On May 21 2014 12:02 Holyflare wrote:
i'm all ready for a yellow train though
i'm all ready for a yellow train though
AGREED
##Vote: Yellow
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On May 21 2014 12:02 Holyflare wrote: i'm all ready for a yellow train though AGREED ##Vote: Yellow | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia. However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town. I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies. You disagree and think shes mafia? Why do you think that or was this a typo? What do you think of yellow | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 11:05 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote: cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer. Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today. I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game. Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now. If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today. I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion. Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes? BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter. Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird. Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck. It looked like I was reading your notes that you were taking so it was boring tbh and didn't help me get a read on you. Steve I think is town he acts like an emotional crazy person as town (his main beef with HF is from a previous game we were all in) BKQ is the start of whoever made 1 post and his name BKQandabunchofrandomletters. Velanius was someone else but I've tabled him for now. The scum in this thread is Yellow @Sqrt Look at what Yellow has said since then. Hes super on board with the random lynch and gives up on his idea. He throws dirt on Steve when someone comes in and tells him to stop shitting up the thread (I think steve is town so no on that) + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote: On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote: Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case? The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it. @yellow I voted you because of the above and other minor interjections where you're saying "wow that looks scummy of you" basically nudging a wagon into happening instead of actually pressuring someone with voting and a case sounds more like you're pointing people to be like "hey look boys X did something scummy what do we do?" like a not get your hands dirty type of play. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:16 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 12:02 Tehpoofter wrote: @Ceph the questions you asked bunnies Can you detail how you would think she would answer them as town? Reading your case to me it seems like you asked the line of questions with the intent of calling her mafia at the end or at least they are questions that confirm a notion that she is scum vs going into it with a null read. I think you case is confirmation bias and I don't think bunnies is scum here. If she was mafia she would be WAY WAY WAY more careful with how much she talks/posts she wouldn't interject/interact with lots of people and your line of questions in court would be akin to "leading the witness" What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/Yellow? Yeah, I can provide analysis on that in a moment. The line of questions was not done with the initial thought of calling her mafia, but with one to affirm if my suspicions on her were correct. Which is exactly the reason they are put the way they are. I also tell you my expectation for each answer if she was mafia, and turns out she replies pretty much the way I expected her to. What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:26 mtamburini wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote: On May 21 2014 11:31 Hapahauli wrote: On May 21 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote: On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote: On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote: Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game? I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you. Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you. What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town. well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy. It's also batshit retarded. Who do you actually think is mafia? yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards He does deserve much more pressure youll get a better read of him, but he did do this shit last game and I tunneled on him hard to find him towny in 2 days Tambo pop a Clariton or Benedryll then go read Yellow's post and tell me what you think. | ||
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Austin: You had the ABBA like read on Oats last game I'm getting a tingly sensation about Yellow can you comment on that? | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:27 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 21 2014 12:17 Hapahauli wrote: On May 21 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote: should be obvious/will be obvious Hint: It's never obvious (or I suppose 'too obvious' which is why you always win as scum) How could you ever go about proving you are town? Ever? Even in games as scum you play supertown and lynch your scumbuddies and win. There is nothing you can do to alleviate my fears which is why you die today. You will be the sacrifice this town needs to proceed. We're not lynching Holyflare today. You will not have much success in mafia lynching people with a 4 page filter ~6 hours into the game. Talk about some of the other good candidates up on the block. There are those who will try to sway me from my mission. There are those who lead the true believers astray from the path. But srsly Hapa you think filter is in any way indicative of HF's town v scumplay? I ruv u and all, but have you seen this guy play? He is a liability waayyyyy more often than he is an asset to town and he can and will singlehandedly win games for his team. It is not a chance I want to take, so unless you can find some conclusive reason as to why we should not be lynching HF today then don't bother. You're letting your paranoia run wild. Relax and talk about realistic and useful things. No one's going to listen to you if your justification for lynching Holyflare is because you worship his scumplay. Besides if he wants to bus his whole team thats fine let him at it! Makes things easier for us | ||
