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On May 17 2014 16:20 geript wrote:
alsoothough liltemp is a little bitch but nydus wouldning ever kill mhi
Play I wanna see if I can fake cop on you in final 2 in and make you concede on a different medium of mafia.
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On May 17 2014 10:16 ritoky wrote:
/in
for my tambo fake claims
YOURE DAMN STRAIGHT
But I probably should stop
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Meant to say final 3 but yes the facial expressions were priceless!
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On May 20 2014 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
gogogogogogo start
## vote: Holyflare
Why?
Because lynching holy flare on video mafia is fun so I want to see if I'll get the same pleasure out of it.
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On May 21 2014 06:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote: Mtamburini
Hi friend! What role you fake claiming this game? Squirttle? Charizard?
Is it weird that I thought this had something to do with Pokemon as well?
Looking over the rules with only alignments flipping and not roles I prob will not fake claim anything (Thats probably a lie and going to claim at least 3 roles this game.)
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
Sadly, this is very normal for forum play. I agree sadly. On the holyflare thing, if he's scum, why would no one lynch him? I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. lynch Tamburini with me bunnies so we can have a counter wagon going to holyflare. Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Tamburini always scum/always bad for town. But sorry, I'm not voting yet. 
Bunnies please. Me claiming Bird Jesus won us that newbie game I got 3 solid town reads from it and left you guys with the rest of the scum team to devour.
On May 21 2014 06:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Oh, and flips are alignment only. This is important to know. Be weary of role claims, as they will be harder to confirm.
Obvious statements are obvious, before you say I am contradicting myself from previous comment in this post you said it as a warning to people as apposed to me answering a question to tehpoofter
ME WATCHING YOU BOIIIIIII
On May 21 2014 06:28 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is here.
I left my bath for you guys. Was typing a message about being in bath with 1% battery and then my phone died and I had to leave my bath.
I am still hot though. Steamy hot. Is there a way I can vote you like not to lynch but just for like being hot?
Tehpoofter being funny and trolly...... GMEOY Reading your tone in this game will be a lot easier than reading you in video mafia.
On May 21 2014 06:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today? Geript with that day 1 vig claim!!! How much you wanna bet it's a vt fake claiming?
Geript is taking a page from my playbook obviously. Bunnies you still sour I made that claim?
On May 21 2014 06:29 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
Sadly, this is very normal for forum play. I agree sadly. On the holyflare thing, if he's scum, why would no one lynch him? I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. lynch Tamburini with me bunnies so we can have a counter wagon going to holyflare. Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Tamburini always scum/always bad for town. But sorry, I'm not voting yet. Girls can totally vote now. They made it a law back awhile ago. You should exercise your power!
Tehpoofter being funny and trolly again.... WARNING SIGNS PEOPLE WARNING SIGNS
On May 21 2014 06:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:33 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:23 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2014 06:12 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Sold. ##vote: holyflare Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt?  I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum. That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated. I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear. Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy.
Finally something interesting spoken by Tehpoofter... warning signs fading...
When playing with multiple factions (both good and evil) they all have their own win conditions. It becomes harder to find who the actual town are in the game compared to the evil / good factions. There are 4 other factions in this game who can Identify one another in each faction they will be playing as a "team" to meet their condition of winning. As town we do not know who anyone is and who is aligned with us.
This is a game where town needs to reach out to eachother, find eachother and get them bad boys one lynch at a time.
On May 21 2014 06:44 kushm4sta wrote:because the game gets very big very fast. town stops reading. and separating lazy town from scum becomes very hard.
True story, kinda like kush for this.
On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.
Bunnies you got soooooooooooo mad when people wouldnt answer your questions in the newbie game, why dont you answer jamps?
On May 21 2014 06:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:35 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today? OH DEAR GOD NO! With as often as you roll scum I may just have to policy shoot you. Or maybe I'll just shoot bunnies once she calls you a role. I haven't really decided quite yet. I'm just fucking stoked. Just because I read him super well in video mafia, doesn't mean It transfers here. However, even if I do read him as a role, not like Ima out that shit or anything. Let's NOT give mafia an advantage here.
