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On May 23 2014 07:57 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 06:19 austinmcc wrote:
geript i know i said i'd read steveling and i will. didn't get to it this morning.
mtam,
how does that stuff affect vote analysis for you? You sort of say that the non-normal nature of the game MIGHT change things, say what a normal mafia team might do, but...it feels like there should then be some kind of conclusion. Is there a particular way you think voting would change in any of those possible settings? The conclusions I hope to draw from vote analysis mixed with some night actions could hopefully draw a couple lines making the factions more easier to see. A lot of what happened yesterday and next 2 days will be important when trying to draw lines. There were a couple of POI yesterday me being one of them which vote analysis is going to help. BH made a very good post that I was somewhat thinking about, I have not been posting a lot and not making very clear and procise thoughts about stuff thats going on etc etc Id like to hear from the people who pulled off me to lynch someone else. Me knowing I am town people pulling off me must of had a good reason too think I was town towards end of game and for the people that didnt vote for me must of had a good reason why odin was more scummier than me. I AM A KIND AND HAPPY POSTER. I LIKED READING YOUR HAPPY POST IN YOUR NEWBIES. I ALSO KIND OF THINK HF IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT MAYBE PEW PEWING YOU.
I would, in a kind and happy way, suggest that if you're going to analyze something or draw conclusions or talk about people of interest or whatever, you do so in a timely manner. Such that people can chat about it, or read it and perhaps shoot you harder/not shoot you, and so that you can be seen as Doing Things.
I asked because you were like "oh yeah, we need to take this into account when doing vote analysis" and then didn't say how you think it should be taken into account. My question above was for clarification on that point, and your response is "It should be taken into account, it will help in drawing lines." Which is again, not specific.
So. I propose we be KIND AND HAPPY posters, but that you should probably do some of the stuff or explain specifically what you even might do. I would also make the KIND AND HAPPY suggestion that, since you had a crapton to catch up on before the lynch and most likely didn't, it would perhaps be advantageous to catch up. I know that's a lot of reading, so it might also be FUN to just read every 5th page or something but then say something about what you read.
If you are town, we will make this a HAPPY and FUN game, and also you should try and do things that will make HF not want to shoot you, again, assuming gun.
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On May 23 2014 08:24 geript wrote:
BH. If you want to live through the night then you will provide analysis on the players that blindly sheeped your RNG, the players that soft pushed your RNG and the players which wholly ignored your RNG. I feel that you have lost your way as a disciple of ABBA, assuming this is a threat of a shot.
If BH is super duper megascum, then he won't give you useful stuff or won't do anything, and you already think he's super duper megascum so you will shoot him or steve anyway.
If BH is not super duper megascum, then he's not super duper megascum based on what he's already done, and NOT doing all the vote stuff himself shouldn't make him scummier than someone else who was scummier previously. So he should never be your shot.
It seems like IF you are threatening the shot, BH either is or isn't the shot, and if he IS, then what he says shouldn't matter to you really.
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I'm minorly down with the claim, but also the late in D1 way he was pushing his lynch (trying to meta OOP, actually responding to me honestly, being very energetic and whatnot), read more like town than mafia to me.
He didn't full-bore dick around, because he could have dicked around with me and instead he gave me an honest answer. There were 18,000 other lynches available with any pushing from him (assuming like 1-2 people don't join OOP if he starts spamming something else), and yet he continued on just doing his thing. It's not the helpful and ubertown BH I've only seen once but always remember and always judge him against (rock band i think). But he's not being absolutely useless, and he had the...townie amount of rabid devotion to his cause?
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I am waiting on a thing xat but i have some stuff prepped that I was waiting for deadline.
However the MOST IMPORTANT thing I was gonna post is that I think we should stop referring to one of the players as "marv", and instead refer to him as "that elderly heterosexual peruvian man." This will perhaps make the game somewhat strange/interesting, and if he is town he will be driven to play, rather than do jack all. However, if this strategem does NOT make that elderly heterosexual peruvian man post and whatnot, it will still be slightly more than mildly amusing.
Hapa, anywhere near done with the next bit of analysis?
