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9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.
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On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife.
i thought you were hosting. wtf.
##vote: Koshi
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On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.
It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.
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On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.
I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.
RNG V2
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Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.
LOL
##unvoted koshi btw
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On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz
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On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???
From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"
Not necessarily all scum aligned?
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On May 21 2014 07:54 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? I don't see how my wording implies I thought all or most of the factions to be scum factions. My orginal assumption was that there would be only one scum faction, since that is how it usually is.
At the risk of being shouted at for setup talk, I'd be a bit disappointed if it was one scum faction. Cross-shooting (see BH's post) would be funnier.
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On May 21 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!" Not necessarily all scum aligned? Thanks for the support, but you haven't explicitly stated what your thoughts are on the Odinofpergo lynch are. Now that the tide is turning against you, this might be your only chance to do so. So what's the deal?
In short; I'm okay with either or yours, or Yellow's method (if followed fully)
From some of the responses so far; Yellow's method wouldn't work due to enough unwilling players, which when votes would be spread wide not tall would nullify any effect of the random voting. Yours I'm okay with. Obviously oop hasn't posted yet, so he'll probably be pretty salty, and it would require probably.. 14 of the players signing on to it?
My first post that the steve carell posting guy got upset with was saying im shit at day 1's with 9 players (newbie games). I'll stand by this, regardless of whether he thinks its scummy or not. For me, RNG is about as good as me picking a d1 lynch target.
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On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons?
Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour.
Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit.
Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all.
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Yeah, active in a newbie game is a reasonable indicator.. I wouldnt agree that it is once were out of the paddling pool.
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On May 22 2014 01:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 01:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 01:04 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 00:54 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote:On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons? Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all. Townpile Explain? Scum doesnt take bathroom breaks to keep up. Wtf? Why not? Because as mafia you can just say. Guys I have had to work all day, I couldn't keep up but here are some ideas of mine: "yabbayabbayabba". Clearly this guy is so determined to find mafia he hides with his phone on a toilet to analyze posts. Doesn't get more townie than that.
wtf
Don't set me unrealistic goals of actually analysing stuff.
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On May 22 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
cav soooo angry this game
Just let him live to Day 2. plz.
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On May 22 2014 01:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 01:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm just going to say I don't disagree with either of you here.
It's simple.
That comment might get me to re-evaluate my willingness to lynch Vale.
But it's only going to happen when he backs it up with actual results..
What's the problem here? Sure. We can wait. I was half-half making a joke with the townpile while think that post was pretty townie.
Please stop talking about my health conditions.
I'll be home in like 30minutes, so sometime after that i'll try form up something that isn't a shitpost.
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sqrt my man.
also im typing up a post, i havent forgotten all of you lovelies.
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On May 22 2014 03:32 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Valenius, I would like to see your take on this.
On geript? I didn't think it was a joke, he realised he fucked up, ohshitshitshitshit, lynch steveling plz.
Fake claim from me.
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Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly.
I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard.
So.. + Show Spoiler +
Yell0w.
+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process.
Blazinghand
+ Show Spoiler +Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point.
Alakaslam
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
sqrtofneg1
+ Show Spoiler +
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
Cavalinho
+ Show Spoiler +You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink.
27ninjabunnies
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
Meapak_Ziphh
+ Show Spoiler +
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
bkqyrldp
+ Show Spoiler +I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town.
Kitaman27
+ Show Spoiler +The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro.
I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow.
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mysterymeat1 are you alive
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Oh sqrt. I meant to chase you up on this: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed."
When was this confirmed? Apologies if you answered it later and i missed it.
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On May 22 2014 08:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:20 Valenius wrote:
Oh sqrt. I meant to chase you up on this: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed."
When was this confirmed? Apologies if you answered it later and i missed it. Quote from OP: Besides Town there will be 4 other factions present. Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town! All factions endanger town, aka they're all anti town.
Ah. Different reads on that then. I read it as Town's wincondition is to eliminate all factions that can cause harm to town.
i.e.
3 scum groups, 1 mason group, kill scum, mason can live.
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On May 22 2014 08:20 Holyflare wrote:
btw didn't slam claim blue?
looked through his filter.. can't see anything before the post you just quoted.
there's just a lot about princess peach, beets, hula hoops and i think he went into yoda mode halfway through.
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On May 22 2014 08:40 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 08:24 Valenius wrote:On May 22 2014 08:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 08:20 Valenius wrote:
Oh sqrt. I meant to chase you up on this: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed."
When was this confirmed? Apologies if you answered it later and i missed it. Quote from OP: Besides Town there will be 4 other factions present. Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town! All factions endanger town, aka they're all anti town. Ah. Different reads on that then. I read it as Town's wincondition is to eliminate all factions that can cause harm to town. i.e. 3 scum groups, 1 mason group, kill scum, mason can live. Besides Town there will be 4 other factions present. Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town! It's Eliminate all Factions-COMMA- which endanger town! not Eliminate all Factions which endanger town! Let me clarify the town-wincondition.
ELIMINATE ALL FACTIONS THAT ARE THREATENING TOWN!
I am sorry if this caused any issue, but English is not my primary language and screw-ups happen.
This does NOT confirm or deny the existence of hypothetical benign factions to town.
BOOM SUCK IT SQRT
(Thanks for clarification)
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On May 22 2014 08:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
And I'm finally caught up in reading! should be a lt easier to keep up now.
I don't think my newbie game reached anywhere near this many pages.....