Are you saying you read his body better than his tone? There are similarities between the 2 meduims of mafia and I know you play a lot of epic mafia and can read through BS content so I really dislike your response to geript.
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play... He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave. What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
I like this dude, especially the post on Meapak. Obvious statement is obvious ME NO LIKE YOU
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.
This post made my brain bleed. Not sure if mafia or just likes posting scummy things as town... Yellow give me a goddamn bone here there are other people I would like to tunnel on.
On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.
Defensive bunnies is defensive, GMEOY. You know you are allowed to be wrong right?
On May 21 2014 06:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like this post, but if OdinofPergo dies and flips as an anti-town alignment, we kill yellow.
*ACHOOOO*
Sorry allergic to BS.
What if he flips town do we still lynch yellow? Explain your nonsense with some sense.
On May 21 2014 06:56 Steveling wrote:I don't like how haven't jumped on me because of this post Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:48 Steveling wrote:
I will now call upon my previous town game where I was the only player to vote for scum the entire game, lmao, and I played like I didn't give a fuck, like I will do in this game.
So, for everyone who has ever played with me, you should know that I'm town as town can possibly town. We have many scum right now active, mark my words.
Lets just imagine a game where scum never talked in a game. Would that not be the easiest game in the world?
More obvious statements that are obvious. ME NO LIKE YOUUUUUUUUUUU
On May 21 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time. Steveling also town. gutread. Poofter dnu. Your Master has spoken his first words of Wisdom.
MASTER? Pfft
WoS claiming VT is towny since when? Very frowned upon where I play mafia.
Steveling town? guttread? My gut says Leee mafia. Maybe you had something bad for dinner. Come over to my place Ill cook for the both of us and maybe are gut reads will align.
Poofter read? I agree not sure on poof but leaning scummy.
On May 21 2014 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Thrawn:
Do you have anything more to contribute?
Basically saying Hello and this going to be difficult is not protown or helping in any way.
when I have something to say I'll say it
Bunnies looking to put pressure else and off of her, looooooking sccummy again.
On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise.
Again this post made my brain bleed. Yellow if this is your town play and how you scumhunt then I for towns sake I hope you are the cop so you can get some REAL information and dont have to try these unrealistic tactics to catch scum.
On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
#logic So sexy Now do you have any other ideas other than that? bunnies talked about mafia definitely being present in game so also mafia So me pointing out that there are probably a few mafia that are present, makes me mafia? Cause I would so point out something that indicates myself as mafia.
ARE YOU HAPPY TO BE PLAYING IN THIS GAME? YOU DONT SOUND LIKE IT HOLYFLARE!
@bunnies Why not? Would be a great play until you get cop checked.
On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
That was sarcasm btw
OMFG WE GOT EM BOYS SARCASM = MAFIA, look at her post in newbie game
*dances in chair*
On May 21 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I was about to say, BOONE IS IN THIS GAME?
Then realized he meant me.
How disappointing. I wish I was as awesome as boone.
Appealing to emotion, wants us to feel sorry she is not as good as boone but I think her forum play > boones video play.
Your fake sadness will not trick me!
On May 21 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 06:57 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time. Steveling also town. gutread. Poofter dnu. Your Master has spoken his first words of Wisdom. Whats "dnu" stand for? Im pretty sure he meant "don't know"
More like Do not understand!
Trying to read tehpoofter in any mafia game is difficult. I think this medium will be easier to read him. So far still leaning scummy. And bunnies is also still scummy.
On May 21 2014 07:11 Yell0w wrote:SHE USED SARCASM! LET'S LYNCH HER!
FINALLY SOME LOGIC THANK YOU YELLOW!
On May 21 2014 07:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@HF- I am very much town this game. Pointing out mafia things in my post does not mean I'm mafia. It means I'm assesing the game and trying to find out who mafia are. But nice try in trolling me.
@Meapak- yeah, im a her.
No it means your mafia. Holy flare is on to something. He sees the same thing as me.
But HOLYFLARE are you having fun yet?
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Hell talk when he wants to just like you said you wanted to. Why are you attacking him for something that someone did to you? I dont think you liked it but you think it was towny of you to hold back your reads.
