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Now I started reading the thread just now and realized that there was a big block in my head. There are a lot of posts and meh, I could read them in order but what fun would that be? I believe there's some popular expression about only have one life or something and innovation won't come unless you're willing to step away from the norm. As a result, I'm just going to passively read the thread whenever I find time (i.e. never) and I'll just read filters. Here's how this is going to work. 1) If you are a reputable townie* and are getting a bad feeling about another player X** type in the thread: ##Foolishness Read: Person X 2) I will then commence reading that person's filter and analyzing them. This may include but is not limited to: interactions with other players in the game, town/mafia oriented posts, comparison to previous games, and final thoughts about the player. 3) I will return to the thread and post my findings along with any other pertinent information. Notes: *Only reputable town's will have their filter requests fulfilled. Examples of non-reputable towns are: players who I've filter read and am suspicious of, players who are excessively flaming/cursing or not being friendly, and BloodyC0bbler. **If Person X's name equals marvellosity, HolyFlare or WaveOfShadow your request will be ignored. Of course, I'll be watching the thread to see if anyone requests me to read a filter. Please be understanding if I take a while especially if there are multiple requests. I also reserve the right to be as detailed or broad in my analysis as I want. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote: ##Foolishness Read: Yell0w I really want to say "ask again later" cause I'm pretty sure on by day 2 we'll know for sure. Kinda one of those situations where you just need a few more data points (i.e. posts) to be sure. He was town in one other game here. He's going to be one you'll figure out by reading him that game. For example, I'm wagering a lot of people are going on about his posts where he votes for Odin and talks about random lynch. I don't really think this says much about his alignment and he's being transparent about it. In his newbie game he was very adamant about explaining his behavior (even when it was bizarre) so I don't think that's a problem. Also in his newbie game he did say that he was a new player and he did claim vanilla town at an odd time, so I wouldn't look too far into that if he says that his game (he already said he was new this game). I have a problem with the fact that he's not scumhunting and not making reads. That's what he does as town. So far there's been none of that. Problem is the game just started and that could be why (which is why I said we need him to post more). I'm not ready to vote for him, but also not opposed to it if you are. He hasn't given the town anything. I'd rather reevaluate on day 2. If he's still alive in the future then just do what I said above. Read his filter this game. Read his filter from his town game. If they look different, then lynch and don't ask questions. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:34 Hapahauli wrote: ##Foolishness Read: 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, mtamburini, Valenius Ninjabunnies I wouldn't lynch. Seems like she's putting effort into the game and is trying to figure things out. In a large game like this it says a lot for a player to be doing that on day 1. Mafia wait to see how cold the water is before treading out. Really I don't think a full analysis is warranted here, reevaluate her in a few days if you're suspicious. We should be after the people who are passively posting in the thread not the ones who are forcing people to talk or giving out reads. If you're not convinced, find a game where she's town/mafia and see what she does on day 1 and compare it to this game. By that I mean ask yourself if she put out thoughts in the thread and forced people to talk or not. I would definitely love to see some pressure on tamburini. Lots of people are hammering for his giant post but I don't think that's warranted. Reasons being: 1) the long post only means something if you think he's mafia and over-compensating to appear town. That means he's trying too hard to be town. 2) The kind of stuff he was saying in the long post is typical of his trollish behavior (for example look at his first 10ish posts here where he's town). 3) If instead of being one long post if that was 10 posts of spam like most people do you probably wouldn't be making these arguments. Instead I'm actually bothered by the following post: On May 21 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote: I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game. Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now. If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today. I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion. Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes? BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter. Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird. Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck. Why? He essentially listed about 6 people and said "I'm not sure but maybe..." about them. If you look at his town games he's much more direct about his accusations. Take a look at the following posts from his town games: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote: Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:10 mtamburini wrote: What question do you want asked, I gave my reasoning on why Yellow should be lynched today.. His sarcastic remarks (joking posts to some) are highly indicative of an experienced mafia not knowing what to say in that situation when caught in a contradiction as bunny pointed out. Next he asks someone how he shouldve responded to that to look more towny. As town people you dont care about acting towny because you are town, as mafia you care about acting towny so no one finds out your mafia. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2014 15:52 mtamburini wrote: I've got this really paranoid read that if we do not kill Yell0w today we should kill bunnies. Here is why. 1) She pressured Yell0w in beginning and there was mixed emotions on it with a lot of people defending him and she retracted her vote on him. She said something like well whatever then I wont vote on him. She can easily take her vote off and seem towny for it, but also she can be mafia with yell0w and then pressure him a bit with some reasoning that I liked but a lot of people didnt. Im a little confused I think there is at least one between them. Either bunnies is town and mafia defended Yell0w who is also mafia OR Trying to soft bus on Yell0w and see reactions from others and one of her partners steps in and defends Yell0w to gain some cred and distance themselves from bunnies. OR Yell0w is town Bunnies tried to get an easy ML on yell0w but no one was willing to go on it (but me afterwards) and her mafia partners distance away form her again. 