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Whatever that's dumb I won't wait. Here was the main thing I wrote up. I really don't like Hapa's D1. Specifically, I really don't like the way that Hapa's reads/vote went down, concerning Valenius.
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Two things: @ HolyflareWhy are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius Early scum read on valenius. Fine fine.On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini
swaps to mtam early early, but not because valenius is no longer scummy. As best we know, valenius is still a scum read, he "can wait", not "i'm not scummy on him anymore."On May 21 2014 12:34 Hapahauli wrote:
##Foolishness Read: 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, mtamburini, Valenius indicates concern over valeniusOn May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Ritoky/Valenius
I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet."
All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes.
valenius is NOT PLAYING TO HIS TOWN META. Howeever, this "could be explained by the difference in gametypes." He's been scummy on valenius all day, for his play this game. Now valenius SHOULD be scummy for THIS GAME AND he doesn't match his town meta. Great. Hapa should be concluding dude is super scummy. What's hapa's conclusion? "it could be explained by the difference in gametypes". Note that he's NOT just saying this about ritoky, he's now expanding that comment to a guy he's been scummy on all day and has presented nothing townie about.
Hapa unvotes mtam late-ish into the day, as things are starting to coalesce around mtam / valenius, and right before the OOP thing picks up (i think).
On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. When OnceKing brings up lynching valenius maybe, hapa drops this. I personally would THINK there would be some oomph from hapa, some agreement, because again...valenius has been scummy all day for his play this game AND his meta doesn't match, although that MIGHT be explainable.
On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +Yell0w.+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. Boom. Now that onceking drops some posts on him, hapa picks this back up. In my head, hapa should have been on this the whole time.
On May 23 2014 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:04 Xatalos wrote:
I think Valenius is a bit too obviously anti-town. He even claims that he's "going to shitpost" and then proceeds to do so. And he constantly complains and doesn't seem interested in scumhunting at all.
Now that I think about it, maybe he's just a bad scum player. Yeah it's the seeming lack of interest and reluctance to contribute that does it for me. It's possible he's just some newbie with an extreme lack of self-confidence, but it's the apathy for analysis that makes it more likely for him to be scum IMO. Yeah xat, you're right. Valenius is scummy. It could be that he's new and it's the transition thing still.
On May 23 2014 02:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Alright I'll be driving for the rest of today. I might be able to make a vote post on the road somewhere, but other than that, I'm pretty much done with posting/analysis until after the lynch deadline.
I think Valenius is our best option for today. Tambo's recent activity makes me far more hesitant about him. I can't say for sure if he's town, but he's atleast null, and there are better targets out there for today. Valenius is the best option for today.
OKAY NOW IT IS TIME FOR VOTING/LATE STUFF
On May 23 2014 02:57 Valenius wrote:
How long till deadline, vote count isnt showing it for me in mobile browser? On a train for next 20 mins with shit reception :tunnels:
OK, youre better than this. Go back to being the long thought out case guy instead of 'hes shit so hes scum'
I made that point in one of my first posts, I suck at day1.
Valenius to thread at this time.
On May 23 2014 03:02 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll consider switching to Odin depending on what Valenius comes up with in the next few hours. Can't do much on my phone, but I can and will be reading. 5 minutes later, Hapa is on val and MIGHT switch to OOP after saying nothing about OOP all day AND calling valenius scummy or maybe scummy all day (never townie). This is dependant on what, class? On what val comes up with in the next few hours.
On May 23 2014 03:39 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: OdinofPergo
At this time, 37 minutes later, Hapa votes OOP. Good. So what did Val come up with?
On May 23 2014 03:31 Valenius wrote:I've said that the previous newbie games have stressed me out. I tried as hard as I could to look townie, including tunneling people just because I had one vote on me in day1. The game wasn't fun for me like that, so i'm not putting that level of effort in. I've had terrible reads on both day 1's ive played, and I don't have any better ones this game. Gonna go read BH's case now. This was val's only post in the meantime. Essentially, "I didn't have fun trying to look townie, so I'm not putting in much effort this time around."