New player is no excuse you know better than that. Just because you dont know anyone doesnt mean you cant read them. Epicmafia (the site where you have over 2000 games on) are played with strangers all the time so what makes this different.
I think we got a mafia here everyone.
On May 21 2014 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:22 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:21 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care HF confirmed scum guys. Like 100000000000000000% Koshi and poofter pls vote him. steve mang gonna need more than that son Read our last game, it's not long. That's the most halfassed response I've ever seen Firstly you expect me to do work which is a nono Secondly you refuse to do work yourself which is unacceptable.
Why appeal to Koshi and poofter?
And I agree with Meapak
I didnt want to read the first 200 posts of this game why would I want to read more?
STILL NO LIKE YOUUUUUUUUUU
On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's where I am at.
I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.
I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more.
He asked you questions to get reads.
You did not answer them.
He got no read.
So how towny have you been this game on a scale of 0 to mafia bunnies?
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius i think he's town for this post: On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!" Not necessarily all scum aligned? Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town. Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?
HOW ARE THEY THE MOST OBVIOUS TOWNIE! Explanation is needed.
On May 21 2014 08:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
k HF and Steve both of you need to shut the fuck up.
Make a case and then leave for a bit to cool off.
Kita your response only gave me a semi :/
I got a role read on meapak. He got the Official role. He is here to break up fights and keep peace. Lets not start any more fights or else he might meet his win condition of breaking up 3 fights.
On May 21 2014 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
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despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close. On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
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As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then! On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does. Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results 1) it will be legendary 2 ) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2 What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad. Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good. Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch. And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness  Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town. I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most people don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done. Typical poof. So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion? We don't have an RNg shot and a lynch though, we just have a lynch. Let's RNG it. Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it. ##Vote: BlazinghandContribute or die. You think a newbie like you has a snowball's chance in hell of pushing a lynch on a vet like me? How cute
This is tehpoofter I like. Moved you to neutral. I think BH is town and is just fishing for reactions to his RNG lynch, kinda like him for it if he is doing it for the reasons I think he is doing it. Like tehpoofter now because he realises like I do BH should not get a free pass into the next day for pushing RNG and should actually contribute to the game.
BH we will summon the DM group and push you to be lynched. We like lynching people who think they are unlynchable ';-)
On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all.
Shit me and bunnies agreed on something...... Do I really have to reevaluate you?
Ive read up to the Hearthstone video. Thus far.
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On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town?
Nothing no posts at all no votes casted. The mod will replace him or mod kill him for inactivity. We might get 2 for 1 deal if you are right on odin. My theory and perspective on people who are not going to post is to allow them to get replaced so I can get a read on someone or just let them get mod killed and hope it was not a town being inactive.
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On May 21 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town? Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch. Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him.
Dammit she agreed with me again! My brain is hurting..... moving towards neutral.
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On May 21 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote:
uhhhh so your only read is steveling now tambo?
Fucking looks like it, and I really wanted to get you lynched day1.
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cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer.
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On May 21 2014 10:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:17 Cephiro wrote:
##Vote: 27ninjabunnies
27 ninja bunnies are more than enough to kill most of the players in this game. "I have my reasons to believe" that these bunnies are not aligned with town. She is a threat. Would lynch with all my heart.
Also BH, I RNG'ed my opinion about your RNG lynch, and the die said yes. So I'll get onto the wagon after this threat of ninjus is dealt with.
Like usual, I am the power that holds the balance together, meaning I can yet again do a lot of cool stuff to get rid of people with. Town for the win. I won't allow any other factions to join in, a few individuals at most if they get on their knees and beg, with a proper offering and succeeding in a mission given to them. Hi there. I may have an army of ninja bunnies at my disposal, but I assure you they are protecting town, not trying to kill them. So, why are you reading me mafia? This is your first post, and you vote on me. What are your reasons?
he actually read my post and agrees with it, prob skimmed the rest though
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On May 21 2014 11:05 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote:
cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer. Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today.
I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game.
Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now.
If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today.
I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion.
Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes?
BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter.
Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird.
Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck.
