EPT[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!
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marv, you made this post: On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote: The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically. Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off. Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that. So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people. In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off? That being said i like his recent posting much more. Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are: 1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town" 2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare." | ||
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You have seriously commented on three things (Artanis' scumclaim, DP's rage and townread on iamp) which two of them are not even alignment indicative based on your posting.. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:19 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think about artanis' scum claim? I don't think it's alignment indicative at all. marv, wtf are you doing? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:19 DarthPunk wrote: As to prome. Yeah the pushing the asleep people was fucking weird, and I had not noticed his lack of follow up on HF actually. Also it was weird how defensive he was about answering questions and promoting discussion with me and then he backflipped about it when I voted for him. I don't mind him pushing people based on process of elimination if that's the case. I find it impossible that he thinks "everyone posting so far (all people but me and Ceph) looks so town". | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:25 DarthPunk wrote: But you thought Jepg was suspicious for doing it on Vendetta strada. Why not artanis here? Because it's Artanis. I would not be surprised if he did that as town. We didn't even lynch jepg on D1.. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote: Look, both of you dopeydrawers. You gloated like morons that "marv was so easy to catch" in Shadow. Well, now this is a different game, so you should both be able to read my alignment super easily. So either you were bullshitting in Shadow, you're bullshitting here, or you're mafia, or some combination of the above. Which is it to be? ehh seriously man? Are you mad at me because i thought you ewre scum in a game i was obsing from N1 -> ??? No, i can't tell what your alignment is besed on your posting because you just.. idk.. fucking rage for some reason? | ||
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Make a case if you think the other one is mafia. | ||
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Tell me marv, what was more important in the thread than what i said? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:46 marvellosity wrote: How do I know? You just made some weird nitpicky thing about a post I made, and said Prome is mafia when he probably isn't. Very bleh. Yeah and you didn't even care to answer me. You said "mafia benefits from chaos and whatever shit", then you call DP out for it when it was clearly Holyflare who caused the thing in the first place. So yes, i want to know why it's only DP's "fault". And now you are being a bitch and doing the same thing here, and i have no fucking idea why. | ||
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Going afk until something that's not retarded happens. | ||
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Because he just is not. Do you think he would do this shit as mafia? This is like fucking begging to get shot. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:22 marvellosity wrote: Why rayn is probably mafia: Why even say this about Holy? What's the purpose? What does it tell the thread? Absolutely nothing, it's padding for the sake of looking like he's saying something. I made an extremely sensible post that it's almost impossible to argue with, and yet rayn spends his time picking at who I'm directing it to? Nooooo no. Naughty. I brought up Holyflare to clarify what i thought at that time and to clarify why i questioned you about your post. Personal but subjective, I think rayn would have got more out of my posting up to that point in the game. Ok, he's talking about Prome here. But look...! rayn had zero reads except... Prome! So why was it beyond rayn's belief in the last quote that Promethelax thought that everyone posting so far was town? No sense makey makey. Because there was not much alignment indicative stuff in thread -> it's imo impossible to think "all people who have posted are town" and THAT is an easy way to say something to look like you are contributing. If you can't see that idk what thread you are reading. Again, if you think there is something else i should comment on why don't you tell me what that something is? I also decided before the game that i am going to be more passive and not a usual shithead who jumps on all the places. Yes, i would do that as mafia aswell, but that does not mean i am mafia. Also, this is the perfect game to start because i don't give a fuck if you lynch me because i can just shoot mafia. This is just lol. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:38 marvellosity wrote: Only time I ever remember someone saying, on day 1, "these lurkers scum, everyone else townie" was Dunno why it's a mafia thing to say at all. There was no point clarifying what you thought. "he looked bad now he looks ok". Why bother saying it? Why did you need an "introduction" to pointlessly talking about my post? Na. Baddy. On Prome; It's a mafia thing to say because the reasoning for saying so is shit. On the second point; If you don't understand why i say something then i can't help you.  