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NO to rng lynch. Bad idea. End of story for me. That one post by bkqyrldp caught my eye because it felt like his reads were way too strong at the time. Felt more like "Hey guys I have reads!" than someone actually having reads. Plus what he said was weak. Closest thing to a scumread I have right now. I’ve seen some people say they dislike thrawn. Only game I played with him, he was exactly like this early D1 as town. He picked up his play 2nd half of D1. I wouldn’t worry about him quite yet. | ||
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On May 21 2014 09:21 layabout wrote: There better be a load of smurfs cus i only know half of these names, if you dont know me please don't be a bitch about post count i am called layabout for a reason on second thought i better read the thread first Excuses about post count before anyone says anything about him, and a crossed vote on blazinghand (probably the most visible player so far) while pretending he hadn't read the thread. So how did you pick Blazing there if you hadn't read the thread, layabout? RNG just falling on the most visible guy? --- And his most recent post just now has some contradictory ideas about RNG. Open to it in theory, but then lists stuff he hates about it. Mehhh. | ||
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Don't like how he follows it up with RNG-lynch talk, though. The whole thing is just a good place for scum to hide and not have to make any reads. --- On layabout: I'd like someone who knows him to confirm he always picks BH for an early vote... | ||
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Don't like the case on bunnies, I feel like Ceph is stretching it. Ill filter-dive mtam and yellow, thoughts incoming. Will keep an eye on end of thread too. | ||
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--- Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote: I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise. Don’t see a better option at the moment, so... ## Vote Yellow | ||
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he had the same kind of awful play early D1 last game I played with him. picked it up later and ended up being town MVP. redirect your attention somewhere else for now, if he fails to show up later in the game then he'll be suspicious. | ||
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First, why do you think Steve is town if you say his play has been anti-town? You don’t see why I think a random lynch is scummy? Well, I don’t want to be sucked into a RNG discussion, but here’s one of the many reasons: On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote: So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them? You should be familiar with this particular argument because YOU WROTE IT. You’ve correctly identified a RNG lynch as a good place for scum to put a vote without having to throw their analysis out there. And then, that’s where you throw your vote. How am I supposed to read this, if not as a contradiction? --- Oh, fun, I just saw your newest post. You are literally townreading someone who is pushing for your lynch (poofter), and who has his vote on you. I don't even know anymore. Sooo why is Poofter town for you? | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote: Is tamburini a guy or a girl or both or neither? I don't know, I'll show you a pic of tamburini and you decide. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.musicwithease.com/tambourine.gif) | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:29 Koshi wrote: Mr BlueYs. Townreading somebody who wants to kill you is very possible. Because it is possible town thinks town is scum. I know it's possible. But it's always good to know why that's the read. | ||
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Anything in particular I should pay attention to? | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Hmmm there’s a decent amount of people townreading yellow and I don’t get it, at all. I think the 3 I was analyzing below were for town-yellow, huh. HF you’re one of those who townread him, why? Is he often lynched early when he’s town? Basically is he lynchbait? Cuz he still doesn’t look good to me. Now for the people bunnies asked about: Ritoky: I just don’t see a case for a lynch on him right now. There are better targets. The case by austin was bad, and his reads feel honest. Austin: One bad case, but he retracted it really quickly once some stuff was cleared up, so not much there. Mehhhh. I pretty much don’t have a good read on this guy. Vale: There’s really only one post to analyse here, and half of it is fluff. His townreads are yellow and bkq (and bh? I dunno, the wording made it sound really weak) which is just weird to me. His only scum read is “Light shades of pink” on cav. Come on... Going to just count this as a pretend-to-help-town post since there's nothing in it I really like. On the scummy side. | ||
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On May 22 2014 09:52 Holyflare wrote: shoot him or stfu because nobody wants to lynch steve today Soooo why is your vote on steve? | ||
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That's insane. Like that's 20% the length of the one game I played recently. | ||
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Honest mistake or mischaracterisation? | ||
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Steve I'd lynch you over both of these. | ||
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##vote mtamburini Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now. | ||