That is ALL that Val posted between Hapa "wanting to see what he came up with" and changing his vote. Valenius has been a scumread of Hapa's all day (or a not-town person, which is...more or less the same). His play is unlike his newbie, where he was town. And Hapa was waiting to see what he posted, which was just the above. Hapa's conclusion is to change his vote to OOP, never commenting on anything about OOP really.
Okay great, so here are the bullet points if all that is too long:- hapa is scummy on valenius early, mid, late of D1.
- Scummy play this game, and play that does not match a town past game
- Hapa thinks this COULD be explained by newbie game --> large game jump
THEN
- Hapa thinks Val is the lynch with a little while left to go
- Says he'll swap to OOP depending on what Val posts
- Val basically posts "it wasn't that fun to try real hard, so I'm not trying as hard this game"
- Hapa switches votes
No bueno.
THEN THEN THEN
After the lynch, here's Hapa on Valenius...
From the lynch until now Hapahauli wrote:
austinmcc had to fill this space with words because hapa didn't write nothing about valenius
He wants to look at buildup to the lynch. Yellow is maybe odd, Slam is maybe odd, Cav looks interesting, Tambo looks interesting. He saw that people were suspicious of his actions during the lynch. He talks with Geript about BH's push on Odin (momentarily, not really "talks"). He saw marv/kita/BH on the OOP lynch. He's interested in slam's OOP vote.
Notice ALL of things have something in common. They say nothing nothing nothing about Valenius. Valenius, btw, jumped on the OOP wagon late. What did he have to say about BH's case and his OOP vote?On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote:
Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first. On May 23 2014 04:21 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote:
Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour. More so than Odin? My comment there was more referring to my own original™ reads. BH's case on Odin is still where my vote is. If you can't fill in the blanks, Valenius has a late vote on OOP without mentioning him beforehand, without saying ANYTHING other than he just likes BH's case. But despite hapa thinking Valenius was scum or possible scum ALL DAY, hapa unvotes Valenius for an unknown reason to vote OOP, and then after the lynch seems to ignore Valenius ENTIRELY, despite the fact that his earlier scumread is fitting this pattern that he's looking at for scum (but he only notices non-valenius people like slam and whatnot)
EXTRA TL;DR
Hapa finds valenius scummy
Never finds him town
Might be able to explain scumminess because of newbie --> large game jump
Never finds him town
Swaps off mtam late back to valenius because of a OnceKing post or two
Says he might swap to OOP depending on what Valenius posts
Valenius posts essentially nothing but saying he'll look at BH case
Hapa swaps vote to OOP without Valenius posting more
After lynch, Hapa is looking at the votes and whatnot for analysis
He does not pick out valenius as an early questionable person
Valenius super duper sheeped the BH case late late late in the day
Hapa does not appear to notice this, despite looking at slam for no real reason to vote OOP
This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing.
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As far as non-hapa stuff
I'm worried about that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Scummarv is sometimes particularly lazy. The only time I've seen someone really drop a multi-post big, fat, well-reasoned case on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man (don't remember game, was a mini, i think keirathi and hapa were in it and were the ones making the case?), it was about how that elderly heterosexual peruvian man gets really lazy after he plays scum a couple times in a row recently. Also, in general, scum that elderly heterosexual peruvian man is less posty and less helpful than town. Here, we have that elderly heterosexual peruvian man being decently not posty, just kind of piddling around in thread sometimes. He's being lazy and it's not good. Not DEFINITIVE mafia, but it's a negative overall. He's also not fully committing to either joining in when people are being dicks and spamming and whatnot (which i think SOMETIMES marv can do, see comments about offering blowjobs and whatnot). Nor is he committing to STOPPING people from messing up the thread. Nor is he committed to ... much at all. He is NOT 100% connected to Hapa, I find it weird that he won't talk about hapa to me, but ... oh well. Anyway, suspicious of that elderly heterosexual peruvian man.