In my 2nd game we had like a 3-4 page day 3. That happens in 20 minutes here -.-
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How long till deadline, vote count isnt showing it for me in mobile browser? On a train for next 20 mins with shit reception :tunnels:
OK, youre better than this. Go back to being the long thought out case guy instead of 'hes shit so hes scum'
I made that point in one of my first posts, I suck at day1.
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I've said that the previous newbie games have stressed me out. I tried as hard as I could to look townie, including tunneling people just because I had one vote on me in day1. The game wasn't fun for me like that, so i'm not putting that level of effort in. I've had terrible reads on both day 1's ive played, and I don't have any better ones this game.
Gonna go read BH's case now.
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Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first.
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Hapa:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Two things: @ HolyflareWhy are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius
He then jumps over onto mtamburini after his/her bunnies post, which is later followed by:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Alright finished reading the thread, and my thoughts haven't changed too much. mtamburini's still my lynch of choice today. I've already made some thoughts on her larger quote-bomb post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=38#745http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=40#787...and foolishness has a post on her as well... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? She quote's ceph's giant case on Bunnies and basically blindly agrees with it. There's no indication in this post that she's actually read the damn thing - it's almost like she looks at the case, sees it's big, and just sheeps it. Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Of all the points against her, I think this is the most compelling.
Ritoky/ValeniusI've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes.
"I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates." - What?!? You were pushing me early on when nobody else except MZ really was, and you seem like you've just rediscovered that you think im scummy?
You then seem to completely drop off me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:09 layabout wrote:If marv convinces yall to lynch me, which i am rather tempted to just let happen you should flip this guy: On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout this is his first and only mention of me. it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread. a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny. it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever. I am dissapointed in you guys Be dissappointed in your own play. This is literally the first read of any substance you've made all game. Talk to me about some other people - mtamburini and ritoky are a good start.
Surely if you think i'm scummy, you'd be mentioning me in that list?
You then come back onto me when:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DciHBnMnlo Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh.
OnceKing posts his 'observation' which ive already said i think is a ridiculously easy one to make. I even bolded my own town/null reads for ease of viewing.
Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour.
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Same destination, just a wildly different journey.
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On May 23 2014 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote:
Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour. More so than Odin?
My comment there was more referring to my own original™ reads. BH's case on Odin is still where my vote is.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on hapa? Not for today's lynch (obv), but going forwards?
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On May 23 2014 04:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So we're voting the guy who's gonna get modkilled over the guy giving the thread the middle finger? I wasn't sure of mtams alignment until reading these past few pages, look at the difference between Val and Mtam. Val has been open and reasonably helpful. Mtam on the other hand gives nothing good.
Let's let the mods do the work on Odin and lynch Mtam.
Forgive my idiocy.. why would odin be modkilled? Mystermeat could be?
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On May 23 2014 04:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have things changed?
No vote used to be a modkill...
ah. didn't think of not voting, was only considering activity. ta.
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On May 23 2014 06:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Valenius, anything you want to say?
hi sqrt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
do you have better reasons for voting me other than meta (which ive explained) and going from
"I don't think tambo is the correct lynch right now.
Neither do I think val is"
to
"I recommend lynching Val"
in half an hour, with only your meta read?
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Shut up Koshi, come back to our QT.
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No, ignore me too. Mod clarification?
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Austin, I brought up my own reads on hapa for pretty much the first half of your post, coming to pretty much the same conclusions on him.
Side note though: I was alright for following the rng lynch earlier on, hence my "Same destination, just a different journey" after voting.
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Incase it's meeee; Somebody give sqrt a hard time.
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On May 24 2014 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
Going to be away for a while, hopefully tambo shot clears things up.
???
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On May 24 2014 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:On May 24 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2014 05:43 austinmcc wrote:On May 24 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp, austinmcc, layabout, Steveling, Meapak_Ziphh Valenius (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1 geript (0): Holyflare, StevelingKoshi (0): ValeniusSteveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geriptAlakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4staHapahauli (0): kushm4staYell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyDXatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4stajampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27bkqyrldp (0): marvellosityOdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldpBlazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunniesmarvellosity (0): kushm4stalayabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky ritoky (0): austinmcc, layaboutBlueyD (0): kitaman27Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes!
I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories: - People off of the main wagons
- People who voted Odin
- People who voted Tambo
People off of the main wagons:There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini+ Show Spoiler +Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from? tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction.
I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion.
Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. That's Hapa's voting analysis thingy Hapa I don't think Cephiro is mafia atm. His whole bunnies thing was sooo convoluted. And I've seen him all over the place like that as town before. I remember catching him in LXII and his posts were much clearer. So yeah. sqrt I think I agree on, the Odin townread does kinda reek of TMI. On May 24 2014 05:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Woah, those kills are interesting.
Filter dive time. On May 24 2014 05:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I think koshi's partner/teammate in his faction is jampi. On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.
Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.
@Marv/geript
I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.
What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?
I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1. It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. On May 24 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I can't find anything of value imo in bkq's filter...
Also in MK's too.