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On May 21 2014 11:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:57 geript wrote:
@Snooglewoogle. I need the blessings of ABBA to shoot Marv. Please make the appropriate sacrifices. Do you actually think Marv is scum or you just doing it cause he disagrees with you on slam? If you think scum is Slam and you shoot marv because you think hes cockblocking the lynch on slam that would be the most asinine play ever. Shoot who you think is lock scum lets find someone else scummy. What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/layabout?
Ok tehpoofter lets look at this situation as if it is SITD on EM. Im gonna stretch this a little bit just to prove a point in geripts favor.
He knows alakazam is mafia so why would he waste a bullet on him? You dont shoot revealed mafia you shoot orc's on alive to reveal other mafia and start lynching them.
This is the POV geript seems to be coming from.
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On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini
HATERS GONNA HATE CLICK ME
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On May 21 2014 11:29 ritoky wrote:
hello everybody. how are you this evening?
o wait....like 6 hrs in and 30 pages? oh god....time to start reading.
*ACHOOOOOO*
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On May 21 2014 11:33 Alakaslam wrote:I didn't like tambo's massive post. Also I am unsure how genuine geript is being. Marv, I dunno why he is defending me, so small suspicion there. I really haven't read much though. Versus lurking I have been shopping and stuff, and work required a lot of phone tiday.
Out of all the things you read you mention the thing that was just recently brought up about me by the person questioning you?
Thats so scummy brah
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On May 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:31 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game? I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you. Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you. What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town. well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy. It's also batshit retarded. Who do you actually think is mafia? yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards
He does deserve much more pressure youll get a better read of him, but he did do this shit last game and I tunneled on him hard to find him towny in 2 days
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions?
Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked?
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On May 21 2014 11:48 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote:
it's not trash talk i'm updating hapa on why i'm voting you because you're doing the exact same things and this game i'm town so really you are playing completely anti win-con this game (which is what you were doing last game too) and until you learn to respect that and actually play mafia then i'll say what i feel like What should I do then? How to be good towny?
Dislike this ALOT. You cannot be taught to be town you just are. Mafia has to try and act town.
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On May 21 2014 12:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:On May 21 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 12:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare I need you to clear something up for me sup are you town? ya 3 minutes to say 'ya'. I don't like it. ##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
From the way many people have told me to read HF, hes prob town he seems disappointed and not having fun. I hear he enjoys being mafia 100x more than he is town.
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Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
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On May 23 2014 00:48 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
You have also been repeatedly referred to as female
Dafuq who called me a woman
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways.
For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her.
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On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
EBWOP
Its actually 70...
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On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads.
Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part.
My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post.
At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post.
Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case.
With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction)
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents.
A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q,
having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game.
B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night.
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On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue?
They just claimed Blue without a specific role?
I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL.
To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role.
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On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
Video mafia
I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents. A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q, having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game. B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night. Ok I have no idea what you mean by the bolded. Show nested quote +My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Regarding your Day 1 play, one thing that makes me fairly suspicious of you was your entirely different approach to Day 1 in the recently concluded newbie game. In that game, you came out extremely confident with very straightforward pressure/reads. This is in complete contrast to this game, where your approach has reflected your "vague and inconclusive" self-descriptor.
With triple the amount of people and a lot more experienced players I have to change my play. With this being a closed set up and not a open one nothing can ever be confirmed so its going to be a lot harder then the noobie games ive played.
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role. Start reading the thread bro.
I wont finish 70 pages of thread in 4 hours
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On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
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On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. Show nested quote +I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones.
Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games.
Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game.
The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting
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On May 23 2014 01:24 Alakaslam wrote:![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoCAjFcIUAAYHyz.jpg) dis PHUNNY yo So like tambo this is sort of what happened to you
IM NOT A WOMAN
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On May 23 2014 01:30 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:28 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones. Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games. Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game. The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting I don't care about the context, I'm just trying to understand why you claimed you get mislynched a lot for writing longer posts, if that is not in fact the case.
Ok I understand now, I mis spoke on that sentence. I was thinking along the lines of more why would I get ML for posting a really long post with notes.
Honestly I do not even know what the hell I was trying to say.