In the last couple of games i have been called out because i am not being clear enough. Here you call me mafia because i am trying to be clear. Fucking terrific. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote: bugs' reasoning was also non-existent. Doesn't make anyone mafia. I do not care about what Bugs' reasoning was because he is not here in this game. Maybe Prome will come here and tell me why everyone looks town in his opinion. The thing about Holyflare is that it does not matter if it was an "obvious joke" or not. He very clearly knew exactly how DarthPunk would react to what he said, probably regardless of his alignment. What you were saying was basically that there are two people clarly just throwing shit at each other for no reason, you call that anti-town, but you only call one of the people out for it. Yes, i find that fishy. Apparently you did not realize that Holyflare KNOWS what happens to DarthPunk when he does that. Anyways i am not interested in defending myself because there is nothing to defend. Why are Artanis & Wave scummy? | ||
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 It was not unreasonable to call for calm atmosphere. It was pro town. To me it seemed like you were accusing DarthPunk for shit atmosphere, when in fact Holyflare was as much to blame for it. Yes, later on Holyflare dropped it and that is one reason i am leaning more towards him being town. He was clearly trolling at the start of the game and when thread went shit because of it he dropped it and started making reasonable posts. However, at the time you made your post HF had not dropped it. Going into rage mode (which DP did) is in my opinion not as scummy as silently making people go into rage mode (which HF did). That is my opinion and if you disagree with me fine, then you do. If yo uthink it makes me scummy fine, then it makes me scummy for you. | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:02 marvellosity wrote: HF had nothing to drop... he made one joke post on meta and one seriousish early case that wasn't so great. What was Holy supposed to be "dropping"? The whole "let's bully DP" attitude. Come one man, it was quite obvious that was what he was doing. Also how can you call me mafia based on me saying "I think Prome is scum because he can't possibly think everyone who has posted is town" when you disagree with Prome in the first place as you said Artanis in your opinion has done nothing townie? | ||
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1) What i say is right, and Holyflare trolled DP (yes, even in his "serious" case), or 2) What you say is right and there was nothing to drop, which brings me to; Why did he then drop it? Why did he go after Wave and Prome if there was nothing to drop? | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:15 marvellosity wrote: If your accusation on him had included "but I think x or y (in this case Artanis) aren't townie, how can he think this" then I'd be more sympathetic, but you didn't say that - you made it into a general point, and as a general point it's meaningless. How does me thinking someone who has posted might be mafia have anything to do with if Prome's argument is legit or not? Obviously, as i disagree with him, i think there are/were people who did not look townie. Yes, one of them is Artanis. Another one was you at that time. Although Prome explained his read on you, he said what Artanis did was not alignment indicative, and that's all Artanis has done. | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:16 marvellosity wrote: Because he decided DP wasn't so scummy and other people were? :OOOOOOOO And you know this how? Did Holyflare ever say so? Because i must have missed it if he did. | ||
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On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote: Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view? Please explain how my conclusions are wrong. Actually he hasn't even dropped it. It's in the sidelines in his post about Prome. | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:33 marvellosity wrote: Yes, and my point is there was zero reason for the post you dopily critiqued should have been aimed at Holy, because he only made one troll meta case. In no universe should I be telling Holy anything when all he did was make a joke case. It was purely DP getting upset and threatening to do irrational things, so my post was aimed at him. I'm confused how you could get that so mixed up. yes you are right because i missed the small paragraph about DP in his post on Prome. | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:33 marvellosity wrote: Anyways I'm not interested in talking about you or your alignment anymore because it won't go anywhere. I'm interested in what you have to say about Holy if you'd like to tell me though. It's the way he posts on page 18. After you and iamp disagree with his case on DP, he makes a big post about Prome. But at the top of the post there is a small paragraph about his case on DP. He does not really seem to want to argue with you or iamp about his case (which he apparently still believes is good - and that's why it makes very little sense to NOT argue about it). After his case on Prome he makes another big post about Wave, which ends up in voting for him. To me it feels like he does not want to argue about his case on DP with you or iamp, but he does not want to drop the case either. And instead he "hides" his disagreement with you into two posts where he also changes his target (but he is still able to bring DP up later if needed). The case on DP somehow fades away but it does not really fade.. if you get what i mean. | ||