mtam still suspicious. The behavior doesn't fit mafia OR town to me, like...who returns from being nearly lynched and basically thumbs his nose at the thread, then leaves again. Nobody. Overall though, his reaction to the lynch was no bueno. He's ANGRY that people would lynch him the moment he gets back, kinda ANGRY about having to catch up on so many pages. But he basically does NOTHING except flick off the thread for the rest of the day and then the night. Not the right response, imo, of someone trying to solve game/put pieces together. Yes, it's not a perfect fit as "this is exactly what scum would do!", but it's WRONG and the mindset behind it reads not townie. When offered a bridge, he doesn't really take it, doesn't start playing, doesn't ask me to read anyone. I think he's a candidate tomorrow but NOT the guaranteed lynch. Scum should be yelling at him, telling him to dig himself out of his hole, and instead he just digs deeper. So...don't sleep on him being town, get him playing, get him posting, read him. Easiest thing in the world for mafia to just say he's being an ass and not acting townie, but his actions don't fit SCUM 100% either, and so more needs to be said/discussed.
Don't like geript so far, but he's not a major candidate. He needs to STOP this crap though, because he can actually play.
Don't like Foolishness's long absences and his "I'm just not really gonna read the thread" bit. Really found that post of his on slam weird, but that doesn't MEAN anything, it's just weird.
WHATEVER THAT'S KIND OF A SMALL LIST AND NOT AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE
People I like:
HolyFlare. Not 100% pushing game forward, but doing a good bit of it, making lists again and updating EVERYONE on the list (which reads like trying to solve the game). He also keeps popping in with things that I was thinking, or wanting to talk to people I wanted to talk to. Good good good. Townie townie.
MZ. MZ's early game good. MZ's play this game feels unlike PYP: LoL. Overall I just like MZ's stuff this game.
Valenius. I actually believe in the toilet read.
Steveling. Needs to KNOCK IT OFF with all the spam and with interacting with Geript and BH. Please please. If you don't talk to them or interact with them, you will 100% not get killed and you can help. If you keep doing that crap, it makes thread hard to read AND makes you harder to read, so ... you shouldn't. Please please please?
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
Smurf Hydra Guy - ALso not super active, but in a similar vein as HF, was thinking some things that I thought were good thinks. Also, the comment about me being paranoid and so wondering if the Foolishness hydra is REALLY Foolishness reads town to me. He's not pushing my alignment, he's just dropping this note that he thinks might be important. Although I don't think me being paranoid means anything, him dropping that little note is nice and it felt like he was actually trying to understand my alignment.
I think I thought sqrt was town to for some strong-ish reason but I don't remember it.
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On May 24 2014 04:18 Valenius wrote:
Austin, I brought up my own reads on hapa for pretty much the first half of your post, coming to pretty much the same conclusions on him.
Side note though: I was alright for following the rng lynch earlier on, hence my "Same destination, just a different journey" after voting. I know. But I had that all typed up and was trying to wait until the resolution deadline, and also I'm good at being pushy with scumreads. I saw what you wrote, think you're town right now, but I can add a shoulder behind the hapa-is-mafia-mobile to push it.
On May 24 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Austin
I still don't find Valenius town. My vote-switch at the end is entirely explained by my travel schedule and my lack of time to post anything of substance in the last minute scramble. I posted two of my last 3 posts from traffic, and my vote post from a rest-stop.
I made the fact that I would be busier than normal this game both before the game and the lynch. I really don't know how I could make it any clearer than that. It's not just the absence or the swap in and of itself. And I fully believe that you've got travel going on.
It's more just...rather than saying "Gotta travel, dunno what happens", you said that AND "I'ma see what Valenius posts." The second makes the swap seem more like just a swap for no reason, rather than a time-crunch thing, because you WERE scummy on Valenius so it's not like you needed to get your vote off him, and he WAS a legit candidate at the time (i think, although he'd lost some votes)
Even if there was travel and the vote and whatnot, your play AFTER the lynch doesn't match. You don't find him town, and he's one of the last voters on OOP, and he votes for NO REASON really except saying he likes the BH case. This is what you call Slam out on, but you don't seem to notice that this guy you've been scummy all day on did THE SAME THING. If you were really watching Valenius as possible scum, I would expect you to notice his late swap for no real reasons, and be on his case as much/more than Slam.
On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:
And furthermore, that case by you Austin really doesn't say much about me being mafia.
Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game.
Instead, I tried to do something pro-town in what little time I had and help the consolidation onto another lynch. Am I happy with the way it turned out? Not really. I should have taken far more time to read BH"s post, instead of reading it once quickly, seeing a bunch of vote swaps, and going with the flow. Making up reads is a mafia thing. Town don't make up reads. Your Valenius stuff doesn't read like someone who legitimately has a suspicion and is watching that guy. I don't necessarily think your swap was pro-town (after all, you thought and think valenius is scum), but mainly I don't care as much about the swap as I do the progression of your thoughts on Valenius. They make it appear your read is made up.
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I don't have a lot of other thoughts, other than to try and watch Steveling if I'm dead, see if he continues to be very spammy in ways that interact with Geript/BH. If he is, he should be eliminated. If he doesn't, I think he's town.
Geript should do less of that crap too. If he doesn't, see above.
BH should be left alone until he actually plays mafia. He could be town, he COULD be some small 3P faction and is just trying to look wacky enough that town won't lynch him (bolstered by claim) and that scum won't shoot him (not REALLY a threat, and a possible mislynch mebbe). Might make a good rolecop check if we have someone, because it's POSSIBLE he just has a sexy role and wants to survive and thinks this is the way to do it. Mainly though I just think we should all shun him and ignore everything he posts and see what happens, because interacting with him and talking about him don't really seem to be taking the thread anywhere.
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On May 24 2014 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:
(snip)
Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game.
(snip) On May 24 2014 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing.
you're not addressing his case/premise he's suggesting that valenius is not actually a real scum read That also makes zero sense though. Why would I fake a scum-read in-thread as a faction hunting another faction? That makes all sorts of little sense, because I'd be wasting time doing something incredibly dangerous for no more town credit than building an actual case. Things that townies do:
Hunt scum
Be dumb
Spam
Claim dumb stuff
Shoot other townies with KP
Rest of a giant list
Things that townies just DO NOT DO:
Fabricate reads without having some kind of short/medium-term trap plan.
I would agree that scum can scumhunt this game and doesn't HAVE to be falsifying reads. That doesn't change the fact that if a read LOOKS falsified or IS falsified, then it is INCREDIBLY LIKELY to have come from mafia. Town DO NOT make up reads without a trap purpose, and you've exhibited no trap purpose at all. Whether it's the best mafia play ever is irrelevant, because it's NOT town play.
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Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp?
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It's not "The Swap."
It's the whole entire THING. He's mafia, you put him aside but he's still mafia, then he MIGHT be explained by the small --> large game jump (even though he's scummy this game AND doesn't match his newbie play). You pick him back up after dropping mtam, but only after OnceKing points him out.
(OH YEAH HEY THREAD I LIKED ONCEKING'S STUFF BEFORE LYNCH AND IT FELT LIKE HE WAS FINALLY GETTING ACTIVE AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD LYNCH AND SOLVE THE GAME AND I ALSO THINK HE'S PRETTY DARN TOWN)
But then he's dropped for OOP, despite being a scumread of yours all day and continuing to be a scumread. And when you go to look at votes and whatnot, you talk about kita/MZ/marv and slam and yellow but NOT valenius. In all honesty, the fact that Valenius just seems to slip your mind, despite being a big scumread, and despite doing basically what slam did, is the thing that MOST pushes in favor of this being all made up.
It's not the vote. It's more. And it's mainly, for me, the post-lynch response.
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On May 24 2014 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp? So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today. The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup. Yeah, that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. No push.
Putting aside that we don't know the actual setup, how do you think multi-faction changes his behavior?
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Yeah yeah, sorry. We're both trying to reply to everything. Heck, you can choose.
I'm interested in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Please. We can make this moniker catch on.
As far as defense, I'm mainly interested in post-lynch thoughts. Not the vote, not any of that, but mainly why he doesn't catch your eye like slam and co. do.
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Xat, do you put zero faith in the power of the toilet read?