I'm bad at using town filters. Is it me or is that like scumslip city I don't think so? Am I missing something? On May 24 2014 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 05:45 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 05:40 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:17 kitaman27 wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 05:11 kitaman27 wrote:Mercury is the element of water, and therefore encompasses water and ice. Mercury is symbiotic with Jupiter, neutral toward Venus, and in conflict with Mars. Hmm, sounds like factions could possibly be allied/rivals of other factions based on this description from the wiki. So it would be like this? Town Scum Mercury Jupiter Mars or something I would think: Town Venus Mercury Jupiter Mars If it's like that, then some of the other factions may be hostile towards each others, some may be neutral, allied etc... I think ShiaoPi would rather go for a like 2+2+2+2 setup, right? so that would be 8 scum vs 24 town. if scum have 4 kp, worst case scenario for town is D1: 24-2-2-2-2, mislynch, 4 shots D2: 19-2-2-2-2 mislynch, 4 shots D3: 14-2-2-2-2 LYLO? since presumably you'd need to lynch both scum to stop a scumteam's kp. Of course, there will be scum shooting at each other etc also happening which will help, but I think I could see the setup with 4x2 scum being balanced That seems plausible. It also means that it would be best if we got rid of the remaining Mercury (or Mercuries) to reduce KP? That's true. At the moment I'd rather lynch mtamb, but assuming we can actually find him (and that he's not mtamb), the last frost/mercury warrior, Koshi's buddy, is the best lynch today. Here's what we know about him: 1) he was koshi's scumbuddy 2) his kp was the one that was blocked last night, since fire, lightning, and earth flavors all existed Errr... you're making a ton of assumptions to get to #2 yo. 1) We don't know if KP is factional or by person. 2) Even if it is by person, how do we know that one of the other factions didn't have their KP blocked? His kp, his team's kp, same thing. But the point is, mercury = water, there was no water aligned kp, all the other kp had lightning, fire, and earth. It seems clear to me that the mercury guy had his kp blocked
Do they have to have a kp?
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On May 24 2014 06:53 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:49 austinmcc wrote:On May 24 2014 06:45 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:42 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling. PLEASE. BH is not getting lynched today, not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin. He's unlikely mafia with what he's saying. PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE. No blue. No BH. No Isaac. No nothing.
Some people in this game are MAFIA. If you are town they want to SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE.
EVEN IN THE SCENARIO WHERE BH IS MAFIA, ALL THAT YOUR POSTING IS DOING IS LETTING MAFIA THROW A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO THE THREAD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE THREAD AND IT'S ACTIVELY NOT GOOD FOR CATCHING BH IF HE'S MAFIA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR MAKING A MESS.
Please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can super relate to being overly paranoid and finding connections in odd places. In my first large game, I thought one guy might be scum because he mentioned it was difficult to type. I found out that one of the villians in the show that was the theme had a bandaid on his head. I would not shut up for a day or so about how he was mafia, but did not know his teammates and they had to find each other, thus, he was signalling his teammates he was mafia by referring to the bandaid. It was not true. It was also incredibly ridiculous.
Really though that all caps paragraph. It's true. If he's mafia, this isn't helping to lynch him or catch him or anything. It's bad for us. If he's not mafia, still bad for us. All of this assumes right now that you are town. If you are mafia, carry on. I'm only asking why he revealed his role since he knew that he can be recruited. Is this a bad question? I will say that if he's truthful and says yes, then that's BAD FOR US BECAUSE SCUM COULD RECRUIT SOME DUDE THAT IS APPARENTLY IMPORTANT. If he's truthful and says no, then scum know not to try. If he lies, we're SOL anyway because we don't know what the truth is. We also have no way of telling whether he's truthful or lying. So at BEST it gives us nothing, and at WORST the more BH talks about this, the better an idea scum get of how to deal with BH and maybe slam and maybe that elderly heterosexual peruvian guy now. I am ALSO going to leave this spoiler here, and you should click it. + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. On May 24 2014 06:35 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch BH for obviously getting recruited N1 Ditto. On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. On May 24 2014 06:42 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. As I said, the only joke in this thread is you're posting. *your On May 24 2014 06:44 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
anyway BH and I are confirmed town to each other, so can we just stop this please? Or scum. and see whether it matches up with the question I'm responding to. Then I'm really going to get away from thread for a few hours. Since he specifically was told that he can be recruited that also means that the role that can recruit him received "you can recruit the Isaac role and do X things with him". This is why he shouldn't reveal his role under any pressure let alone as a joke d1.
"You can be controlled by a djinn" .. doesn't mentioned recruitment.
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On May 24 2014 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:58 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:56 Valenius wrote:On May 24 2014 06:53 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:49 austinmcc wrote:On May 24 2014 06:45 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:42 austinmcc wrote:
Steveling. PLEASE. BH is not getting lynched today, not by the hairs on my chinny chin chin. He's unlikely mafia with what he's saying. PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE. No blue. No BH. No Isaac. No nothing.
Some people in this game are MAFIA. If you are town they want to SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE.
EVEN IN THE SCENARIO WHERE BH IS MAFIA, ALL THAT YOUR POSTING IS DOING IS LETTING MAFIA THROW A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO THE THREAD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE THREAD AND IT'S ACTIVELY NOT GOOD FOR CATCHING BH IF HE'S MAFIA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR MAKING A MESS.
Please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can super relate to being overly paranoid and finding connections in odd places. In my first large game, I thought one guy might be scum because he mentioned it was difficult to type. I found out that one of the villians in the show that was the theme had a bandaid on his head. I would not shut up for a day or so about how he was mafia, but did not know his teammates and they had to find each other, thus, he was signalling his teammates he was mafia by referring to the bandaid. It was not true. It was also incredibly ridiculous.
Really though that all caps paragraph. It's true. If he's mafia, this isn't helping to lynch him or catch him or anything. It's bad for us. If he's not mafia, still bad for us. All of this assumes right now that you are town. If you are mafia, carry on. I'm only asking why he revealed his role since he knew that he can be recruited. Is this a bad question? I will say that if he's truthful and says yes, then that's BAD FOR US BECAUSE SCUM COULD RECRUIT SOME DUDE THAT IS APPARENTLY IMPORTANT. If he's truthful and says no, then scum know not to try. If he lies, we're SOL anyway because we don't know what the truth is. We also have no way of telling whether he's truthful or lying. So at BEST it gives us nothing, and at WORST the more BH talks about this, the better an idea scum get of how to deal with BH and maybe slam and maybe that elderly heterosexual peruvian guy now. I am ALSO going to leave this spoiler here, and you should click it. + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. On May 24 2014 06:35 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch BH for obviously getting recruited N1 Ditto. On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. On May 24 2014 06:42 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote:
Lmao.
Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. Look, let's say someone was really, really townie D1. then he has a lax few days after that, but we cut him slack cause he was townie D1, right? Well shit man I want people to know what I know. There's no need to keep town in the dark. Scum already know I'm an important blue. Might as well share. But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. My Isaac roleclaim is not a joke. The only joke in here is your posting. Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. Unless you get enough people to vote me that I think I am getting lynched, I will respond to no further questions from anyone about anything related to my role. I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. As I said, the only joke in this thread is you're posting. *your On May 24 2014 06:44 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
anyway BH and I are confirmed town to each other, so can we just stop this please? Or scum. and see whether it matches up with the question I'm responding to. Then I'm really going to get away from thread for a few hours. Since he specifically was told that he can be recruited that also means that the role that can recruit him received "you can recruit the Isaac role and do X things with him". This is why he shouldn't reveal his role under any pressure let alone as a joke d1. "You can be controlled by a djinn" .. doesn't mentioned recruitment. Yes my bad but point still stands. He shouldn't reveal he's Isaac in the first place. TBH, I don't think mafia have that much incentive to kill townies in the first place. If you look at the 3 night kills, they look more like shots against enemy factions than killing dangerous townies (with *maybe* the exception of bkq).
It's either that or they went with the BH strategy. RNG ALL THE TIME
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On May 24 2014 07:03 Steveling wrote:
Yet val found your post logical, hmmmm.
i dont think i've mentioned xat in a while? are you misreading me quoting hapa..?
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On May 23 2014 07:13 Valenius wrote:hi sqrt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ do you have better reasons for voting me other than meta (which ive explained) and going from "I don't think tambo is the correct lynch right now. Neither do I think val is" to "I recommend lynching Val" in half an hour, with only your meta read?
SQRT. you asked me if i had anythign to say, i said it:
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slam -.- i suck at this game and even i'd figured that out beforehand -.-
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so.. when BH posted his case on someone who you thought town, and others have said they thought his case was bad, why weren't you on that and trying to not get a town read lynched? :s
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and 'going on meta reads'? you meta read me as scum before. i dont think i've done -that- much to change from my day 1 play?
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Apologies for my absence.
My initial thoughts on austin are that we need to lynch him. There's no way that we can know (unless anyone has an alignment check) if he's true neutral or scum-sided. Every night that we let him recruit would push us further away from our win-condition if he's scum. If he's neutral, I'd be okay with letting him live, assuming what he's said so far is truthful.
My gut read on him is that he's not scum-sided, but I don't know if that's enough to not lynch him.
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Austin; Does it mention what would happen if you tried to recruit a scum-aligned player?
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On May 25 2014 22:58 layabout wrote:
If we are taking a risk i think there is a pretty good chance kush will flip red.
I don't like how he is happy about austin. I also don't feel like killing austin.
I'm of the same mindset. I don't believe based on his actions so far that he's playing against town. Depending on how recruiting a scum would work; it -could- be beneficial to keep him alive.
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On May 26 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote:
Since trying to hide faction doesn't work, I'm mars. Fire. I THINK that all 4 factions are elemental djinn things, but don't know for sure. Mah nemesis IS another element.
Each night I can attach a fire djinn to someone. That djinn burns away the role that the person has and adds a new one (I have a set number of djinn, in my head they're pokemon, and each has a certain ability. I give the person that djinn, their old role is gone, they now have the role of the attached djinn).
If I target a townie, the townie is recruited and joins me. Their old role gone, new role in place. Not a control thing, and not temporary.
If I target a scummer, I burn away any role they had, lose my pokemans, and DO NOT recruit. Yes, it would be way unbalanced if I could recruit mafia, change their wincon.
However, fire is a bit unstable, and so IF I choose to add someone, I also burn a random person for 1 KP. So i HAVE KP, and I could pledge, for the most part, not to use it (i have to recruit more to have a shot at winning, but could hold off for a while or something), but I cannot target anyone in particular. Anyway, I can target a recruit, and if I use it the random KP hits, but I cannot target the KP.
Anyway, it looks like all the kill is flavored. My shot hit the smurf last night. Some of my posts from earlier this cycle are smurf-guy-focused, I know that peruvian had a sandro read on it and whatnot, but I'm the one who killed it. Anyway, you should be able to see that I talk more about the smurf kill than the others, it was mine, but no, I'm not actually suspicious of other folks for that kill, the peruvian is suspicious for his own crap.
Does it mention if the random 1kp fires if you fail to recruit a scum?
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Whether you choose to believe it or not; I have not been converted.
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My two trains of thought following the updated info:
1) Lynch him; The recruitment of town and random kp is too risky.
2) Leave him, for now; The recruitment of town would prove they -were- town, and Xat can convert them back afterwards, if he's in a suitable position to do so. The attempted recruitment of scum would allow him to out them to us. This would obv require teamwork between us and him.
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Oh, and 2) - Believe in RNGesus on the random kp
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That's what I've been thinking since he claimed it. If scum decide the risk of him being alive and getting a failed recruitment is worth a kp, excellent; 1 less kp on a potential townie, and we don't lose anything else.
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Right, based on the points I've said, I'm not lynching austin today.
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On May 26 2014 02:06 BlueyD wrote:
What's the faction you need to kill off?