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On February 04 2014 21:44 marvellosity wrote: How do you feel about the content of the cases themselves on Prome and Wave? Prome: I don't find the strategy talk scummy. In fact when Prome pointed out the "let's shoot the top 2 read and make them shoot #1 scum" thingy made me feel iffy about DP. I don't get what HF is saying there. I liked the point on "I feel better about lynching Cephiro" HF brought up. It makes no sense to me for Prome to want to lynch Cephiro over me for some reason if he thinks at least one of us must be mafia and neither of us have posted. I don't get the "mindset" argument. Wave: I also found it odd that Wave agreed with Artanis' claim thing and then didn't really have evidence to back it up althoguh he implied so. I do not like the meta points he brings up against Wave, especially after Shadow game where i felt like Wave was wishy washy as fuck (sorry wave ^^) on D1, and imo he usually acts the same way. I don't get how you can make a meta argument against someone who has played scum once, like 9 months ago.. | ||
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On February 04 2014 08:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah. My idea was that we should lynch the person we think is the second likeliest to be scum and tell him to shoot the person we think is likeliest to be scum. If he doesn't agree then he's claiming scum. Problem with this is that part of the fun in this game is to shoot who you want to shoot and I'm not prepared to sacrifice that so I'm kinda against my own plan. Bit of an objectively best plan vs most fun kinda deal. On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote: one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. ehhh.. Aren't the bolded parts the same thing? If Prome had thought these things pre-game as he says why did he not agree with Artanis in the first place instead of asking people if they think Artanis' scumclaim is alignment indicative? | ||
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I have a hard time following what you are trying to say there. | ||
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On February 04 2014 22:51 marvellosity wrote: I don't understand the connection between the two things. Basically, Artanis' point is good. If we lynch our #2 scumread and make them shoot #1 scumread, they "confirm" themselves as town in case town's #1 scumread is mafia, right? Therefore we know the alignment of the lynched player in case the #1 scumread flips scum. If they are both town, then it's a shame and we just fucked up on our reads but the same thing would happen regardless. If they are both scum i doubt mafia would shoot another mafia because that's just fucking dumb. What Prome suggests is essentially the same thing, unless he is saying we should lynch someone who might be mafia but is not in town's top 2 scumreads. If that's the case the suggestion is really fucking dumb in the first place. So in my opinion he is saying the same thing Artanis did, or his suggestion is scummy as hell. | ||
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1) Artanis makes a lynch plan Prome assumedly finds pro-town. 2) Instead of commenting on that, or implying he finds this alignment indicative (more on that later) he posts this: On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote: marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Now what's the motivation behind this post? Is it to find out more about Artanis? No, because Prome states his own opinion. Is to find out more about your (marv's) alignment? I find it hard to believe so, because why would he ask the question this way (give an answer) if he wanted to find out more about you marv. The only reason i can come up with is "hey what do you think so i know if i can use that against Artanis later on if needed". 3) After this Prome makes a same sort of plan (in different words) than Artanis made on step (1). Based on (2) i would think if someone comes up with a same like of suggestion you find pro town, you would give him town credit for it. Therefore it makes even less sense to me he asks you about if Artanis' scumclaim is alignment indicative or not (not to mention he himself does not find it alignment indicative). | ||
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On February 04 2014 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote: You know, I can actually picture you saying this sentence now. No, that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is HF's meta case makes some degree of sense only because he is comparing this game to my very last (which isn't a great comparison to begin with). He isn't trying to compare this game to my scumgame 9 months ago---so he is technically right when he says i am playing differently this game as compared to my last. The problem is, that doesn't make me scummy in the slightest. No amount of wishy-washiness or lack thereof will do so either. But my point is I never defended you. I was saying the exact same thing you are saying here. That making a meta case on you based on what HF said is shit. | ||
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On February 04 2014 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm talking mostly about your second and third points here. As for the first, I could see it as a post basically telling HF to not purposefully enrage DP and his thoughts wandered from there. Posts being pointless does not equal scum, you should be well aware of that. no. | ||
