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On February 11 2014 10:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 09:00 marvellosity wrote:
The central accusation that rayn and I made against Wave still stands, specifically his non-attitude towards the main wagon in Cora + the stuff surrounding that.
Also how post-lynch he is "well i had my vote on scum and i know it" to "I'm dropping this now because you guys say so" even though that didn't stop him at all before. Are you not reading the thread or something?
Now as far as Cora goes, I was suspicious of him early on in the game and dropped it in favour of Koshi. He was my number 2 but I was pushing Koshi so I left Cora to the wayside. By the time he seriously came up again and the lynch was going strong, I was already long gone.
Post-lynch stuff re: Cora you can go ahead and hold against me if you want, but as scum I don't think there's any reason to even bother saying that kind of thing. As town I always get my thoughts out into thread however inane they may be so that I am easy to read. Again, you know this.
As far as dropping Koshi, this goes back to being ignored. Nobody seriously looked at anything I wrote (aside from maybe Holy?) and nobody ever gave me proper explanation despite me pushing things for an entire day, so rather than continue to shit up the thread with something that the entire thread STILL seems to be resisting, I dropped attempting to push it. Is there something anti-town about realizing that continually attempting to cram something down everyone's throats isn't working? Is there a point at which I could have given it up that WOULDN'T have looked scummy to you?
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On February 11 2014 10:26 marvellosity wrote:
for someone redacting things about me, you sure know how to be a total dickhead yourself
Sticks and stones, but I'll back down in the interest of the thread. You know what I think and I'll leave it at that.
Now if we're going to talk about the game let's continue. Ask whatever you need of me here, and I'll ask one from you:
Who should I be voting for?
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On February 11 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, if you hadn't given it up in a manner of going "lol you guys are wrong i had my vote on mafia" ---> "not gonna pursue this anymore"
That doesn't feel very natural.
I didn't say 'lol you guys are wrong.'
I didn't rub it in anyone's face, I am just somewhat satisfied I had my vote on who I believe to be scum on D1. (And incidentally didn't contribute to lynching town). I did the same thing after being right about VE in shadow, didn't rub it in anyone's face, talked about what I probably would have done.
Getting my thoughts across to thread. Nothing unnatural about it.
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On February 11 2014 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't think there is any reason to do this line-up as mafia unless there is 1 mafia of the 3 so it is an important lynch imo. Would they risk killing off 1 at the cost of 2 unlynchable strong players? doubtful
I disagree as per reasons I outlined above.
This is the only way mafia get guaranteed kills.
If you do believe this however, which of the three is scum?
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On February 11 2014 10:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 11 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, if you hadn't given it up in a manner of going "lol you guys are wrong i had my vote on mafia" ---> "not gonna pursue this anymore"
That doesn't feel very natural. I didn't say 'lol you guys are wrong.' I didn't rub it in anyone's face, I am just somewhat satisfied I had my vote on who I believe to be scum on D1. (And incidentally didn't contribute to lynching town). I did the same thing after being right about VE in shadow, didn't rub it in anyone's face, talked about what I probably would have done. Getting my thoughts across to thread. Nothing unnatural about it. Any townie thinks they have their vote on scum Day 1. It's just such a non-point because it's only irrelevant if you're twiddling your thumbs on some other wagon while barely commenting on the main one.
I would have had plenty to comment on had I been able to be around and I tried to get that point across.
Are we going to try and lynch me again because I have deadline issues? You know how much I love that.
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On February 11 2014 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't think there is any reason to do this line-up as mafia unless there is 1 mafia of the 3 so it is an important lynch imo. Would they risk killing off 1 at the cost of 2 unlynchable strong players? doubtful :/ Dat feels when your strongest scumread says something you agree with. Ugh.
Wat you too?
Alright same question I asked VA then.
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Marv did you read what I wrote about geript at all?
And also responding to HF a while ago about 'not having conclusions' to my dive of Grack makes me realize he has avoided answering me.
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On February 11 2014 10:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 10:41 marvellosity wrote:On February 11 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 11 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, if you hadn't given it up in a manner of going "lol you guys are wrong i had my vote on mafia" ---> "not gonna pursue this anymore"
That doesn't feel very natural. I didn't say 'lol you guys are wrong.' I didn't rub it in anyone's face, I am just somewhat satisfied I had my vote on who I believe to be scum on D1. (And incidentally didn't contribute to lynching town). I did the same thing after being right about VE in shadow, didn't rub it in anyone's face, talked about what I probably would have done. Getting my thoughts across to thread. Nothing unnatural about it. Any townie thinks they have their vote on scum Day 1. It's just such a non-point because it's only irrelevant if you're twiddling your thumbs on some other wagon while barely commenting on the main one. Seriously, I can't get over this. "I think i had my vote on scum day 1"? Just wow. No fucking kidding if you're town.
Fine marv, so if you're going to lynch me based on the fact that I couldn't come back and say 'Cora looks scummy too but the wagon is super easy so I'd rather lynch Koshi' when it was relevant then so be it.
But at least call it what it is then, an activity lynch.
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On February 11 2014 10:48 marvellosity wrote:
It's nothing to do with an activity lynch, very little of what I've said on you has been based on activity, so stop trying to represent it as such.
If you're trying to get me lynched because of that part of my post, then that is what you're saying, because I was trying to get thoughts across that I couldn't get across at the time. Are there other things you're trying to get me lynched for?