Ill just go back to my V mafia point, I cannot build connections day 1 so I tend to sit back and not interject. Now I think I understand what I was getting at. Ive come out with some thoughts on what I thought was interesting so Im being more active than I usually am.
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Does anyone else have any questions for me? I would like to live and continue to scumhunt and will read the rest of the posts that have happened during the night phase.
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On May 23 2014 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Who?
I think refering to valenuis. there have been 3 votes casted on him in the past hour
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On May 23 2014 02:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:38 kitaman27 wrote:
It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle. You're not alone
Why?
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On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l
How did you know I was playing LoL
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I Vote:: tehpoofter
why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS
harharharhar
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On May 23 2014 03:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 03:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l He honestly did. Like a "Hey, no one's voting me now, I still have one day" type thing. I think tambo is a procrastinator. procrastinating scum or procrastinating town or procrastinating null? Prcrastinating scum. I still don't like tambo in this game. I think he thinks he has one more day, and will be all like "hey, I have anther day to make them think im town. Let me post more now."
Oh bunnies if I didnt know any better you're just a bit butt hurt cause I tunneled on you early game and just want the satisfaction of saying you got me ML because I get you ML a lot
Also just to rustle your jimmies some more click this
trolling FTW
and then this is what I did at end of that game
#wrekt
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar ##vote: mtamburniLet's play a game! I'm gonna give you a person. You're going tell me the towniest thing in their filter, the scummiest thing in your filter, and what you think their spirit animal is. You're also going to ignore that the previous sentence was grammatically incorrect and should have had "his/her" instead of their. VALENIUS! gogogo You can do the same to me when you return.
Town
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +Yell0w.+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow.
Scum
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!" Not necessarily all scum aligned?
Spirit animal
Chipmunk
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On May 23 2014 03:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 03:50 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 03:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 03:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l He honestly did. Like a "Hey, no one's voting me now, I still have one day" type thing. I think tambo is a procrastinator. procrastinating scum or procrastinating town or procrastinating null? Prcrastinating scum. I still don't like tambo in this game. I think he thinks he has one more day, and will be all like "hey, I have anther day to make them think im town. Let me post more now." Oh bunnies if I didnt know any better you're just a bit butt hurt cause I tunneled on you early game and just want the satisfaction of saying you got me ML because I get you ML a lot Also just to rustle your jimmies some more click this trolling FTWand then this is what I did at end of that game #wrekt What was that? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the big sounds and noises that are blaring "TAMBURINI IS MAFIA SCUM"Even if oyu aren't, yes. I will get deep satisfaction that your ass got mislynched. How does it feel tamburini? Huh? The fact everyone believes you are a girl and about to get lynched... To me it feels so sweet.
I love your enthusiasm it makes me laugh inside, FMPOV your calling me scum because im getting under your skin and its bothering you so you dont have any other response but to call me mafia. I know you know me better than this so I wouldnt be surprised if you were were not town aligned.
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On May 23 2014 03:59 austinmcc wrote:
Sorry, can you do those things and add why you chose them? That's my bad I guess for not including it.
Also, no desire to assign someone back?
town post because I like the long post with somewhat of an evaluation of each player. Reminds me of reading the paper and how the reporters are grading professional atheletes and how well they have done so far.
scum post because I feel like refering to the OP in such a way to look more towny without saying much.
spirit animal because it likes having nuts in its mouth and can climb trees super fast.