2) It may be a stupid reason but she posted before she was drunk/tipsy then comes out the next day and says she got roleblocked. Why not say it in her first post? I mean OGI maybe but you do get notified when roleblocked so I dont think she does not check her inbox to see what message she got. a) Shes mafia and didnt really care if she got roleblocked b) Shes mafia and is faking she got roleblocked after reading whats happened. Shes already said shes not a role so she is probably gonna skate by today because of that but its something that is stuck in the back of my head and it gives me nightmares Look at how direct his accusations are. In the first spoiler post against yell0w (from the previous game not the current one we are in) he wrote that about 4 hours in. "This person is mafia because they did X Y and Z. If we're not lying this person we're lynching this other person because A and B". That's the kind of town that I like, not afraid to speak his mind and push what he thinks is right. His accusations this game (if you can even call them that) have not displayed the same level of directness. As a mafia, he would want to be doing that so he doesn't have to take responsibility later on. ##Vote: mtamburini Hilariously after these posts I've pretty much read the entire game of Newbie Mini LV. On May 21 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: @ foolishness/mattchew After you read a couple of the filters can you give a list of where you stand? Only responding by asking questions is lazy. Also I consider asking you guys to label who is posting what then realized Mattchew's signature will be the one with multiple cusswords. #Foolishness: Read: Xatalos Initial read on him is town. Remind me to read him again at night or day 2 if we're still around I'm looking at others first. And yes I'll be mindful of giving updates where I stand. As much as I'd like to I'm not just going to completely ignore the thread and everyone in it. I'll try to remember to sign the posts, but I said in my very first post that Mattchew is going to be gone for about a week. I don't think he'll have time to post until then so just assume it's Foolishness for now. --Foolishness | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:36 geript wrote: #Foolishness: read Geript I feel he's town off of this post: On May 21 2014 10:55 geript wrote: I get it. I'm a douchebag. Get over it; you're more than happy to be a douchebag a number of times too. Where is my logic bad? Where am I wrong? I've give two very distinct and accurate reasons for why Slam is confirmed scum. You disagree with them somehow? No. You just think I'm a prick. Last I recall, saving you've gone through conversion therapy recently, you happen to like pricks. So let me ask you again. Why is Slam reading the thread? Why isn't Slam gaining over BH's ring pile of horse crap? Like Slam has literally cherished every random pile of crazy/wacky/insane BH has done from many old past games; this one he just simply +1's the rng mess??? Wtf. Seriously. Hell, even his response to me is all wrong. There's no playfulness in it. Like if he were town he would've posted something crazy like Nixon saying "I am not a crook." You think he associates himself with princess peach there at all? No way. You think he associates me with Star fox at all? No way. When he is town, his posts are not random. The associations he makes are subconscious but they are not random. Like there are tons of town ways he would respond to that. There are tons of town ways he would enter the thread or +1 the rng mess. He hasn't done any of those. What isn't to get? I'm not really sure how to explain it. I guess it felt like a genuine town reaction. Outside of that though I feel like he's bringing up some good points that nobody else has. Any new information comes from townies. --Foolishness | ||
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On May 21 2014 16:04 geript wrote: I wS hoping you'd read me to comment on Slam Foolishness.  oh haha. I'll be straight, I have no idea how to read Alakaslam. And he's so bizarre (not sure if this is the right word) that I look at your arguments and I think, "wow that's pretty good...but does it actually mean something cause he's so bizarre!?!?". I like the guy but yeah can't read him, not opposed to his death at any stage. If I had to pick a person who you random yolo lynch if you have absolutely no idea I'd probably pick him. You got my approval. | ||
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geript, not sure what you saw about sqrt that set off the alarm bells but I didn't see anything. Also what are the arguments against jampidampi? I don't see anything noteworthy there either. Just a town guy doing his town thing. Austin, I'm not sure what your purpose was in asking me that question. Are you looking for proof that I am who I say I am? It's in the hydra name and signature. I don't think there's a specific rule about lying about this sort of thing but I feel it would be in bad taste to do so. | ||
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On May 22 2014 09:07 layabout wrote: WoS what happened to you? You used to believe in playing properly and got frustrated at people dicking around. What have you become?You seem quite eager to talk about things which aren't the game ##Foolishness Read: WaveofShadow On May 21 2014 12:32 mattisfoolish wrote: 1) If you are a reputable townie* and are getting a bad feeling about another player X** type in the thread: ##Foolishness Read: Person X Notes: **If Person X's name equals marvellosity, HolyFlare or WaveOfShadow your request will be ignored. | ||
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On May 22 2014 16:35 Blazinghand wrote: I'm fine lynching geript ![[image loading]](http://www.wallpaperhi.com/thumbnails/detail/20120201/looney%20tunes%20daffy%20duck%201650x1080%20wallpaper_www.wallpaperhi.com_25.jpg) | ||