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We actually lynched the RNG target. What the hell. You're all bad. Only had time to check the lynch, Will be back later. | ||
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--- Okay my first read of the night is on Steve. As annoying as he’s been and as anti-town as his spamming has looked D1, it seems likely to me now that Steveling is town. First, he’s stepping up in a major way. Second, who the hell softclaims vet (or whatever survival role he has) when a claimed townvig is tunneling him? Like, geript wanted to shoot him already, now he can do so with zero risk of killing a townie: either he confirms the survival role or he hits scum. Steveling is asking to get shot with his claim, I can’t see him doing that as scum because that’d be mind-blowingly stupid. --- Cavalinho’s play is scummy, and here’s why: His words speak against a lynch on Odin (and generally for a lynch on burini), yet his vote is on Odin the whole time. THE WHOLE TIME. On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote: I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it. I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote. Votecount at that moment: burini = 8, Val = 6, Odin = 4. Hey, burini is getting lynched, not Val! On May 23 2014 04:31 Cavalinho wrote: I'm getting the feeling that Odin is actually just afk and that we probably shouldn't be voting him. This is what he says as he puts his vote on Odin. He's already backtracking. On May 23 2014 04:43 Cavalinho wrote: I only wanted to switch onto Odin if I could confirm that Odin would die over Val, because I don't think Val is scum. You can't just take one sentence out of context and say, "yes, this person is scum because of 'sentence.'" (...) Though I admit, your view on how Odin is an easy voteswitch is kind of what I was thinking. I don't really like this lynch because it's just such an easy lynch, but BH still made a good case I think. Votes are counted 2 mins later, burini = 5, Val = 3, Odin = 13. Val is NOWHERE near getting lynched when he writes that. Unless I miscounted, Val has NEVER been over burini in votes. The best it got is within 1 vote of each other. Says he doesn’t like the lynch but he’s on it himself. On May 23 2014 04:53 Cavalinho wrote: Is there any way we can get this wagon to flip again 5 minutes before deadline though? Oh, now he seems to show willingness to last-minute flip... but his vote doesn’t move. burini and Odin are the only ones with 5+ votes so obviously there’s no real risk of lynching anyone else there and the "no lynching Val" excuse is entirely void, but the vote still stays on Odin. On May 23 2014 05:09 Cavalinho wrote: We could have fixed this. We could have fixed this. Maybe, but he certainly didn't try. | ||
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Slam why do you say Yellow is incredibly trusting? Cuz he puts his trust in BH's RNG lynch before a case is even made, even though he has some scumreads? Isn't that your case as well? | ||
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If you believe the Isaac claim then Isaac is earth-aligned, no electrocution claim. If you don't you have no real reason to think BH has powerz beyond the power to pick a guy at random and get him lynched. --- Still wondering where that KP on mtamburini went. Either HF didn't shoot, someone not-town had the power to save mtam and did it (if you're town and you did it you're bad), or mtam is vet. I think option 2 is the most plausible. mtam you vet? --- Gonna read the austin vs hapa stuff again and comment, it looked decent at first glance. | ||
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Steve wtf what was just stupid. | ||
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--- Also Hapa I like your cases much more than austin's case on you. Agree with lynching burini or yellow. What do you think of cav? Ashamed of myself I didn't catch the fact that yellow had scumreads and wasn't voting for them, blegh. Though you don't seem to have caught that until way after he made that post with reads in it, like you still had your vote on Val for a while after that. Any explanation on that delay? | ||
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I had no possibility to fucking follow-up on yellow. Look at the time between that post and the lynch. I post nothing. Know why? Because I couldn't be there for RL reasons. And I can hardly follow-up on stuff when I wasn't be there. My mistake here is not letting you know ahead of time, which I fucking will next time. Yes, it's a big deal to me when Yellow says BH's rng method is good for scum who want to hide and then proceeds to jump on that method. That's pretty scummy and I'd still lynch his ass for that and for not switching to his reads when he got reads. I don't know how realistic you think a last-minute voteswitch is, but look at the only forum mafia game I've played in the last 2 years, Yuma. We tried it, we pulled it off, and we lynched scum. Last 10 minutes 3 out of 9 players switched to kush and we got him good. So yes I'm wondering why it wasn't even attempted here. We did 3 out of 9 last game, Might be a bit harder in this setup I don't know, but it wasn't even tried. Ok gotta see kush's filter now. | ||
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I totally forgot errandorr was even in the game, precisely because he apparently posted twice and then left. Too many people to try to keep track of. | ||