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On May 23 2014 04:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:01 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 03:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:50 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 03:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 03:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l He honestly did. Like a "Hey, no one's voting me now, I still have one day" type thing. I think tambo is a procrastinator. procrastinating scum or procrastinating town or procrastinating null? Prcrastinating scum. I still don't like tambo in this game. I think he thinks he has one more day, and will be all like "hey, I have anther day to make them think im town. Let me post more now." Oh bunnies if I didnt know any better you're just a bit butt hurt cause I tunneled on you early game and just want the satisfaction of saying you got me ML because I get you ML a lot Also just to rustle your jimmies some more click this trolling FTWand then this is what I did at end of that game #wrekt What was that? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the big sounds and noises that are blaring "TAMBURINI IS MAFIA SCUM"Even if oyu aren't, yes. I will get deep satisfaction that your ass got mislynched. How does it feel tamburini? Huh? The fact everyone believes you are a girl and about to get lynched... To me it feels so sweet. I love your enthusiasm it makes me laugh inside, FMPOV your calling me scum because im getting under your skin and its bothering you so you dont have any other response but to call me mafia. I know you know me better than this so I wouldnt be surprised if you were were not town aligned. It takes WAAAYYY more than this to get under my skin, and you know it. The reason why I'm calling you mafia is because you are playing a terrible game. your intitial post focussed on calling me scum, but even your reasoning werent great. You go afk (which whatever. you had 'reasons') and then come back to try and get pressure off of you, then ago afk again You haven't actively tried to find mafia. And you are just doing this stupid interaction with me. So if you are town here, you are terrible town. If you are mafia. GET REKT
Looks like you are trying to cover your tracks when I flip town when lynched that I was "terrible town" and needed to be removed from game anyways.
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On May 23 2014 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
Haha, I was just looking at hapa. Wants to see stuff from you before maybe moving to Odin, which would indicate that he's looking at the thread to see if you post anything.
But mtam is posting what mtam is posting, and hapa was JUST looking at mtam, and doesn't pop in for any kind of comment.
Are you referring to me as Manny Ramirez?
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Manny just being Manny.
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On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...?
I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.
Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear.
As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else.
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On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from?
tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny
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On May 23 2014 05:40 OnceKing wrote:small wagons: valenius (2) - kita, sqrt yell0w (1) - poof bunnies (1) - cephiro hf (1) - wos layabout (1) - ritoky poof (1) - tambo tambo literally had a pointless throwaway vote, i'd be glad to see him die kita wanted a lynch on blueyd but his vote is on valenius (?). didn't say much about odin, explain this? sqrt brushed aside the case on odin saying that he thought odin was vt, didn't say much otherwise. poof, cephiro, wos, ritoky afk (though wave and ritoky said they were gonna sleep so i don't draw much adverse inference from that) pedit: saw sqrt's list of late switchers kush changed before bh's case xatalos thru hf changed after bh's case hapa changed after making this post even though valenius didn't really post anything worthwhile everyone else basically sheeped BH's case (i mean it was good) post flip definitely dislike tambo more as well as one of valenius/hapa (moreso valenius atm) and afk people (poof, cephiro) dont know how i feel about kita or any of the people who sheeped gonna head out for a bit when i get back i'll be rereading
Was not sure if there was an option to NL or not so I threw my vote. Read into that as you want.
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So when doing voting histroy and analysis you must keep in mind of that there is more than just town and mafia in this game, a common strategy for mafia generally from what Ive heard (correct me if Im wrong) is to spread out their votes if they can so they all do not look scummy for voting together. Having said that think about the win condtions that the non threatening town aligned people could have.
The limitations for that faction are endless, I was thinking about it while I was at work. What if a win condition was something along the lines of protecting certain players? This could make them look really bad if that person ends up getting lynched and flip scum by assosiation.
Another thing I was thinking about is possible 3rd party win conditions. Correctly lynching/shooting someone from each faction. Or something like killing off an entire faction (town or mafia)
Just something to think about when doing the analysis as this is not a "normal" game
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On May 23 2014 06:19 austinmcc wrote:
geript i know i said i'd read steveling and i will. didn't get to it this morning.
mtam,
how does that stuff affect vote analysis for you? You sort of say that the non-normal nature of the game MIGHT change things, say what a normal mafia team might do, but...it feels like there should then be some kind of conclusion. Is there a particular way you think voting would change in any of those possible settings?
The conclusions I hope to draw from vote analysis mixed with some night actions could hopefully draw a couple lines making the factions more easier to see. A lot of what happened yesterday and next 2 days will be important when trying to draw lines.
There were a couple of POI yesterday me being one of them which vote analysis is going to help.
BH made a very good post that I was somewhat thinking about, I have not been posting a lot and not making very clear and procise thoughts about stuff thats going on etc etc Id like to hear from the people who pulled off me to lynch someone else.