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Can't post a case until later today if I'm still alive. But I encourage everyone to take a look at his town and mafia games and look at what he's done this game. For the record I'm not sure about mtamburini at the moment. Would probably still lynch but also willing to give him time. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote: kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town. This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one). + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote: Feels thrawn's town. wiley is town i think rayn is town i think VE is town balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote: i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote: godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town. I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point... For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote: and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote: koshi probalby scum also. all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against now he is speechless "Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics. However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter. Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. ##Vote: Kushm4sta | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:01 marvellosity wrote: you can't not agree, it's a simple fact that layabout talks about ritoky a lot layabout being mafia or not is another matter entirely I mean, layabout's stuff on Ritoky looks pretty solid. Unless someone else said it before him and he's just sheeping I don't know why you'd question layabout. | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:59 kitaman27 wrote: BlueyD Early on he takes the approach that I would expect knowing that Odin is likely town. Nothing too criminal here though. At multiple points, he takes a wishy washy approach to to his reads. Makes one point why a player is town, makes another point why a player is mafia, without coming to a conclusion. He does this with both Valenius and mtamburini. It's possible to be a townie who isn't really sure this early in the game, but I think it's a bigger concern considering he doesn't find many things suspicious early on. He shares the common opinion that the case on Cephiro feels stretch, but he doesn't say whether he feels that Cephiro is a town player that is forcing a case or if he is a mafia player that is pushing a player maliciously. Here is the part that I find severe: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: On May 22 2014 00:26 BlueyD wrote: Oh, fun, I just saw your newest post. You are literally townreading someone who is pushing for your lynch (poofter), and who has his vote on you. I don't even know anymore. On May 22 2014 09:58 BlueyD wrote: Hmmm there’s a decent amount of people townreading yellow and I don’t get it, at all. I think the 3 I was analyzing below were for town-yellow, huh. HF you’re one of those who townread him, why? Is he often lynched early when he’s town? Basically is he lynchbait? Cuz he still doesn’t look good to me. Here he essentially gives multiple reasons why he finds Yellow as scummy. First off, I don't find the reasons to be all that compelling. Him changing his mind on BH's rng policy isn't a huge deal, the setup and rng discussion is a minor point, but not the basis of a case, and town reading poofter who is voting for him seems more of a townie action than something you would expect from a mafia player. Secondly, he gives a really weird excuse for moving off yellow so easily. He moves his vote due to a lack of reply, but there is no real followup to his yellow case to push the player he believes to have caught as scum. He does mention that he finds hapa's post on tam valid, but throughout the entire day one he doesn't bring anything new to the table. It seems like he is looking for a player to vote, rather than scumhunt. Once he finds a player, he disappears from the thread for an 18 hour period. When he returns, he gives us this post. A ton of the time, you'll see a mafia player post something like that, blaming town for their incompetence, even though he showed that he didn't care enough to even show up at the lynch. It's real easy to blame others when you do nothing to actually stop it. He attacks Cavalinho for the way he handle the Odin/tam/val vote switch, which is fine in theory, but I think there is too much blame here based on a him not participating in an unrealistic last minute vote swing. Mafia will also generally go out of their way to complain about the blue claims when they see a bad one, which he does with steve and slam. Overall, I think he does enough to get by, but he hasn't done anything that makes me feel like he prioritizing figuring out the game, rather than doing what is necessary for survival. Leaning mafia. Will post about a couple others later tonight or tomorrow morning. +1 | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:10 marvellosity wrote: i wasn't questioning layabout you said "what is the case on ritoky" i said "look at layabout's filter (it has a lot of ritoky stuff)" what's the confusion? There isn't any, I understood what you meant the first time and I went and looked. I'm wondering why you're questioning layabout's alignment. This tells me either: 1) You think that Ritoky is town and Layabout is mafia. (If this is the case and you've said so I apologize for not catching it). 2) You know something the rest of us don't and are pushing an agenda. And before you deny that you're not questioning layabout: On May 24 2014 09:01 marvellosity wrote: you can't not agree, it's a simple fact that layabout talks about ritoky a lot layabout being mafia or not is another matter entirely | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:22 kitaman27 wrote: Since your case is so reliant on past behavior, I assume this is the conclusion you came to after looking through 3+ games of each alignment and not just the one that you pointed out? I used the following games: Town TL Mafia LXIV Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 SMB Mini Mafia Mafia Doctor Who Mafia 2 Default Suspicions Mafia Sicilian Mafia Style | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:44 Foolishness wrote: If you find good reason to think he's town bring it forth. We have plenty of good suspects for today (Ritoky, BlueyD, tambo and yell0w to some extent) that we can afford to wait on someone if we're not entirely sure. | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:46 geript wrote: That Kush wagon formed really fast. Pretty interesting. Sidenote: I realized why Foolishness has been Mislynched so often as of late. His cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore. Foolishness are you a whore? I plead the 5th. | ||
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