 suki wrote:Show nested quote +Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Explain to me the townie mindset for Jay's non-deliverance of his super scum hunting attitude at the beginning of the game.
I don't disagree. But I also see ANY versions of jaybrundage becoming super demotivated in this game from starting at like the very beginning of day1 being called scum and there being relentless aggression. So I believe it to be a null point.
Suki can you share your unbiased thoughts on Jonnylaw WITHOUT comparison to Jaybrundage?
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On February 09 2014 05:45 suki wrote:
I dont oppose this lynch, I just provided this because Balla asked for it. I tried to be unbiased in my conclusions, looking at Jonny's actions from both a scum and town viewpoint.
I think a short-on-time scum Jonny can play a game exactly like this. But I also think a short-on-time town Jonny can also play a game like this.
The reason i'm using the activity thing as a point against Jonny and NOT jaybrundage is simply because of the fact that I have soooooo much more exp with Jonny then jaybrundage.
You were in NMM1: so you I'm sure you can see the similarities here, although I believe I am pushing Jonny MUCH harder then he was pushing me. I am very active as town, jonny calls me out when i'm scum for being inactive, i try to brush it off as RL but I can never really get back into it. Here it's similar, though he had a much better thread presence early on, probably due to stuff happening at a much faster rate this game.
I don't have the same situation/game to look at.
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