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On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote:
Why would we not vote him? On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote:
Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell.
This is as much as a cop out easy vote as Bum. Factoring in his previous play and complete unwillingness to divulge information, this is most certainly an opportune vote.
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I havent read gumshoe catchup post yet, so not sure how his vote of me ties in yet.
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mattchew vote, cant tell if its a joke or not based on the convo with vivax420.
i am more so surprised he dropped his shiaopi read for this.
am curious how he follows up.
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So sidesprang + bum def looking terrible from all this.
~moc
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On February 16 2014 18:52 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote:On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.
##Unvote
##Vote: BumatlargeIt worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood. sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking. if bum is being stupid it's because you are enabling him
touche; but theres a difference between stupid and try-hard.
I felt his arguments fall under "try-hard" and thus are malicious.
~moc
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and as for afk bum.. everyone knows I barely post on weekends. ppl got things to do.
as for why rayn hasnt been around, no idea.
~moc
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On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?
Can't remember.
I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts.
At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mordanis
Lets just get a hammer on someone.
~moc
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On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1
Its almost 4 days since day1 started.
just lynch someone already.
~moc
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So im bored and feel like scum claiming again as you do 
Hi Bum !
Whats the best way to do this you say?
Make a meaningless fluff post about the threads last posts in order of time stamps, most recent @ top.
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On February 16 2014 21:44 roundabound wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:Day 1 Its almost 4 days since day1 started. just lynch someone already. ~moc
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On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?
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On February 16 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +kush can you explain the shiaopi meta stuff from earlier
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On February 16 2014 19:38 IAmRobik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2014 19:15 VIVAX420 wrote:
gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost.
-extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim.
-his reads have good reasons behind them no no no no no no no disagree with every single letter and symbol that you made in that post, down to the 2 "-"s Instead of basing his reads on what has happened so far, he just uses "roundabound is scum" to create reads on every other player. WTF? That's not town. That's mafia jumping on something and building fake reads based off of incorrect information.
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On February 16 2014 18:59 sidesprang wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I dont see why this makes bum scum, please elaborate.
2 page filter - subbed in
On February 16 2014 18:53 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Regardless of how this ends, it's going to end up with you looking like a jackass and an idiot. Good night.
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On February 16 2014 17:33 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
it feels like he's fake claiming scum. If he's doing that, then I'm sicing geript after him.
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On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote:
thrawn timeline:
lurk scumstyle
start tryharding because vivax caught him
continue to lurk when the pressure goes down As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not?
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On February 16 2014 15:43 Mattchew wrote:
yeah is this a joke?
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On February 16 2014 11:12 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2014 11:04 bumatlarge wrote:
ONLY I GET TO HAMMER.
ME.
NOT YOU. We should join forces for a more surprising hammer/
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On February 16 2014 01:55 ShiaoPi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +if you guys really lynch me based on this stuff you are terrible :D
nobody even cares about my reads so looks like to you sillys d1 lynch is already decided. Why should I care about writing stuff out if you ignore it anyway. btw vivax gets moar scum points for rolefishing
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On February 15 2014 04:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Vivax, it really seems like you're trying to get me to move my vote off of Grack and onto Shiao. All I said about Shiao was I'd be fine lynching a lurker.
What do you think of grack?
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On February 14 2014 04:42 QuantumPope wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 23:23 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what?
Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game?
Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal?
~rayn I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with. I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far. Ugh never forget lol. On [February 13 2014 11:57 roundabound wrote:@QPThere is a knowledge triangle between yourself, Mattchew and IAR. Substantiated by: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:
If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. Note their opinions of you: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. Did you expect both of these players to "town read" you with so little analysis? Further, Mattchew is my achilles heel. What is the secret to reading him? ~moc I could see that little banter I had with Mattchew is something we both like doing. It could be looked at as town but strange to me that he would trust me so willingly after a few posts. As for IAmRobik I feel that he is able to read me pretty well. I've been pretty lackluster in this thread but it's better to have an early read on me than no read at all. Now to our thrilling conclusion. On February 14 2014 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently Almost as hasty and unwarranted as this post. I find it strange that both of them early on give "town reads" on me and then suddenly retract when absolutely no information was added other than my silence. Really strange reactions from both of them.
No conclusions cos im a baller like that
~moc
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On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote:
mordanis - TOWN
He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases.
if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum?
You lump and categorise players too hard.
Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page.
Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit
On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote:
It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum.
brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not like
Blue: First promise of "mega contribution"
On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote:
I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it?
On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... No conclusion fluff
On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote:
I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. Theory ramble. Null
On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote:
Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking. Second promise of "mega contribution"
On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote:I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote:
People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want! do you talk a lot as scum too? vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance.
Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote?
On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...
On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 22:24 VIVAX420 wrote:
i misread actually. I thought he was saying i had a hell of a scumread on rob because i asked him a question. actually he said hell of a townread.
Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.
On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 18:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Mordanis did you reach any conclusions about robik? I can't tell if you're trying to sell both robik/vivax as a scum team or if you thought robik could be mafia purely based off of his own play.