There's no way he's answering that based on his previous response to giving his recruit..
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On May 26 2014 02:30 BlueyD wrote:
Are there even scum factions in this game? I see 3 elemental KPs and one 3P death from the other element. That's 4 factions. And now Austin claims to be 3P as well from one of the elements.
What if they're all 3P? Could that even happen?
"4 djinni factions fighting each other, town get caught in the crossfire" ?
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I'd rather lynch:
Kush - His more recent contributions have been 'lynch him' 'do u people not get it lol. scum are scumhunting' and 'cool now everybody is going to pop into the thread and write two paragraphs saying austin should be lynched'. If none of us had popped in, gave our thoughts on the situation and pressured the case (one way or another), then we wouldn't have gotten as much info out of this as we have. He's also been pretty adamant that scumhunting is useless, so unless he has a better idea of how we can find scum (apart from [presumably] 1 cop check a night) then i'd love to hear it. Otherwise, a better candidate for me than austin.
OnceKing - Seems to be up to date with the thread, and is still pushing pretty easy targets for shit reasons.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2014 00:48 OnceKing wrote:
k voting austin
sorry i haven't been around, last two days have been pretty hectic for me
other people who have dropped off the face of the earth: tambo, valenius, thrawn off the top of my head
i mean yeah tambo and valenius have posted recently but that doesn't change the fact that they're still just trying to just get by
now uncertain on ritoky. the defense "feels" genuine but i can't really put my finger on why; looking at his big post it's pretty much just commentary and i don't really agree with his reads lmao.
i dislike the defense of yell0w and hapa's standpoint makes sense to me. if you've got an actual strong scumread there's no purpose to go with rng over a read.
so after today's lynch, ok with lynching:
- tambo
- valenius
- thrawn
- yell0w
This looks like it was thrown together in 2 minutes, and 3/4 of his accepted lynches are people who've been quieter. That brings me onto another point actually; At no point in the game has he said 'Yeah, i dont think we should lynch valenius'. I've been in his sights since he started, and I've felt pretty much 0 pressure from him on it. I've had one decent scumread previously on hapa, which I made a case on and tried to push, which austin then took up and got hapa to talk. See here for mentions of me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 04:25 OnceKing wrote:
Actually I'm super curious
Valenius do you have any scum reads, everything you have in the spoilers seems to be "i don't understand what you're saying" or "town" On May 22 2014 05:07 OnceKing wrote:
Still catching up.
Right now I'm ok with a valenius or layabout lynch, gotta read through tambo filter cause someone on the last page said they wouldn't mind splitting the vote between tambo and layabout On May 22 2014 14:04 OnceKing wrote:
back
still happy with a layabout lynch
in the two games i've had with cav his existence as town has been as an angry mole so i'm comfy with calling him town
tambo's sketchy, valenius still hasn't responded to my question or to this thread at all beyond talking about setup speculation.
valenius do you have any non-null or non-wussy reads On May 22 2014 14:22 OnceKing wrote:
ANYWAY thats pretty pointless to talk about now unless you're complaining about the fact that i think you're town right now
what do you make of valenius cav On May 22 2014 14:39 OnceKing wrote:
setup speculation
talks about stuff and people without drawing inference towards alignment
all speak to "contributing" but not actually doing so
so yeah layabout's #1 and valenius is #2 On May 22 2014 14:40 OnceKing wrote:
cav what makes you think valenius is playing a scummy town rather than just being scum On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius On May 23 2014 02:28 OnceKing wrote:
gr8
so do you wanna lynch valenius or no kita On May 23 2014 02:39 OnceKing wrote:
because it means that some people are suspicious or at least pretending to be suspicious of him, over other wagons like tambo and valenius
so what makes him a more suspicious fella worth suspecting over anyone else? On May 23 2014 03:15 OnceKing wrote:
i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff
i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo On May 23 2014 04:39 OnceKing wrote:i already had been making my points on valenius cavalinho doesn't think valenius is scum and he states why a bit after that it's entirely possible valenius is just a slow starter so... benefit of the doubt i just thought bh's case was better On May 23 2014 04:45 OnceKing wrote:
what
who is "he"
if he is me then yea... so what. i still think valenius is scum but i accept that he might be a slow starter and think the case on odin is better
if he is cav then... idk what you're writing LOL On May 23 2014 05:40 OnceKing wrote:small wagons: valenius (2) - kita, sqrt yell0w (1) - poof bunnies (1) - cephiro hf (1) - wos layabout (1) - ritoky poof (1) - tambo tambo literally had a pointless throwaway vote, i'd be glad to see him die kita wanted a lynch on blueyd but his vote is on valenius (?). didn't say much about odin, explain this? sqrt brushed aside the case on odin saying that he thought odin was vt, didn't say much otherwise. poof, cephiro, wos, ritoky afk (though wave and ritoky said they were gonna sleep so i don't draw much adverse inference from that) pedit: saw sqrt's list of late switchers kush changed before bh's case xatalos thru hf changed after bh's case hapa changed after making this post even though valenius didn't really post anything worthwhile everyone else basically sheeped BH's case (i mean it was good) post flip definitely dislike tambo more as well as one of valenius/hapa (moreso valenius atm) and afk people (poof, cephiro) dont know how i feel about kita or any of the people who sheeped gonna head out for a bit when i get back i'll be rereading On May 23 2014 10:45 OnceKing wrote:Outliers tambo+ Show Spoiler +do we still need to talk about this guy oh his thing on how to do a vote analysis in this game draws no conclusions, then when he's pressed for conclusions based off of his observations/what he says we should do he writes a twisted spiel that doesn't do what's asked of it. Basically that post says "im town, people who unvoted me are town, im not being very clear". None of that says anything specific or helpful, and it seems like he's just trying to cover up a lack of contribution with a lot of words. scum mostly uncomfortable with the fact that the last known tambo sighting in his filter was "getting a lot worse in my mind" and then he dropped the subject like a hot potato on toppa that his later final suspect list was between WoS and layabout, and his reasoning for either is either sketchy or not specific this is the post: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout he wants to lynch WoS cause he thinks WoS is wrong. since when is someone scum just for disagreeing with you? he wants to lynch layabout because he's "shit filling". ok... shit filling how? is it by only posting +1s and jokes? is it by not giving reads? he doesn't say any of that or specify how layabout's posting is shitty, he just calls it shit filling cause other people already said he was shitting up the thread and hoped he wouldn't have to explain it. probably scum it's all basically meta... i don't know enough to say whether this is good or not
i dislike such heavy use of meta but it's a pretty legit scumhunting tool, i really just wanna defer to opinions of others on his prior posting. we'll see how the replacement does. his feelings on ritoky are the same as mine but that doesn't really mean much.
