• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:31
CEST 10:31
KST 17:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy2Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)8BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27037 users

TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart - Page 10

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 All
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 00:38 GMT
#2538
Oats why did you tell bum you thought I was the vig after I'd already told you I'm vet?

[21:56] <Oatsmaster> i think thrawn is the vig
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 00:43 GMT
#2539
I can already tell this is going to be like torture
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 02:54 GMT
#2542
i'm gonna talk about bum for a bit

I know that he went to Oats last cycle to to have a talk about thrawn (remember this interaction later, when i quote bum's read on Oats)

[21:51] <bum> hello oats
[21:51] <Oatsmaster> yo
[21:51] <bum> i think we need to have a chat with thrawn
[21:51] <Oatsmaster> yes
[21:51] <bum> er
[21:51] <bum> about thrawn

then there's this post

On February 07 2014 03:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Whelp go figure. If I die, don't just lynch slam, lynch who you think is mafia. The explode the world theory doesn't check out like BC hoped it would. If the game ends with everyone dead, mafia wins. I would go with Slam>thrawn>oats, but I've barely looked into your posts, this all just gut feeling. BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows. I already told him he can't win by lynching himself unless his bomb is exactly on mafia . Thrawn has been talking with mocsta the entire game, and I find it hard to believe how trusting he was of mocsta. They did have different reads on me, which seems awkward when mocsta pushed me so hard. That's really the only reason I have thrawn over oats. Oats is pretty null, I've only talked to him a few times. Tomorrow, cases need to be built and clear intuitive reads need to be made. We can win, but it just matters how hard the two townies want to win over the last scum.

Good luck!




which is similar to all of bum's other posts in that it gives you no clear idea of what he actually thinks about the game. his preferred lynch order was slam>thrawn>oats. he says that if slam is hatter, then BC's plan wont work and mafia will win if everyone dies. so from bum's point of view, with this knowledge about how lynching the hatter will lose the game for town, that means that bum CAN'T have slam as his first lynch preference unless he thinks slam is mafia. But does he think slam is mafia?

"BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows."

So Slam is bum's top lynch choice... but not his top scumread? That is the impression I get from that post. But bum admits that if slam is hatter it's probably a bad idea to lynch him. But he can't decide if slam is town or mafia. So why is slam his top lynch candidate?

So after reading that I have absolutely NO idea if bum thought slam was mafia. It's all nonsense that doesn't add up to an actual read. Then comes his reads on Oats/thrawn where he says thrawn is scummy for hilarious reasoning, and oats is somehow null. Bum we are in lylo and there is no way that you can reach this stage of the game with a null read on somebody.

If bum is scum he probably didn't feel like it was so important to assign a definitive read to the player he's about to night kill. How convenient is it that the only 2 players he will commit to reading (and yes, "commit" is a stretch in this case) are the players that end up being the ones remaining in the game? It's even more suspect considering that he has thrawn as scummier than "null" Oats, after he approached Oats during the last cycle and talk to him about thrawn being scum. Here are the logs of that convo:

http://tny.cz/156c72a4

Based on how he talks to Oats there, and everything about bum's recent reads that I've just pointed out, does it look like bum is talking to his null read Oats? Or that he is scum and trying to set up his lylo victory mislynch?

Everything adds up to bum being mafia. He can't talk about reads and he's done nothing the entire game. He is somehow comfortable with hammering almost every single lynch while admittedly feeling confused and/or that he's not up to speed with the going-on's of the game.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 02:56 GMT
#2543
it's somebody else's turn now plz
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 04:39 GMT
#2550
On February 07 2014 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually it makes more sense for scum to be thrawn because he knows I think bum is scummier than him so Ill lynch bum.