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On May 24 2014 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Post lynch Valenius - didn't mention him, because my thoughts are ALWAYS on the votes first and foremost post-lynch. I almost always mulligan my reads after Day 1 and start fresh. Bad concrete actions by players (i.e. votes) ALWAYS take precedence over Day 1 meta cases on players that could be lynchbait.
How does the above mesh with the below? (I KNOW I'M KINDA SWAPPING SUBJECTS HERE BUT...BLECH)
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.
I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.
Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.
Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.
Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it. On May 24 2014 00:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Slam - if you're around, talk to me about the lynch yesterday. You seemed to be active the hours leading up to deadline, and you had your vote on Odin. Yet I can't find anywhere in your filter that you thought Odin was suspicious. The only mentions of Odin in your filter are towards the beginning (RNG lynch stuff).
Sticking with the RNG lynch all day (despite being quite active in thread) does not look very good. I can understand immediately looking for bad actions/votes, but you notice Yellow and Slam had sort of nothing-votes.
Ah crap. Here.Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Yellow stuck out to you early because he had other scum-reads in his filter but voted OOP for RNG
Valenius, one minute before voting OOP, says this about youOn May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote:Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Two things: @ HolyflareWhy are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius & + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius He then jumps over onto mtamburini after his/her bunnies post, which is later followed by: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Alright finished reading the thread, and my thoughts haven't changed too much. mtamburini's still my lynch of choice today. I've already made some thoughts on her larger quote-bomb post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=38#745http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=40#787...and foolishness has a post on her as well... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? She quote's ceph's giant case on Bunnies and basically blindly agrees with it. There's no indication in this post that she's actually read the damn thing - it's almost like she looks at the case, sees it's big, and just sheeps it. Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Of all the points against her, I think this is the most compelling.
Ritoky/ValeniusI've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. "I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates." - What?!? You were pushing me early on when nobody else except MZ really was, and you seem like you've just rediscovered that you think im scummy? You then seem to completely drop off me: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:09 layabout wrote:If marv convinces yall to lynch me, which i am rather tempted to just let happen you should flip this guy: On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout this is his first and only mention of me. it is unsubstantiated but follows the tone of the thread. a list takes a significant amount of time to produce compared to a sentence or two to explain your vote, he is putting in time but missing out the important bit for a towny. it looks very much like a mafia vote to get a wagon rolling he is giving momentum to a trail of thoughts without adding anything of substance to it whatsoever. I am dissapointed in you guys Be dissappointed in your own play. This is literally the first read of any substance you've made all game. Talk to me about some other people - mtamburini and ritoky are a good start. Surely if you think i'm scummy, you'd be mentioning me in that list? You then come back onto me when: + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DciHBnMnlo Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. OnceKing posts his 'observation' which ive already said i think is a ridiculously easy one to make. I even bolded my own town/null reads for ease of viewing. Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour. and one minute later votes OOPOn May 23 2014 04:10 Valenius wrote:
##Vote: OdinOfPergo but actually mentions you right before the lynch (btw, I read Valenius asking about his scumread and if anyone had read it right before the deadline to be pretty durn townie)On May 23 2014 04:50 Valenius wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on hapa? Not for today's lynch (obv), but going forwards?
Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>?
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gg dead town bros. gg also koshi, who apparently forced everyone into this game only to roll some faction and die N1.
On May 24 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
Hey Austin, I want you to explain two things to me:
1. Why would not-town Hapa respond to me the way he did and get pissy at me and how I was playing?
2. Why do you even think I could be not-town? Reasons that I don't buy - to get town points, to buddy you, whatever. Reasons I can actually buy - at some point, a shitty thread may be good for mafia, but even mafia has to not want to read super duper shitty threads. The you vs. BH vs. steveling stuff could be toned down about 5 levels and still make thread slightly less legible, so I don't see it as full negative to try and get people to tone things down.
His talk with you does read like he's legitimately concerned about what you're doing, not just getting town points.
As far as why I can think you could be not-town, it's because I don't find you to be a shit poster or anything, and you're just continuing to do stuff that you have to know is anti-town. I can't go having a pookie pie who rolls town and chooses to much with the thread.