I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either.....
Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either.
On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote:
Hey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while. Another excuse to not fulfil his own promise
On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote:
The more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax.[red] To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd]
Hopefully more coming soon! Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletons
Blue: 3rd promise of more contribution
On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out:
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable. An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given.
Why?
Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment.
On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 13:34 VIVAX420 wrote:
thrawn timeline:
lurk scumstyle
start tryharding because vivax caught him
continue to lurk when the pressure goes down As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.
Vivax, mordanis is scum
QED
Please lynch, me falling asleep here.
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On February 16 2014 23:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:Sorry people, been crazy busy but caught up now. Glad to see votes move off ShiaoPi since he doesn't really seem scummy to me. Not crazy about the votes now on Mordanis since I feel the same about him. + Show Spoiler +Can people tell me what they have against lynching Grack? Half his posts are trolling and the few reads he has seem pretty superficial. Right now he's voting for sidespring and here's basically all the reason he's given: On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang And he's left his vote there conveniently despite the fact that the people he was supposedly 'sheeping' have since changed. He hasn't really given an opinion on anyone this game. Firstly, the post above is moc
Secondly, I could def swappo you with ShiaoPi for buds with Mordanis and QP
~moc
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btw; regardless of alignment. does anyone else find that QP not posting for 48hrs is unacceptable.... seriously
~moc
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just realised mt timeline was wrong
mordanis is after qp
both posted feb14 last
~moc
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Seriously this game is really boring atm. sidesprang is saying nothing. gumshoe made a trainwreck post. QP disappearead, so did Mordanis. ShiaoPi says nothing. Grackaroni says nothing. Mattchew says nothing.
There is no reason to repreatedly try to make those people post, and they can't all be mafia. *sigh*
Also i havn't been able to talk with Mocsta for the last 2 days because we're never online at the same time.
Just lynch one of those people. They will just continue to say nothing.
~rayn
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ehh i don't wanna lynch gumshoe, at least yet. He could definitely make that kinda post as town. While it's bad i need more from him, can't tell if town or scum.
~rayn
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wait, did we really have 5 votes on us? rofl
~rayn
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kush, why do you think gumshoe's post is townie or not?
Do you know how he plays, you've been in game with him at least a couple of times lately.
~rayn
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On February 17 2014 00:04 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 00:03 roundabound wrote:
wait, did we really have 5 votes on us? rofl
~rayn mocsta did some retarded fake claim while you were gone :\
Well ofc i read that, but why the fuck did people vote?
Like i get bum's vote (not the reasoning which is retarded), but the policy part. But the other votes?
~rayn
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Fuck sidesprang is terrible. I think we should lynch him.
~rayn
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On February 17 2014 00:09 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 00:04 roundabound wrote:
kush, why do you think gumshoe's post is townie or not?
Do you know how he plays, you've been in game with him at least a couple of times lately.
~rayn I already answered this. Disclaimer: I have no idea how this guy plays! Maybe I have been in games with him but 1 he is quite forgettable 2 i have terrible memory
You should probably start reading posts more carefully and think about the motives behind them if you are town.
gumshoe basically posts whatever he thinks at that time. Look at the Quiet game mini mafia and LXIV, the last couple of his games.
- Quiet game (especially this post): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439654¤tpage=56#1102
D1, 20 minutes before the deadline, gumshoe comes in after mostly lurking the whole phase. Earlier he has been voting for scum. He unvotes CC for dick move analysis (reasonable) and does not comment anything on the vote leader's posts other than "he's bad". Corazon is SURE to get lynched (and will flip mafia), but gumshoe makes a case on WoS. Everyone who has not played with him calls him mafia for that post because it's so bizarre and does not contribute to the lynch in any way. But he is obviously town for it. noone sees it other than me and yamato.
- LXIV: gumshoe starts the game by saying "vote me for mayor because i am so bad". Later on he votes marv for mayor and says "I'm fine with xata dying regardless of my alignment because once he's out of the game I can stop lurking". seriously? haha.
He's mind works in really mysterious ways, but you gotta look after why he does these things.
Now onto this game:
His big post. What's the point of making that post he did as mafia? Why not just state his townreads as town because of obvious reasons noone can call him out for (like saying "they have been pro-active bla bla")?? There is certainly some sort of thought process going through his head and while the post he made looks "tryhard" and "forced" that's how his posts ALWAYS look. While the thought process is bad and relies on Mocsta's scumclaim being real that does not make him mafia.
I am actually pretty sure he is town.
~rayn
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On February 17 2014 00:17 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes. It's like he was so convinced that mocsta was telling the truth about being scum. I don't think scum would automatically jump to that conclusion and provide reasoning why scum mocsta would claim scum.
Yes, exactly this!
~rayn
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See how sidesprang comments on Grack's scumclaim in Titanic II. Right, he says nothing about it.
~rayn
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thrawn made a very good post on bumatlarge earlier on. Actually bum deserves another look based on how he tries to over explain the reasons why we are mafia. In fact he reaches to "more likely to be town" in his conclusions.
~rayn
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