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I'm just gonna drop any thought-filter I had for the rest of the time I have left, dunno how long that is, and go with honest thoughts here. I have nothing to lose really, I don't see myself surviving very long anyway. Also screw consistency with my previous reads in what I’m gonna say here. I’m sure there’s a lot of crap in there especially since I know very few of you, meta is a useful tool but I have no real access to it. --- Kush is just scum, I might not be pushing my reads well but he doesn’t even have reads. Laziness only goes so far. It’s not “just a meta case”, he’s just done nothing. Kill it with fire soon. Same for thrawn, either he actually does stuff really soon or town better kill him. BH and Slam are in all likelihood town. This looks to me like a setup with 4 rival factions (one for each element) getting their NKs from controlling townies and making them kill stuff, with a group of town heroes immune to the control effects under most conditions. This is all speculation but that’s what I think. Either way BH and Slam have confirmed each other openly. It’s possible I’m entirely wrong, if ever one dies you’ll know the other’s alignment for sure though. Fool is town, building them cases. Kita I don’t know. Like, his case on me reads well, which is what made me realize I’ve been playing like crap... Namely I should’ve said in advance I’d miss about 19 hours of play, and I should either have made strong cases or been openly lazy, I shouldn’t have put a filter on the analysis but not on the emotions... Right now the end result is I just end up looking like someone who wants to look like he’s doing stuff when he’s not. Meh. But at the same time, well, I know the conclusion’s wrong. I think most of it is explainable by him not knowing me at all, me playing like crap, and things not looking good in the filter out of context. But overall he’d be on the townier side. Tamburini is possibly just lynchbait, his play makes no sense at all, and these crazy people who just fail to understand what is going on are usually lynchbait. I don't know if anyone can fake being this crazy while being a good player, people who've played with him would've called that immediately. I hate trying to read players like these because nothing they do is alignment-indicative and I’d hate to be in lylo with him but basically there’s a decent chance he’s town-aligned. Yellow I wouldn’t lynch right now, and rereading his case makes me realize it was not that strong in the first place even though I made it. He still looks a bit scummy to me for having pointed out how easy it could be for scum to hide in BH’s RNG-lynch and then going for it anyway, and then keeping his vote on Odin after having legit scumreads... But some stuff like defending me against an unjustified early kita attack even though I was on his case makes me like him more. It’s like, he’s nullish because stuff he’s done just goes both ways. He started scum, he's looking more and more town, I figure if he keeps talking there are good chances he'll be a townread soon. Sqrtofneg1 gives me stupidly strong scumvibes for no reason I can discern. It’s just a feeling. I open his filter and read a few posts and go “screw that”. That’s not a sign I foresee getting any useful info there. When I did manage to dive in I found a lot of unjustified town reads and not a lot of scum reads, and he turned his read on Ceph from town to scum with no reason. Lots of spam. Leaning scum. Lynch or shoot soon. Cav has had scummy moments: screwed up his meta read on me then told me to shut up and take my townie read when I questioned him on it instead of answering, then later on he’s at the point where he’d lynch me without having explained why. Plus that case I made on him which no one paid attention to. I’d put him on the scumteam. Holyflare is the 4th player I’ve played with, he's apparently known for playing the same way as town and as scum so I'm not even gonna try to read him. Steve is likely town as I’ve said, no non-suicidal scum would claim a survival role at the moment he did. Apparently he has 4 pots of invulnerability, or whatever you want to call them. That doesn’t mean listen to him, that just means ignore his ass for another 3 cycles or so if you don’t like him, he might even die by himself once his pots run out. Geript has been waving a gun in front of everyone but I’m gonna go ahead and bet it’s made of plastic. I can’t see a guy with that temper not shooting early especially when there were ok targets, and it’s kind of risky to claim vig D1. He’s doing exactly the opposite of what I’d do with a gun, aka keep it under the pillow and suprise-shoot when necessary. Does that make him scum? Well it at least makes it more likely. Meta reads apply here, as I don’t know the guy. I think it was kita who mentioned I should’ve analyzed ceph. Truth is when I wrote that post, the Ceph-bunny part is what I wrote last, it was tacked on to the rest of the post which I took a lot of time thinking up. I got lazy there, plus I had no idea whether the bad case made Ceph scummy or not, so I just went with my first thought, which was that at any rate the case wasn’t good. In hindsight I don’t like that he came in, tunneled one person, left, and didn’t show up for so long afterwards. Doesn’t feel like he carefully picked his time and target to strike, just feels like he wanted to build a case on whoever he saw, and stuck at the first person he interacted with. Scum. Xata is really really town too. I don’t care to give details on that one. But some stuff he’s