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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 22 2014 18:04 GMT
#2421
Gonna read through tambo and val's filters again.
Imaginary
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2014 18:05 GMT
#2422
Odin filter in You only shoot once. Meta differences?

to me Odin looks pretty the same.
I had a good night of sleep.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2014 18:05 GMT
#2423
On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care.


You say as a VT he wouldn't care, but remember the first thing he did when he got back was to vote me (and not follow it up! and then unvote me later after I goad him deliberately, angering most people, but not him for some reason... while waffling on others)...
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 18:05 GMT
#2424
I was actually talking about Valenius there, but yeah, the same applies to Odin too. Maybe even more so since there's some kind of pretense of scumhunting by Odin.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2014 18:07 GMT
#2425
On May 23 2014 03:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care.


You say as a VT he wouldn't care, but remember the first thing he did when he got back was to vote me (and not follow it up! and then unvote me later after I goad him deliberately, angering most people, but not him for some reason... while waffling on others)...

Odin did unvote Palmar in YOSO while he was 100% certain Palmar scumclaimed with the "blow me" reference.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 18:07 GMT
#2426
I think I've become one of the crazy people.

##Unvote
##Vote: OdinofPergo
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2014 18:08 GMT
#2427
The question is:
Isn't it the same here?
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 22 2014 18:08 GMT
#2428
On May 23 2014 02:54 bkqyrldp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 02:52 Koshi wrote:
What about you tell me who you are and I sheep you?

We are 2 people you would be glad to sheep. I thought we were pretty obvious already, but if not I prefer to keep it a secret to not ruin the fun. And also night is comming soon so there is also that =P

you're sandroba aren't you
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 18:08 GMT
#2429
Odin played similarly as town in that game? How does he play as scum then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 22 2014 18:09 GMT
#2430
On May 23 2014 03:01 bkqyrldp wrote:
How is that Marv wasn't worried about the lack of resistance to the lynch due to "influential" townies supporting the lynch and then after the fairly lackluster return by Tamburini instead of analyzing the posts himself, he decides to sheep Hapa's very brief thoughts on them (all Hapa said was that Tamburini seemed pretty direct and open)?

Apparently he doesn't even consider Tamburini misspeaking/lying worth commenting either, even when I directly asked him about it. He went from being seemingly confident to not caring enough to even form his own opinion.

This could be Marv just being very unconfident in his reads, but it looks very suspicious to me.

Laziness

if you're stupid enough to think that i'd be happy to appear that lazy as mafia, then you are stupid

circular argument ftw
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2014 18:09 GMT
#2431
On May 23 2014 03:05 Koshi wrote:
Odin filter in You only shoot once. Meta differences?

to me Odin looks pretty the same.


big differences. Take a look at this post from YOSO by Odin:

On April 26 2014 18:06 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 17:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 26 2014 16:34 OdinOfPergo wrote:
VE; Progression.

• Doesn't think Caller is scum.
• Thinks Caller is town.
• Thinks Palmar might be scum and try to force scum KP to OMGUS Caller.
• Doesn't want Palmar to yolo420noscope #rekt Caller with scum KP.
• VE thinks Caller is actually scum because of all this.


If Caller is scum;
He wasted his load on a town who's... posted... umm..
What... ever in this game?

If Palmar is scum;

He's done.... what.. to give you that read?

If VE is scum;
Disrupte the town.
Mislead ideas. (Because who can know if Caller's nuke is even real?! Might as well get chaos from it.)

I dun like any of this VE.

I don't think Caller is scum. And I don't /know/ if Palmar is scum /or/ town. Here's how I see things:

Caller (town my PoV) has mod-confirmed nuked Palmar. Palmar (alignment unknown) comes back to the thread and sees that he's been nuked. Palmar /could/ be scum right? We don't know. But know this: IF he's scum, then he's got a free pass to use his KP however he wishes right now if he has day KP free of scrutiny because he is GOING to die. He might, he might not. Day KP is typically NOT allowed to be used after a certain period in the day, so from MY perspective, voting for Palmar so he can't use Day KP presuming he has it until he proves through his posting that he's town is worth keeping him from using the KP so early on a strong player if he's scum.

I don't know what Caller's vote on me is about, but I wish he'd remove it.



I still don't understand.
Maby I'm bad.
What does it really have to do with squat though?

"But know this: IF he's scum, then he's got a free pass to use his KP however he wishes right now if he has day KP free of scrutiny because he is GOING to die."