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On February 04 2014 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote: You know, I can actually picture you saying this sentence now. No, that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is HF's meta case makes some degree of sense only because he is comparing this game to my very last (which isn't a great comparison to begin with). He isn't trying to compare this game to my scumgame 9 months ago---so he is technically right when he says i am playing differently this game as compared to my last. The problem is, that doesn't make me scummy in the slightest. No amount of wishy-washiness or lack thereof will do so either. And also yes, your play is more comparable to what i read in Shadow game than what i have witnessed in other games you have been in lately. In Shadow game, as in this game on D1 you did not stand out as much as you have in other games, for example 4 Persona and Thug Life (i don't remember much of NWM). In those games, to me, you looked far more aggressive and emotional in comparsion to this and Shadow game. | ||
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On February 05 2014 00:01 Cephiro wrote: I felt like I'd let everyone know I am around and will be providing my insight, whether you'll find it useful or not. I've read the threat enough to know that there are people doubting about my level of participation, even at the first 6-12 hours of the game part which was night and morning my time, so I wanted to let everyone know I am not going to just lurk. Make what you want out of that. I just felt it would be better for me to say something rather than be quiet and keep you guessing if I'll play or not. well this is not useful in the slightest.. | ||
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On February 05 2014 00:09 marvellosity wrote: Obviously it's not useful, but what else is there to say about it? Just wait and see what he posts later. If you remember what happened in LXII was that nearly every time Cephiro posted was to tell he will post later on.. But yes, you are right. | ||
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On February 05 2014 00:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You might be right because I'm getting confused with specific wording. My point was simply that I considered point 2 and 3 non alignment indicative. That's all there is to it. I reread regarding point 1 and Rayn's answer and find his answer lacking. It's a bad open and together with the inconsistency I would consider him smelly. How is my answer lacking? I don't even know what you are talking about. | ||
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On February 05 2014 00:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Clarifying your position when you hadn't even entered the thread yet feels unnecessary. And if you felt there wasn't much alignment indicative things in the thread yet, why did you have a problem with Promethelax' post? I have already explained my stance on HF's post and marv regarding it. If you think trying to be clear is a scumtell then.. idk what to think. ehh.. Because there was not much alignment indicative things yet Promethelax somehow considered everyone town and by that reasoned a scumread on people who had not posted yet.. What's wrong with that? | ||
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On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote: Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave. I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify: Do you think DP is mafia or not? | ||
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On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote: I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not. umm.. On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote: Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view? Please explain how my conclusions are wrong. Okay then what do you mean by the bolded part? What i read is you tell your case on DP is good and ask Wave why does he not agree with it, no? | ||
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This comment of yours: When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does. That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did. But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP? | ||
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On February 05 2014 04:21 Holyflare wrote: That's what i'm referring to. My case on wave was him not making sense and my case on prome (regardless of whether his cephiro mislynch post was a joke or not) was that he was lynching lurkers (cephiro over you rayn for no reason). So your first posts of the game looked really fishy to me as they were so close to what I had already said. DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is. Okay, but my case on Prome was not the same things you said. I did not say "he wants to lynch lurkers", i said he can't possibly justify townreads on other people based on what has happened in thread. I also do not think you talked about his stance on you in your case. Unless you meant the one half arsed comment he made about you after that? Then my apologies but you were not being clear enough. I was talking about the fact that he wanted other people to talk more about you but never really seemed to have any interest in doing so or leading the discussion that way. | ||
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Other people seem more or less town. | ||