..... and you think thrawn is scummier than bum, so it also makes sense for scum bum to kill slam. see?

also according to bum's last post before deadline, he is null reading you. how can he possibly have a null read on somebody at this stage of the game...
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 05:24 GMT
#2553
well now i'm confirmed town

watch me sit here and not vote
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 06:15 GMT
#2559
lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 06:38 GMT
#2572
kk
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 07 2014 23:01 GMT
#2587
i'm probably gonna vote later tonight (8ish hrs or so from now) but i wanna hear more from both of you privately first
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 08 2014 04:39 GMT
#2590
##vote: bumatlarge
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 08 2014 05:17 GMT
#2603
oats made the decision difficult with his quick hammer after acting really confused about who to lynch.... but ultimately it came down to this:

+ Show Spoiler [oats] +
[2/6/2014 11:55:28 PM] Bracken Tad Conner: lol i think i'm just gonna flip a coin
[2/6/2014 11:55:29 PM] Jared Yap: or soemthing
[2/6/2014 11:55:36 PM] Jared Yap: it was a good case?
[2/6/2014 11:55:47 PM] Jared Yap: don't be lame thrawn
[2/6/2014 11:55:53 PM] Jared Yap: do you trust me
[2/6/2014 11:55:57 PM] Jared Yap: do you thrawn
[2/6/2014 11:55:58 PM] Jared Yap: do you
[2/6/2014 11:56:03 PM] Bracken Tad Conner: he's gonna pst it in thread
[2/6/2014 11:56:14 PM] Jared Yap: just hammer him right after he posts it lol
[2/6/2014 11:56:15 PM] Bracken Tad Conner: but yeah im tired of this game
[2/6/2014 11:56:20 PM] Jared Yap: that would be hilarious
[2/6/2014 11:56:21 PM] Bracken Tad Conner: just gonna coinflip vote someone
[2/6/2014 11:56:25 PM] Jared Yap: come on man
[2/6/2014 11:56:29 PM] Jared Yap: i wanna win with you
[2/6/2014 11:56:33 PM] Jared Yap: (heart) forever
[2/6/2014 11:56:45 PM] Jared Yap: not like that traitors bastard mocsta
[2/6/2014 11:56:48 PM] Bracken Tad Conner: do you want heads or tails
[2/6/2014 11:56:55 PM] Jared Yap: i want both
[2/6/2014 11:56:56 PM] Jared Yap: tbh
[2/6/2014 11:57:00 PM] Jared Yap: wait let me flip
[2/6/2014 11:57:25 PM] Jared Yap: heads
[2/6/2014 11:57:28 PM] Jared Yap: my coin says heads
[2/6/2014 11:57:35 PM] Jared Yap: I'm sure your coin will too


+ Show Spoiler [bumatlarge] +
01[23:55] <thrawn> lol I think i'm just gonna flip a coin
[23:55] <bumatlarge> LOL NO
[23:55] <bumatlarge> please
[23:55] <bumatlarge> almost one
[23:55] <bumatlarge> done
[23:55] <bumatlarge> im working ar on this...
[23:55] <bumatlarge> at least give us a shot
01[23:56] <thrawn> do you want heads or tails
[23:57] <bumatlarge> the losing side
[23:57] <bumatlarge> if you seriously do
[23:57] <bumatlarge> just lynch me


all the hammers were probably what I saw as scummiest about bum. for oats there were many 3-way interactions between him mocsta and I that I don't think they could have possibly faked

bum did really well in PMs this cycle except for the coinflip thing. oats acted exactly how mocsta acted in the previous cycle... there was lots of buddying and "how would you feel if I'm scum and tricked you" type of questions. tbh oats probably acted the scummiest during lylo and he made it pretty difficult
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Prev 1 8 9 10 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 29m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 171
OGKoka 65
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 900
Mong 317
ToSsGirL 246
Nal_rA 185
JulyZerg 177
Leta 175
TY 158
EffOrt 83
Killer 44
GoRush 36
[ Show more ]
Noble 14
zelot 13
Backho 12
ivOry 9
Dota 2
420jenkins419
XcaliburYe357
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K799
Other Games
C9.Mang01173
Happy535
ceh9379
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4723
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 40
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH313
• LUISG 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota299
League of Legends
• Stunt1061
Other Games
• Scarra1533
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
2h 29m
HiGhDrA vs Nicoract
MaNa vs HiGhDrA
HiGhDrA vs Reynor
Nicoract vs Reynor
MaNa vs Nicoract
MaNa vs Reynor
MaxPax vs Spirit
Krystianer vs Spirit
OSC
4h 29m
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
10h 29m
Korean StarCraft League
18h 29m
SOOP
1d
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 1h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 2h
Cheesadelphia
1d 6h
CSO Cup
1d 8h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 9h
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
GSL Code S
1d 23h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.