Me knowing I am town people pulling off me must of had a good reason too think I was town towards end of game and for the people that didnt vote for me must of had a good reason why odin was more scummier than me.
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Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted?
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On May 24 2014 05:14 austinmcc wrote:gg dead town bros. gg also koshi, who apparently forced everyone into this game only to roll some faction and die N1. Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
Hey Austin, I want you to explain two things to me:
1. Why would not-town Hapa respond to me the way he did and get pissy at me and how I was playing?
2. Why do you even think I could be not-town? Reasons that I don't buy - to get town points, to buddy you, whatever. Reasons I can actually buy - at some point, a shitty thread may be good for mafia, but even mafia has to not want to read super duper shitty threads. The you vs. BH vs. steveling stuff could be toned down about 5 levels and still make thread slightly less legible, so I don't see it as full negative to try and get people to tone things down. His talk with you does read like he's legitimately concerned about what you're doing, not just getting town points. As far as why I can think you could be not-town, it's because I don't find you to be a shit poster or anything, and you're just continuing to do stuff that you have to know is anti-town. I can't go having a pookie pie who rolls town and chooses to much with the thread. Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:Ge ge guys. Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>? Read this, and tell me exactly why my case on Yell0w is not bad/damning: Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. ...because I think it's very strong, and much stronger than my case on Valenius. Someone voting RNG over their articulated scumreads is the most eye-catching things I can think of in a mafia game. As for Valenius - again, I think he is scum, but I have less concrete evidence to believe so. And hell, someone being suspicious of me is not a scumtell. Why on earth would that factor into my decisionmaking when reading him? Sure I'm suspicious of him for his lack of content elsewhere, but just for the case? No way. I'll look at yellow. Mostly ignored that filter. HF, interested in whether you were serious. ALSO DISLIKE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE LACK OF MTAM SHOT, WONDER WTF IS UP WITH THAT, AND MTAM'S COMMENT POST-DAYPOST IS Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote:
Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted? THAT'S NOT "WHO SAVED ME" OR "HF MAFIA LIED ABOUT SHOOTING" OR ANY KIND OF "WHAT JUST HAPPENED."That's someone knowing what happened, knowing they'd be saved or whatever. Booooooooooo.
I dont get it why would I be saved? I was the scummiest person yesterday
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The more likely suggestion if you think Im scum would be to assume that HF got roleblocked.
Did not read the night talk phase I went to bed and then just came back from work
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On May 24 2014 05:41 kushm4sta wrote:
so how is steveling scum if he is new to forum mafia (right?) and he has 17 pages. new scum don't do that.
So you are under the impression that new players that talk a lot and have a big filter cant be scum?
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On May 24 2014 05:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:51 Steveling wrote:
I don't like how BH was the first to clearly speak about the setting after all these kills happened.
Seems like he's one of them djinnis.
But then why did he claimed isaac?
But then why is scummy slam sheeping him?
It all rests in the isaac role and I'm willing to take the risk of unveiling a good town role too early than him being scum surviving until late game abusing his semi-claim. If BH is still alive at LYLO and hasn't produced something good with his role, I think it's safe to lynch him. It'd be stupid to force him to fully roleclaim right now.
How can one assume lylo?
Assuming that not all the 4 factions other than town have KP, they always have a chance to cross shoot eachother so its very hard to ever assume we are in a LYLO position at any point in this game is ludacris IMO
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Koshi voted for Xatalos and layabout I think its quite safe to assume they are not the same faction as koshi.
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On May 24 2014 06:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I already voted tambo, analyzed kill flavor (but actually correctly) and proved you wrong, all in like an hour! I'm a productivity tornado
I dont get it do you think Im scummy for that or towny?
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On May 24 2014 07:06 Xatalos wrote:
thrawn has really been under the radar so far. He could be scum (or some anti-town faction).
Does it really matter which?
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On May 24 2014 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
mtamburini: You've been here today and commented on some stuff. Could you actually scumhunt or something in that direction? Have you even caught up with the thread yet?
Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning.
With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening.
With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy.
Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone.