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Post Wave's comeback he said pretty much nothing and suddenly had a scumread on me based on me "doing nothing"??? Artanis' posts were just.. terrible. | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:21 marvellosity wrote: Are you telling me Artanis is town? If so, explain. confirmed bad. | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:24 LSB wrote: Yeah I don't get the artanis is scum because he is not taking the game seriously meta. If anything it puts more townie points for me. Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now Uhh.. You need to ealborate more on this because i don't think this is true. | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote: What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread. Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Im around for a bit but after last game I'm pretty bored of talking to people I read as townie who think I'm scum for bad reasons. In short the reasons for people being town: Marv: meta. His tone and interest are in direct contrast to his play as scum ever. I can't show it to you because it is present in every post. Either you believe that I know how to read Marv based on his tone or you don't. However, I can and because I value my reputation on this site I would never commit to a read this heavily unless I was sure. I am very sure. Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town. Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town. DP: all the rage, it seems like genuine towniedp rage. DP plays a smart game of scum and screaming and kicking is a good way to get shot while at the same time ruining his chances of being listened to as a thread leader. Also I disagree with most/all of what he is saying which, counter-intuitively, makes him seem townie to me. In the past scum DP has tried to fit into thread and say similar things to townies and since he is not doing that I think he is town. I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum. I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask. This is not true. marv does not reason his arguments as mafia and he is more of an asshole than he is as town. | ||
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2) There is a purpose in my posts. You have not asked me anything about any of my posts and saying "any of your posts have no purpose" is a straight out lie. Why don't you ask me something then if you are unsure? Insead fo doing so you just keep with this "rayn does not feel town" crap that is (1)unjustified and (2)not explained and therefore fishy. 3) I don't need to prove you wrong, because you are not literally "wrong", but you are not acting townie in any way because you are not being clear. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. Yes in fact i said so after the last shadow podcast and all of you three were. I said, "because now we will have a game where people are actually good i am going to be more laid back and reasonable and not just try to drive the discussion" because I ACTUALLY CAN DO SO as the players are not total retards. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro. There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit. | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. Why is this more likely to come from a townie than from mafia? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok you sort of answered the post that came after this one. 1) Is there some point in this game that you are going to take up a stance? We're what, almost 36h in? Again, this may be a different style for you, but you're not me. I don't seem to recall you ever having trouble calling people scum or taking hard stances in any game, IML or not. 2) I'm going with feels this game; I don't honestly care if you think my stuff is crap, fishy or unjustified. I will however pay attention to your posting a little more going forward and consider the point of asking you going forward---much easier to do this mid-conversation than going back and trying to ask you why you made certain posts. 3) You do need to prove me wrong if you're going to attempt to start calling me scum, if that's where you're going with the suspicion in your post earlier. Hey, I'll ask you now. What is the purpose behind this post? 1) Yes and in case you have not noticed i have already taken a stance, BEFORE you called me out for not taking a stance. tsk tsk 2) Well then my read on you stands because "feels" is not reasoning as noone can ever answer you. 3) I have already said why i think you are mafia. And the purpose of the post you quoted was to clarify to DP why i think marv might be mafia. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Um, wat. You have no votes on you at all as far as I can tell, and you're clearly not #1 OR even 2 on my scumlist, nor have I ever even referred to you specifically as scum this game. What prompted this insanely defensive post exactly? Because that's is mafia mindset. Calling someone scum without actually calling them scum, not to mention without giving any proper reasoning for a read. | ||
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On February 05 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prome, Artanis, Wave. read on Cephiro is pending. Other people seem more or less town. On February 05 2014 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Post Prome's comeback i could not understand a single thing he said, he just... flung some words somewhere... Post Wave's comeback he said pretty much nothing and suddenly had a scumread on me based on me "doing nothing"??? Artanis' posts were just.. terrible. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:32 WaveofShadow wrote: No, that doesn't answer the question. Why do you feel the need to be so insanely defensive when nothing prompted it? Even if you think I'm scum, you're obviously not in danger of being lynched, never mind 'speed hammered' by one fucking person. I am not being defensive. I am pointing out your lies and fishy reasoning for your reads. | ||
