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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:37 GMT
#2461
I actually liked the bathroom break fake-analysis and don't want to lynch val

Also, I like these posts:
On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2
On May 21 2014 07:56 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:54 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???

I don't see how my wording implies I thought all or most of the factions to be scum factions. My orginal assumption was that there would be only one scum faction, since that is how it usually is.


At the risk of being shouted at for setup talk, I'd be a bit disappointed if it was one scum faction. Cross-shooting (see BH's post) would be funnier.
(sort of acknowledgement that something he's doing might be scummy, doing it anyway for no reason but to add a little comment)
Fe fi fo fum.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 22 2014 18:38 GMT
#2462
On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l


How did you know I was playing LoL
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:38 GMT
#2463
On May 23 2014 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote:
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.


I really do think Odin is scum. Even his meta which Koshi thought exonerrated him, was actually very different from his town games. If you move to Odin, he becomes the lynch candidate. This is your chance, dude/lady.
BH I have a vote.

It could be yours, for the low, low price of telling me on a scale of 1-10 how much you truthfully think you can meta Odin
Fe fi fo fum.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 18:39:37
May 22 2014 18:38 GMT
#2464
VOTE COUNT:


mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp
Valenius (4): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1
geript (1): Holyflare, Steveling
Koshi (0): Valenius
Steveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geript
Alakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4sta
Hapahauli (0): kushm4sta
Yell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyD
Xatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4sta
jampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos
27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro
sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27
bkqyrldp (0): marvellosity
OdinOfPergo (8): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity
Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1
WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldp
Blazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript
thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunnies
marvellosity (0): kushm4sta
layabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky
ritoky (1): austinmcc, layabout
BlueyD (0): kitaman27

Not voting (5): mtamburini, MysterMeat1, Valenius, austinmcc, OdinofPergo

Currently mtamburini is set to be lynched with 8 votes (hit them first). Deadline is in .

Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread.

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
May 22 2014 18:40 GMT
#2465
On May 23 2014 03:38 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote:
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.


I really do think Odin is scum. Even his meta which Koshi thought exonerrated him, was actually very different from his town games. If you move to Odin, he becomes the lynch candidate. This is your chance, dude/lady.
BH I have a vote.

It could be yours, for the low, low price of telling me on a scale of 1-10 how much you truthfully think you can meta Odin


Honestly the meta stuff is just me telling Koshi he's wrong about Odin meta. The meat of the case has nothing to do with meta, even though meat is an anagram for meta. I know enough meta to say you can't say this is Odin's town meta. in that sense it's a 10.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
May 22 2014 18:41 GMT
#2466
Don't vote Odin for meta reasons; this isn't a meta case, and honestly the case is highly convincing without meta. I believe I have demonstrated 10/10 to don't NOT vote Odin for meta reasons though
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:41 GMT
#2467
I didn't actually expect an honest answer. Something wrong?
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
May 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#2468
Actually, Since hapa is on Odin things are looking pretty awesome
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
May 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#2469
what are the last 20 pages about
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#2470
Oh no. Don't get me wrong. I had no clue how to read him last game, have 0 desire to or trust in any ability to put a meta to him. Just wanted to see whether you were overzealously pursuing this. If you told me you actually had meta I'd be worried.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#2471
mtam are you done with LoL?
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
May 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#2472
On May 23 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
what are the last 20 pages about


odin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=120#2398
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#2473
On May 23 2014 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Is the deadline an hour earlier than when the game started...?


Original OP was in January which means that we were in CET. Game starting in May means CEST now. So yes, but also kind of no :S
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
May 22 2014 18:44 GMT
#2474
On May 23 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
what are the last 20 pages about


Someone acting like a dick. Could've been anyone, mistakes were made.

Also the lynch changed. It's either mtam or Odin today.

Not relevant, you don't have to read it. Definitely gloss over it. Don't think about it. No sir.
Spectaticle
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 22 2014 18:45 GMT
#2475
On May 23 2014 03:28 OnceKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
also bunnies just brought up a gr8 point where once people started pulling off of tambo he's disappeared l0l


He honestly did.

Like a "Hey, no one's voting me now, I still have one day" type thing.

I think tambo is a procrastinator.

procrastinating scum or procrastinating town or procrastinating null?


Prcrastinating scum.

I still don't like tambo in this game.
I think he thinks he has one more day, and will be all like "hey, I have anther day to make them think im town. Let me post more now."
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 22 2014 18:45 GMT
#2476
I Vote:: tehpoofter

why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS

harharharhar
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2014 18:46 GMT
#2477
BH was pretty persuasive in YOSO on SnB right? Or was he less persuasive?
Anybody remembers?
I don't want to fall into this rng trap :/
I had a good night of sleep.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:46 GMT
#2478
On May 23 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote:
BH was pretty persuasive in YOSO on SnB right? Or was he less persuasive?
Anybody remembers?
I don't want to fall into this rng trap :/
I don't think you can match em up 1:1.
Fe fi fo fum.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 22 2014 18:47 GMT
#2479
On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:
I Vote:: tehpoofter

why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS

harharharhar


But he's prob town this game.

Or atleast he is definitely more town than you.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 22 2014 18:48 GMT
#2480
On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:
I Vote:: tehpoofter

why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS

harharharhar
##vote: mtamburni


Let's play a game!

I'm gonna give you a person. You're going tell me the towniest thing in their filter, the scummiest thing in your filter, and what you think their spirit animal is. You're also going to ignore that the previous sentence was grammatically incorrect and should have had "his/her" instead of their.


VALENIUS!

gogogo

You can do the same to me when you return.
Fe fi fo fum.
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