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Town Hero: Tehpoofter Townies: Hapa, BlueyD, HF, Steve, Bunnies, Geript Scum: Yellow, BKQ, Valenius, layabout People Geript Should shoot: Slam People Geript Shouldn't shoot: MarvelloCity 3rd Parties: Crazy MAn who wins by screaming and passing out the most fliers to his RNG party: Blazinghand Lazy People that need to do more: Marv, Koshi + Show Spoiler + Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:46 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote: Hf, do YOU think the 180 actually matters? And is there any pro-scum reason? in the context of the thread it's following the flow of the game and merging with what people are talking about so yes, it's entirely plausible that someone new would do that He also was around reading the thread chiming up then me and HF pushed on him and he asked for why I voted and gave reasons on him and he hasn't responded. I think his later posts are far more damning than his earlier stuff with the RNG I think the nudging of wagons to start vs starting them yourself or building a case is more mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:50 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm on the 'ninjabunnies is town' side of whatever argument's going on right now Where are you on Yellow? Where are you on Slam/Geript? | ||
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#Foolishness: Read: Xatalos | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:53 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not anywhere on yellow. slam could be mafia and geript could be town No where as in hes null or no where as in you haven't read him? What about me and HF for accusing him how does our push look like? from townie or mafia or w.e. side? | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:47 Hapahauli wrote: Honestly ceph, I read that and my eyes just glaze over. Normally I find your analysis quite good, but this just seems like an absurdly technical case that makes a few too many assumptions about certain posts. For example, I can't figure out how her posts some how assume that you're town. I've read that conversation repeatedly, and it just seems like you're reading into it waaaaay too much. Hes tunneling something which I respect but if he can't wake up and give reads on someone else he's not going to be very useful. @Ceph I think your case is full of bias can you read some other people in the game for a couple hours then come back later and reread bunnies and see if you're still in the same spot I think a fresh set of eyes would help. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:55 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 12:23 Tehpoofter wrote: What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post Alright, so again. The questions weren't aimed to directly affirm her as mafia or town, but her thought process. The first question was about if she thinks ahead or not. Whether she does or not doesn't make her mafia or town. The second question was to see her thought process if she thought ahead (because the first question made me assured she doesn't, not too far at least.). Her reply: Show nested quote + If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? The main point here is the interaction between the first and last statement. It can easily be seen that she thinks that I consider her mafia, which is correct. Now, you're in a situation where a player is voting on you, asking you questions, since they think you are mafia. 1) Why would you at this point be fairly certain about that player being town, and not point out the possibility of him being scum? 2) Why is your first thought to find the reasons why you are suspected? If I am scum in that situation, my first thought (if I don't know already) is the reason why I'm being suspected. Even if I salvage the situation, if I'm dumb enough to make the mistake again, I will get #rekt. Which is why Step 1) Identify the reason you are being suspected Step 2) Prove why that reason is invalid Step 3) Ascertain your position by providing pro-town (or pro-town looking) content Step 4) Mislynch townies If I'm town and I'm being called scum, I instantly know it's because: 1) Someone is making conclusions that might be logical, but still untrue 2) Scum is pushing me for mislynch, or just trying to discredit my thread presence. Her thoughts are much more aligned with the way a scum thinks in this situation (in my opinion). The third question is to affirm that she isn't of the downplaying kind = she doesn't intentionally hide information to make herself look a worse player than what she is. Rather the opposite, she talks about how confident she is in her mafia-playing abilities. This makes me not believe her claims of having really thought ahead (which again is irrelevant, her response on the other hand is relevant.). These factors combined with the rest of her play like I pointed out, make me feel strongly certain about her being mafia rather than town. If you feel like I didn't elaborate on a point enough, do say and I'll explain further. I routinely read people as town when I'm town for thinking I did something scummy and noticing it. Especially if its something I think I do as scum more than town. This game for example in Mtamb's notes that he decided to post and break my mouse wheel he pointed out that I make jokes and am more trolly and was reading me more mafia from it (a tell he has on me in Video mafia) He clearly is trying to make a correlation between someone he knows and how they play and how they might play this game. This to me makes me think Tambo is coming from a town mindset. So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum. | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:07 geript wrote: Hey Banks... Why are you reading BlueyD as town? He had a really scummy post I saw in skimming while working. I just don't see the towniness (granted no filtering). His first post was