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Alright marv, digging through. This is the only thing I foudn that we haven't talked about already. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
On February 11 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote:I'm not much of a fan of how his read on Koshi(VA) developed. I think I pointed out a post on Day 1. Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
No you know what?
Reading that made me angry at VA's contribution level. And whenever I get angry at VA's contribution level he's town, without fail.
That's where I stand on that.
##Vote: Koshi
"VA looks town because he's bad, therefore I will vote Koshi" His thing where your "buddying" of me felt bad also raised my eyebrows. And his VE attitude & interactions... He does this after literally talking about Koshi non-stop for the last century. Why? Because VE didn't answer his questions. Wave and VE have a kind of thang going on which makes this hard to assess. But given whatever their thang is, I find it quite odd that he's willing to throw a vote on VE because VE hasn't answered him yet? He then drops it because he apparently found an answer from VE that he'd missed. Then VE is kinda left behind and Wave goes back to only talking about Koshi/VA etc.
To me Koshi and VA were inexorably intertwined on D1 because of their focus on each other, so it and other people talking about him made me want to go look at VA. My townread on VA is a little weaker now but his play fits way more consistently with his townplay than scum,. After reading VA's filter I moved back to my earlier scumread. Simple as that.
We already talked about Rayn/marv 'buddying' exhaustively.
As for VE, already mentioned that I wasn't getting townfeels from him and considering how this game has been for me regarding being ignored, I was losing my patience enough to randomly drop my vote and place it onto somebody else I felt could maybe be scum to pressure him. It worked and I got to talk with him, and my own mistakes were corrected. As per above my vote was moved back to Koshi especially as it gained support from VA who I recently read as town, and VE who I recently talked with.
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On February 11 2014 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote:On February 11 2014 10:55 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 11 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:On February 11 2014 10:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 11 2014 10:51 marvellosity wrote:On February 11 2014 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 11 2014 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't think there is any reason to do this line-up as mafia unless there is 1 mafia of the 3 so it is an important lynch imo. Would they risk killing off 1 at the cost of 2 unlynchable strong players? doubtful :/ Dat feels when your strongest scumread says something you agree with. Ugh. Which 3 players would you expect to be nominated if you thought it would be an all-town lynch? something sloppier. like marv/grack/wave now that would be a good nomination and be something i would do. this nomination is garbage and I would never do that if im mafia pretty much clears me. I wasn't asking you. Why is this nomination garbage btw? obvious, boring, gets rid of a good player Your attitude very much implies that you think the nominees are all town. The nomination is only garbage if it is indeed "obvious, boring, gets rid of a good player" The nominations are clearly not obvious and boring if one of the players is mafia. Bad Vayne. alright so im town glad we cleared that up
And right as I write about how I think VA is town he does this.
It's not the 'scumslip' that gives me pause, it's this post.
VA knows what people (or at the very least what I) think of him---'if VA looks scummy he town, if he looks towny he scum.'
He KNOWS this very well and there have been scumgames where he announces he's playing to his known meta to throw people off (as well as always talking about how much he changes his meta though for the most part he keeps it pretty much the same).
If anything the blatant meta references loses VA townpoints from me.
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On February 11 2014 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi might be scum, i can't believe he is this dumb he thinks one of us might be scum. like srsly?
I'm going to say this once, and once only.
If Koshi flips scum and anyone DARES take credit for it, I will not be held responsible for my actions.
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Yeah a lot of people had 'stuff,' but you can't tell me this doesn't feel like Shadow all over again when people were shutting us down about scum being on Sandroba.
VE PLEASE be town.
I think I need you this game.
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On February 11 2014 11:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah a lot of people had 'stuff,' but you can't tell me this doesn't feel like Shadow all over again when people were shutting us down about scum being on Sandroba.
VE PLEASE be town.
I think I need you this game. ^ see that's why WoS is town. He was sucking up to me like this when I died in WCII and I was also on rayn.
Yeah because in WCII I was left alive by myself in a town of morons.
I hated that game.
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On February 11 2014 11:10 marvellosity wrote:
yeh same.
I had a post directed at you earlier marv, you said there was other stuff you found me scum for, which I commented on.
Do you have anything to say about it?
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On February 11 2014 11:11 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not implying anything, I've outlined why your contradiction makes you mafia and there's nothing you can say to get out of it, frankly.
Except for what my role PM says, of course. Just because god-marv says it doesn't make it so.
I really have no idea where you've gotten this attitude that you're completely infallible from. It's so unbelievably frustrating to deal with.
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On February 11 2014 11:12 marvellosity wrote:
not atm Wave, going to leave off interacting with you about my scumread on you at least, I need to concentrate on more than just you.
Fine that's fair.
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On February 11 2014 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:Oh cool Vayne took a dive. Is this enough to confirm me as town? Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
in my scenario, grack most likely gets lynched 100% as town but yuo can't fully trust the other 2.
Grack answer my question in my post about you.
I'll be back shortly.
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On February 11 2014 11:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 11:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 11 2014 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:Oh cool Vayne took a dive. Is this enough to confirm me as town? On February 11 2014 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
in my scenario, grack most likely gets lynched 100% as town but yuo can't fully trust the other 2. Grack answer my question in my post about you. I'll be back shortly. What was the question?
Post is here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=57#1124
And yeah marv you and I clearly need to break up for a while.
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On February 11 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will also give you 2 scum as soon as the nominations are up.
Did you ever do this?
I see Koshi and Oats.
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