But why? What you are saying involves these possibles.

a) Palmar is vanilla town. He dies to nuke.
b) Palmar is blue dayvig towner. He OMGUS Caller and kills him.
c) Palmar is scum. He OMGUS/ Spends scum kp killing Caller and dies himself unless his role (or other scum role for him) can dayvig Palmar.

Point in case is that either;
vanilla town Palmar dies to the nuke.
town dayvig Palmar kills Caller.
Scum Palmar/ teammates dayvig Caller.

None of these results give us any information.
How are you drawing conclusions from them?

Like I don't disagree that Caller's nuke at this point seems unwarrented.
I'm simply confused on how you are coming up with 'scum' for someone because of it.


This is Odin following up a post with a continued argument in direct response to someone, pushing his arguments. Sure, he votes then unvotes Palmar, but look at how his reads develop
On April 27 2014 09:49 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Koshi rest your mind.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 08:56 Palmar wrote:
Well since no one is killing caller

Blow me town

##Pardon prplhz

Reason, people want to kill him.

I thought I could pardon at the deadline to ruin the day but the nuke lands before that, so I guess I'm just pardoning whoever people want to lynch right now.


If this isn't a scum claim I don't know what is.
Palmar is basically saying "Firetruck all you town ppl"
Besides I think you've been in a few games where the 'blow me town' phrase came up as a scum claim a few times.
What gives Kosher?

I'm so comfortable with this that I hope Caller's nuke DOESN'T land(Like he claimed) just so we can lynch scum regardless.
I also get a nice town-read from it.
Which is nice because I was kind of at a loss at how to treat the scenario of Palmar not dying from the nuke.
Now I do.
SO thanks Palmar for being so scum.

Anyway. I just thought I'd chime in on this.
I need to actually do more than a breeze through of this thread but ye
For now while I re-read with some thought..

Koshi;
I want you to decide and base what your read is on this.
I've heard you flip flop between Palmar and Caller for a while now with little to go between.
SO decide.
Otherwise I'm going to be confused and might think your scum for floating reads with no reason.

P.S. (It might be a while before I'm free to post. Ask your questions though. I'll make it around to them.)



On April 27 2014 10:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
No I don't care about the pardon.
I have Prp as null/slight town.
I don't care if Foolish says he's scum. From his filter I don't think that.
I'm curious as to why Koshi goes from reading his filter
pretty much saying "This guy seems town"
to "welp Fool thinks he's scum so he's got to be scum."
Doesn't make sense to me.

Per Palmar.. Ye my read has little to do with it.
Palmar could be scum framing a townie for a... second mislynch? (Assuming Prp actually would of gone through)
Or setting up Wifom trying to frame Prp as town now.
I don't know which yet. I'll draw conclusions on it after I've thought about it more.

But Palmar saying "sod off town. I'm going to be disruptive as possible"
You think that play makes Palmar town?
Like seriously?


Look how he mentions other reads, but never stops pushing his target:

On April 27 2014 09:49 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Koshi rest your mind.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 08:56 Palmar wrote:
Well since no one is killing caller

Blow me town

##Pardon prplhz

Reason, people want to kill him.

I thought I could pardon at the deadline to ruin the day but the nuke lands before that, so I guess I'm just pardoning whoever people want to lynch right now.


If this isn't a scum claim I don't know what is.
Palmar is basically saying "Firetruck all you town ppl"
Besides I think you've been in a few games where the 'blow me town' phrase came up as a scum claim a few times.
What gives Kosher?

I'm so comfortable with this that I hope Caller's nuke DOESN'T land(Like he claimed) just so we can lynch scum regardless.
I also get a nice town-read from it.
Which is nice because I was kind of at a loss at how to treat the scenario of Palmar not dying from the nuke.
Now I do.
SO thanks Palmar for being so scum.

Anyway. I just thought I'd chime in on this.
I need to actually do more than a breeze through of this thread but ye
For now while I re-read with some thought..

Koshi;
I want you to decide and base what your read is on this.
I've heard you flip flop between Palmar and Caller for a while now with little to go between.
SO decide.
Otherwise I'm going to be confused and might think your scum for floating reads with no reason.

P.S. (It might be a while before I'm free to post. Ask your questions though. I'll make it around to them.)



And then he votes, as a culmination of a legitimate pushing effort:

On April 27 2014 17:48 OdinOfPergo wrote:
What the hell.
Seriously.

Why is no one lynching Palmar.
This dude claims scum,
and everyone ignore it.

I haven't checked out SnB but you know what.. I'm not going to until tomorrow.
Lynching scum to high on my list to worry about other things.