what I was thinking at the time. He was suspicious of BKQ I was the only one really talking about it (still am probably but he has one post so I understand) He also has the same feeling's on Ceph's case as me. Someone who is reading people similar to me @ the time I'm reading them they get read as town by me. You should read his filter its all about things going on and who he thinks is scum adn the current thread topics. I'd love to see more but its not a long filter so he gets town from me | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:12 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 13:00 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 21 2014 12:55 Cephiro wrote: On May 21 2014 12:23 Tehpoofter wrote: What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post Alright, so again. The questions weren't aimed to directly affirm her as mafia or town, but her thought process. The first question was about if she thinks ahead or not. Whether she does or not doesn't make her mafia or town. The second question was to see her thought process if she thought ahead (because the first question made me assured she doesn't, not too far at least.). Her reply: If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? The main point here is the interaction between the first and last statement. It can easily be seen that she thinks that I consider her mafia, which is correct. Now, you're in a situation where a player is voting on you, asking you questions, since they think you are mafia. 1) Why would you at this point be fairly certain about that player being town, and not point out the possibility of him being scum? 2) Why is your first thought to find the reasons why you are suspected? If I am scum in that situation, my first thought (if I don't know already) is the reason why I'm being suspected. Even if I salvage the situation, if I'm dumb enough to make the mistake again, I will get #rekt. Which is why Step 1) Identify the reason you are being suspected Step 2) Prove why that reason is invalid Step 3) Ascertain your position by providing pro-town (or pro-town looking) content Step 4) Mislynch townies If I'm town and I'm being called scum, I instantly know it's because: 1) Someone is making conclusions that might be logical, but still untrue 2) Scum is pushing me for mislynch, or just trying to discredit my thread presence. Her thoughts are much more aligned with the way a scum thinks in this situation (in my opinion). The third question is to affirm that she isn't of the downplaying kind = she doesn't intentionally hide information to make herself look a worse player than what she is. Rather the opposite, she talks about how confident she is in her mafia-playing abilities. This makes me not believe her claims of having really thought ahead (which again is irrelevant, her response on the other hand is relevant.). These factors combined with the rest of her play like I pointed out, make me feel strongly certain about her being mafia rather than town. If you feel like I didn't elaborate on a point enough, do say and I'll explain further. I routinely read people as town when I'm town for thinking I did something scummy and noticing it. Especially if its something I think I do as scum more than town. This game for example in Mtamb's notes that he decided to post and break my mouse wheel he pointed out that I make jokes and am more trolly and was reading me more mafia from it (a tell he has on me in Video mafia) He clearly is trying to make a correlation between someone he knows and how they play and how they might play this game. This to me makes me think Tambo is coming from a town mindset. So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum. I don't think Tambo pushing that line of reasoning is in any way alignment indicative for him. I actually find it pretty odd that you push that. I will say that Banks is right in that her not finding her accuser automatically scummy doesn't mean she's scum. I've seen her not push on her accuser on video at least 3-4 times and that's just counting from D1. I wanted an example from this game and that part was something not anyone really has called me scummy this game so I had to go with what I had to work with I agree though on Ceph. What do you think this push says of Ceph's alignment? | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:55 Steveling wrote: I kinda want to trust her. Mby because she's the only girl in teh game and I'll feel bad if we lynch her, lol. Mtamburini is a girl as well. | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. --- Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 07:04 Yell0w wrote: On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote: If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise. Don’t see a better option at the moment, so... ## Vote Yellow @Geript ^^^This is why BlueyD is town same as Hapa skips the bullshit and tries to hunt scum. I want to hear from SQRT again about Yellow he read him early and hadn't revisited it earlier. | ||
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On May 21 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote: What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character? I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR? cephiros tl:dr bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile. | ||
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May 21 2014 05:14 GMT
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On May 21 2014 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2014 14:04 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 21 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote: On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote: What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character? I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR? cephiros tl:dr bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile. Calm your tits, hun. It's been 8 hours. Its just interesting to me. Maybe because typical town leaders aren't doing their thing. And I know its only been 8 hours only 40 more to go!!! Also I very rarely get into a thread this early Who should I read after I finish making a ghetto vote count? | ||
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