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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:25 Balla24 wrote: lol Aristotle? You mean artanis? No, I meant Aristotle. That guy got away with so much and everybody's all "oooh, what a great philosopher, ooh." Well, he's been absent for thousands of years. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:26 kushm4sta wrote: Balla why are you voting zare? There is nothing scummy therre. Yes rayn is town and probably jl too but that doesn't make them righT preach it brother | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:26 kushm4sta wrote: Balla why are you voting zare? There is nothing scummy therre. Yes rayn is town and probably jl too but that doesn't make them righT I disagree, what JL and rayn are pointing out IS scummy to me. He's contradicting himself and playing exactly like how he says scum players play. With that said though... with artanis jumping on him 2/3 of my current scum reads are voting on him. That doesn't sit well with me. Still want to see what crossfire does though but i'm already reconsidering. Why don't you think what rayn and JL are saying about zarepath is scummy kush? It looks scummy to me and clearly them. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also, how strong is your Crossfire read? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Why do you hate it suki? Here is my only doubt about the zarepath lynch. He blatantly does everything which he calls scummy. If he's scum he's clearly not being very careful. I still think he's scum. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
One is policy talk. Easy scum starter. One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done. His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion. He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
My read on crossfire is what I posted in my case, nothing has changed since he hasn't come back and posted anything. So still scum. JL is the weaker of the 3 that I don't feel very confident about. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
If there are two lynch candidates and you're one of them don't you pick option b regardless of alignment? His switch to bum was an easy choice imo. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:44 Balla24 wrote: Also I'm still having trouble understanding why you chose to try to get rayn to counterclaim your scum claim. What happens if he plays along? Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall. It's not about if he plays along. I was near certain he would. It's about how he would approach it that would allow me insight into the mindset with which he starts the game. It was also meant as kickstart for the game so we could go straight into scumhunting rather than talk about setup and policy and all that jazz. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Crossfire has 3 posts of substance. One is policy talk. Easy scum starter. One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done. His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion. He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game. Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I agree with Rayn on this point. Zerepath literally took the time to make a case, didn't push it at all then calls bum scum for making the same case and actually trying to get it pushed into a lynch. wrong. Bum's right, if your case isn't getting traction why waste people's time. If bum really think's VE's scum he can always wait and try to get him lynched later. I hate this logic. Also if town Bum really thought that VE wasn't worth pursuing he should have a better target no? Rather than just saying 'welp no ones listening to me I guess I'll just withdraw from the game' @balla It took me a minute to understand what the hell that post is saying. But yes it is contradicting his case completely. Backwards ass logic. He's scum for being defensive and he's scum for saying fuck it, lynch me if I'm scum. wrong again, those are two different things. Zarepath: VE switched to bum with no justification -> VE is suspicious -> Zarepath provides a case against VE and votes him. When Zarepath switched to Bum likewise he also gave his reasons. I don't see what you're saying is 'kinda bad' here. On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote: Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all. ... He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on. Zarepath admitted he was tunneling and backed off. This is different than bum backing off for no reason even after VE failed to satisfyingly answer bum's questions. Jumping on the same person VE has his vote on when he still finds VE suspicious is bad, though. I didn't catch that. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:50 JonnyLaw wrote: Suki your basic idea is that zarepath cannot be scum because he brings up his case ONE time after making it then drops it all together? If there are two lynch candidates and you're one of them don't you pick option b regardless of alignment? His switch to bum was an easy choice imo. Uh if you're town you push the person you think is the scummiest, regardless if that person is a candidate or not. If bum is scum, which I think he is, then I don't see scum zarepath voting for bum. It doesn't make sense. From my point of view either zarepath or bum are scum. It doesn't make sense for both of them to be scum. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 22 2014 04:53 suki wrote: <snip> I hate this logic. Also if town Bum really thought that VE wasn't worth pursuing he should have a better target no? Rather than just saying 'welp no ones listening to me I guess I'll just withdraw from the game' Do you think this makes Bum more likely to be scum though? If you're a townie and you're certain of one player being scum it can be very demotivating when no one refuses to listen. In light of Bum's general attitude it feels more like he's genuinely frustrated to me. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
There are two main reasons I think he's mafia. He hasn't made an attempt to help find scum and he's not displaying the classic alakaslam townie paranoia. None of his scumhunting contributions are actually contributions. They're a combination of one liners and half-accusations. He made a big entrance to the thread and lots of people talked about him and/or called him mafia, but when asked for his conclusions about people who commented on him he could only come up with: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 17:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Who is Rayn talking to here? I had made like one post at this point On January 20 2014 17:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Yeah heck if I know Here's an exchange we had: On January 21 2014 01:31 Wile E. Coyote wrote: VE Rayn and Artanis would likely try & lead town. I think. That hasn't been happening as far as I see it. This point relates to my meta (it is scummy on its own, but applies especially to alakaslam) claim about alakaslam. In every town alakaslam game I've seen he becomes paranoid of others players to the point that it strongly influences what he is willing to post in thread. If he knows a certain player has good scum play, he is extra paranoid about them and will start spamming 'svengali' into the thread until he becomes nearly incoherent. That's why I asked him to look at the player list, I wanted to see if I could get this kind of reaction.... I didn't. Not only does he not give me the answer I expect from town Alakaslam, he says that X X and X will probably lead town, but aren't "as far as (I) see it," which he doesn't follow up on. I still have no idea if that statement about those players actually influenced his reads or not. Here's a vote: On January 21 2014 01:42 Wile E. Coyote wrote: When Rayn is town this is the response to ##Vote: Kushm4sta for. Doesn't make any sense. There is no implied reasoning in that post to suggest that kush should be lynched. It's merely a way for alak to buddy rayn and vote kush for no reason. Everything after that is completely useless and doesn't look like it came from a person who is trying to find mafia. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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