null townish atm just by looking at his filter. i think he's writing stuff that makes sense though i don't necessarily agree with his conclusion on bunnies. i need to read the back and forth more carefully so the jury's still out on how i feel about both him and bunnies lots of discussion about RNG with BH, then this reaction to being called a newbie feels legit i like him for town, he's pushing discussion and his reads and he also addressed cephiro's case on bunnies with the same argument that i had reading through it the first time (i townread people all the time for thinking what i'm thinking as town). , i know you said marv allayed your initial suspicions of him but i'd like you to tell me why you didn't like him to begin with in more detail kita+ Show Spoiler +decent amount of posting, no real positions taken. he suspected poof for committing the unholy trinity or whatever but in the very same post said that he's not convinced poof is mafia (despite the fact that he committed the unholy trinity??). he's just super soft on everyone -- doesn't wanna lynch jampi, says a bit about HF but doesn't wanna lynch him, no hard position on tambo, so on so forth actually the more i think about this the more unhappy i am with him, he dodged a question also about the counterwagons for tambo by posting stuff about characters from Golden Sun, kinda-not-really pushes BlueyD... i'd like everyone to take a closer look at him. probably scum posts a whole lot of lists and one liners, from what i recall this is pretty much what sqrt has done as town in most of his games. would like for him to go more in-depth on stuff though
null to town
other stuff BlueyDShow nested quote +On May 23 2014 07:45 BlueyD wrote:
Are you kidding me?
We actually lynched the RNG target. What the hell. You're all bad.
Only had time to check the lynch, Will be back later. are you kidding me? you don't do anything then come back after the lynch to bitch at us without even reading the thread and immediately peace out again Valeniusstill think he's mafia until he does something to convince me otherwise (spoilers: he hasn't) On May 24 2014 08:48 OnceKing wrote:
caught up now
cool with lynching:
- tambo
- valenius
- kush
- ritoky
i needa read through thrawn's stuff though looks like a lotta people don't like 'im On May 26 2014 00:48 OnceKing wrote:
k voting austin
sorry i haven't been around, last two days have been pretty hectic for me
other people who have dropped off the face of the earth: tambo, valenius, thrawn off the top of my head
i mean yeah tambo and valenius have posted recently but that doesn't change the fact that they're still just trying to just get by
now uncertain on ritoky. the defense "feels" genuine but i can't really put my finger on why; looking at his big post it's pretty much just commentary and i don't really agree with his reads lmao.
i dislike the defense of yell0w and hapa's standpoint makes sense to me. if you've got an actual strong scumread there's no purpose to go with rng over a read.
so after today's lynch, ok with lynching:
- tambo
- valenius
- thrawn
- yell0w
That's 14 posts where he's said he think i'm scum, and 2 where he's using someone elses townread of me. If you've got that much of a read on someone that you're willing to mention them 14 times as being a lynch candidate, you'd surely put some sort of pressure on them.. right? I feel like he's an annoying fly buzzing somewhere behind the curtain, not flying around my head.
I hate to bring out the meta read, based on how different i've been trying to play, but; In previous town game he was leading town and preparing excellent cases on players. This feels more like his mafia game where he was more lurky. This feels like he's just sinking into the furniture.
I will cut him some slack being a replacement, and how much of a step up from a 50 page game to 200+ pages day 2 (i've struggled with that), but not enough to form anything but a scumread on him.
All of his votes have had little to no reasoning behind them either:
On May 24 2014 08:48 OnceKing wrote:
ebwop totally hopping on dat kush wagon
On May 24 2014 05:06 OnceKing wrote:
i'm gonna head out for a bit to go climb
in the meantime i feel pretty safe just plopping down my vote on tambo
On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo
That's my read for today:
##Vote: OnceKing
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On May 26 2014 01:48 Valenius wrote:
Whether you choose to believe it or not; I have not been converted.
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I've said it previously: I believe austin, and I think we can get better results lynching elsewhere.
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On May 26 2014 03:08 OnceKing wrote:
also i think it's hilarious that i'm your "read of the day" valenius
"woo i submitted my homework, one person i think is scum. alright my obligation is done now c u tomorrow"
Do I get at least a B?
It still doesn't change that the majority of my case "You've said names and done nothing to follow them up".
Also, would you have preferred it if I hadn't of given anything on people I found scummy? The talk was clearly all on whether or not to lynch austin (People know my thoughts on this), and i could've easily blended in with the crowd on lynching him if i'd have wanted to.
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Also, kush; Thanks for your feedback, super helpful.
