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On May 22 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 09:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 22 2014 09:19 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent. On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now. Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game  You've made me so sad so far Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post! I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post? Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else? People I think could definitely be red: Layabout Val People I don't have good feelings about: Slam Bunnies One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
HapaLook at these people wave, that should give you something at least. can you explain this crazy unexplained thing? Simple, ya'll have been pretty aggressively shitting up the thread (or at least it seems that way to me) and I figure one of you is probably scum. Time will sort it out so I'm not going lynch hunting in that clusterfuck right now. are you actually being serious?
I actually don't mind it.
Y u so scum holy
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On May 22 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think many scum people have high pages of filter of active participation so i'm wondering why that's a legitimate heuristic for mz to have
BH is one, but that's been mentioned before.
I am another.
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Welp my confidence is up from recent game so mebbe I try to put in a little more effort now.
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On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
or wave idk
It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town.
Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it).
This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe.
Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes.
Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most.
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On May 22 2014 12:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
or wave idk It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most. BH joined the scum team on N1. Like your read on BH is honestly mind blowing. Not in the good way.
I don't see how this disproves anything I wrote about.
And what HF?
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Also PS Geript you don't get to talk to me about bad reads when essentially everything you said in Ver's game was wrong.
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On May 22 2014 13:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
or wave idk It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most. I gotta be honest, the way you describe BH's scum behavior is exactly the way he's acting this game. It's not like you to miss something like that. Goddammit wave
MZ compare this to Carnival Cruise. I caught BH in Ver's game and it's night and day. This game is more like Thug Life.
The claim and the fact that BH is often hyper-aware of his own meta muddles things a bit but I do not for a second believe what I said is wrong.
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On May 22 2014 13:06 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also PS Geript you don't get to talk to me about bad reads when essentially everything you said in Ver's game was wrong.
I got the NK right. I got Slam right. I really don't care about that game. I had a shitty role.
Oh so should I just stop caring about every game because I roll VT every goddamn time? (I realize that's slightly ironic since I've basically said so myself in this very game lolol)
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On May 22 2014 13:22 geript wrote:
So does no one want to dispute my meta of Scumeling? Otherwise I will just know I'm right and keep hammering said point home.
You don't appear to learn your lesson about playstyle.
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On May 22 2014 15:13 mattisfoolish wrote:
Mattchew would like everyone to know that Kush is mafia and we should be lynching his ass.
lol not even close.
Even the mighty thrawn, Reader of Kush disagrees.
Jeez never thought I'd defend kush in a game. What have I become?
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On May 22 2014 15:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 15:01 geript wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. If by all the time, you mean his one game as town... On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I have. I pointed out that he's gotten in shit fights as scum before. As a matter of fact, as town, he got in far less shitfights AND his posting was far more full of actual content. On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. He was pretty whorish too. Plus for getting in as many fights as he's had, in all of those, he's been the calm one in them. He's the one who cares about whether or not he gets in trouble for it. On May 22 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:20 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. Then check my filter for the big, red-titled post on why I thought he was scum. But that's the thing - those types of posts you point out "after the spam" really aren't present in Cell Mafia. He just seems as a whole so much more hyper and emotional in this game. Anyway, talk to me about some other people. Layabout, tambo, ritoky, etc. I agree that his play on face value looks different from Cell. But it also looks exceptionally different from Glory Hole. The trends in his play are far more reflective is his Cell game than his Gloryhole game. Like I really don't get how you could meta a player so awfully. Mine explaining why you've protected Scumeling so many times on bad meta? I really don't know how to say it any better than I have: the guy has a fucking 10 page filter in 24 hours. If you think mafia can do that, you're insane. But then again, I really don't feel like arguing any more since... a) There's no way I'm going to convince someone confirmation biased enough to call the guy "scumelling" over and overa gain. b) Steveling isn't getting lynched. My target of choice is. c) The "oats-whisperer" does not get to lecture me on how to interpret meta cases.
You're probably right but to think it's impossible for mafia to do that is silly.
NIGHT LADIES
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On May 22 2014 16:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 15:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 22 2014 15:53 Steveling wrote:
Alright then.