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I get your point about my defensiveness or whatever you call it, but you are wrong. Let's look into other people because apparently neither of us wants to lynch the other one. Okay? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, but I REALLY have to go to bed. What 'other people' do you think I should be looking into (besides Prome because I will be doing that tomorrow). Prome, marv. Artanis and Cephiro can go die because they apparently don't wanna play. | ||
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So if he is mafia he is being bussed. | ||
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Especially in this setup it's really good for mafia because if you just convince a couple of (strong/vocal) townies, you are unlikely to get lynched/shot because strong/vocal townies "decide" the lynch as they usually drive the discussion and are listened to. So buddy buddy and you get a pass because your read is not "wrong" (as you give a town meta read on a townie). That's also why i think Prome and marv can't both be mafia, as it makes no sense to me for Prome to buddy up to his scumbuddy based on shit meta reasons. So kill Artanis/Prome and make them shoot each other, that's where i am atm. | ||
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Let's win this game. marv can join too if he is town. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:21 DarthPunk wrote: Kind of hilarious you are saying that after Extractor trick. hue.  And that game is exactly why i am saying that. I was retarded in that game. | ||
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In case you are planning on being here what do you think of Wave's last contributions and what i said about marv? | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:33 Cephiro wrote: 2) I want to see how certain players continue without me taking an action against them. Cephiro the thing here is pretty much all other people have reads on each other. We are trying to figure out your alignment because you havn't done shit. Continuing to not do shit is not really a townie way to proceed.. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:51 Holyflare wrote: Anyone played with cephiro on forum before? Does he do this "my plan is complete" only to then reveal... Nothing? Yes i have. Cephiro has a quite interesting playstyle that revolves around making plans that usually (to me at least) make no sense (rofl ^^). Look at Hogwarts (how do you not remember this, you played in that game?), Aperture 2 and SMB mini mafia. The way of reading Cephiro is to make a judgement call on if his plans make sense from him to do as town or not. Not if they make sense or not in general (trust me, in the first 2 games i wanted to lynch him for his plans because i thought they were dumb). I've seen Cephiro play mafia in LXII but that's not really a good place to look at because he basically posted more in mafia QT than in the thread and just lurked all game and promised to du stuff he never did later on. I do not remember anything about the Witchcraft game because i do not really pay attention to what townies say when i am mafia. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:58 Cephiro wrote: I don't care if you have 0.6, 6, 16, or 60 pages of filter. It's not alignment indicative. There are reasons why I consider your play more likely to be pro-scum than pro-town. As I explained earlier, even though I dislike marv's play in general he has enough good points to back him up as likely town. He could still be scum, I'm open up to all possibilities for now. Could you be more specific in what those good points are that marv has brought up? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:08 Holyflare wrote: Don't really remember people from when I'm scum gotta keep track of the lies. +he didn't do any plans then rofl He did, he claimed about 10 different roles and a check on me/Koshi.. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:18 marvellosity wrote: I made a case, you lying little shit. And i answered it and the case is invalid. Also stop calling me names please. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:21 marvellosity wrote: Totally incorrect, just a casual readthrough of Shadow game shows all my points are almost always reasoned. badly, but reasoned. Well your case on me is "reasoned", badly. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote: You best probably stop lying. The case isn't invalid. You said I have called you scum with "no reasoning". Not that you answered the case. I have repeatedly given reasoning. That is a flat out LIE. Your "reasoning" is not reasoning. Your reasoning is "he said something i did not understand" and "he doesn't make sense". First one i have explained and the second one you have not explained. | ||
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You seem to be trying to convince me i am mafia, why is that? You don't interact with other people about your read on me, why is that? You just repeat the "rayn is mafia" over and over again, even when people disagree with you, why is that? | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:44 Cephiro wrote: Why do you want to lynch artanis with his recent post instead of giving him time and a chance? It's not like we're running out of time. Intentionally limiting ourselves only benefits scum. Because i think he is mafia now. I already said we should not lynch anyone now. marv asked me who would i shoot now. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case you are planning on being here what do you think of Wave's last contributions and what i said about marv? | ||