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On May 24 2014 07:49 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 07:47 mtamburini wrote:On May 24 2014 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
mtamburini: You've been here today and commented on some stuff. Could you actually scumhunt or something in that direction? Have you even caught up with the thread yet? Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning. With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening. With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy. Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone. From the sounds of it you have been around, you have managed to play games before why can't you put your time in now? Is it really that hard to play as scum for you?
Schools out and I work 60 hours a week during the summer time, the smaller games are easier to catch up on then this game. I was not anticipating the large amounts of posts.
Nice try and throwing in a BS shot at the end there only makes you look worse IMO.
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On May 24 2014 07:51 Tehpoofter wrote:So I'm behind. + Show Spoiler +I bought Civ 5 on Wed and haven't seen sunlight until I had to work tonight. On Page 86 catching up at work. I'll try to keep the front page refreshed while tab reading the other. Anyone have some cliffs on what has been going on? I read the relevant posts on deaths did we really do a RNG lynch on Odin? + Show Spoiler +Only good part is now I can just link this game if donkey BH or anyone else requests it in the future. Night deaths were weird from where I was when I left the thread (around page 80) Koshi seemed town but I guess third party so thats good assuming he didn't win with town. BKQ was a mafia read and MZ I had as town anyone claim a shot on any of them?
Im like 80% going to buy that game and its killing me inside because I need the money for school LOL. But it reminds me of my AOE 3 days but more complicated and interesting which I like. When Ill have the time to sit down for 5+ hours though beats me.
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On May 24 2014 07:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 07:47 mtamburini wrote:On May 24 2014 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
mtamburini: You've been here today and commented on some stuff. Could you actually scumhunt or something in that direction? Have you even caught up with the thread yet? Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning. With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening. With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy. Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone. You should make catching up and forming reads your top priority. It's not very constructive to read the latest pages and just make vague comments.
I appreciate the help and advice you are giving me, unfortunately the last time I remember getting spoonfed like this I ended up in the pocket of scum
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On May 24 2014 08:00 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 07:56 mtamburini wrote:On May 24 2014 07:51 Tehpoofter wrote:So I'm behind. + Show Spoiler +I bought Civ 5 on Wed and haven't seen sunlight until I had to work tonight. On Page 86 catching up at work. I'll try to keep the front page refreshed while tab reading the other. Anyone have some cliffs on what has been going on? I read the relevant posts on deaths did we really do a RNG lynch on Odin? + Show Spoiler +Only good part is now I can just link this game if donkey BH or anyone else requests it in the future. Night deaths were weird from where I was when I left the thread (around page 80) Koshi seemed town but I guess third party so thats good assuming he didn't win with town. BKQ was a mafia read and MZ I had as town anyone claim a shot on any of them? Im like 80% going to buy that game and its killing me inside because I need the money for school LOL. But it reminds me of my AOE 3 days but more complicated and interesting which I like. When Ill have the time to sit down for 5+ hours though beats me. You won't need the money for school because you'll forget you need to go. Also Girls don't play video games so not sure why you would buy it. Who should I focus on in your opinion tambo? Who is the scum?
The amount of hatred of you, bunnies, and geript BLIND my vision.
Based on shit thats happened since d2 start I dont know who to look at. Hapa brought up a decent case IMO about rikoty with him giving reads on me as scum but then slowly moving away from it without much reason (there should not be any reason as I did not really do anything IMO to change anyones minds about me yesterday.) He also never voted for me and only voted for layabout who was in his last scum reads with WOS if im nto mistaken. Look at what hapa has said about it i think its 2 or 3 pages back.
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So I have not caught up yet fully on everything that has happened so I will cast my vote now based on Hapa's current vote as I really like the way he built a case on rikoty, looking through his filter for the reason he casted his vote today bring up a good point on yellow, Im a reluctant to cast my vote on him because of our newbie game he was acting scummy and ended up being town but I trust in hapa right now.
##Vote: Yellow
I am headed to work now and if I can get some more reading and that will change my vote one way or the other it will happen but Im pretty much going all in with hapa ATM
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Where did the READ ALL button go! I hate skipping through pages
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BOYS I CANT BELIEVE I ACTUALLY READ EVERYTHING LAST NIGHT TO JUST HAVE GAME END.
Oh well shit happens gg it was interesting and fun while it lasted
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