But then what should I do if someone is talking shit? Let them. Who gives a fuck it's online mafia. If they're making rational arguments and you're town then you should be able to refute them, if you're scum well good luck, sometimes you argue your way out sometimes you don't. But if the person coming after you sounds like a madman then nobody will listen and everyone will probably think that person is scummy. But if you think the person is a madman and everyone else is agreeing with them I'll give you a hint, it's probably not them it's you. Alright, thanks for the advice. Why can't more veterans be like you or palmar?
PALMAR?
LOL
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/resurface
*looks around
/submerge
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But srsly I have a very long day today and will not lie,ly be around for deadline
Will try to toss in a ninja sheep vote at some point. Probably will sheep koshi and marv even though I don't necessarily agree with everything though they are coming around on ritoky mabes? Maybe sheep hapa too. Don't feel as good about him as usually but no way can scum hapa post the way he has been.
MZ sorry I didn't stick around you can ask me your questions another time
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On May 27 2014 05:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
The recruiter being replaced is a one time ability that also took away a powerrole of the djinn.
Town win would have been difficult, I know that, which was also the reason why I stacked it with vets. Also as mentioned above I was counting on the scumteams disrupting and shooting each other. Maybe too much, but without trying to run the setup I would not know how it plays out, since there are too many possibilities
For PYP. LoL I ran best and worst case scenarios (with 60+ possible roles!) and we tried a practice game as well which sort of gave us an idea where things could go. With a game like this that's extremely swingy and where balance is very difficult I think it's kind of important to at least have some idea IMO.
It really sucks to have all that sword go down the drain dude, my sympathies. I hope people enjoyed it at least.
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On May 27 2014 05:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
Judging from your opinions, maybe it is for the best that this game ends in a trainwreck,
I do know that the setup was scumfavored. But also considering the speed of the actual recruitments as they happened I thought it would be fine. Also stacking town like mad with vets did not help that much I guess. Maybe more immune blues? I just really wanted to try out the idea of having 4 recruiting factions trying to outsmart each other and hunting each other.
Anyway, Lessons learned:
Do not try to host another themed large game, I have funny and crazy ideas which just end in imba imba imba.
Recruitment roles are a pain in the ass to balance and I should probably stay away from them as far as possible
I do hope the game was still enjoyable to most of you.
Who did you talk to on the balance team about this game? I think recruitment was one of those things I was told to avoid, though since your entire game revolved around it I guess that wasn't really an option. Don't give up hosting just because of this dude. Your ideas definitely have potential. We need to have giant crazy ass themed games to be an option somehow, right? (and I'm sure as he'll not hosting another lol. and neither is GM
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On May 27 2014 06:07 layabout wrote:
I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now?
For the most part big games don't exist anymore I think. This one was never going to start without Koshi and his mass recruitment.
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On May 27 2014 06:15 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 27 2014 06:07 layabout wrote:
I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now? For the most part big games don't exist anymore I think. This one was never going to start without Koshi and his mass recruitment. Pretty much this. Both ShiaoPi and I had large themed games, this game and Infernal Affairs respectively, that just didn't start. It was around that time that Fool pretty much killed large themed games because no one played in them. Until this game, Catastrophe Mafia was going to be the last large themed game for a while, though I am glad that this game got revived even though it ended like this T_T.
How did foolishness kill them? I thought it was just that people didn't like them much anymore overall.
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MZ (or somebody?) needs to host that game from the obs QT. Would play that in a second and I imagine after this game many others would too.
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On May 27 2014 07:12 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 27 2014 06:15 Crossfire99 wrote:On May 27 2014 06:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 27 2014 06:07 layabout wrote:
I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now? For the most part big games don't exist anymore I think. This one was never going to start without Koshi and his mass recruitment. Pretty much this. Both ShiaoPi and I had large themed games, this game and Infernal Affairs respectively, that just didn't start. It was around that time that Fool pretty much killed large themed games because no one played in them. Until this game, Catastrophe Mafia was going to be the last large themed game for a while, though I am glad that this game got revived even though it ended like this T_T. How did foolishness kill them? I thought it was just that people didn't like them much anymore overall. Yeah, that's poorly worded by me. I meant it more like that was the final nail in the coffin. Now that Foolish has acknowledged that no one wants to play them, the large themed queue is effectively dead.
I dunno I think there's a point to see if an idea can generate hype or interest BEFORE making the setup now, ie catastrophe.
So for example if ver's setup (responsibility) generates interest it could work.
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