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On May 26 2014 03:15 Xatalos wrote:
2 less townies? Can he double convert?
shouldve been 2 or less possible townies.
1 random kp - town or scum or 3p hit
1 convert - covert on town, or null on scum
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Austin, are you willing to reveal how many pokemon you have?
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On May 26 2014 03:32 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:29 Xatalos wrote:On May 26 2014 03:23 austinmcc wrote:On May 26 2014 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
What do you think would happen if we both visited each other, austin? Well I recruit. Permanently. I don't think you can unrecruit (see stuff about QTs). Therefore, you're either lying about something OR you're involved in something else As far as I know, if you're town I would recruit you, you'd lose your powers but gain better ones, you'd become cooler, you'd get to hang out in a cool QT, be nice and warm, etc. etc. Notice how all those are positive. If you're mafia, I would burn all yo powers off, because my powers are awesome and I've decided they're better than whatever scum powers you would have. Which is to say I don't think I become a vanilla me. Well, the wording is about this: "You can remove an attached Djinn and restore it to your control." Does that help? Wait, if the djinni is returned to be under your control, doesn't that mean you controlled it orginally?
It's either bad wording, or yes :s
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On May 26 2014 03:35 BlueyD wrote:
Or the djinn returns to your control, you can give its power to someone, but the affected player himself remains on team fire (or other teams) due to how weird the QT situation would otherwise be.
That'd make sense if it said 'transfers' to your control, not really with returns.
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On May 26 2014 03:40 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:37 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm totally down to lynch thrawn over austin, fyi. Having austin around seems like it would be kinda useful if we forced him to move in the direction we wanted him to go.
Or we can just lynch austin. That's fine too, I guess. Not only do we keep him as an errand boy but we force the other factions to focus him. Why the fuck should town do the job of the djinnis. We are just nearing our end game that much faster.
Shhh, no one cares what we think. Look at the votes.
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On May 26 2014 04:06 BlueyD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote:
Hey guys apparently I have two votes now. When did you get that? Just now? Last night?
Read the votecount on the last page.
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On May 26 2014 04:05 layabout wrote:
another hour?
i wanted fire and shit
i soo could of got recruited and got fire powers tonight, this sucks
Erm, no?
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Like, austin lynched -> you dont get recruited -> you don't get fire
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On May 26 2014 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
So then...
Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone last night - no KP / protected / roleblocked?)
Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi last night)
Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ last night) seems accurate to me. from a balance perspective that the other factions do something different than pure recruitment, like temporary power control or temporary vote control or something. This is because, assuming that all recruits go off properly, town drop sfrom 24 players to 16 vs 12 after N1. perfect night actions basically make D1 into LYLO, or this game is balanced on scum mostly targeting each other or something. It would be pretty weird for scum to have this kind of power without inhibitions. I think we can assume this: scum factions aren't dead until we see them stop NKing, and even then maybe not cause they might be out of bullets or something. Scum might have 2 players per faction, might be able to recruit, etc, but most likely just do not have a strong, solid permanent recruitment power for game balance reasons. Or at least, not all 4 factions.
It's not lylo though is it? That's if it were 16 vs 12 not 16 vs 3 v 3 v 3 v 3
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On May 26 2014 05:22 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 26 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
So then...
Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone last night - no KP / protected / roleblocked?)
Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi last night)
Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ last night) seems accurate to me. from a balance perspective that the other factions do something different than pure recruitment, like temporary power control or temporary vote control or something. This is because, assuming that all recruits go off properly, town drop sfrom 24 players to 16 vs 12 after N1. perfect night actions basically make D1 into LYLO, or this game is balanced on scum mostly targeting each other or something. It would be pretty weird for scum to have this kind of power without inhibitions. I think we can assume this: scum factions aren't dead until we see them stop NKing, and even then maybe not cause they might be out of bullets or something. Scum might have 2 players per faction, might be able to recruit, etc, but most likely just do not have a strong, solid permanent recruitment power for game balance reasons. Or at least, not all 4 factions. It's not lylo though is it? That's if it were 16 vs 12 not 16 vs 3 v 3 v 3 v 3
I mean, even if it gets down to between 1-3 town, aslong as there is at least 2 factions alive, town can win.
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On May 26 2014 05:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:22 jampidampi wrote:
So my urge to lynch mtam is still strong, but if a vig would like to make my life easier they could just shoot him. Or they could just shoot thrawn, but that wouldn't make me as happy, though still kinda postively minded.
*Stares into geript* Why do you have to agree with me when im scum reading you >.>
what kush said, although i dislike him and when he used:
scum are scumhunting too.
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On May 26 2014 05:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:26 Valenius wrote:On May 26 2014 05:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 05:22 jampidampi wrote:
So my urge to lynch mtam is still strong, but if a vig would like to make my life easier they could just shoot him. Or they could just shoot thrawn, but that wouldn't make me as happy, though still kinda postively minded.
*Stares into geript* Why do you have to agree with me when im scum reading you >.> what kush said, although i dislike him and when he used: scum are scumhunting too. So you believe jampi to be scum then?
was purely responding to your post, jambi hasn't been someone ive really checked yet.
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He could recruit someone, and when he attempted a recruitment (either successful or unsuccesful) it caused a random kill.
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Seriously? It disappears after 50 pages..?
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On May 26 2014 09:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
tbh, I'm getting suspicious of bunnies.
why
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I still want opinions on my early post on OnceKing, and his follow ups.
