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VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 12 2014 21:57 GMT
#361
Grackaroni is your vote on me still serious?
Kush and Vivax
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 12 2014 21:57 GMT
#362
It doesn't mean anything.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 12 2014 21:59 GMT
#363
Doesn't sound too unlikely, but can he go back to serious now please, cause I didn't see any of that.
Kush and Vivax
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 12 2014 22:00 GMT
#364
On February 13 2014 06:54 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 06:52 roundabound wrote:
I just have to do this:

Grackalliance!!! <3<3<3<33<34

~rayn

Can someone please comment on whether rayn is the type of person who would do this out of spite as mafia to prove that he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases, or whether he would be more likely to do this as town risking getting on someone's bad side?

I am doing it because you might want to rethink about your methods of finding mafia if they seriously are what you just described. It's even more ridiculous if you think someone is ever going to lynch anyone based on "he used a scummy word" or "he is / isn't posting smilies"..

Seriously, 500 games of mafia? Is this really what you are saying right now?
To answer your question, yes i could make that post as mafia. Yes i could make that post as town. No, there is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in that post.

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 12 2014 22:00 GMT
#365
my last post was @ robik, not v420
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 12 2014 22:03 GMT
#366
On February 13 2014 05:46 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote:
On February 13 2014 05:35 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 13 2014 04:07 Mattchew wrote:
vivax is top town

I only have one question.

QuantumPope, are you a man?


First, that's kush. Second, why is that top town?

~V

no fucks given attitude

iamrobik and quantum probably town too

Are you seriously saying you are giving a townread for someone who has played over 500 mafia games for "no fuck given" attitude?

~rayn


On February 13 2014 05:48 roundabound wrote:
Also could you explain that "no fucks given" attitude a bit further?

~rayn

Mattchew i asked you some questions. You have posted since.
Why no answers?

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#367
On February 13 2014 07:00 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 06:54 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 13 2014 06:52 roundabound wrote:
I just have to do this:

Grackalliance!!! <3<3<3<33<34

~rayn

Can someone please comment on whether rayn is the type of person who would do this out of spite as mafia to prove that he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases, or whether he would be more likely to do this as town risking getting on someone's bad side?

I am doing it because you might want to rethink about your methods of finding mafia if they seriously are what you just described. It's even more ridiculous if you think someone is ever going to lynch anyone based on "he used a scummy word" or "he is / isn't posting smilies"..

Seriously, 500 games of mafia? Is this really what you are saying right now?
To answer your question, yes i could make that post as mafia. Yes i could make that post as town. No, there is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in that post.

~rayn

That's fine that you think this, but with age comes experience...yes, I use voting analysis and other more "intellectual" methods for determining if someone is scum or town as well, but I think that being able to pick up on trends of what people general do and don't say (or do) as mafia/town is very helpful. If not to make a 100% case, then at least to give you some direction. I could be right about it or I could be wrong. I don't know. It was an observation I made 3 years ago, which by now I've forgotten. All I can do is be honest. It's day 1 in a game that has no n0. If nothing else, it has provided us something to talk about (how stupid you think I am for using such minute details to clear or condemn people).
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 12 2014 22:11 GMT
#368
^ with age comes wisdom...with experience comes wisdom...i dunno what I was typing, but the phrase with age comes experience makes no sense
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 12 2014 22:18 GMT
#369
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 12 2014 22:30 GMT
#370
On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn

1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town.
2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf.

I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point.

I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him.

I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
February 12 2014 22:30 GMT
#371
Also, feel free to call me Rob, Robert or TheThrower.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
February 12 2014 22:34 GMT
#372
hai gais!
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 12 2014 22:35 GMT
#373
On February 13 2014 07:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai gais!

oh herro
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
February 12 2014 22:36 GMT
#374
wanna kill the abomination known as vivax/kush hydra? I am feeling really itchy...
#Vote:VIVAX420
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 12 2014 22:36 GMT
#375
I'm gonna sleep now as well as unvoting because I know how you guys like to rush to lynches... here's my thoughts

Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.

Vivax420 could be scum, he should know better than to make the meta case that he did.

Of the two I think Mordanis is more liekly to be mafia because of this post:

On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote:
I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it?

On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play...


The following is a gut read so it's hard to explain, but the above quote feels constructed and fake. He starts off the 2nd paragraph by saying "on a side note" and he never gives a definitive read on any of the people he talks about, and both of these things suggest that he's not invested in scumhunting. His attempt to pursue his suspicions by questioning robik here:

On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote:
I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie.


is too.... reserved, bland, etc? I don't get the impression that he cares about what he's posting about.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
QuantumPope
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada76 Posts
February 12 2014 22:37 GMT
#376
On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn

I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial.

If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on.
www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv || sc2l.gg || d2l.gg || www.twitter.com/QuantumPope ||
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
February 12 2014 22:40 GMT
#377
On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn

I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial.

If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on.


dunno man, your posts are kind of shitty.
If mattchew and robik are well known to you, how do you read them now?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 12 2014 22:41 GMT
#378
On February 13 2014 07:30 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn

1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town.
2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf.

I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point.

I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him.

I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm.

1) How can you say you have him as town if you are not comfortable analysing him atm? This is like giving a read that has no basis behind it. Do you think he is town or not and if you do why? If you don't why did you say so?
2) Same question.

What would have Mattchew and QP posted as mafia in your opinion at the start of the game? Why? Mattchew very well knows how games work here and and especially his posts i found really fishy. Unless there is something behind them i don't understand. But especially as i aksed about them from him and he refused to answer and instead posted some other shit that has no value i am inclined to think he has no good answers.

3) How is this post:
On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmmm

more scummy than this:
On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
No worries there this forum loves spamming.

???

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
February 12 2014 22:44 GMT
#379
I really like rayns stuff so far, good stuff it is
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
February 12 2014 22:44 GMT
#380
On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.

Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?

~rayn

I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial.

If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on.

See here is why these posts are shitty.
You could just say "i agree with you", but instead you write ~100 words...

~rayn
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
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