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Now onto this game. Yes, you have made a case on me. The case is crap. Whatever you say it's not good because first of all i am not mafia , and second other people in this game do not even think the case is good because the only person that even remotely agrees with it is Prome, who is mafia. You do not seem to be giving a shit on if people agree with your read or not, you don't seem to be giving a shit in elaborating on your read to other people and convince them that i am mafia. It's pretty clear from your posts. And that is why i think you are mafia. You are unwilling to give proper reasoning on your reads and you are unwilling to interact with people regarding your reads. You don't explain any of your reads and the only read & case you have actually made you don't give a shit about. That is not townie. So unless you start playing the game and stop being whatever you are atm: ##Vote: marvellosity If you somehow are town and think i am mafia then fucking shoot me, i don't care, because for some reason this game is pain in the ass to play with you because you are not making any sense and you are unwilling to cooperate with anyone and just promoting shit atmosphere. If you somehow are town shoot Artanis. If you are mafia i don't fukcing care what you do, you'll probably shoot me but IDGAF because i have tried to be EXTREMELY reasonable in this game because i wanted to play a good game but i don't like this. | ||
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I.. do.. not.. care.. about.. what... you.. say.. to.. me.. because it does not fucking matter as you can't convince me that i am mafia which is all you are trying to do. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:58 marvellosity wrote: No there aren't, Artanis is 100% confirmed mafia, he has posted elsewhere in the forum and not here, he would give up as mafia and he would never give up as town. Terrible terrible post. Where? He made a votecount in a game he is hosting. Otherwise no, he has not. | ||
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Feel free to shoot me, i don't care when the game is like whenever you have a scumread on someone you just get shat on for no reason and noone has to make a reasonable argument. Let's not have reasonable arguments then. This is pointless. | ||
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So WaveofShadow and DarthPunk, are you mafia? | ||
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shure. i don't mind if you shoot me. | ||
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1) I wanted to lynch town!Prome, who has been riding your dick all game long, knowing that he might listen to town!marv and shoot mafia!rayn, which will result into you being confirmed town and Artanis auto-lynched or shot the next day. Yes marv, as mafia, i would do that every day.. rofl.. or... 2) that i wanted to lynch mafia!Prome, my scumbuddy and i have been bussing my whole team and the only townie i have been accusing the whole game is you of all people. sure marv! What you are suggesting is so fucking absurd. You can't possibly think i am mafia if you are town because that's just ridiculous. And i am unwilling to believe you are town because what you are saying right here is so very stupid. dude, seriously? | ||
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On February 07 2014 01:51 marvellosity wrote: Well Prome is almost certainly town simply because DP thought he was mafia. But Prome really should have shot rayn as rayn was level 5 in his scumreads just the same as Artanis was. Why not shoot the guy who's much harder to kill? I'm easy to kill, you just gotta shoot me or lynch me. I die like every other person in this game. | ||
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On February 07 2014 02:23 marvellosity wrote: how does that make him mafia? there's stupid, not mafia. you're asking someone who has the exact same 3 reads as you whether they are mafia because you don't agree with which mafia they voted.. Yes marv, i was seriously calling them both mafia. rofl. In fact i don't even think you are mafia, i think DP and Wave are mafia, i am just trolling here. for gods sake.. | ||
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I wanted to lynch Prome, i remembered DP and Wave had their votes on Artanis, which is stupid, then i made a couple of posts because i was bored and typed out "are you mafia?". No, i was not being serious in accusing either of them being mafia, because i do not in fact think either of them is mafia. | ||
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On February 07 2014 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I really want to see if the rayn and DP 'we would have caught marv' dreamtime is right and I'm wrong. This game is for all the bragging rights. And this is the stupidest post in this thread. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:59 marvellosity wrote: well you called me "so bad" etc just like I did to DP (but much more), but I agree, you weren't I called you bad once. But that's not what i consider being a dick. Well nevermind, i don't really wanna talk about this game because i don't really consider this mafia and this setup does not work in the forum atmosphere. | ||
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