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On May 25 2014 20:42 mtamburini wrote:
So I have not caught up yet fully on everything that has happened so I will cast my vote now based on Hapa's current vote as I really like the way he built a case on rikoty, looking through his filter for the reason he casted his vote today bring up a good point on yellow, Im a reluctant to cast my vote on him because of our newbie game he was acting scummy and ended up being town but I trust in hapa right now.
##Vote: Yellow
I am headed to work now and if I can get some more reading and that will change my vote one way or the other it will happen but Im pretty much going all in with hapa ATM
On May 26 2014 07:46 mtamburini wrote:
Where did the READ ALL button go! I hate skipping through pages
Like, does nobody else find this scummy as fuck? The 'all' button disappears after 50 pages.. we're now at 225 pages.
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On May 26 2014 09:53 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:47 Valenius wrote:On May 25 2014 20:42 mtamburini wrote:
So I have not caught up yet fully on everything that has happened so I will cast my vote now based on Hapa's current vote as I really like the way he built a case on rikoty, looking through his filter for the reason he casted his vote today bring up a good point on yellow, Im a reluctant to cast my vote on him because of our newbie game he was acting scummy and ended up being town but I trust in hapa right now.
##Vote: Yellow
I am headed to work now and if I can get some more reading and that will change my vote one way or the other it will happen but Im pretty much going all in with hapa ATM On May 26 2014 07:46 mtamburini wrote:
Where did the READ ALL button go! I hate skipping through pages Like, does nobody else find this scummy as fuck? The 'all' button disappears after 50 pages.. we're now at 225 pages. Haha this is what my rant was about. You can't take the button disappearance as scummy as fuck man. You could just be misunderstanding him, as in he wishes the button was there,.
It's not that he's wishing it was there, it's the wording of it. If it was 'Man, reading through all these pages would be easier if the all button was here' i wouldn't have thought twice about it.
It's how it's worded as if he's only just noticed it's gone, after supposedly being almost caught up. It just completely reads as a lazy excuse for not reading the thread.
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HF's said he's randoming his cop check., which i dont think is the worst idea.
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On May 26 2014 10:44 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 13:46 Steveling wrote:
Can I join the club of guys that won't get lynched? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry Steve, it's a pretty exclusive club. We kicked some people out of it not too long ago I think. I have more vital information to reveal to the thread. While austin's foolish spade taunting eventually led to his downfall, I have recently discovered two more individuals that seek to insult me in the cruelest way imaginable. We must bring these two to justice as swiftly as possible.
I feel like you've found a diamond there kita.
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Righto, bed for me. G'night people.
Also: On May 26 2014 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Great! You complained.
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So, anyone claiming shots etc?
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Was your case where you were speculating about magic?
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On May 27 2014 04:53 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Either you're the stupidest person I know, or you're lying.
I think it's a reasonably safe bet to go for the latter there.
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Would you say you believe in.. RNG..esus?
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1. WaveofShadow replaced by Erandorr Night 1
2. Yell0w
3. Koshi
4. kushm4sta
5, Blazinghand
6. geript
7. Cephiro
8. Holyflare
9. jampidampi
10. MysterMeat1
11. Alakaslam
12. sqrtofneg1
13. Valenius
14. thrawn2112
15. Cavalinho
16. 27ninjabunnies
17. OdinOfPergo
18. kitaman27
19. Steveling
20. Xatalos
21. Tehpoofter
22. BlueyD
23. mtamburini
24. ritoky
25. austinmcc
26. Onegu replaced by OnceKing Day 1
27. marvellosity
28. Hapahauli
29. bkqyrldp
30. mattisfoolish
31. layabout
32. Meapak_Ziphh
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Xat, if only austin could convert, then there'd be no fire convert n2.
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He had pokemon that he attached to people, which was how he recruited them. Do you really think he'd have a role giveout that adds another recruiter? That'd effectively give him 3kp a night, and then that recruiter would have another recruiter role giveaway etc etc etc
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oh, and if they had recruited with the same mechanics, there'd be a fiery dead person.
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On May 26 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote:
Since trying to hide faction doesn't work, I'm mars. Fire. I THINK that all 4 factions are elemental djinn things, but don't know for sure. Mah nemesis IS another element.
Each night I can attach a fire djinn to someone. That djinn burns away the role that the person has and adds a new one (I have a set number of djinn, in my head they're pokemon, and each has a certain ability. I give the person that djinn, their old role is gone, they now have the role of the attached djinn).
If I target a townie, the townie is recruited and joins me. Their old role gone, new role in place. Not a control thing, and not temporary.
If I target a scummer, I burn away any role they had, lose my pokemans, and DO NOT recruit. Yes, it would be way unbalanced if I could recruit mafia, change their wincon.
However, fire is a bit unstable, and so IF I choose to add someone, I also burn a random person for 1 KP. So i HAVE KP, and I could pledge, for the most part, not to use it (i have to recruit more to have a shot at winning, but could hold off for a while or something), but I cannot target anyone in particular. Anyway, I can target a recruit, and if I use it the random KP hits, but I cannot target the KP.
Anyway, it looks like all the kill is flavored. My shot hit the smurf last night. Some of my posts from earlier this cycle are smurf-guy-focused, I know that peruvian had a sandro read on it and whatnot, but I'm the one who killed it. Anyway, you should be able to see that I talk more about the smurf kill than the others, it was mine, but no, I'm not actually suspicious of other folks for that kill, the peruvian is suspicious for his own crap.
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On May 27 2014 05:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am really really sorry, but I also thought it would be unfair to modkill two players who did nothing wrong, when the screw-up was mine.
Well, there it goes I guess.
Besides my brainfart, how was the game to you guys in general?
Don't beat yourself up.
It was fun to be figuring out, although 32 players is a littttttle confusing! 
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