##Vote: Palmar

Even now Palmar you can't be asked to put any effort into this game.
Per your last post you;
Want to die so you can "yell at game" post game.

Didn't actually read Prp's case but decided he must be town. So thus pardon.... TO FIRETRUCK WITH TOWN. And he's WORRIED he didn't screw with town.

So what gives? There is this guy in our game... Who claims over and over again he's out to do whatever is possible to ruin the town.
And we aren't lynching him.


and he only unvotes when, in a majority game, a consolidation is NEEDED in order to prevent a no-lynch. Not because people didn't express interest 24 hours into a 48 hour day, but because in a majority game at the end of the day you MUST consolidate

On April 28 2014 11:39 OdinOfPergo wrote:
OK snap we need to consolidate.
I haven't been around so I'm going to
##Unvote
I still don't like anything Palmar has done.
But I have no hope of pushing this lynch and no one else seems to think..
well, bluntly put, doing anti town things makes you not town.
w/e. I'm not happy but there is tomorrow.

I'm also willing to donate post to people who are around to discuss topics.
I'm a bit behind but I will focus on catching up before the deadline.




Even later, he stays on Palmar

On April 28 2014 12:47 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Wtf no.
How is Palmar not been anti town?

Also thanks Austin.
Your previous comment led me to Oats filter and I had some quams with it before.
But reading it now with fresh eyes...

These are the big hiccups I ran into.

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Geript save me!!
Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner.
I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum


What Slam shot? I must of missed it earlier but apparently he is lying and didn't shoot Yam.
Then we should lynch him.
Yam was annoying. I thought there was a decent chance he was scum.
I don't blame Slam for his shot.
But wait I just read it was Ace who possibly shot Yam?
I'm much confused right now.


Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 09:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sandro is so bad at the game man wtf where did he get his reputation.
POSSIBLE SCUM SLAM?? REALLY SANDRO.


Moving to SnB

##unvote
##vote SnB


as per my SNB thoughts.. I didn't like his VE tunnel. It wasn't a tunnel in the sense that he focus him as scum..
He focused on explain how his ideas lined up.
Way to much.
Like I don't even think VE is scum and I think this guy is protecting so much that it makes me wonder.
But a few of his responses and even his post in general tbh give a townish vibe when people bring up arguement.
Like for example
People grab pitchforks and go for SnB
Odin: "Well ye I guess that makes sense"
People: "NO! He's super towns! Re-read his stuff you will see!"
Odin: "Well, I mean that looks bad but this looks ok..."
People: "He's totes scum"
Odin: "I'm so freaking confused."

My problem with the SnB lynch isn't that I think he could flip scum.
No there is that possibility.
I think that it's not a bad lynch.
I know this responce will make me look bad.
But I don't care.
The reason I don't want to lynch SnB is because I'm not sure on SnB's alignment.
He's posted plenty to point towards scum. He has posted enough that I second guess myself.






where's that follow up now? Where's that follow through, the development of reads, the conviction of his beliefs?

nowhere
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2014 18:10 GMT
#2432
On May 23 2014 03:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:05 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care.


You say as a VT he wouldn't care, but remember the first thing he did when he got back was to vote me (and not follow it up! and then unvote me later after I goad him deliberately, angering most people, but not him for some reason... while waffling on others)...

Odin did unvote Palmar in YOSO while he was 100% certain Palmar scumclaimed with the "blow me" reference.


the unvote is only part of it, though. in YOSO Odin was weighing in constantly and kept on pushing on Palmar. He kept the Palmar discussion alive even after that day. In any case, he had lots of follow up and clearly discernable, pushed, followed-through reads that he does NOT have this game.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 22 2014 18:11 GMT
#2433
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy.
I had a good night of sleep.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 22 2014 18:12 GMT
#2434
Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far.

Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all
He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different.

Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini
He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo.

I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo.
##Unvote
##Vote: Valenius
Imaginary
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 18:13 GMT
#2435
On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy.


It's crazy, I know :O
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
May 22 2014 18:14 GMT
#2436
On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy.


BH confirmed not crazy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 22 2014 18:14 GMT
#2437
On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy.

no, he's definitely crazy.

however, crazy people can be right also.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
May 22 2014 18:15 GMT
#2438
i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff
i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 22 2014 18:17 GMT
#2439
Is the deadline an hour earlier than when the game started...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
bkqyrldp
Profile Joined January 2014
49 Posts
May 22 2014 18:17 GMT
#2440
BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today.
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