said makes it pretty obvious. The rest of the players made no strong impression on me. Had a few reads I had little confidence in in a notepad file but they’re not up to date. Had a list of to-watch people which included Val, ritoki, Austin, jampi and layabout, plus some guys I talk about up there (thrawn, val, yellow, ceph, tambo). Had onceking, Hapa and ninjabunnies on the townier side for I-don’t-know-why. I even had marv 3rd party early in the game like a bunch of people now do due to him telling someone not to worry too much about factions and just hunt scum. That was another just-a-feeling that I’d have felt silly putting out there, but might actually have been useful in hindsight. Who knows. --- All right, this is already more than long enough. At worst you lynch me and I'm free from this time-consuming hulk of a game. If you lynch me you'll be one bad townie down which isn't so bad, but at least you'll have a bunch of thoughts you'll know comes from a townie. By the way I'm VT so you don't lose any powers by lynching or otherwise shooting me. I'm just gonna spend the afternoon outside. I'll take a look again tonight. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 25 2014 07:47 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay guys. Back again. I'm not so sure about today's lynch so far. It seems like we have 3 or 4 main guys to lynch: Kush Tambo BlueyD and Meat. I have a few questions for each of you. @Kush: What have you done to help town this game? Who is your top town read? Scum read? @Tambo: What is your view on Kush and BlueyD so far? What is the most significant post of D2 so far? @BlueyD: You've made cases on Yellow and Cav so far. Who else do you see as potential scum? @Meat: Why aren't you active? Do you have anything to contribute? There is no way this guy is reading the thread and asking me what my reads are after that giant post I made today. His post manages to say nothing at all about why he scumreads these people in particular. Let me say it like this, sqrt: Among some others, I scumread you. --- On May 25 2014 07:03 thrawn2112 wrote: you shouldnt lynch me. it's in your best interests to keep me alive Oh come on. I gave you a free pass for a lazy day 1 and was willing to extend that to day 2 as well but this is just not acceptable. I’ve seen you do some good stuff in Yuma as town, I’ve seen you find scum, I’ve seen you pull a big play. The last thing I expected from you was starting the game with a defensive soft blue claim before even bothering to try analysis. I don’t buy it one second. Patience officially lost. ##vote thrawn | ||
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And now she doesn't want to lynch austin after a non-town check on him and a recruiter claim. HMMMMM... | ||
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What if they're all 3P? Could that even happen? | ||
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I'm willing to let you stay in the game if you're willing to accept that town has some degree of control over who you target. Like, I know you need to keep your targets somewhat secret, but what if we got to give you a list of 3 or 4 people, you target one of your choice in that list, and at day's resolution you tell us "my target was recruited" or "I targeted X player and he's not in my QT, you guys know what to do"? I think I'd go for that. Would you go for some kind of arrangement like that? | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote: Hey guys apparently I have two votes now. When did you get that? Just now? Last night? | ||
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For one minute there I thought someone had given you the power to vote twice. Nnnnnope. | ||
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On May 26 2014 12:51 Steveling wrote: Can we drop the act with geript's imaginary gun already, lol. Oh hey, my broken steveclock is showing the right time at this precise moment. I'll believe geript has a gun when he shoots and calls the shot during the resolution phase. Preferably tonight. Preferably thrawn. On bunnies and rito: Rito claim is most likely real because this isn’t the kind of claim people fabricate. Rito probably sees if people get visited, I don’t see him being cop because we have a confirmed cop and his flavor is different. Rito has no reason to share that info with town unless he’s town himself, else he’d go for the qt. Bunnies had the right analysis on it too, so townie points and a carrot for her. Erandorr feels off for that complaining-without-helping thing that’s been mentioned, plus he actually calls that a “huge rant” is coming at the end of the previous post. Like I understand why someone would call “analysis is coming” because they need more time, need to phrase their points well, etc, but a rant? You don’t call that a rant is coming, you just start ranting, unless it’s artificial. Scummeh. Still around for a while, don't expect much activity tomorrow until nighttime though. | ||
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Apparently the recruiter just gets replaced when he dies? That seems a bit overpowered. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:56 Tehpoofter wrote: I think one of the balance issues was the KP could be recruited into. In Mercury for example by N3 we would be rocking 3 KP with 3 members. Would've been lulzy if everyone had done that, hold the KP and N3 BOOM 12 people die. | ||
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That's why the game ended. | ||
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