On May 24 2014 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:Ge ge guys. Show nested quote +Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>? Read this, and tell me exactly why my case on Yell0w is not bad/damning: Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. ...because I think it's very strong, and much stronger than my case on Valenius. Someone voting RNG over their articulated scumreads is the most eye-catching things I can think of in a mafia game. As for Valenius - again, I think he is scum, but I have less concrete evidence to believe so. And hell, someone being suspicious of me is not a scumtell. Why on earth would that factor into my decisionmaking when reading him? Sure I'm suspicious of him for his lack of content elsewhere, but just for the case? No way. I'll look at yellow. Mostly ignored that filter.
HF, interested in whether you were serious.
ALSO DISLIKE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE LACK OF MTAM SHOT, WONDER WTF IS UP WITH THAT, AND MTAM'S COMMENT POST-DAYPOST IS On May 24 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote:
Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted?
THAT'S NOT "WHO SAVED ME" OR "HF MAFIA LIED ABOUT SHOOTING" OR ANY KIND OF "WHAT JUST HAPPENED."
That's someone knowing what happened, knowing they'd be saved or whatever. Booooooooooo.
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Steveling, why are hapa / mtam not in the discussion? As far as BH/MZ, if Isaac IS a main character of this thing, then it's LIKELY that's his role. Is Isaac a burn-y dude? There's the possibility that he knows it's not in the game b/c it's a fakeclaim his team got or something, but those are really the only two options. Otherwise you'd never claim something that could be easily counterclaimed, especially when you've had a wacky day so you're PROBABLY gonna get lynched before the counterclaimer.
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On May 24 2014 05:22 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:14 austinmcc wrote:gg dead town bros. gg also koshi, who apparently forced everyone into this game only to roll some faction and die N1. On May 24 2014 05:01 geript wrote:
Hey Austin, I want you to explain two things to me:
1. Why would not-town Hapa respond to me the way he did and get pissy at me and how I was playing?
2. Why do you even think I could be not-town? Reasons that I don't buy - to get town points, to buddy you, whatever. Reasons I can actually buy - at some point, a shitty thread may be good for mafia, but even mafia has to not want to read super duper shitty threads. The you vs. BH vs. steveling stuff could be toned down about 5 levels and still make thread slightly less legible, so I don't see it as full negative to try and get people to tone things down. His talk with you does read like he's legitimately concerned about what you're doing, not just getting town points. As far as why I can think you could be not-town, it's because I don't find you to be a shit poster or anything, and you're just continuing to do stuff that you have to know is anti-town. I can't go having a pookie pie who rolls town and chooses to much with the thread. On May 24 2014 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:Ge ge guys. Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>? Read this, and tell me exactly why my case on Yell0w is not bad/damning: Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. ...because I think it's very strong, and much stronger than my case on Valenius. Someone voting RNG over their articulated scumreads is the most eye-catching things I can think of in a mafia game. As for Valenius - again, I think he is scum, but I have less concrete evidence to believe so. And hell, someone being suspicious of me is not a scumtell. Why on earth would that factor into my decisionmaking when reading him? Sure I'm suspicious of him for his lack of content elsewhere, but just for the case? No way. I'll look at yellow. Mostly ignored that filter. HF, interested in whether you were serious. ALSO DISLIKE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE LACK OF MTAM SHOT, WONDER WTF IS UP WITH THAT, AND MTAM'S COMMENT POST-DAYPOST IS On May 24 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote:
Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted? THAT'S NOT "WHO SAVED ME" OR "HF MAFIA LIED ABOUT SHOOTING" OR ANY KIND OF "WHAT JUST HAPPENED."That's someone knowing what happened, knowing they'd be saved or whatever. Booooooooooo. I dont get it why would I be saved? I was the scummiest person yesterday Is there a kappa after this post or no?
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Steve why would hapa and mtam not be in the discussion today or topics of discussion?
Also, do you make anything about mtam's return? You're in the position to know exactly how YOU think if someone goes "I'm going to shoot this guy overnight." mtam was super duper duper targeted by HF, who appeared more serious than other threateners.
If you thought you were really going to be shot, how do you act that night, and how do you act upon seeing yourself not shot?
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inb4 the daypost for D3 has someone getting steved to death
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